Yeah, glad I saw this, its an idea that everyone wants!

@@ThunderStruck94660 And I'm willing to pay extra for it

This product is not the solution as the price is absurd. I change my laptops every 7 years. I can buy 3 laptops with similar spec for the price they currently charge. This means I would have to change nothing on the laptop for 21 years for it to be somewhat worth it money wise. Now if you look at the products from 20 years ago, they look nothing like today, this laptop would not be able to follow the technilogies. Finally, if that is the start price there is no way replacement part would come cheap and now that you are force to use their product it might even be worse.

@@TheRealLeccho Yeah, I just checked the price.....yawsa!

@@TheRealLecchoapples and oranges. You are talking about replacing a whole laptop every 7 years, whereas the point of framework is that you don’t need to. If in 7 years you find you need a performance boost you swap out the main board, if your port requirements have changed you can just replace them, etc. As he said, it’s about longevity of the product not frequently milking consumers for the cost of a whole new device.

Agreed

Yes!!

Fairphone already does that

I think a Framework and Google collaboration would go great together for developing a modular phone. They've got all the stuff in place for it to work out great if Framework acted as an active design consultant for a joint modular Pixel design. Google already started and they need a large manufacturer to get chips from.

​@@EconaelGamingthey're repairable, but sadly not upgradable. Still cool, though.

We forgot the keys!

true problem solver

LocksmithLawyer is a saint for helping people not buy junk locks 😅

How's that crazy? he just forgot the keys. I have the same problem all the time. Sometimes I also fail to remember if I own the place but that's Ok people usually help you with that

​@user-em1nn4nv7j LMAO

You’re so right. Corporate greed kills off all good intentions. Google is a great example

well they have Linus of LTT as investor... pretty sure they are in good hands (Linus did say he will divest if he thinks they are shitting things up, during one of the pre-investment WAN show episode)

​@@PrograErrorSo he will just divest when the time comes then and tell everyone about it. If they're really that big it won't matter much

​@@tvm73836To be more specific, I would say the boards of highly successful companies tend to be controlled by large financial institutions, which exist to extract as much value as possible and return it to their investors. At Google, Larry and Sergei became embroiled in scandal and stopped fighting off the parasites. Tech companies create long-term value that's bard to measure. This is not necessarily the fate of all public companies but requires a strong executive team to avoid.

​@@rothn2 it could be a goo or a bad situation. He'll divest if they go a course he doesn't like

Most of us that are very interested in this company, just have desktops. We love that we can get a good repairable laptop to possibly even game on but yah, I’m just glad the next gamer generation can start their journey with a very good laptop.

Don't feel too guilty, Framework themselves have said that they would rather you keep your current device as long as possible before buying one of theirs, since their whole thing is keeping e-waste down.

You should not have to feel guilty for not buying Framework hardware. You should feel guilty for buying Apple hardware, or HP hardware, or Microsoft hardware, or Samsung hardware, or any of the known closed-source hardware producers. They are the cause of soo many, soo many problems. Just for their profits.

​@@yniwazai9877I don't have £1699 to blow on a laptop that is slower than one for £800. Also, I can repair a Lenovo pretty easily lol.

would've bought it but it's not even available in my country

who

@@__systemctl__ they

​@@__systemctl__apple was gonna do it Fortunately they failed.

@@__systemctl__ You know Tesla's gonna try, if they haven't already.

@@scheimong Tesla's basically become the Apple of cars... (I don't mean that as a compliment.)

I've got my eye on some many cyber deck and diy steam deck builds!

License? Just make it open.

@@whatilearnttoday5295 Well, yes, my brain is still wired in the old way when talking about business. What we also need is for framework products to ramp up and get cheaper!

@@Splarkszter None of these types of businesses are truly open. You always need to join their "Association" or "Federation" or whatever they call it. You always need to agree to their terms and even pay them money.

If they play their cards right, it would not be surprising to see a Snapdragon Framework laptop in the near future with solid state cooling.

more like he's just technical...

I always have the feeling that people who use too much jargon or try too hard to appear smart usually aren't that bright. He's an engineer with an eye for business

​@@oblivion_2852it's the Feynman technique. It's like you explain it to someone and then ask them back what you explained and don't blame the other person for not understanding if they can't explain it back.

He's extremely articulate, obv v smart. Typical C-suite personality.

This guy has rolled really well, and not only has gotten high stats in intelligence, but wisdom and charisma as well. I hope his luck doesn't run out, that he is able to power through, and is agile enough to dodge any traps or pitfalls this industry holds. It's an absolutely magical product and I believe it would very positively contribute to the health of our ecosystems and the value of our technology space. May the experience of his previous successful endeavours forward into the future.

Which Linux distro are you running?

Are you using the Intel or AMD version?

Lenovo equivalent quality circa 2010, the trackpoints suck ass on the newer models.

@@mos6581com Sure, but any trackpoint is better than no trackpoint.

you could always just create your own framework compatible keyboard with track points/nub thing if you want. it's open source :p

@@mos6581com Any trackpoint is fine with me, and it works fine on my current, more recent, machine.

@@chimpo131 Well, no. Not gonna do that :)

He is definitely in the algo, for a few weeks now. The 'if you like x you may like y" algo, for i assume UndecidedWithMatt and TwoBitDaVinci since i only save search on my tv cookies, logged out...

Check out Fairphone series

YES PLEASE! And printers, even though I know they don’t want to have to do that one 😜.

1. Buy a pixel or some chinese flagship. 2. Flash a custom rom. 3. Enjoy your 60% functional phone.

@@jaydeep-p 80% usable

@@jaydeep-p but those likely have hardware backdoors, it just feels too weird trusting a Google phone to put a privacy OS on it.

I think the OS part might be a problem... MS literally has monopoly unless you can go Linux distros...

TBH there's many people who started something like this, but Framework is the first to be this successful. tho let's see if the gaming laptop will have a second gen, since according to Linus of LTT it's always the OCM/ OEM that's screwing this kind of projects since they really like to be control... (one of the OEM for motherboards/ laptops had a similar concept of modularity but them screwed the pooch and the project got canned...)

spoiler alert it is not.

You're definitely paying for the ability to replace any part you want. Every customer will have to decide for themselves if Framework is charging more than they should, and should take into account that this is a small company, making a more complex product. It won't be cheap for a while.

​@@benjaminoechsli1941Yeah, it's definitely going to take quite a while before economies of scale kick in. That's the paradox that they need a large install base to justify a lower price, but also people don't want to pay the early adoption tax.

It's way cheaper than buying a new laptop every few years so you could say it's a great investment.

Fair initial assumption tbh !

Yeah, a larger framework laptop with a real sturdy frame and more cooling space would be bonkers. I'm passively eyeing the 16 for now, but if there'd be a framework thick boy on the market in a year or two, I'll definitely be buying

Coolermaster made a tiny case to put it in so you can vesa mount it to a monitor and make an AiO-kinda machine. A youtube channel called Elevated Systems put one inside of a mechanical keyboard. The framework is designed to be made and hacked by anyone. And if someone doesn't make exactly what you need, you can do it yourself. This is why this is a game changer.

@@devnol I like DIYing but I also want to see this company continue to make great products and I think the configuration market is something that they could easily tap into without hurting the DIY market. I'm worried that they may go the way of pebble and otherwise reach too high of a saturation with the consumer with out releasing a substantially new product.

@@kirmie44 Different enclosures and cases isn't really part of their product design lineup, that's where partners like coolermaster and users on 3d printing repositories come into play. As for the pebble analogy, those guys died because they failed to innovate when competition like fitbit and apple leapfrogged them in 2014. Framework is way ahead of the curve here and their business model is fairly well laid-out. Also, if competition appeared for framework that would actually mean they've achieved their goal which is to encourage and motivate sustainable products. I can't imagine someone like hp would want to follow that model but if they did that would actually be pretty good to see.

@@devnol there are a lot of people who would switch to a Pebble today if they could. They weren't leapfrogged. Their product line up just wasn't that diverse, causing them to run into the oversaturation problem (similar prob TV manufactures ran into in the 2010s). No one wants to buy a new watch every year. Framework is going to have a similar issue. Having partners create components is a neat business model but not many are picking up the torch. A 3D printed main board case is a drop in the bucket for the configuration diversity this Framework can support. I also don't think they are mutually exclusive. If framework creates some 1st party configuration options, it could show the potential. I think a chunkier 13 with a drive bay for a DVD player and a touch screen are 2 easy first party options. I think an Otter Box Style Chassis (military grade durability or something) is a great 3rd Party option. What I think would be a bad decision is to leave all configuration options as Bespoke DIY components. Those are great and should be an option but they are very limiting in market appeal and with hamper Frameworks ability to reach a broader audience.

@@devnol also, your last point there. I think this could be trickier than you think. Other manufacturers are very much able to play the oligopoly and phane repairability in the mean time til framework goes under, then reverse. I want frameworks mission to survive along with the company. I don't think you can keep one without the other. With my pebble analogy, they were tge reason smart watches gained popularity. You could argue that their mission was complete with the diversity of smart watch products available. However, there isn't anything quite like pebble on left on the market. If framework disappears, other companies might become more repairable, but the upgradeability framework offers would never be matched

for me at least it seems like framework are a lot more passionate and genuine than fairphone are. biggest issue is fairphone doing away with the headphone jack to then try and sell you their fairbuds, which are not repairable like any and all bluetooth earbuds. its a baffling decision

@@oggilein1 well it took courage. /s