I feel validated. I was worried when I saw so much team Lindsey discourse.

This take on what happened between Lindsey and Carl is 💯 accurate. Also, regarding the recording of the breakup they both verified that they threatened to record each other.

I completely agree with you both. Carl is holding onto his sobriety throughout all this toxicity but being married to someone like Lindsay would be a disaster in the long run. I looked up what job Carl has now. Besides the PT gig with Loverboy, he's produced a film, started his own media company to promote himself as a sobriety/mental health advocate and he's been booking speaking engagements. So, basically, he's doing everything he told Linsday he wanted to do but she shot down. I'm happy for him.

This is the best episode of turtle time ever, thank you for your takes!!!

Not only did they resort to sleeping in separate rooms after arguing, Carl shared on the after show that he even stayed at a nearby hotel (before the summer/filming started) AND that the building received numerous noise complaints about their fighting...yikes, none of that is healthy nor typical.

I like your reactions, it was not a blindside it was a toxic relationship that needed to end.

Ok I thought I was alone on an island supporting Carl lol

I GASPED when I got the upload notification!! Can’t wait best morning ever little turtle cuties

Their relationship makes me sick to my stomach. So glad they are not together.

The way she weaponized their sex life to emasculate him was always super gross.

I have never been a Lindsay fan. I agree with everything you said 💯 She treats people terribly and does not care. She was horrible to Carl, had no respect for him, and honestly didnt even seem to like him by the end of the summer.

Hi, I'm that new person who found you guys after searching "summer house finale" commentary. Love that you guys got to watch the advanced screening and was able to upload your review so quickly so I could find it! The way this relationship was documented, gave us the audience so much to dissect.. It makes me think how my own relationships could've been viewed if I was filmed. Anyways, appreciate both perspectives and I think the 'controversy' shows the complexities when there are 2 stark opposing sides (Carl and Lindsay).

Laser Lindsay and Cocaine Carl are one of the more divisive Bravo tales. Godspeed turtles, I need you to show me why people don’t see things the way I do. ❤

My safe space for summer house recaps. The fact that Gabby is defending Lindsay this way when she was dealing with Lindsay on Cociane Carl night in REAL TIME creeps me out. Lindsay read their text exchanges out loud to Gabby when she was gaslighting and being cruel and Carl was trying to defuse the situation. Paige came back to us in the 11th hour, but Gabby was as filled in as we were pretty much and still was being a yes man. I think Gabby is scared she doesn’t have a place on the show. She felt rejected by Ciara last year and didn’t feel like she could get into that group, so she hitched her wagon to Lindsay and just quadrupled down this season.

I am so glad he got away! And then she goes in to the girls crying. Playing victim. Didn’t take long for that smile to come back when they talked about Mexico.

Been waiting for this episode for months!! Team Carl (mostly team thank god they didn’t get married tho lol)

Love you guys - I look forward to your takes all week long 🐢

I’m a woman and feminist and I’m on Carl’s side 💯💯. Agree with you both. Like, Lindsey! No matter how you PR this, we all have eyes and ears. Lindsey is entitled to feel any way she wants, but the truth is you need therapy on her own to reflect on ALL of the relationships we’ve seen her in for almost a decade. You play nice to get a guy to meet her timeline and soon as they fall for it, it’s “Lindsey the Praying Mantis” on steroids. She devoured their souls and then says, see they’re not moving, doing nothing, pathetic, how many samwiches 😂😂😂 have you made for me? Gwooorl, give it a rest 🙄

While I agree them breaking up was for the best, he was never direct in saying what he really wanted. Asking her to be "soft" is code for just be submissive. That's not being direct at all. Lindsay isn't an Angel but Carl is pretty vile.

I found you guys searching for Summer House recaps. I have to say I love Amy's balanced thought process. Anyone saying that you guys "hate" Lindsay is just not listening and most likely purposely

I am so happy y'all don't fall for Lindsay's pr act. I can't believe people are on Lindsay's side and makes Carl out to be some monster Carl is no angel, but he has owned up to his faults and wrongs in the relationship ending. Lindsay blames everything on Carl for the breakup and digs at him every time. Lindsay plays the victim every season and people fall for it every season.

I literally cried when Carl asked for the hug. He was so desperate for her love and coming to terms with that fact that their relationship is about to fail.

Oh man I'm sorry you guys were feeling so anxious about this episode. Personally I loved this episode, and I agree with your guys opinion about the breakup. Yes Carl maybe could've been a bit more honest at times about how he was feeling. But as someone who has dealt with a Lindsay before, I don't blame him for being scared shitless of her. Sometimes you got to protect your peace, rather than fight! That decline started way earlier than 2 weeks. That was so manipulative of her

Yes! My feelings! Never cared for Lindsey but when she did that he should have ended it then!

As a person who broke up with their fiancé (I call it getting pre-vorced) I really appreciate Amy’s takes on this.

They were toxic together before they even got engaged.

No matter who did what, Carl and Lindsey was a terrible match. Carl’s only job is staying sober. There was no way he was going to survive the pressure of their relationship as a sober man. Carl needs a nurturer to help him stay sober and we all know Lindsey is not a nurturer. Lindsey is an overachiever and needs a man that can keep up with her. Did anyone actually think they would work! No fault to anyone, just a bad match.

I completely agree with you both. I think when Lindsey started drinking to the point of drunkenness that showed her true colors. You can’t be supportive of a sober person if you continue to drink heavily. They also have zero communication and listening skills.

They were just better off as friends sober and linds prob wanted it to keep going to be like an iconic” bravo couple

Also, I would like to add in the eight years of both of them on our tv the growth of Lindsay is so minimal compared to the growth of Carl.

Thank you for your sanity-based take on this. I disagree with nothing you said.

When Kyle continues to shoot down Amanda's desires to explore her passions it is correctly called out as wrong, that he is trying to control her. When Lindsey constantly shoots down Carl's desires to explore his passions it's "she's a strong woman who speaks her mind and he is a weak man" The situations are flipped but in both instances the man is seen as trying to shut the woman up, in one instance that is correct. Also, in both instance the two people are very different and want different things and shouldn't be together.

NEVER LET THE INTERNET KEEP YOUR OPINIONS AT BAY!

My god thank you , thank you for this and I completely agree with all of this 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

You validated my feelings. Lindsay is just trying to come off like Ariana as a victim but she was difficult in the relationship. Mostly they were not right for each other

New subscriber here. I think you guys were dead on with your take. I feel like they are just two way different people that don't mesh very well. She can be harsh and he needs someone with a more tender side. With that dynamic they would never have lasted. They got caught up in the excitement of an engagement I think. I was never a Lindsey fan BUT (ha ha) I think Carl's lack of direction might have drove me crazy too. She just didn't handle it in the right way. In my opinion. He needs a person that will encourage him with a little push. Not make him feel like less of a man. She needs someone who's also a go getter and on the same page. I hope they can find someone who's a better match.

I’d love to know if you guys listened to Watch what Crappens recap of this episode and see if it would skew your thoughts about Carl vs. Lindsay. They have some interesting ideas that are diametrically opposed to yours…I love hearing everyone’s theories, especially when they aren’t all the same.

lmao i didnt have time to put on a bra

He won’t even let Lindsay speak her feelings! Just discounts rather and ever pod so ‘triggered’ they can’t have a meaningful conversation. They are a horrid couple and they’re both ridiculous.

I just feel like they both really showed their true colors. Their both assholes, maybe this relationship made them better 🙏

@TurtleTimePod do you think you will be able speak impartially on the topic of West and Ciara if it turns out they agreed to be exclusive and he did cheat, since you met him this week and he seemed to be a great guy? (Still hoping that he didn’t cheat, but what if)

Lfg!!!

I was mad at Amanda during the girl post breakup meeting. It wasn't the time or place to dive into the real problems in their relationship. It was time to blindly support a friend. Save the hard truths for a later time.

here’s the thing. you both left out important details in this recap proving you went into this with bias. and unfortunately bias is boring. so this episode was extremely boring. if you want an example, one is the fact that you left out the fact that carl pulled out his phone and recorded the rest of the car ride after lindsay’s threat. at least tell the full story. carl is a grown man. you talk about him like he’s a teenage boy and lindsay is his mother. carl had plenty of excuses to leave lindsay at the beginning of the season but didn’t start behaving this way until he realized lindsay wanted kids and not work. from that point on he tried so hard to make lindsay repeat her horrible behavior at the beginning of the season so he could have an excuse to leave but she wasn’t the taking the bait. you can tell she slows her drinking down at lot towards the end of the season. his comment about the presentation was extremely out of pocket. she asks him what she can do to support him long term and he asks for a hug… then gets mad when the hug isn’t good enough and never gives her an answer to her question because he doesn’t know the answer. telling someone to be softer isn’t a long term solution. he’s not thinking long term and she knows that because she knows him and he does NOT know himself. his behavior isn’t the behavior of a grown adult. a mature adult doesn’t propose after a few months of dating and then gets scared because his parents had to tell him this is a bad idea (because he can’t make decisions on his own) and tries to force her to be the one to break up because he’s a coward. even at the end he tried to say he didn’t mean to break up she just assumed that’s how it was going …. coward until the very last minute. it’s also wild how you assume everything carl is spitting are facts when he could easily be lying and she accuses him of doing so in the reunion so let’s not pretend lindsay is the only manipulative player in this game. they are on the same level of toxic and it’s sad how easily you’ve picked a side when no sides can really be picked in a situation like this. they both deserve criticism.

I don’t understand why you Turtle People hate Lindsay so easily. I love Carl but certainly wouldn’t marry him. He has never consistently had a job and for Lindsay to stand by him but keep him accountable is what any sane person would do. So I don’t understand your logic.

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I can't tolerate either one of them. I feel Carl would be more bearable unshackled from she who shant be named tho.