This!!! Also! I’m a Chevy girl too💛

I came here to say the same thing! I absolutely love his approach and his willingness to try new things 😊

Totaly agree❤

you can’t train out their natural instinct

Very well spoken and we as humans have a few more tools for understanding. These lockdowns we are going through is becoming " the cure is worse than the illness". Humans are struggling. Thank GOD for horse angels and people striving fir a better way for the horse. THANK YOU WARWICK for marvelous videos and I hope to meet you someday!

I sympathize with you. Your reaction was my experience with teaching via Zoom. Detested it.

Desensitization cannot happen - in people or horses -if there the trigger is completely avoided. The exposure to the trigger has to be gradual, and as Warwick says, not to overload the horses’s nervous system. In mental health, trauma people talk about the window of tolerance…. You can be out of it and shut down, or on the other end, out of it and agitated panic. The desensitization happens within the window of tolerance, which is supported by relationship (i.e., the social engagement system)

He's a pretty gentle one

I was thinking the same thing. I need to get one of those ... At least it would be rideable.

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I sympathise so hard with those horses, as someone with anxiety who has had to "power through" scary situations, and then had delayed, worse reactions to them later.

Thats exactly it

Just how humans want to be treated as well.

I hope you update in comments!!!

I’ve dealt with this a lot with dogs I’ve rescued (I’m a dog trainer by profession). This state of mind is called “learned helplessness”. It takes some work to get them out of it but it definitely can be done!

How’s it going with your mustang?

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That's horrible. So barbaric. Thank goodness for you.

You bond with those you learn from or those you learn with.

If you go to his channel and search for a subject, most likely he already has a video out dealing with that. :)

Now often referred to in the trauma literature as staying within the window of tolerance

Yes you could learn to ride at 70, our queen here in the UK (god rest her soul) was still riding to her late 90s

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@@WarwickSchiller Hi Warwick (and Robyn), thank you very very much! Email is on its way :)

Working in one quadrant of operant conditioning you really limit yourself.

I have no idea how learned helplessnes and the prison system relate. As far as +R, I dont think it really matters what quadrant you use, it matter which branch of the vagus nerve you engage.

@@WarwickSchiller a system for desensitization of horses I would like to see more of is counter conditioning(classical conditioning)- the pairing of a stimuli with reward. Positive reinforcement versus negative reinforcement surely would produce a different physiological response. If you are using pressure that's being taken away there would be the typical chemical response in an animals body -Adrenaline , noradrenaline and cortisol would be produced. If you are working in the Positive reinforcement quadrant the stress hormones would unlikely be present to that degree, while there is a motivating reward. Surely each approach would would affect the vagus nerve differently.

@@lauca6969 Actually research has shown that CAT-H (which is one of the techniques I used here) is actually more beneficial that +R when working with a frightened animal.

@@lauca6969 When an animal is learning, you must reward the "Try". When you lose the try, you're adding resistance to training, which slows the process and doesn't encourage the animal/human to make abstract connections which is when you get great leaps in comprehension and performance. This is where Pure Positive excels. Too many people assume that PP means ONLY rewards, which it does not. Having worked with extremely abused dogs (fight busts, etc.), horses (One fell to her knees in fear that I had a cattle prod in my hand), and elephants (full contact, outside the US), I've seen how their brains are harmed through the restriction of movement. In the case of the Pajan: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_crushing, it is meant to break the animal's soul. This is why I referenced our prison system, which is meant to do the same and is why the recidivision rate hovers at ~70%. IMHO prison reform and training theory should be working hand in hand to fix a broken system. Using PP also does not mean you never say "No.", but it does mean staying out of Flight/Flight response, which shuts down the thinking part of the brain. Autistic kids' meltdowns are a good example of what happens when an amygdala is overstimulated. As a college professor, I have many ASD students and have become more and more aware of how fear plays into the learning process. My sensitivity to them has only come through recognizing my earlier experience with abused animals. It is all the same plumbing...so to speak.

Here's a video from 9 years ago kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7B2lceQvJPIkXk.html