dude he wanted that, that's literally what he teached them to do

Ferrus was a dick who made the people of his planet intentionally suffer so he could have better recrutes

Not really, they just radicalize everything

I think he taught them too much

​@bendyropro1668 He disliked how inhuman the Iron Hands were becoming, and after Istvaan wanted to remove his metal hands and teach the Iron Hands to be more human. This isn't what he wanted.

Their chapter master is cracking his knuckles

*The Iron Dragon has entered the scene*

Salamanders arent even that benevolent More like jaggatai khan

"Alright, I just taught my audience about the Salamanders. I know what I'll talk about..."

white scars, ultra marines, blood angels, lamenters, space wolves, black templars, celestial lions, crimson fists and ravenguard listening to this: >:[

Hes about to do what the salamanders have been itching for

And then the emperor returns, and proceeds to immediately delete you out of disappointment

​@@ibraheemshuaib8954 Emperor comes in "ya'll stupid" *atomizes you, blasting your soul into a realm even chaos can't find*

@@ibraheemshuaib8954 Never forget the emperor gave The Night Lords and World Eaters a pat on the back and said "Do what ever you want just make these worlds join the Imperium" Logar was activly stopping to improve each world he conquered and the The big E had Guilliman destroy his homeworld for being too slow.

​@@klaykid117To be fair though, Night Lords had pretty low kill counts all things considered. They were brutal and cold blooded, but they were efficient.

They almost certainly want to, but are pragmatic enough to know it's not worth it. It wont change the iron Xth's behavior towards civilians, it'll just lead to a pointless conflict and a wasteful expenditure of men and material.

Well actually is the Iron Hands the ones with more than a bone to pick with the lizard bois.

@@AlphagonOmegarius really? Please tell me I'm all ears

​@@AlphagonOmegariuswhat did thr salamanders do

@@Voodoo-420 They fell back to the supposed-loyalist reinforcements at Isstvan V, along with the Raven Guard, rather than continuing to press the attack with Ferrus and the Tenth. The Iron Hands have at times blamed them for being partially responsible for Ferrus' death. Basically saying that if they'd all kept pressing the attack, then Ferrus wouldn't have been isolated and killed.

This is too good 🤣🤣🤣🤣

That's just the whole Imperium, fascism it's making your Daddy Issues everyone elses problem

What daddy?

@@SonOfTerra92 Means problems with your father figure

These boys just can’t keep their heads on straight

the irony is , its Vulcan that said "the flesh is weak"

Just like Angron, who definitely didn't want his Space Marine to implant themselves with Butcher Nails, when it was imposed to him to keep him in check and suppressed his gentle nature

And a rabid case of surgical addiction.

What they are doing is actually in line with what Ferrus said. He needed the strength his hands gave him for the great crusade but afterwards he was planning on fixing them.

They tried

Average IH wins

Woman should’ve been more efficient

This is why I think the Iron hands are better suited towards taking back a lost planet that’s already conquered by enemy forces rather than sending them to aid “regular” soldiers.

Wasn't it Iron Warriors? I thought the Iron Hands were pretty much the Mechanicus chapter of the Marines

@@guardian0151 They kinda are, they do have a great relationship with the mechanicus along with being the only people they will willingly defend, difference is an iron warrior will either grab or force you into battle as cannon fodder iron hands will just straight up kill if you are seen running away like a commissioner though they don’t enjoy it.

When you make the fucking deathguard look like decent people you know you're messed up.

Guilleman even tells Dante that. To paraphrase, "Baal Secundus is such a shit hole that people are gonna turn to Chaos to avoid super-cancer and mutants."

Which book was that in I know in the plague war novel he says something along with if your life is hell it's not going to be hard to sell your soul ​@@michaelgaleazza4809

​​@@blizzardgaming7070the death guard are very decent, they're probably one of the best chaos factions from a moral perspective. People forget that plague marines don't feel pain or sadness, etc, which I think is very interesting considering what life in the imperium is like.

“Will they fight any harder for living on a world that kills them? By offering their sons to the emperor they have earned a better life. If the dark gods come with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already…? We need to be better’ Guilliman to Commander Dante after the devastation of Baal.

to be fair she could've been corrupted by chaos and maybe the space marine thought she was succumbing to chaos and who knows maybe it was nurgle demons and she could've been infected by some super space aids or some crap but I never read where this came from so I don't know

This, ladies and Gentlemen, is a classic example of Grimderp.

@@physical_insanity I was going to say the same.

@@physical_insanityPrecisely, grimdark for the sake of grimdark. Silly.

Inquisition justifying why genociding an entire solar system will help the imperium (a 5 year old graffitied a symbol of slanesh as a prank:​@@rexross4847

It's not true. Read Wrath of Iron. She was corrupted.

​@Blackwolf302 She wasn't corrupted, she was a deserter who wouldn't go into certain death

@GuardianM25 I thought it was she was a survivor who had the misfortune to still keep living. Like she said "we fought for you. Fought with you." But because the Iron Hands believe in Decimation to weed out weakness, to 'remove the impurities from the Iron', it didn't matter. Man, woman, child, loyal or not, coward or hero... they still died to Iron Hand guns for no other reason than they Wanted to Send A Message.

​@@Kalebfenoir guess what keep crying we like Warhammer because it is like that not a fucking marvel copycat go watch child show if ur are weak

@Kalebfenoir baisically the story is the iron hands are trying to stop a sector wide rebellion,clan raukaan specifically is taking on the capital where slaanesh corruption spread in the first place. By this point in the story they fought deamonettes and Julius kaesron,and were betrayed by the IG commander who thought his troops should do things his way rather than the iron hands(it is a bit more complicated than that but it is unimportant),so by the end of all of this they do indeed decimate the population,think it was like one in 3 or something like that,and this woman in particular was a deserter who ran away while the other mortals died to defeat the chaos forces,so she amply deserves it.

*Mach

Salamanders? Imagine the Space Wolves or Lamenters.

@@SunnyGaming3710 Salamander's Chapter Master literally beated up another chapter's captain cause he DARED to suggest to bomb a survivor camp

@@PHEONYX79been almost two weeks that you beat me to it. Touché but damn you.

Saving this comment, it deserves more likes.

The Heresy broke them. They didn't become stronger, they broke.

@@Burninator353 Yeah kinda one of the big draws to them

YO!

​@@chaplin3735Same pfp!

@haloister so, you like then because they're evil for no reason?

BA DUM ssssss

EMOTIONAL DAMEGE!!!

Well, she kinda lost consciousness, that's for sure.

What does this mean? She died did she not?

@@KhoaLe-uc2ny She died, like super dead, head desintegrated and all.

she's missing her torso

Oh absolutely.

ferrus manus was a brutal dictator and his sons are almost machines. they have no compassion for anyone and have totally lost what it means to be human. perturabo does what he does out of pure spite, but the iron hands dont even have that, they just dont care. humans are just a weak fleshy liability that they have to waste their time on instead of killing traitors lol.

They are, they're called the Iron Hands.

@keztannis6848 I know I just thought they would be better than my Battle Brothers

Iron Warriors at least to terrible shit for a good reason? not that it really matters, but one could argue "all they are doing is being cruelly pragmatic"

That's like saying "the nazis even disgusted jesus." Not really making a point.

Eldar children wants to disagree

@@Karakangal5858 first, even him regretted this, second, it's a xenos, so it doesn't count

@@oscarsalazar5876 probably mixed up definitions of words or forgot to add ‘least’ lol

@superidol that "eldar child" was a powerful witch who was oart of coven that enslaved an entire planet. not exactly innocent or powerless

Not really. This here is model Iron Hands behavior from the crusade. Ferrus was a complete hardliner and didn’t tolerate any incompetence. He once even sent an entire human civilization to slavery for life - just because they resisted the Great Crusade and coexisted peacefully with xenos. Ferrus Manus would be very disappointed in this marine. This marine hesitated. Hesitation is weakness to Ferrus.

Beware, some people will get pissy, that you like guys that have at least 1 gram of emphaty in their bodies.

They are a problem too. They will protect a city, yes. But they won't leave the city to kill the invaders far away so no citizen gets killed. The invaders just wait and attack after the salamanders departed. Something like this happened in Hellsrich or whatever it's called 😅

@@darksider2903 Sallies are not perfect, but they get a point for making civilians feel like worthy members of the Imperium.

​@@SignedWithBloodhow about just concidering ultramarine and jaggatai khans legion then instead lol salamanders dont care about non human civies

@@meteorknight999 Why would anyone care about xenos civies? Are you a heretic? 🤔🤨

That and the same iron hand witnessed the guards betrayal when the commander held his tanks back at the last moment forcing the ground pounders to go in there without tank support.

Knew it had some more context than "hurr durr you are weak" how was the book?

The iron hands do have some rather dumb plottarmor in the book with how they waste imperial resources. Including leading to the destruction of 3 warhound titans.

@@sokratikas yeah it's a good read but there are better books. The iron hands definitely show their uncaring side, although @Guard412 is right, it gets a bit too extreme at times with the wastage of friendly forces.

@@rgambl2 to be fair I get why he had, the iron hands were throwing away troops thinking they were the new iron warriors or something. They were asking for that reaction.

possibly, but he was a pretty brutal tyrant in his own right

@@conan2096 true but I doubt he would shoot a woman who defended her home for not defending it well enough

it WOULD be a sign of weakness, and that was something manus despised more than anything. we have so little to go off with that guy that id buy it @@Fallout4277

He would deal with his wayward son personally, publicly, and without remorse.

⁠@@conan2096yes. But he was not one without faults and not one to simply shoot a woman for “not being good enough”. He often took on the big brother role to his brothers. He wanted his legion to relearn their humanity. He wanted to strip himself of the machine metal of his arms so he could master himself. Of the humanity beneath.

I mean, you are underselling it. The reason for why they are assholes with bionics it's compelling and sympathetic, its just not very well known in the community.

​@@giacomoromano8842 Doesn't change what they are

@@giacomoromano8842 murdering random ppl (yk the people you were literally created to protect) isnt so compelling and sympathetic lol iron hands r pricks for no reason

If we aren’t talking about Feiros, of course He’s a wise and compelling character, at least

​@@_.trichael._you underestimate how loved the a-hole marine squad are (Minotaurs, Malevolant Marines, Carcharodons, red Scorpions and Iron Hands)

Please, a machine wouldn’t be so fucking wasteful. Cruelty is an excess that machines have no reason to partake in. This is just plain idiocy

@@ravenblood1954yeah, these guys genuinely just hate anyone who isn’t a half metal space marine

@@ravenblood1954 That's false, AI in Wh40k is similar to humans, and there is a high chance that they created the butcher's nails.

We really pretending the Iron warriors are kinder to their human followers?

​@@sernoddicusthegallant6986No, but the average human knows jack shit about Chaos. How would they know the grass isn't greener on the other side after watching one of their friends be executed by their own allies for the mere malfeasance of not being perfect? And if they DID know, the Inquisition and Grey Knights would be on their ass.

If you are living as a normal citizen in the imperium, than the chances are high that chaos esee s like an option to you

When the alternative is living in the Imperium, joining the forces of Hell starts to look like a good option.

It's traditional to allow somebody sentenced to death to make a final statement before being executed.

What book was the dark angels story from?

They are the exception, this is commonplace.

​@gstellar96, that is why they shine more, since they and the salamanders are the ones who managed to retain their humanity

@@Flame4516 Bruh. They're monsters not humans.

​@@gstellar96Ezekiel is the Chief Librarian of the fucking Dark Angels, and this happened years before Lion came back.

What a statement to make... And even more amazing is it is true 🤣

Now thats just plain BS and you know it. The iron warriors were infamous for their lack of care and sympathy even pre Heresy. Nobody wanted to vlco-op with them because the iron warriors tended to use everyone as cannon fodder just to get the results.

The Iron Warriors run an all-inclusive meat grinder. Astartes, humans, daemons- all fodder.

Demonculaba

@@citizenkhan4696 the IH are just as bad towards using humans as meat and chaff, to be sent in as cannon fodder. At least the IW make use of fallen enemies. IHs just straight out slaughter allies that failed.

They're, but in this particular instance the Marine is executing a deserter.

We'll try Marines malevolent

norm macdonald refrence?

@@andrej13666:)

Yeah but they're really cool and are pretty strong

To be fair,it lacks some context,from what I have gathered,she was a deserter. The iron hand just did what any space marine would do in that position,90% of them are assholes by our standards

>"eVeRyoNe TuRnS A BlInDe EyEs To ThE iRoN HanDS" >The entire comments section here is just people saying the Iron Warriors are less cruel and others dunking on IH Sure, buddy. Keep crying about imaginary problems. That DEFINITELY doesn't make you look like a sniveling loser. I bet you cry about the fake "wAgE gAp" too

Yep! There is a LOT of people doing that here. At least the Iron Warriors are honest and openly despise the commom Humanity (and everyone else: Chaos, xenos, the Emperor...)

If they are, I haven't seen those comments yet. Most of what I've seen has been commentary on how the Salamanders or Space Wolves would body these people.

​@@Aberinkula9 To be fair they hate each other and their father the least, THEN humanity in general, particularly the citizens, THEN everyone else. Kinda why when there is something that will destroy the imperium they don't bother it, but if something endangers the human species they drop in gung ho,like when dealing with Tyranids or the War of the Beast. Most of their hate is for the Astartes, the Imperial government, the Emperor and other Primarchs and the Gods, and Xenos. They ironically care more for humanity, than the rest of the traitors, possibly with the exception of the Blood Gorgon's and Alpha legion, even though they do some of the more messed up stuff.

And of course the heretics are spreading anti imperialist propaganda about how she was an innocent woman. I swear 40k is just our real worlds darkest shadow and outcome. If we survive to see it.

She was smart on a world of grimderp and died anyway for it.

@@blazesalamancer8767 yea but at least it’s in character for the chapter especially their 40k variant

Okay this killed me lol

Hey, he allowed her to say a sentence or two before murdering her in cold blood. By Iron Hands standards, he practically coddled her.

These were Iron Hands. Iron Warriors wouldn’t give the humans false hope. They’d just send them to soak up enemy firepower while they bombard the city from a mile away.

@@jonathantheslowthey might be blunt but at least they’re honest

@@Fraus2610 And that’s one of the many reasons I love them

I hate how fans always complain about this being "grImDeRp" and stupid, when the whole point is that the Imperium is NOT logical. Astartes are not reasonable. They're mutated brainwashed war beasts formed by cutting child soldiers open to implant organs while forcing hynoindoctrination helms onto their heads.

That is not true, Salamanders will go out of their way to save civilians, they plan their strategy around it often. Loads of the chapters will, it is why they clash often with the inquisition because the marines whilst loyal to the emperor, most of them know he is not a god and didn't want to be worshipped like one so often clash with the fanatics. Like the months of shame for example, the Space Wolves literally took on the Inquisition and Grey Knights to stop them wiping out a whole planet. Blood Angels, Ultramarines, some of the other chapters as well try to avoid civilian casualties where they can and save populations if they can, but like the whole of 40k there are huge threats and horrible choices to make. Some of the marines are complete arseholes and have little regard for human life, like the Iron Hands often do or the Templars etc.

You could probably argue roughly half of the Loyalists don't fit that mold. Salamanders are extremely moral. Space Wolves are decent with civilians as well. Ultramarines aren't too bad *most* of the time, and as I recall, Blood Angels are decent aside from their whole struggle with the Red Thirst. Assuming reasonable cultural continuity with their successor Chapters (which is why I did not mention Imperial Fists >.> ) That said, that still leaves plenty of marines who are absolute douchebags, and it's even more ironic that most of your assholes are from Codex Compliant chapters.

@@basteala525 Salamanders are "moral" until you get upset because your whole hive district is starving to death and you just want to eat. Then the Salamanders aren't nearly so moral

@@basteala525 moral until you riot from starving

Dude as many other people pointed out in full context she deserted the front lines, killing deserters has been practiced in militaries for centuries. The Soviets shot men right on the battlefield if they ran, and the other Allies would jail then and the execute depending on the severity.

@@ric270 Do you really wanna use the SOVIETS as an example to justify this behavior? Really??

​@@ric270There are Russians facing the same situation if they desert the "special military operation" in Ukraine. Eventually you end up like WWI and the soldiers decide it is better to turn on their own government.

@@ric270 "Uhh she was a deserter!" No, she was one *Civilian* among many who got drafted into the Fight as literal meat shields for the Iron Hands. It's literally their MO to force fcking Civilians to fight in Battles they have no business even being in, be it against Orks, Chaos or even Tyranids. And it gets even better. When the Civilians do not perform to a certain standard, which is that of a seasoned Veteran, they kill a good chunk of the remaining Civies after the battle. The Iron Hands are idiots through and through.

​@@ric270She was a civilian forcefully drafted and expected to perform as well as a fucking Scion.

Top 3 Space Marine Battle book for me

A top 5 40k timeline space marine book for me. And one of the 5 I recommend to people interested in space marines

This was a deserter, and the guard already betrayed the Imperium once during this very war, this particular Iron Hand was among the few kinda nice ones in his chapter, but even he was done with all the bs in this conflict.

@@AlphagonOmegarius And what should the Iron Hand's punishment be for letting the situation get this bad in the first place?

@@DerekS-kq3zh nothing, they're astartes, FIRST founding astartes, that's like almost royalty among royalty.

@@AlphagonOmegarius And that's why I can't get into 40k. If I wanted stories of over privileged powerful people hurting others and facing no consequences, I'd watch the news.

@@DerekS-kq3zh look, if you're new to 40k and you come from a more "vanilla" (for lack of a better term) setting that's fine, i recomend you start with Tau lore, there's a lot to like in 40k but fairness is not one of those things, the whole thing of the grimdark settings is that "everybody suffers yet we all keep moving foward" is the beauty of the struggle. Now i understand this is not for everyone, it's cool if you don't like it, thanks for giving it a chance anyway! 😁👍

A salamander would be comforting her with hugs as he lets her vent out her sorrow of losing her comrades during their defense

Sadly she was a deserter, so the salamander would've just let her commisar do what commisars do.

​@@AlphagonOmegarius honestly,he would have done the exact same thing. Salamanders are extra friendly to loyal civilians,but they would kill any traitor with extreme prejudice. Feel like the memes about them being nice undersell them a lot

@@sokratikas I agree!! They get painted like they are nice to everyone and while they are very protective of the Imperium's citizens they can be as violent as any of the chapters when it comes to its enemies.

@@drunknnirish even more sometimes

Yes she did. She was part of the loyal hive rebels but she abandoned her men and friend who pushed forwards and died. But to be fair the Iron Hands had been wasting troops throughout the story, from the warhawks to a number of armoured units to 3 warhounds. The iron hands pushed too hard and the guard+ mechanicus had had enough at that point.

@@martinford4553 to be fair to the iron hands, there was a bit of a time crunch to stop the demonic incursion I believe

@@Shadowseer7930 true that Emperor Children captain from the horus Heresy books was turning to a deamon Prince if I'm right. Still it was one of the grey areas. They probably pushed the guard and mechanicus too far and saved too much of their own assests till the end.

...Concur!

Perhaps your logic is flawed.

She was a deserter, the logic was sound.

This is 40K, we don't get that kind of story often... a damn shame.

If it's not a crimson fist or salamander, don't get your hopes up.

If it’s not a crimson fist or a salamander, don’t expect anyone to be merciful

@@Goblinhandler the blue bois used to be nice to regular folks too, but it looks like primaris marines look down on humans in the same way the admech does, and since over 90% of the ultrabois are primaris now, is safe to assume that they're no longer in the "mortals are cool" team 😔

Iron Hands suppress their humanity on purpose, you'll not see any other astartes doing this other than the Marine's Malevolent.

And yet it was the most sensible thing to do. To lose any type of morale and not letting warth destroy them as it did to Ferrus.

Oh please Ferrus's idiot 'ideology' of survival of the fittest without even understanding what that means already doomed them. Such a shit primarch.

I was looking for this, finally a reasonable comment showing background information ppl can look up on.

THANK YOU Someone who actually READS lore and doesn't just call themselves a "40k fan" after watching a couple videos on YT. God, I hate the new bandwagon of fans hopping on due to memes and KZfaq. They're so stupid.

@@Eye_Of_Odin978 careful now, these are actual fans and not tourist/activist The problem comes with 60 sec shorts and the fact lore is so fractured due to diffrent writers and cherry picked lore. Hell, even wrath of iron had its own problem like IH mindlessly going iron warrior and wasting up to 3 warhound titans and thousand of manpower. We also got alot of books that are grimderp and sometimes grimdark but borderline derp. And then we have that alot of fans have diffrent taste of grimdark, some want pure black and other want something akin to yarrick, cain and or gaunt. Aka sparks of sweet hope in a bleak galaxy of war.

@@funbro99 Lol no. There's no different writers here for the story. It's just one. The problem is with youtubers who make video not giving context leading to scene.

@@RandomPerson-tz7wk the comment was meant for overall 40k not this specific short

I'm relatively new to 40k, but I have read around 15 books and listen to luetin09 while working, but I'm surprised at how much people misunderstand the lore and series. So many "fans" comment how shocked they are at something as simple as execution for desertion. Heck execution was common in almost all militaries on earth and people are shocked that a authoritarian theocracy practices it?

fled from suicidal charge where IH were using guard as nothing but a meatwave fodder to save theyr own numbers over and over again ... such a briliant use of time and resources, killing off few individuals who realized they ae being thrown into a meatgrinder to die ... things like this is what prevents WH40k from being taken seriously at all, edginess for the sake of edginess becomes cringe

No. No it doesn't. Come on man THIS shit is the reason people turn to chaos in DROVES. And if you hadn't realized commisars ARE assholes excluding few.

W40K Fans not justifying war crimes (challange: Impossible)

@@dirnoff1226it s not a war crime if she is a traitor

​@@dirnoff1226dude killing deserters is not a war crime, if you kill pows it is, also it Warhammer 40k, in this case her desertion could have possibly let a literal demon enter reality

@@ric270 Depends. Did she get conscripted? There's nothing wrong with a conscript running away.

So you kill the survivors of the battle????? This goes against the principles of even that nonsense ideology. These are the SURVIVORS, the ones who WERE strong. And you just killed them. If every army killed soldiers who lost a single battle there would be fewer soldiers and even fewer veterans. Prowess in battle is honed through experience and you can’t get experience if you are dead

Except he wasn't a complete lunatic like his sons

Oh and what constitutes strenght? Because last I checked all our tech is built by mostly noodle armed people not hulking monsters 😂. Ferrus's 'ideology' is a 1st grade understanding of 'survival of the fittest'

I can see now why he and Fulgrim got along.

@@berilsevvalbekret772 Strength does not imply physical attributes alone. To be strong is to be intelligent, to have willpower, spirit, dedication and dicipline. Ferrus Manus was all of those and more. He was a Genius inventor and forgesmith. He didn't want lazy, selfish, weakwilled and corrupt people to live on and rule because those attributes are always followed by the degradation of civilization. The iron hand Shot that woman because she was hoping for a saviour instead of being a saviour herself to her people.

I get the other chapters, but salamanders?

Yeah, y Salamanders? Don't get me wrong, I love me some Eldar or Tau xenopussy, but as far as I'm aware, Salamanders are the closest thing in 40k to Geneva compliant doting uncles, they're literally memed for being most chill

@@Flame4516 due to littery killing their enemies in the most inhumane possible at this years time, with pyromania. For they use incinerator base weapons mercilessly.

The kans? They are littery space horse mounted mongols, if the mongols where bad in our rl history just imagine what they did behinf closer close doors, they where nick “the laughing killers” after all. However their scout, hit n runs and fast strikes tactics on warfare might been the less ruthless methods behind the pre heresy- emperor children compare to their brothers but still ruthless none the less.

Nah, the Blood Angels aren't even that bad. They're only held back by the fact that their geneseed flaw can make them rage. But when the Black Rage isn't forcing them into literal violent psychosis, the lore states very frequently that "you'll scarcely find more disciplined and devoted warriors to the Imperium" Even Dante is one of the most honorable and well-respected Commanders in the entire Adeptus Astartes From what we see in the Space Hulk games, Blood Angels are the Chapter that clears the most Space Hulks which is one of the hardest duties for Astartes. The Blood Angels are tragic heroes that are constantly dogged and kept away (for semi-good reasons) away from the rest of the Imperium because of their geneseed flaw.

Well, blue isnt so bad either, and if they prefer axes, have beards to the ground and Wolf pelts as decorations, you also have a considerably chance of mercy...

Wow, it's a green space marine. REPENT MOTHERFUCKER !

the yellow ones with the funny checker board for a shoulder are neat too, but if they start calling people horse or whatever you should probably get outta there

She ran from battle and let her brothers and sisters in arms die while she ran. She fought for no one (I am going by what the book said not the out of context short)

or do you

They just couldn't do it without a space marine

I do, I mean I don’t agree with their personality, rather I just like their way with war of using heavy machinery and bionics. Though in case if you get mad they’re my second fav loyalists the raven guard are at the top for me.

One hive world celebrated when they were freed from Tau rule only to be brutally punished for not fighting back down to the last man. This lead to such a terrible and costly uprising that the empire, space marines and even the goddamn inquisitors had to revise their policies on returning conquered worlds back to the fold. The Adepta Sororitas see much better success.

@tenjenk yeah see that's the type of shit that needs to go

To be fair. She had it coming. She ran away durning the final battle. The people she fought with died with honor while she ran. Even a commissar would have killed her in the same situation. The reason the IH are punishing the planet itself is because the PDF had allowed chaos to rule it and the IG forces that were fighting along side the IH also betrayed at the last battle.. so yeah. Loads of betrayal here. There is no good guy

@@DeadGothicRedYeah this is why I say the iron hands are best suited for taking back worlds that have already been lost to enemey hands.

@@linkdancer3890 I agree lol