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Ricky can definitely pull off cute. His best asset is his stage presence. He’s captivating.

I agree though? 💀

and then there's a fake maknae matthew 💀

@@onetrickponysona2613 He's the true maknae in my heart 🥸

@@gamerxarmymultistan Not sure who you're talking about, but aside from pure speculation, none of the treinees confirmed their sexuality, and if any of them are in the lgbtq+ community, I don't think they'll be revealing that any time soon

@@renatadeoliveira8486 oh okay thank you

we all know gyuvin is the real uncontrollable chaotic fake maknae 🤣

gunwook is probably top 3 rappers of the show he was chosen as the best rapper out of 45 contestants in wild idol and was complimented by so many rappers, he’s THE main rapper no doubt

So we have 3 aces Hao Bin wook

I can see him go solo in the future too. He has the presence to hold his own. I really hope people stop underestimating his performance skills.

I’ve been thinking about this as well lately. I can totally see him as a solo act. He has the vocals, dance skills and charisma. People are naturally attracted to his charm and he could definitely make it work and be quite popular.

Matthew is talented but I see him as someone who’ll shine more in a group than solo.

The evolution from judging the trainees because they can’t get the damn signal song right to a guide for Bep1er, it has been a wild ride but a very great one

u look like a gyuvin anti. hanbin deserved 4 but so did gyuvin like did u see his performance??? plus his confidence when he asked to show another dance as well

Not a gyuvin anti at all. Love him for his personality but I have to say his performance was a bit overrated on the show. This comment was specifically targeted towards how the masters did not have a consistent scoring system though

its so weird cos gyuvin didnt show off any vocal skills whereas hanbin showed both vocal+dance and his dance was for sure at the same level as gyuvin LMAO love both tho

Also they hinted that gyuvin got all stars because he was able to show his skill when he danced to reveal which is fair. But when hanbin showed his skill in the whaacking battle they didn’t consider it while scoring him?

@@suspicioussloth yea frr, same with gunwook! the fact he was 3 star is ridiculous

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As someone who has thought that for a long time I’m very happy that people finally call him out for being the babygirl of the group

Gyuvin and yujin are stan attractors too. Like most korean fans probably voted for them mostly because of their visuals.

I think gyuvin and yujin would be on par with taerae, Ricky and Jiwoong. They're good at something let's say yujin and gyuvin at dancing but they're not as skilled as others, they have unique vocals but lack still lacking compare to the others. for example like you say how taerae struggle at dancing, but he's a good vocalist. Personally, i like ricky's vocal but it's not main vocal worthy so i agree with the way you label him.

@@peachyjin9145 I totally buy that! Jiwoong, Gyuvin, Ricky, and Yujin are all really similar in that much of their appeal is visual and due to stage presence. Putting them as the same tier makes sense, even if my personal bias towards Jiwoong makes me want to put him in a higher tier. Taerae is sort of unique in that he's objectively main vocalist material. It gives him that "it" factor. When he sang in Hot Summer and Switch, he really stood out more than most of his group members for his singing and stage presence. I'd put him below Shanbin, Gunwook, Zang Hao, and Matthew, but in a higher tier than the four boys above as a performer overall.

@@peachyjin9145 Good point! They both have a similar appeal as the boys from Enhyphen: Gyubin reminds of Sunghoon and Yujin reminds me of Nikki.

Gyuvin wasn’t in kill this love, he was in love me right, or did you mean love killa? (which now that I think about it ktl and love killa are very similar names)

i personally think he can be very versatile if he has confidence in himself. kick it and back door were cool concepts, rush hour was charismatic and over me and hot summer were sexy concepts. he jokes about hating doing cute things but he did great when he took it seriously in the say my name cover. i agree that his best concept is sexy and over me was definitely where he shone the most, im actually taken aback that the video said hes a low tier performer because he drew my eye over everyone else in all 3 challenge stages.

@@ephemeral02 I always want to mention his say my name pj performance but I’ve since omitted it from my “defend Ricky comments”. I’ve only used it once as an example for him doing cute concept surprisingly well. Unfortunately others actually disagreed so much that it made me feel bad. I regretted even bringing it up in the first place. 😭

@@_harley_1288 aww im sorry about that :(( dont let them make you feel bad, he's a person too doing his best and there's nothing wrong with wanting to support him for it

@@ephemeral02 ty

The problem with stage presence is it can be extremely subjective for example I find Jiwoong pretty boring (or annoying to watch in case of Back door - eating his shirt and therefore muffling his lines - or love killa - I can’t with his pronunciation) whilst others genuinely adore his stage presence whilst I really enjoy watching Taerae perform (due to how happy and excited he looks during most if not every performance) eventhough a lot of people find him boring I’d also put Ricky in mid, he was just somewhat unlucky due to him constantly performing with really talented performers whose existence is pretty distracting - respect to the people who can only look at Ricky through the entirety of over me ‘cause I can’t look at anyone except for Chen Kuanjui and Zhang Hao shortly before, during and shortly after the dance break (I may be a bit too fascinated by Kuanjuis dancing)

Ricky is talented but didn’t stood out to me in any of his performances. They were all like the same stage. He was like that actor who always looks the same despite playing different roles

I respect your opinion. I just wanted to add that Matthew and Gunwook were part of a group of trainees the knetz called "Landmines". These were trainees which were the most hated; knetz did not want them in their perfect lineup. Meanwhile, Gyuvin is part of F4. In a randomly picked out live audience, they would not win over Gyuvin. They debuted because of their strong one-pick.

@@novamoin246 ok but he still won over jiwoong in love killa when jiwoong had the killing part, was showing his abs, part of f4 and is popular in korea. he has pretty decent stage presence as well and gyuvin was still able to get more votes than him. i just have a hard time believing that gyuvins popularity could carry him to the win in that situation if he didnt have pretty good stage presence. hanbin was the most popular trainee in korea by a landslide and part of f4, and that wasnt enough for him to win over hao in tomboy or hui in love me right, AND hanbin is a good performer. i thought it was just popularity too at first but i started to think about who won the on-site voting each mission and who their teammates were and it simply doesnt make sense to me that he just has terrible stage presence but still was able to win cause knets like him. i feel like mnet did gyuvin a disservice with international fans by focusing so much on his visuals because then ppl think he must not be talented enough to talk about that. he is a strong dancer, good rapper, stable live, and has good stage presence. he wasnt even one of my top picks but its getting exhausting seeing ppl constantly undermine his talent or underestimate him.

​@@vernonIover The first group mission happens before the first episode is aired. Therefore, the people do not form their favourites or opinions that strongly. So at that point, Hui was more popular than Hanbin. For example: In Produce 101 S2, Kwon Hyunbin, a well-known model at the time, (the weakest performer in his group) won against Kang Daniel, Ong Seungwoo, Minhyun and Kim Jaehwan in On-site votes in the first mission. Those 4 later joined Wanna One with Kang Daniel as the center while Hyunbin got eliminated. In the second mission for Love Killa, it should be noted that Jiwoong is a BL actor in a conservative country. He is also very old for an idol. Gyuvin is more likeable to Koreans than him. In Tomboy, Hao was underestimated. Most koreans would not have voted for Hao if they knew he would win against Hanbin. People were also worried about what happened to Xiaoting last season. I am not undermining Gyuvin's talent. Gyuvin is very lovable and hardworking who has many admirable traits. He choreographed Love Killa dance break and wrote rap for En Garde. The examples you gave were not appropriate unfortunately because it does not take into account the unfair situation of other members. The On-site voters are really not the best judge of talent. Soyeon from G-idle called it out in My Teenage Girl. There was also strategic voting by fans taking place after first mission.

Top18 debuting together would be so good (especially if they added some of the other eliminated trainees like the other WakeOne boys since they’ll probably stay trainees for quite a while) and there aren’t really that many things stopping them since Keitas group member might actually make it into the FB group and Hui has been in the industry for such a long time that Pentagon doesn’t need him 24/7 also they’re under cube, who to put it nicely, isn’t the greatest company of all time

💀 it's an objective guide I'm not just gonna praise everyone and ignore the things they lack at, I love them for who they are including their shortcomings

@@tiredmarley i agree with the whole guide actually, since I watched the whole show it's a mix of knowing this is one of the best dynamics to come out while thinking the incredible combinations talent-wise that could be made lmao

Oh really

Jiwoong debuted once and was in a pre-debut group, no glue about his positions thought; he also did some of the ost for his dramas (or at least for Poongduck or however you actually spell that) and they’re actually pretty good

Yes they all rapped at some point... Doesn't mean they're good at it

No seriously are we gonna pretend hot summer taerae doesn't exist🫠

Actually he's in my bias line

@@tiredmarley interesting

@@jeonghair4876 💀

I don’t know why they said that for Jiwoong either. But they also said the only concept Ricky is good at is being “young and rich tall and handsome”. I’d say both comments are an equal level of shallowness.

I’m not very educated on Jiwoong’s skills so I can’t compare or tell you who’s better but I will say op chose Ricky’s singing as his best skill for a reason (I’d say either that or stage presence). It is his strongest skill compared to dancing and rapping. Ricky even said so himself.

@@_harley_1288 to be the visual of a group you need to fit the korean beauty standard, keep your composure often and when it comes to schedules they get a lot of photoshoots, ads and commercials. Jiwoong has experience in that field and fits the korean beauty standard well, so he is the most fit to be the visual of zb1 (and would just be a great visual for any group). And I didn't say the only thing Ricky could do was his persona, that's just dumb, what I meant is he shines in concepts that are like playing that persona (such as: sexy, elegant, expensive, etc).

You're still alive???

@@tiredmarley gurl I didn't kms 💀

Don’t worry this channel doesn’t just hate on people he doesn’t like, it’s mainly a weird sense of humour, also you can’t really take kpop group guides too seriously

How was anything in the video even remotely close to hate?

Don’t say that. Please stop you’re making Riyangis look bad.

I know you have zero braincells