a practical guide to Timeless Product Design (How to)

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some gray things

some gray things

Күн бұрын

There's something magical about the timeless aesthetic, but it's really hard to design a timeless product. So I made a practical guide on how to design timeless products. I go over how to create timeless forms, details and finishes while designing a nice little coffee grinder.
Software: Mood Boards in Miro. Coffee Grinder modelled in Rhinoceros & Fusion 360 & Rendered in Keyshot.
Thanks to all the great designers who let me feature their work:
Shaver, T3, SK5, TP1, LE1, Sessel 620 by Dieter Rams
Olly, Elixir by Bebop @bebopdesigners
Wall Mounted CD Player, Electric Kettle, Toaster, Blender by Naoto Fukusawa
Angle Razor, Toy Projects, Brush and Bowl by Morrama @morramadesign
Barcelona Chair, Cantilever by Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
DSW, Lounge Chair by Charles & Ray Eames
Watch by Junghans
Watch by Nomos Glashutte
A1 by Cecilie Manz
A9 by Øivind Alexander Slaatto
Beosound 1 by Torsten Valeur
Chair One by Konstantin Grcic
Go Chair by Ross Lovegrove
Lockheed Lounge by Marc Newson
Medallion Chair by Phillippe Starck
Isn't it kind of ironic that I am wearing a trendy shirt for a timeless design video?

Пікірлер: 108
@PhiSei92
@PhiSei92 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Your breakdown was great! Only thing I have a problem with is the size of the knob. It‘s so small, making the grinder look enormous. Doesn‘t change anything about the validity of your approach and would be catched latest with a foam model :)
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Good thought! I actually tried out some bigger knobs but went with the little one. I liked the cuteness plus a big knob really made the thing look too much like a face
@baddylou8101
@baddylou8101 Жыл бұрын
love the new vid, would love to see a breakdown of the applications you use on your ipad, and why you choose to use them. But loved this video.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wrote a description for now. Good idea for a video! I’ll keep that in mind for the pipeline!
@katharinalang8879
@katharinalang8879 Жыл бұрын
Love the wavy lid - sliding through time no problem!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I’m a slidey kind of guy
@gergelymihaly199
@gergelymihaly199 Жыл бұрын
The content is gold! Keep it up!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I’ll try!
@leowu6110
@leowu6110 3 ай бұрын
That coffee grinder turned out freaking gorgeous 👍
@PeiyaWang
@PeiyaWang Жыл бұрын
Love your video so much!! Both knowledge and humor!🙌🙌
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks @Peiya
@DanielHernandez-qg8gm
@DanielHernandez-qg8gm Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos, I appreciate so much your process of design and not the boring techniques that teach in the college. LOVE IT, THE RESULTS!! Greetings from México
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks Daniel! Quick question: where's the best food in Mexico (I am going there next year 🙌)
@Designotherwise
@Designotherwise Жыл бұрын
I love your videos ! You get through so much information and knowledge while keeping it light and having such a clear main objective from start to finish ! Very cool ! Excited to see more in the future
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and the nice words :)
@cllgscreative
@cllgscreative Жыл бұрын
This was chill. Thanks bro.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@KarthikMahade1
@KarthikMahade1 Жыл бұрын
loved it!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks buuudy
@simonevascotto1660
@simonevascotto1660 Жыл бұрын
awesome video. cant wait to see more :)
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@All-VentionDesignNT
@All-VentionDesignNT 6 ай бұрын
Great, found another quality design channel.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 6 ай бұрын
Nice of you to say
@kvdesign5348
@kvdesign5348 Жыл бұрын
Nice elaboration on timeless design 👌 cheers
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@oldcountrypancake
@oldcountrypancake Жыл бұрын
Love this channel! Just binged and liked all videos. Your approach to breaking down layers (e.g., forms, details, finishes) is insightful and easy for non-practitioners to follow. I'd gladly pay for a video diving deeper into industrial design with your unique style of delivery (structured layers, fusing in trends and on-the-fly designs.) Keep the videos coming and thanks for making them!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Will try to make some more 😊
@overtone-so
@overtone-so Жыл бұрын
Loooove it!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks ☺️
@ellesaux
@ellesaux 3 ай бұрын
I don't usually comment, but it was super useful, clear and concise! thank u !
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 3 ай бұрын
I’m glad you decided to comment
@yemmaldn
@yemmaldn Жыл бұрын
Amazing! Thanks for reminding me why I wanted to became an industrial designer. Looking forward for the next video...
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Why did you become and industrial designer?
@yemmaldn
@yemmaldn Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings I don't know exactly why however I always thought objects were more than decoration pieces or tools to make our lives easier. I believe it is something about the cultural material value they add. Every design decision is intrinsically related to our reality and your storytelling in your creation process is showing that. I want to be able to do the same at some point.
@genzmind01
@genzmind01 Жыл бұрын
So helpful! Loved it
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it
@genzmind01
@genzmind01 Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings keep creating more such videos
@kvdesign5348
@kvdesign5348 Жыл бұрын
Hunting for timeless features with flow
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
🕵‍♀
@jingwenchen9085
@jingwenchen9085 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed each of your videos a LOT. But! Can you update more often!!! plz!!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I will try!
@nicolaiid
@nicolaiid Жыл бұрын
Great video man! I really liked your explanation and take on the topic :D It also got me thinking if there if some of those beloved, way less minimal designs are also timeless in a way. Most things by Alessie for example can definetly be dated, but it's their character and that they function well despite some stylization that makes people love them throughout time. Super interesting topic, I'm looking forward to your next video :D
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Yes! I think minimalism can help with timelessness, but isn’t necessarily the only way to be timeless. Alessi stuff is great because it has so much personality and isn’t so on trend, so it doesn’t feel old so fast. Although a lot of their style is pretty vintage already.
@Wmeme-mg4ff
@Wmeme-mg4ff Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings Yeah, that's the thing of "timelessness". It can have a lot of different meanings. Your video was fun, but I think it communicates more likely "a practical guide to make a timeless minimal like product that you find constantly on Pinterest''. I am not here hating, this is probably just my personal opinion. Sometimes the reference websites (like Pinterest) have an incredible aesthetics bias to show only minimal works. Of course, I love the Dieter Rams works, but I am tired to see that only minimal products to be considered timeless. The key principles in this video are obviously fine, they are the main base to design a product, but even a "chic" design could be timeless, respect the basic design points and be an icon/influence in the future.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
@@Wmeme-mg4ff great comments! One of the things I figured out making this video is there is a difference between "timeless" and "iconic". Timeless means you can't really figure out when something was made just from looking at it. Iconic is an instantly recognizable and unique design. Iconic products can be timeless (i.e. iPod) but don't have to be (i.e. Super Nintendo). Maybe I do an iconic video one day, but I think Design Theory already has one :) Good point on the minimalism as well, there some designs that are timeless that I wouldn't consider minimal (Lovegrove Chair, Juicy Salif). I think the reason you don't see more, however, is my point on details. The more details you have, the more likely you are able to figure out what time period something is made. Minimal products are inherently more timeless because it's easier to get away without any "time clues".
@romeupb5110
@romeupb5110 Жыл бұрын
I thought you were gonna make a hole pattern with a shape of a coffee bean :D
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
That would have been very cool. Next time!
@sayanee
@sayanee 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this informative video! Do you have any product design book recommendations that will dive into designing timeless products with form, details, and finishes? Loved your breakdown of this topic!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 4 ай бұрын
Hmmm i’m not so good with the books. I did another video that was kind of a Q&A that has some designer recommendations, they are all pretty timeless. Anything Dieter Rams is a good start. If you find any cool books, write back in this comment :)
@niharbhagat
@niharbhagat Жыл бұрын
YOU ARE FUN
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@robyflowbe
@robyflowbe Жыл бұрын
Love your videos in this style! Very informative and tangible. How would you approach requests by other project stakeholders (mainly non-designers) to "make a more iconic design"? In other words, how would you interpret the term "iconic"? Would be highly interested what your take on this might be in another video =) Cheers
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Nice question! Maybe a future video for me, although Design Theory already has one :) my opinion: iconic designs are usually more the result of marketing and mass usage. Aston Martin’s are iconic because they got used in James Bond movies. However, designers can help by making some “iconicable” by giving a product a distinct and clearly recognizable visual. For the iPod, this is the rectangular screen contrasting with the circular dial. For Vespa, it’s the flowing shield shape in front. For the Juicy Salif, it’s this crazy alien like shape. Something that clearly distinguishes you product from another. A good test is if you turned you product into a 2D flat icon, would you still recognize it? What do you think?
@danijelkurincic
@danijelkurincic Жыл бұрын
Great stuff! It this makes me think: timeless designs are well designed and good products. It is worth to note that no product is going to be timeless if technology change, society or economics make it obsolete. Or if it is just a product with a poor quality. Or if it is not marketed well. Or ... so many other reasons than design. Also, from this video, it is clear that timeless also means that it is not tied to a specific epoch, trend, it is trendless. Not so punchy or relevant maybe not so interesting for could be even boring? This might be a good thing for some products, but not for others. So actually, timeless design is rather not a design decision, but a product decision.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Good points!
@JIEON.C
@JIEON.C Жыл бұрын
Quick and simple tutorial, perfect! Just one thing, can’t really tell the scale of this grinder, but if it’s like most grinders, isn’t knob little small? If it’s just a button, would be fine but for a rotary knob, seems bit small.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Ya, this definitely has been a main comment! I was making it tiny like a watch dial but maybe I went to tiny. But it’s just so dang cute like that
@krnxemb
@krnxemb 28 күн бұрын
love it. the finger knob's scale throws me off a bit - is it the know that's too small or is the grinder itself for 1kg coffee beans? lol
@oscarmarchal1624
@oscarmarchal1624 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! Saw your software list and wondering what you are using to have keyshot rendering going on your ipad?
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Just using Apple's built in screenshare with my Macboook
@TheRealStructurer
@TheRealStructurer Жыл бұрын
Very nice. Got inspired 👍🏼 But, it’s not a grinder, it’s a chopper 😉 Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Good to knw
@lukasdittrich949
@lukasdittrich949 Жыл бұрын
Hey great video, really learned a lot!! I was wondering what software u were using for the I pad with ur apple pen in the video? I study product design atm and was really curious, thanks so much!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wrote a little software description in the description :)
@kvdesign5348
@kvdesign5348 Жыл бұрын
For me design expressions are very important to showcase the design philosophy..how can I connect with sustainability/ timeless ?
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Not sure if that's a rhetorical question but yes, I also am a big believer in personal expression through design. How can you connect? Just start doing it I suppose, you will learn along the way.
@ammarah7390
@ammarah7390 8 ай бұрын
This was amazing, I have a quick question (as a new Industrial design student), can you suggest any content based on " how to find your taste in design"?
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 7 ай бұрын
Oooo that's a great question, I don't have a great resource for that. Maybe that would be a fun future video. Here is the short version of it: 1. Research: find a bunch of designs online, in shops, in books, in library that you kind of like. Anything that you find interesting or triggers something in you. Just collect, don't analyze for now. An easy way to do this is with Pinterest, Miro, Figma or any other online tool. 2. Review: after a while (week, month, whatever) look at all the stuff you collected. Just scroll through it and see what you still like or don't. You can add or subtract how you want. 3. Group: start putting things into groups on why you like them. For instance, some designs I like ideas that are clever, and other designs I like because I think it's just a beautiful form or material choice. Sort things the way you see them. 4. Reflect: now that you have some categories, you can reflect on what kinds of designs you like and why 5. Grow: (most important) this is just a starting point. It's really only possible to see what your style is if you design a lot. As you design more and more you can start looking back on what kinds of designs you make and start seeing your personality in the breadth of work. Don't feel too constrained by what you liked before, just let your instincts guide you to do the type of work you connect with. That's it! I'm sure there's problems in this but it should get you started :)
@uuuuuusssseeerrrrrrr
@uuuuuusssseeerrrrrrr Жыл бұрын
Great video! What software did you use to design the coffee grinder?
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I wrote a software description in the description
@camilamolinar211
@camilamolinar211 Жыл бұрын
Hey! Love your videos! Which app do you use for models and product videos like this one? Cheers
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I make the product videos in Keyshot
@randomstuffz365
@randomstuffz365 11 ай бұрын
Sir... Pls tell me Which 3D software do you use to design all these products... please help me... i've been asking many times... I really love your videos ...please little help...
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 11 ай бұрын
Rhinoceros, Fusion 360, Solidworks
@warptraveler
@warptraveler Жыл бұрын
Hey I like your videos, I am a ID from Mexico, what app do you use for design and render in an iPad?
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I wrote it in the description for you
@ubacow7109
@ubacow7109 22 күн бұрын
Imo timeless design tends to look more complex than simple like Nintendo consoles
@lyrechee
@lyrechee Жыл бұрын
Great video!! I was wondering if you had any recommendations for software to make 3D models and industrial design ideas that doesn't cost? I want to become an industrial designer in the future and I'm starting to plan how im going to make a portfolio for the uni admissions in a year and a half, but I don't really have the money to spend on an expensive 3D software, and just want to learn and start familiarise myself with 3D modelling so I can display that skills at admissions :)) Oh and also, do you have any insights into the types of things that unis admitting for Industrial Design would be looking out for or things that would make me stand out as an applicant? Thank you :))
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
Big questions! Software: Blender is free and has amazing features. i *think* you can still get a Fusion 360 free license. Most other things I think you have to pay for. Uni Admissions: tbh not my area of expertise. A focus on sustainability is important these days, and I think a lot of uni’s are trying to grow in this area. Otherwise, depends a bit on the uni and the program. Some are more focused on sketching skills, some more on user research. Maybe you can find a program you like and try to demonstrate some of the skills they are advertising i.e. if they advertise user research, show an interest in that.
@lyrechee
@lyrechee Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings thanks for the response!! I'll check out blender and see if fusion360 has a free license still :)) do you have any general advice for what I should do to become a great Industrial designer? :D
@jamesthorne494
@jamesthorne494 11 ай бұрын
I can’t find any apps under the name rhinoceros or Keyshot, neither any apps that match what I see @6:01 within the video for my iPad Pro, with the exception being Fusion 360 and Miro. Any info on this would be grand
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 11 ай бұрын
Rhinoceros is for windows/mac
@jamesthorne494
@jamesthorne494 11 ай бұрын
And what was the app you where using at 6:01 in the video
@rushilvasudevadesigns
@rushilvasudevadesigns Жыл бұрын
which app is at 6:55 you were using
@somegraythings
@somegraythings 5 ай бұрын
Keyshot on my Macbook
@yigityuce6974
@yigityuce6974 Жыл бұрын
Whats that modeling app
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I let you know in the description
@saiprithvidev9090
@saiprithvidev9090 Жыл бұрын
What was the iPad app u used for rendering.??
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
It’s Keyshot, I’m streaming from my Mac to the iPad
@oscarmarchal1624
@oscarmarchal1624 Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings oh I see, that dedicated UI for ipad is so cool
@huichen6575
@huichen6575 15 күн бұрын
在中国你这种只能算入门设计师水平
@mioncmo5825
@mioncmo5825 Жыл бұрын
What’s the app your using to show the 3D?
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I wrote it in the description for ya :)
@mioncmo5825
@mioncmo5825 Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings omg didnt know you could use rhino and keyshot on ipad , thanks!
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
@mioncmo you can’t i just use my iPad as a remote display for my mac sometimes :)
@mioncmo5825
@mioncmo5825 Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings oh lmao i thought i was missing out xD
@oa793
@oa793 Жыл бұрын
wonky airpod blender
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
You mean wonky airpod coffee grinder
@oa793
@oa793 Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings sorry I watched this on mute while cooking an egg omelette
@graydawdy1491
@graydawdy1491 Жыл бұрын
@@oa793 🤣
@oa793
@oa793 Жыл бұрын
@@graydawdy1491 thank you for your insight into wobbly grinding
@medicenelpepe
@medicenelpepe Жыл бұрын
You look like the average los angeles hipster from 2013
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
This guy nailed it!
@jackofsuit
@jackofsuit Жыл бұрын
Big flaw with these videos is that there aren't enough of them! The channel itself is spare, functional, streamlined...infuriating.
@somegraythings
@somegraythings Жыл бұрын
I think thank you? Not sure if you like me or hate me haha
@jackofsuit
@jackofsuit Жыл бұрын
@@somegraythings you’re killing it. Keep it up.
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