Also similar with the samurai, where one combo give haste too, and the other combo gives the dmg up.

as a current mnk main who loved it for its timer management (rip optimal drift) im excited for mnk with swords

Right? It's like MNK if you remove the annoying parts and make it understandable what you're supposed to be doing. I love Jobs where you don't have to go to the Balance and wade through their arcanum and backbiting just to figure out how to play a Job.

@@SubduedRadical I mean going to Balance is fine, but MNK was like "ok if your buff is at 2 or 8 seconds, use this, if its at 1 use this one" ect, and then keeping an eye at tiny ass buff timers Monks rotation isnt actually THAT different in Dawntrail, but its not dictated by timers Viper is dictated by timers, but you have significantly more freedom, and your combo routes make more sense

How the heck has you seen 20+ viper guides on youtube? I searched yesterday for viper guides and didn‘t found any viper guides.

@@Kylar195 YT Algorithm, there's even more on pictomancer surprisingly

@@Kylar195 FF14 doesn't even that much youtubers making job guides, let alone on a job that haven't come out yet and you can't even see the tooltip

Pretty much mnk well not the new mnk cause they removed the buffs a dots and gave them to viper

True, but I suspect it will feel more free and varied. Everyone's saying it's like MNK but it's more like SAM, just your 2nd hits apply your buffs and your third hits wiggle back and forth between the two sides, so it won't feel as rigid and static. I liked MNK better before the rework (I don't like Optimal Drift or the Beast Chakra/Nadi system), but I also didn't like the old positionals, and this seems not to have any. So it's like if SAM and MNK (and a smidge of RPR/MCH) had a baby that looks pretty flexible and just fun. I like Jobs where I don't have to wade into the Balance pit just to try and figure out its arcanum.

It's not free flowing. The "dot" is actually a defence debuff. You start with it, then go into the haste buff, then cycle around for the attack buff. In a way similar to how SAM cycles its buffs. You will always be going Defense Debuff into Haste into whatever finisher buffs the attack buff side. Then that side's finishers. Once it's mapped out. you'll notice. You don't really have a choice, unless something goes wrong with your timers and you need to loop back to get them going again.

dawg monk has been free flowing since ARR

@@e172-lj1oxyes but I despise monk’s aesthetics

@@e172-lj1ox MNK is a lot more rigid than this. The 40 sec timers (more akin to SAM, but on the 2nd hits of the combo instead of the third, making the combos more flexible and feel less rigid since you don't always have the same 2 finishers) adds a lot of flexibility, and both Awakened and the twinblade mini combos don't look to be annoying like the Beast Chakra/Nadi system is, and the red gems look both more reliable and less clunky than MNK's Chakra system. I like MNK's aesthetics, but I dislike the post-EW changes to all the rotation and builder/spenders, and I was never much of a fan of the pre-EW positionals. They made MNK into this highly technical, rigid thing that crushes the fun out of the Job. I hate Jobs like BLM and MNK since they're so "fun" technical that they're borderline unplayable and mindnumbingly obnoxious. This Viper seems to dump those two things and instead make a playable and intuitive Job that still feels freeform and looks flexible and fun.

​@@SubduedRadicali mean it sounds like ur not a fan of mnk in general, how is mnk technical? Its actually easier now that it was in say stormblood with the riddle of wind rotation

I wouldn’t say monk+ reaper. At the moment it seems for me more like monk + samurai or it is a monk + samurai + reaper combination.

@@Kylar195 I could see the latter one!

It's FF+DMC!! SSStylish!!!

There's a chance they'll add old ultimate weapons for viper, though. They went through the trouble of modeling brand-new alexander, dreadwyrm, and omega viper swords for the benchmark so it would just make sense to go in and add the shiny ultimate glow textures :3c

It's not free flowing. The "dot" is actually a defence debuff. You start with it, then go into the haste buff, then cycle around for the attack buff. In a way similar to how SAM cycles its buffs. You will always be going Defense Debuff into Haste into whatever finisher buffs the attack buff side. Then that side's finishers. Once it's mapped out. you'll notice. You don't really have a choice, unless something goes wrong with your timers and you need to loop back to get them going again.

SSStylish!!!!

​@@Dr.Moogle true, but I expect it will flow a lot easier for players since the UI will actively lead you in the combo dance.

@@Dr.Moogle It seems freeflowing to me. It's like if MNK and SAM had a baby. The only really rigid part is you want to use 5 every 3rd combo due to the 20 sec duration of the buff (now, if this can be stacked to 40, that would make it flexibile, too, like how WAR and NIN's buffs work...but I don't know that it is), but the two second step buffs are like SAM's, just on the second instead of the third step, meaning there's a lot more ease of applying and upkeeping them. There's basically no way they CAN fall off unless you just don't do a combo for 2/3rds OF A MINUTE, which is a huge amount of time. Especially since you'll want to be alternating anyway for the 3rd step. It technically has a pattern in the sense that MNK technically has a pattern, but MNK's rotation is 21 steps long (1-2-3-4-5-6-1-2-6-4-5-3-1-2-6-4-5-6-repeat into 1-2-3 again) despite only having 6 actions, but UNLIKE MNK, you can make minor alterations here a lot easier and insert your burst and spenders easier/with more flexibility, and the flashing box will tell you when you do 1/4-2 or 1/5-3 which finisher to use. I dunno, looks fun!

based off the yoshi p demo, it looks like you need a target so no free dashes in city-states :/

@@kaitocloud1 I just mean strictly for movement and no more spamming for extra damage I burst

@@kaitocloud1 that's fine, the issue many people have with damaging gap closers is that it becomes optimal to use in your rotation since other it is missed damage meaning(especially for tanks) you have to try to fit in gap closers in your burst just for the sake of damage instead of using it the way it was intended.

@pforgottonsoul ya and I hope it's just for movement and not damage cause let's be real (it looked silly) too in burst windows.

That's the plan!

The Pictomancer Video is out!: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbSdaqeWu5y7ZoE.html

Working on it right now!

The Pictomancer Video is out!: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbSdaqeWu5y7ZoE.html

you've managed to spend almost a hundred words saying nothing no shit you want the dot on first, that's how it always works. and yeah, apply your buffs then cycle finishers, just like was said in the video. and what even is the point about the gems? the combo sure is ranged! what are you trying to say??? so is hyosho ranryu, and ninjas fucken love hitting it. a class can be fluid and still have optimal lines. fluidity comes not from being able to press whatever you want and do big damage, but instead from being able to adapt your rotation to account for interruptions. black mage has optimal lines but it's still free flowing, monk has optimal lines but it (was) still fluid. all of your complaints are just that it's a job in FF14, they all work like this, it's called a rotation for a reason

@@ioaffs Ok

​@ioaffs calm down. He was just pointing up that the rotation is not "Free Flowing" like the video intended it to be. You basically said the same thing, proving his point.

It sounds like it is yeah

I'm working on it right now! Should be out in a day or two!

@@SiffusVera BLESS 🙏❤️

@@JemuzuDatsWho The Pictomancer Video is out!: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mbSdaqeWu5y7ZoE.html

@@SiffusVera yay! Watching now ❤

they changed monk so that they could give monk to viper

Perhaps, like SAM, Viper does not have party utility Though I _do_ recall them mentioning Viper having a "damage dealt down" debuff or something

@@Konpekikaminari Having an extra feint-like ability is arguably worse than not having one at all. No mechs will ever be designed specifically around using it and yet the job will still get a dps tax anyway for having "utility"