A new VFD for the vintage lathe

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Rolingmetal

Rolingmetal

4 жыл бұрын

Replacing the 32 year old Allen Bradley VFD that has been running my old Lathe for a while, with a cheap little Chinese XYS-AT1 drive. Made possible by some donors with a fear of hearing loss :)
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@kymcopyriot9776
@kymcopyriot9776 4 жыл бұрын
What's left of my ears thanks you very sincerely! I run a very similar VFD on my old Hercus 260 lathe.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I printed out a Hercus lathe operating manual, It was very good but hasn't helped a lot :)
@andyZ3500s
@andyZ3500s 4 жыл бұрын
Just turned my computer on haven't even watched the video yet. Congratulations I know this has been on your want list for a while. Thanks to the people who made this possible.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
It might make my videos a bit better :)
@RockingJOffroad
@RockingJOffroad 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, when I saw the notification from KZfaq, I was telling my Wife “ Finally my ears will be happy “ !
@Blackcountrysteam
@Blackcountrysteam 4 жыл бұрын
Nice drive regarding factory setting it's always a good move to set your motor current on the VFD helps if you get a stall etc !
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed that might help the motor from burning out.
@hulmeag
@hulmeag 4 жыл бұрын
I have the same VFD on my Myford ML7. Works great
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
So far it has also worked good on my vintage Karger lathe. (the blue one)
@lito11111940
@lito11111940 4 жыл бұрын
You're a good guy Rolling. Thumbs up for this video !
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
That's probably open to discussion :)
@stemer1149
@stemer1149 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@ActiveAtom
@ActiveAtom 4 жыл бұрын
Nice upgrade, while we too agree with you about retaining the old now replaced Allen Bradley. We sure like your lathe babbitt or olite bronze bearings either one are good your machine looks nice to us in black it is a true elegant girl. Lance & Patrick.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
It has some worn tapered steel spindle journals with bronze bearings. But it's still usable bit.ly/2Z9kFUO
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't notice the resolution change, because I can't stream anything above 360p anyway.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I guess we both need an upgrade.
@lb9970
@lb9970 3 жыл бұрын
Does the relay output work? I've set P51 to 20 but the relay doesn't actuate. I'm trying to wire up a start/stop circuit
@pgs8597
@pgs8597 4 жыл бұрын
G’day RM, good to not hear your frequency drive, hope the new one performs well. No I didn’t notice the video quality change but then I watch this on my smartphone. Cheers Peter
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
most views these days seem to come form smart-phones. And you really need full hd for a screen the size of a post stamp.
@infoanorexic
@infoanorexic 4 жыл бұрын
You've thanked your donors. I thank your donors. Unseen things in the earth are probably thanking your donors... I usually cut the volume way back. But if I wasn't quick and the volume was up, it made me want to put my fist through the screen. I should make that sound into a ringtone. For the most annoying person in my 'phone book.'
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
But now the unwanted critters might back.
@shaunwhiteley3544
@shaunwhiteley3544 4 жыл бұрын
Mine was set at 60hz by default and my table saw would not work unless I held in the power button. Once I changed it by turning the dial on the front to 50hz for 🇬🇧. The table saw switch worked correctly.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Some older motors don't do so well with a VFD, especially when the insulation is a bit wonky.
@shaunwhiteley3544
@shaunwhiteley3544 4 жыл бұрын
I got the same one a few months back. Not had much use but but has been working fine. My wiring is as bad as yours 😀 and as noisy. Cheers
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I need to make that wiring a bit more permanent at some point. But we all know how that goes :)
@darrenfloen2693
@darrenfloen2693 4 жыл бұрын
hey man, love your videos
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Well thank you sir.
@MaturePatriot
@MaturePatriot 4 жыл бұрын
Is the knife behind the box in the opening a 'German Eye'? It looks like one I had. Glad you could get you a new VFD.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
It's probably a German made Herder knife.
@Abbinc83
@Abbinc83 Жыл бұрын
Any idea how to setup the perimeters ? Mine keeps getting an over current fault err 1
@RasheedBarnes
@RasheedBarnes 4 жыл бұрын
Video still looks good.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
It looked acceptable to me on a 24 inch full hd monitor.
@zombieprinting2670
@zombieprinting2670 4 жыл бұрын
What size motor are you driving with 1.5 Kw vfd? Do these drives only allow 1/2 the motor hp they are rated for? trying to match one up. Thanks bud :)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
0.75 Kw (1hp) works fine. But some sort of protection against over heating would probably be advisable. I just check the motor temperature with my hands. Usually at slow speeds when running a bigger drill. No problem so far.
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 4 жыл бұрын
I didn’t notice and resolution difference but you weren’t doing closeups of machine parts. Love the new sound! Do those vfd things have a motor inside them? Did you say one phase going in and three phases coming out?
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
No motor, just a box full with electrical bits. Most home used drives are 1 to 3ph but 3 to 3ph is also available
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. So all that noise comes out of the electrical bits in that box. :)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
The actual noise comes from the motor. It acts as a kinda speaker for the carrier frequency of the vfd. The old vfd basically has a slow working computer that is in a better to hear audio range of the human ear.
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 4 жыл бұрын
Very Interesting, Thanks for the explanation.
@atowning
@atowning 4 жыл бұрын
I'll miss the old Allan Bradley, was tunefull !
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I agree it had a certain EDM quality :) You given up on youtube?
@EverettsWorkshop
@EverettsWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, you're hilarious! You could have recorded an "Old VFD Trio" with you and a couple buddies running the frequencies up and down on all three machines . . . granted, might have sounded like a horror movie soundtrack . . .
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I bit like that Renault F1 engine they made play some anthem. That would be cool. But I'm not really musically inclined.
@walrus68000
@walrus68000 4 жыл бұрын
My ears thank you. ;)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this one will last a bit longer. I should probably not dig around inside :)
@johnstrange6799
@johnstrange6799 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. I like the wide shot at like two minutes in. It'd make a decent channel banner image.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Looked a bit dark after uploading. YT seems to make my videos darker. Not sure I might also be my computer. But playing it online, using a browser. It definitely looks darker the before the upload using a media player. It's driving me crazy!
@johnstrange6799
@johnstrange6799 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rolingmetal I like darker photos. More dramatic or something.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Lost of people like more contrast pictures but you loose a lot in details in the shadows.
@johnstrange6799
@johnstrange6799 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rolingmetal True.
@cluideman
@cluideman 3 жыл бұрын
If Slim Whitmans steel guitar hadn't worked in Mars attack that there Allen Bradley sure would have done the deed
@pearcemachineshop5200
@pearcemachineshop5200 4 жыл бұрын
Looks good I hope it’s lasts you along time, affiliated crap😁😁😁😁😁 I like that. Alan.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I should probably read a marketing book someday, I think I kinda suck as a salesman :)
@PeterPetrakis
@PeterPetrakis 4 жыл бұрын
The resolution looked fine
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
It looked acceptable to me on a 24" full HD monitor. But most people these days stare a a pocket calculator.
@crazyfeller5704
@crazyfeller5704 4 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, regarding vat and whatever other fees your country charges. How many euros does a unit like that cost? If you prefer not to disclose, I understand. I can get one here in the states, off EBay, 1.5 kw, free shipping for $54.78, which is about 50 euro. Again, more of a curiosity regarding any additional fees than the actual cost. I recently had to buy a few parts from amadeal in the UK. I don’t believe they charged me all the taxes they hit their own citizens with. Shipped to my home, it was just a few dollars more than the web price. Thanks for sharing(even the noise from the AB VFD)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
VAT (BTW) is 21% over here but you don't need to pay that if you package slips though customs :) Packages below 22 euro are exempt from import an VAT taxes. Up to about 100 euro you only pay some import taxes. Also over the shipping cost. Above 100 euro you get to pay import taxes and VAT. I believe I payed 60 euro including shipping. Might also have been dollars as I used paypal.
@Rustinox
@Rustinox 4 жыл бұрын
I already start to miss this electrocuted chicken sound.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
So you asking for some sort of "best of" video? That might make the EDM people happy :)
@bustednuckles2
@bustednuckles2 4 жыл бұрын
No more electronic fingernails on the chalkboard!!! SWEET!
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I can make you a compilation video. A best of....
@bustednuckles2
@bustednuckles2 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rolingmetal Donate that thing to the Hague. they can use it to torture terrorists with.
@MrArray1967
@MrArray1967 4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the video resolution my answer is no. I didn't notice it was a lower resolution. Regarding changing carrier frequency, I wouldn't do that. Raising the carrier frequency will raise the power losses due to hysteresis - and eddy current losses. Which implies heat dissipation will increase also.
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC
@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC 4 жыл бұрын
That's one thing to consider, but those losses are going to occur in the motor. If it's limited thermal design that's a primary weakness in the cheap VFDs, it might simply be inadvisable due to the fact that raising Fc is going to increase switching losses and also reduce timing margins. I don't know how much I trust the design margins and questionable semiconductors to prevent delayed turn-off and catastrophic shoot-through in the switch bridge -- particularly if the thermal design allows them to run excessively hot.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
By default it is set to 10 kHerz and thats probably pretty high already. I doubt it will get much quieter.
@brosselot1
@brosselot1 4 жыл бұрын
is that 110v signal phase or 240V
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
240 but it should work the same for 110.
@lacaver64
@lacaver64 4 жыл бұрын
yes that is very very better and you have more torc
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn't change the torque. But a vectoring drive might help a bit at slow speeds.
@benmarca2
@benmarca2 4 жыл бұрын
How is the VFD performing after 6 months?
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Zero complaints, and so far I have not been missing the lack of vector control.
@der_cumsportler1022
@der_cumsportler1022 3 жыл бұрын
Noise torture? I really like the sound of vfd especially vvvf
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 3 жыл бұрын
My old Allen Bradley sound rather loud on camera. listen and enjoy :) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mruIjZt0nLuWcXk.html
@davesalzer3220
@davesalzer3220 4 жыл бұрын
Dub in some local music over that screaming
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I though people these days were into EDM.
@walrus68000
@walrus68000 4 жыл бұрын
I have a cheap XSY-AT1 that looks very very similar. Easy to use but its running the motor very hot in a short time. I read its the carrier frequency but the chinglish instructions are no help and there's no online info. Hope you do better.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
My motor on the blue lathe got rather hot when drilling at a slow speed. Cooling fan doesn't do much at slow speed. But as long as I'm careful and respect the limitations it should be fine (for a while)
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 4 жыл бұрын
@@RolingmetalI've just bought a 2.2Kw one of these on Amazon for approx. A$90. it's to go with a Deckel D bit grinder package that I want to sell, and as the grinder is 3 phase it will be more saleable with a single phase option too. BTW, your motors will run hot if you run them slow and load them up, they don't like slow running because when the speed drops the amps consumed by the motor will rise to compensate for the slow speed. It's a bit like running a car slowly up hill in top gear and using the accelerator pressed hard down to keep the speed up. I use one of these drives on my small lathe and I run the lathe with a 1:3 reduction belt drive so that when I want a slow speed the motor is still turning over a bit fast. That also keeps some air blowing through the motor. Another solution is to attach a 120mm pancake fan to the motor end so you'll always have a good air supply blowing through the motor at all speeds.
@fredheilig
@fredheilig 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ep6qlNmJkp_ahqs.html Hier kan je zien hoe je deze frequentieregelaar ook kan gebruiken op enkelfase motoren.Let op het vermogen van de regelaar en of je de condensatoren laat zitten.
@HanstheTraffer
@HanstheTraffer 4 жыл бұрын
Yes I was just saying, "Even a halfwit like Rolingmetal can do it." hahahahaha (you deserved that for that horrible sound of your old lathe)
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
No problem, I can accept that :)
@HanstheTraffer
@HanstheTraffer 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rolingmetal I was making fun of you calling yourself a halfwit. I actually consider you to be very intellegent...I mean ...obviously.
@andrewgardner7104
@andrewgardner7104 4 жыл бұрын
Your eyes are better and now your ears will stop bleeding, happy days.
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Time to make some more videos
@metalworksmachineshop
@metalworksmachineshop 4 жыл бұрын
Im not donating shit , untill you take a hammer to all the A-B units...lol... Im sure you will bring them back from time to time , for your amusement ..kidding...
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but I probably need it again at some point :)
@markowen7164
@markowen7164 4 жыл бұрын
it looked the same definition to me. M
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
I don expect you would see the difference If you used a smart-phone screen
@markowen7164
@markowen7164 4 жыл бұрын
@@Rolingmetal it is a smart phone. M
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
glorifiedd pocket calculator!
@billcodey1430
@billcodey1430 4 жыл бұрын
11:12 Not cool!
@Rolingmetal
@Rolingmetal 4 жыл бұрын
Nope. And it's probably going to hurt :)
I bought the cheapest VFD on Ebay. Wire it, Program it, Test it.
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