A Unique Partnership: Czech Mausers for Ethiopia after WWII
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After World War Two, the Czech economy was in serious need of money to recover from the ravages of war. The arms factory at Brno was not bound by the same restrictions as German manufacturers, and still had a production line for the Mauser K98k, which they had been making for the Wehrmacht. Eager to bring in some hard currency, Brno continued to produce rifles on that German tooling, and sold them internationally. One of the not well known buyers was Israel, but another was Ethiopia (which also acted as the transit point for the shipments bound for Israel).
These rifles used remaining inventory of receivers already marked with German arsenal codes, as well as other parts that had been manufactured during the war, so some will have waffenamt’d small parts. The trigger guards and magazine floor plates presented a problem, however, as these had been supplied by German factories during the war. So, Brno tooled up its own design, with a stamped floor plate reminiscent of the American 1903A3 and a large stamped trigger guard to allow for use with thick gloves. On this Ethiopian contract, a stock disc was added to each right stamped with an image of St George slaying the dragon, an Ethiopian national symbol.
Thanks to InterOrdnance for giving me access to this rifle to bring to you!
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@tehgreatvak 4 жыл бұрын
Love the irony of the winter trigger guard that doesn't get used on the eastern front but becomes mandatory for Ethiopia. (okay sure they do have plateaus that are a bit more temperate than the arid and hot plains but still)
@javajav3004 2 жыл бұрын
Oh trust me bro it’s still a overreaction lol
@michaelw.urbansr.8617 10 ай бұрын
Well you do realize that even North Africa and other deserts get very cold at night. I can believe in some parts of the country it got very cold at night. Cold enough for gloves. Plus Ethiopia wasnt the only country these rifles were going. They were selling them to other Communist countries with are all in colder climtes. So even if Ethiopia didnt get cold it is much easier and faster to get your finger on the trigger with that enlarged trigger guard! I would love another of these guns!!! lol
@Tobascodagama 4 жыл бұрын
"We're here to liberate you from the Italians!” "Cool, thanks! Can we keep some of their stuff to defend ourselves?" "LOL, no. We might want to unliberate you later."
@mahadljama4578 4 жыл бұрын
they were both empire fought in somaliland the ogaden region is somaliland Ethiopia were expanding towards somali-italian territory but lost badly the allied always disfavour Italy because they were on the axis side.
@jankopransky2551 4 жыл бұрын
A Jewish guy once told me: "I like you czechs for two reasons. First- when we needed guns, you were the only one willing to sell. Second- you asked a three times normal price for that, which is exactly what we would do."
@robosoldier11 4 жыл бұрын
Jan Kopřanský funny enough I listened to a presentation from a woman doing a study on American Jewish pilots that helped support israel during one of the Arab conflicts. Where they bought German Messerschmitt fighter planes from ww2 from the Czechs. Pretty interesting stuff.
@samuel88andrews 4 жыл бұрын
Wait the Czechs charged 3× the normal price?!?!? Damn I gotta get into smuggling.
@captainswoop8722 4 жыл бұрын
What who would do?
@FirstDagger 4 жыл бұрын
@@robosoldier11 ; Egyptian Spitfires fighting Israeli Avia S-199 (licensed production Messerschmidt Bf-109s) and Israeli Spitfires.
@Ashmoleon2006 4 жыл бұрын
@@robosoldier11 the father of paul reubens aka peewee herman was one of the pilots who flew those messherschmitt planes for israel
@alanvonify 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you Czech these out
@markwalshopoulos 4 жыл бұрын
The reason why Ian says "in the years after 1948"is because before the 1948 coup Czechoslovakia was a democratic country, not a communist one
@CzechoslovakGunStories 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly... even though there was a huge influence of Moscow even before that... They slowly took control of several ministries and both army and police... What a pity general Patton had to stop in the western Czechoslovakia... Things could have been different for us... :)
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I need to review my European history post WW2, I thought the Czechs got absorbed by the Soviets at the end of the war!
@AshleyPomeroy 4 жыл бұрын
@@ScottKenny1978 From what I remember the Czech parliament resigned in protest at the USSR's continual meddling in their affairs - which turned out to be totally the wrong thing to do, because the Soviets just replaced them with pro-Soviet politicians.
@ISELLSALT 3 жыл бұрын
actually socialist democratic, not communist
@markwalshopoulos 3 жыл бұрын
@@ISELLSALT what do you think the Prague spring was
@justincarrasco3680 4 жыл бұрын
These videos on Ethiopia’s weapons have been excellent.
@splunky6314 4 жыл бұрын
The Mauser is like the ak47 before the ak47. Gotta love 'em.
@mitchellline3398 4 жыл бұрын
And the rolling block was the mauser before the mauser
@mrijk1946 4 жыл бұрын
Same with the p38
@JudahMaccabee_ 4 жыл бұрын
I bought one a year ago and I've been handling it every single day since. I am a friggin Mauser 98k junkie.
@so2bk 4 жыл бұрын
Lucas, you are absolutely right. I am from Ethiopia. Both My dad & uncle used to have Mausers (we call it Chekoz) & they used to love it to death. Guess what! Both traded it for AK47 when AK47 arrived lately.
@G-Mastah-Fash 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrijk1946 The Bundeswehr still uses them for training.
@FolgoreCZ 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. Until you said it at 5:35, I completely zoned out and was just enjoying the history lesson and forgot this is supposed to be about a gun. :-D
@Papafreud94 4 жыл бұрын
Exact same !
@RaduB. 4 жыл бұрын
Ditto!
@tomt810 4 жыл бұрын
The story is more interesting than the gun itself
@so2bk 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine myself being from Ethiopia. My all time questions got answer here by accident.
@logical-checkmate 3 жыл бұрын
@@so2bk Cheers from the Czech republic. Question, do you guys still view Czechs as friends?? 😉
@toledo152 4 жыл бұрын
For those who don’t know I.O. bought a shit ton of rifles from Ethiopia. These items were stacked like cordwood in shacks barely kept out of weather.
@samuel88andrews 4 жыл бұрын
Are we talking mausers / bolt guns or semiautos?
@wingracer1614 4 жыл бұрын
@@samuel88andrews From what I have seen, it was mostly these Ethiopian Mausers with just a few oddball others thrown in.
@shawnr771 4 жыл бұрын
Cool.
@peterwelsh6975 4 жыл бұрын
Luckily sun, heat, dry and dusty isn't terribly hard on guns.
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
@@samuel88andrews yes. Oli at IO said he found some mas49s.
@jindrichfischer2331 4 жыл бұрын
We were making mauser style rifles in Brno since 1920ies the vz. 23 and vz, 24 which were well received, I think that we sold them to Lithuania, China and Argentine. So the tooling was there even before the war, we just got even more of it left over.
@USSEnterpriseA1701 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the 98/22 which was a slight modification from the German G98 and I believe made on an entire Imperial German production line that was sent either as aid or reparations.
@DOMINIK99013 4 жыл бұрын
@@USSEnterpriseA1701 Production lines were bought, the first to produce 300 rifles a day in 1919 for 3 141 292 Marks from Obendorf, because the Germans were not allowed to produce weapons after the war and began to fall into a difficult economic situation in Brno came to work a lot of German experts. Like these which rifles were not made after the war so completely, vz 98 and 98/22 had parts of the war production of unfinished rifles from Obendorf
@USSEnterpriseA1701 4 жыл бұрын
@@DOMINIK99013 Ah, that's right. I'm a bit rusty on my Czech Mausers, Serbian and Yugoslav are more my area of deep study, though there is some overlap, like the M24(c) as Yugoslavia called it.
@khalgren 4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love Czech firearms, over the last 20+ years I've put together a small collection of them. Their quality is excellent, and even better they always have interesting stories behind them. I love learning as much as I can about them. These Ethiopian Czech Mausers are definitely on my to-buy list.
@jindrichfischer2331 4 жыл бұрын
@@khalgren I plan on building my own collection :) but I am still too young for firearms permit, what a shame, still a year to go.
@TheDoorspook11c 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, history is literally written in the implements of violence and war. You, sir, are an awesome curator to that varied and often pixilated pieces of seemingly unconnected history! - Just an Old History Teacher
@GrumblingGrognard 4 жыл бұрын
Ethiopian troops very much *did* serve in the Korean War, and Halle Saale was quite anti-communist for personal/religious reasons. From Wiki: "The Ethiopian Kagnew Battalions were successive battalions which fought as part of the United Nations Command during the Korean War. Members of Kagnew Battalion were, with few exceptions, drawn from the Ethiopian Imperial Bodyguard Division." -- I was under the impression they were taken DIRECTLY from his personal guard as units and transferred to the US military, but I may be wrong.
@LuvBorderCollies 4 жыл бұрын
Yes the Ethiopians were in Korea and at the front lines, mostly infantry. My dad was in the 7th Inf Div in 1953 and the Ethiopians were near his locale as well as Brits and Turks.
@warrenlehmkuhleii8472 4 жыл бұрын
Ethiopian: Wait, this is not German. Other Ethiopian: What’s the difference? They both drink beer.
@yes-fx3pq 4 жыл бұрын
Wat
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 4 жыл бұрын
Czechs drink more beer per capita than any other nation , - last time I looked anyway. And this list includesGermans, Australians, and New Zealanders.
@shawnr771 4 жыл бұрын
@@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus Yep just looked Czechs are No1., followed Namibia, Austria and Germany is No 4.
@AviacionBolivianaNet 4 жыл бұрын
8:45 loving Ethiopia more with every update.
@jontee3437 4 жыл бұрын
You know, when this first started I was like ehh another mauser, cool but whatever, but the more videos Ian does on these, the more interesting they become. I never really knew much about all the history behind these particular mausers and it fascinates me. I just wish I could actually afford to buy one of them. Unfortunately the ridiculous prices classic and other sellers want for them has it assured that I will almost certainly never have one.
@leticiabraun2909 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the long intro- which is why I love this channel so much ! So much to learn from all the long winded paths these weapons take.
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 4 жыл бұрын
The Brno’s were good quality. I owned a VZ33 carbine that regularly shot sub MOA many years ago with 170gr Speer bullets. It was in practically new condition with a higher build quality than this : machined bottom-metal , bands , etc., and was finished in a good lustrous blue . I think it was made around 1936 , but could be wrong there. This one would be a good , functional rifle though.
@charlesadams1721 4 жыл бұрын
While I'll agree that your VZ was much better quality than what this post-war rifle shows (the crudely welded parts, etc) I'd bet that it was in pretty good order when new. This rifle shows the effects of 50 or so years of storage in Ethiopian goat sheds pretty well. And to think this is probably one of the better examples. Nice historical rifles nonetheless.
@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus 4 жыл бұрын
My nephew has a couple of the plywood stocked Brno Kar98’s which appear to be similar in every way to this Ethiopian job. They’re actually in really nice condition and well made too. I believe the stamped components and ply were necessary due to material shortages and the need to expedite production. I rebarreled a very late WW2 BYF Mauser ( I believe this was code for Obendorf ? ) , this one was very hastily built at a time when the B17’s and Lancasters were probably visiting. The receiver mortise and threads were nearly 1 degree off axis , which made it tricky to draw up , but it still shot well in 308. A true-up of the receiver face and internal shoulder, threads, and lug abutments got it sorted.
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesadams1721 I've got one and finish wise this is better than mine but I'll take it cause the bore on mine is pristine, also got intact kreigsmodell code swp45
@Guhonter 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic history lesson, I made sure to like the video this time! So often I forget to, but your quality of work is outstanding, so I should at least acknowledge that.
@craniusdominus8234 4 жыл бұрын
Czech-made German guns for Ethiopia? Damn, that's an ambitious cross-over episode
@andrewray6262 5 ай бұрын
Wait until he does a video on the Austrian made Dutch mannlicher M.95 for use by their colonial troops in Indonesia which were later all converted to .303 British after their independence
@commandZee 4 жыл бұрын
LOVE love love the extra historical context you provided this episode!
@tomredd9025 2 жыл бұрын
I have an identical Czech Brno Mauser but without the Ethiopian St. George seal and also it has the stock take down disc rather than the hole in the butt plate. It is my understanding that the Brno factory had a lot of left over K98k parts that they assembled after the war. Mine is almost totally scrubbed except for the Brno factory markings and the Czech lion. However, after disassembly, I did find one small German marking that they missed under the receiver. So basically, the rifles were a mix and match between WW II production and early post war production.
@kariarabellalassauniere402 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Forgotten Weapons! This is why I watch your shows. It's awesome to hear the history of these things.
@therugburnz 4 жыл бұрын
Thanx for the forgotten weapons education and the historical facts also. Good show.
@gwin2719 4 жыл бұрын
Really good history told through this 98' Love your videos Ian, keep em comin!
@tomasteply1956 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I had to go all the way here to your channel to learn some histrory of my country. You really make a great content. Thanks Greetings from Czech republic
@kb7.62 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Keep it long winded please, we love information
@CatalinaThePirate 4 жыл бұрын
Yet another wholly intriguing and fascinating story.😏 Ian, the depths to which you go to give us the history behind a piece is admirable. Bravo! 😊
@bettt6991 4 жыл бұрын
Great background Info about the world poletics specially Ethiopia during and after the war. Thank you!
@kurtb2522 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Ian. I picked up this exact weapon from Classic FA a few days before this posted. The history you share is a wonderful compliment to the weapon. Mine seems nicer than what I saw offered at IO, but somewhat pricey. St. George, Ride on!
@manjitsoni9676 4 жыл бұрын
ਬੁਹਤ ਵਧੀਆ ਢੰਗ ਨਾਲ ਹਰ ਹਥਿਆਰ ਦੀ ਜਾਣਕਾਰੀ ਦਿੰਦੇ ਹੋ ਵੀਰੇ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਇਹ ਮਾਉਜਰ ਦੀ ਰਾਈਫਲ ਜੋ ਯੁਗੋਸਲਾਵੀਆ ਦੀ ਬਣੀ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ ਬੁਹਤ ਵਧੀਆ ਲਗੀ ਬਸ ਟਰਾਈਗਰ ਤੇ ਗਾਰਡ ਦਾ ਫਰਕ ਲਗਦਾ ਹੋਰਨਾਂ ਰਾਈਫਲਾਂ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਇਕ ਜੋ ਬੈਚ ਲਗਿਆ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਵੀ ਪਿਹਲੀ ਵਾਰ ਦੇਖਣ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਵੀਡੀਓ ਲਈ ਧੰਨਵਾਦ ਜੀ
@ahmedayoub610 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make an episode in your own distinctive style talk and explain about egyptian rare Aqaba (Akaba) SMG submachinegun, sorry for my poor english
@maxwell120L55 4 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/or93p8tzqeDYaKM.html I believe this is the video you're looking for
@michaeltempsch5282 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxwell120L55 Pretty much - differences in the Aqaba, AFAIK, are: no barrel shroud, front sight moved to front of receiver tube, rear sight moved back to keep some sight radius, front sling swivel moved to front left of the bottom "rail", and a sliding wire stock instead of the folding one.
@ahmedayoub610 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaeltempsch5282 You are really great, and you have identified the important points of akapa, I wish Mr. Ian McCollum provided us with a workshop in which to explain the machine in practice ، Thank you very much for your response and interest And please accept my apologies for my poor English
@ahmedayoub610 4 жыл бұрын
@@maxwell120L55 Thank you very much for your response and interest
@ianfurqueron5850 4 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine was working in Ethiopia a few years ago and told me some fascinating stories about day-to-day life there. Seems like a neat country. A few of us were about ready to go there for a visit until the current political strife started and his employer pulled him out.
@javajav3004 2 жыл бұрын
It’s an interesting place for sure. Real estate there is gonna boom
@danshakuimo Жыл бұрын
The civil war there technically ended late last year, hopefully they are on the way to recovery and visiting might be more feasible now and in the future.
@PonchoANS7 4 жыл бұрын
Mexico was one of the countries that opposed Ethiopian's occupation.
@allgodsnomasters2822 4 жыл бұрын
thats very cool
@fetsumm-wassie3970 3 жыл бұрын
And that's precisely why there is a "Mexico Square" in Addis Abeba complete with an Olmec head, the emperor never forgot who stood by him
@Shaleqa_Adenan 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Mexico Russia and few orthodox Christians countries were they were truly honest nations. The rest are still backstabber
@brodiep4360 4 жыл бұрын
Fascinating story very well told.
@colincross1783 4 жыл бұрын
So much history here, for us in Africa it's really interesting. Great stuff, more please.
@ousiavazia 4 жыл бұрын
very nice piece of history, yks ian. this is y i watch ur videos
@j.t.patton7820 3 жыл бұрын
Great History lesson. Thanks Ian.
@alimanski7941 4 жыл бұрын
Story time with Ian, I love it.
@cortd5273 4 жыл бұрын
I love your channel Ian. I love WW2 history.
@jirja3192 4 жыл бұрын
I remember how they also bought Praga AH-IV tankettes and were too scared to use them at first, thinking they are cursed or something.
@marclaplante5679 4 жыл бұрын
jirja3 they used them until the late 1970s; theirs had Diesel engines, and were quite simple and robust. Ideal to deal with tribesmen and border fights with Eritrea.
@jirja3192 4 жыл бұрын
@@marclaplante5679 I know. Longest used tankettes. All were built after war and used welded armor instead of riveted one used on pre war models for Sweden and Romania.
@shawnr771 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thank you for the lesser known history lesson.
@happyhaunter_5546 4 жыл бұрын
Looks a lot like my Yugo M48...which I love and happen to be currently fondling ^_^ can never get to deep into the weeds of different patterns of K98's, just like with 1911's and etc. Thank Ian!
@Athoroughgamer 2 жыл бұрын
Lookin to grab one, how are the Yugos?
@kkklot42 4 жыл бұрын
I love when you give history lessons.
@GunsNGames1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man, I see Mauser I click like.
@leathery420 4 жыл бұрын
I'm simple man, I see Ethiopian flag and I click. Jah Brothers.
@JudahMaccabee_ 4 жыл бұрын
Big time
@michaelrizea3108 4 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with the 98K
@skeetsmcgrew3282 4 жыл бұрын
Really interesting intro, actually more interesting than the gun today!
@nottingham1844 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate anything on Brno arms. My step dad was born there, he had relatives in Czech army. The Germans barged into their home Christmas Eve and took his parents away, burned their home to the ground. He only got back after the war (he fought with the British) was in Czech secret service until ordered to smuggle out the prime minister, never got to go home
@joew6277 2 жыл бұрын
I just picked one of these up today. Has the St. George emblem, trigger guard, looks exactly the same. Stamped dot 1943. Since they are post war i wonder where the 1943 receiver came from.
@edwardconlisk3877 4 жыл бұрын
Just got a dou marked one in awesome condition.
@Bloodreign137 4 жыл бұрын
I just found a whole stash of surplus Ethiopian 8mm Mauser ammo with “1947” on the boxes and head stamped 1955. I wonder if that ammo was originally with these rifles!
@ES90344 4 жыл бұрын
I just received a K98 from IO out of the Ethiopian stocks. Its a DOU 43 with all intact Waffenamts, laminated stock with medallion, no disassembly disk, milled trigger guard, milled floor plate, milled front sling point, stamped from band with spring. Only two parts match. Here's the interesting thing, it appears to have an X stamped near the serial indicating it could be a Russian capture gun.
@peterwelsh6975 4 жыл бұрын
Whatever was tinking against that glass table about drove me NUTS 🤪
@chexlemeneux8790 4 жыл бұрын
I sure hope i come across another k98k , I passed one up a few weeks ago becaise it was very rough shape and they wanted $800 CAD. I bit steep if you ask ne but you dont see many to compare around here.
@reddevilparatrooper 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic rifles!
@AlexandruNicolin 4 жыл бұрын
The Czechs had Mauser G98 production even between wars. ZB vz. 24 was basically a K98k with a straight bolt handle, but besides that, almost identical.
@DOMINIK99013 4 жыл бұрын
No, that K98k was basically vz 33 and vz 12/33 with non straight bolt handle.
@richieb7692 4 жыл бұрын
This is how history should be taught. We should show Forgotten Weapons. in schools. The kids go...Ooh Shiny Boomstick.!! And then absorb all the political reasons that this gun comes into existence
@williamhardway6436 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian. I'm Canadian. I've never even seen a gun. But I watch your channel because you're one of my favourite historians. My question is rather random, but are there any historical military bands or songs that you prefer? I enjoy the second South Carolina string band and Johnny Horton, but I'd love to hear more historical military music.
@williamhardway6436 4 жыл бұрын
By the way, I'm into music from any country. It's just interesting to me. I love history
@ditzylemmon5094 4 жыл бұрын
Super interesting!
@dmg4415 4 жыл бұрын
The Swedes was helping Etiopien with their airforce, some surplus B17 (not the US one) this was a single engine bomber/dive bomber and some variants where photo rec. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_17
@sambaggins2798 4 жыл бұрын
BRNO still making great guns. That new 7.5 of theirs is insane! Now if they can make an affordable version lol.
@johnritchie4801 4 жыл бұрын
Facinating
@wondoson2563 4 жыл бұрын
When is the auction day for this product?
@danhill7525 4 жыл бұрын
It's almost like I was waiting for Ian to post 0.o
@estright9293 2 жыл бұрын
Mine is marked swp45 and has a couple waffenamt
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
I've got one. swp45 it's got waffenamts on barrel receiver and one part of the bolt
@markrowland1366 4 жыл бұрын
New Zealand also developed trade with Checkislovakia. Cars, motorcycles, motor scooters and less visible industrial.
@billbateman340 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, I have a question that iam hoping you can help me with.I have a Yugoslavia 8mm mauser, that has a Z inside of a circle& on the under side of the stock it has A. B inside a circle+ A. 6 inside a circle. Can you or any of your subs tell me what they mean?
@thetalesofdaneandco 4 жыл бұрын
It's interesting to me that so many people pronounce Czechoslovakia with an extra "L" between the "H" and "O" as Ian does.
@michaelw.urbansr.8617 10 ай бұрын
Ok at the least to not make me search all over.....do YOU "forgotten weapons" have ,more info on the VZ24's? I really need to know if there is a way to find out the chambering of the rifle without ,pouring molten metal into it? thanks
@F1ghteR41 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, Czechoslovakian guns were in Ethiopian service even before the war. Take a look at ZH-29 in use of the Life Guard battalion for one example.
@robrocksea 4 жыл бұрын
I am surprised with new production, with the War Production Used/Nearly New surplus, or were they all seized under Allied Occupation? UK,US,USSR and France.
@fetsumm-wassie3970 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an Ethiopian and I remember my grandfather having a mauser gun locally known as "Chekoz" which is probably this model manufactured in Chekoslovakia. Unfortunately it was confiscated by the communist govt around 1975.
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
thats very sad to hear. I can't speak for other Americans but I will treat mine with care and pride
@Cyarrick1 4 жыл бұрын
Czechoslovakia was in the Soviet bloc, as part of the Warsaw Pact, and the other country which didn't recognize the Italian invasion of Ethiopia was the Soviet Union. Something something liberation theory.
@MarvinCZ 4 жыл бұрын
This Mauser deal started a couple years before the "Soviet bloc" was a thing, before the communist coup in Czechoslovakia.
@Cyarrick1 4 жыл бұрын
@@MarvinCZ From 1948 Czechoslovakia was state-Socialist. From 1955 it was a member of the Warsaw Pact. Even if this was 45-48 the country was under significant Soviet pressure
@MarvinCZ 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cyarrick1 This was indeed 45-48. I'm not saying there was no Soviet influence but your explanation was extremely simplistic.
@Cyarrick1 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, the pre-coup government was formed under the auspices of Soviet troops in 1945. Sure they nominally had their own foreign policy, and practice but in reality they were under a clearly close eye from Soviet officials. That's also not to say that later governments didn't have agency either. I'm mostly just pointing out that liberation theory was something the USSR, and Czechoslovakia shared. The deal clearly had practical reasons of course, but the Russians and the Ethiopians went way back (Orthodoxy) and I'd be interested if Soviet officials greased the wheels of the deal.
@DOMINIK99013 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cyarrick1 Country was under significant Soviet pressure, but at this time they dont impose who we are allowed to trade, the export of weapons and other Czechoslovakia has been a thing of the thirties.
@boomr334 4 жыл бұрын
greatest intro ever
@FordGTmaniac 4 жыл бұрын
Huh... I thought the Kar98k I bought this past Christmas looked weird. Aside from that little disc set into the stock and the lack of a sight hood, mine looks exactly like that with the Czech proof markings and winter trigger guard. It's an SWP 45 coded rifle, which if made by Germany would be quite rare and desirable, but now I know that it isn't.
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
I would say that it's more interesting now, but that's me.
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
yes I also have a swp45 ethiopian. best explanation would be using midwar parts that were scrapped (my front and rear sight are both offset but its matching so it still shoots accurately) and simply reused. it also has waffenamts on the barrel, receiver, and bolt.
@Kaboomf 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, for what it's worth I know of at least one ex-German and properly waffenamt-marked rifle with that exact trigger guard and floorplate. It's a late war rifle that found its way into Norwegian service when the Germans left, and later got surplused out to a civillian buyer (then later sporterized into a hunting rifle by my father). No way that part came here from Brno post war, the original German-issued stock was perfectly fitted for that trigger guard which differs a bit from standard ones where it mates with the wood. I'm pretty damned sure that's a late war simplified and improved German or German-approved design rather than a post-war Czehckoslovakian thing.
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of these. swp45. and it has waffenamts on the receiver, barrel, and bolt
@joshy7759 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone know of a particularly good biography on Selassie? He's becoming an increasingly interesting figure...
@georgedone7997 3 жыл бұрын
Would really love to see a material made by Jan on ZB vz. 24 bolt-action carbine. There is material on youtube made by someone else but I like more Jan's style.
@sirgordus 4 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a Walther P 88 pistol in one of your videos!
@CzechoslovakGunStories 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Actually, before the war Czechoslovakia had a lot of firearms manufacturers and Nazi occupation even accelerated that (I just found out one of our local companies that never made firearms was producing Stg. 44 mags during the war) so after the war there was a bunch of companies producing weapons of all kinds. They were also not damaged by the war so fully operational after the war. On top of that lots of Nazi units were in the Czechoslovakia when the war ended and so their equipment remained here as well... The new Czechoslovak army did not want that stuff though as they started a series of trials for new service firearms from pistols to machineguns. So all this stuff - milsurp as well as new was for sale. And especially to Israel we sold A LOT of this stuff. I plan to make a video on my channel on that as it was an interesting story. ;)
@khalgren 4 жыл бұрын
Nice channel! Niche topic but one I very much enjoy, you have a new subscriber here.
@Mikhail-Tkachenko 4 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on the CZ-27 pistol
@CzechoslovakGunStories 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mikhail-Tkachenko that's in my queue definitely.... Currently I am reading an amazing book on its history... A lot of interesting stuff... Once finished there's gonna be a video indeed ;)
@khalgren 4 жыл бұрын
@@CzechoslovakGunStories I own a CZ-24, pre-war of course, and the fit and finish inside is astoundingly good. You can tell it was built to handle 9mm parabellum was over-engineered for .380 ACP/9mm Browning. The move to a blowback-only action for the CZ-27 seems natural. I'd love to compare pre-war, wartime, and post-war models of the 27. From what I've seen you can definitely see how the Nazis tried to blot out any sense of national identity and pride in the marking and manufacturing during their occupation and it's interesting to see how the Czechs reasserted their identity that after the war despite the privations they must have been working under. So much history is hinted at just in the nature of the changes we see in the manufacturing, I'd love to know more detail but with the passing of most of that generation I'm sure much is now lost to memory.
@handlebullshit 4 жыл бұрын
Large trigger guards for use with gloves, must have been excellent in Ethiopia.
@wingracer1614 4 жыл бұрын
There are mountains in the interior. Kind of like how there are ski resorts in Arizona and Nevada.
@henryrodgers7386 4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone recommend a good source for information on identifying Mauser-type rifles? I inherited a few from my father: A BRNO and an FN, and neither has very many markings. My OCD twitches... I must know their model designations. EDIT : So I think my BRNO might be one of these. The trigger guard is the same, and it has the two little lion stamps. The only other markings are the BRNO maker's mark on the left side of the receiver, and '4080' over a 'J' on the left of the chamber. The stock is also very interesting. It looks like laminate. It's shiny and has the Kriegsmodell buttplate. The roundel appears to have been removed, or it might not have had one. Both the stock and the base of the bolt handle are marked '18 M'. Sadly the front of the stock was sporterized at some point, so all the furniture is AWOL, but the front sight is identical. Any help would be much appreciated! I can't afford a $50 Mauser book. (Oh, and I THINK it's an 8mm, for what it's worth. The FN is 30-06, IIRC.)
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
FN, .30-06, and little markings sounds just like a Colombian mauser as they converted FN mausers to .30-06
@Lambotino 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@opie7afe 4 жыл бұрын
Ian, did IO bring in these ishapore .410 muskets from africa? Century is selling them even if the wood is trashed.
@garrisonandrew9862 4 жыл бұрын
So were the Czechs using already marked receivers or marking them in the German style after the war? having the code DOU means nothing to the czechs at that point.
@MarvinCZ 4 жыл бұрын
It's a code, it doesn't have to "mean" anything. It's an established identifier. There is no pressing need to change it.
@DOMINIK99013 4 жыл бұрын
Not all of these post-war Mausers were made so completely after the war...
@khalgren 4 жыл бұрын
I imagine they were assembled from mixes of wartime and post-war manufactured parts. Like the barrel bands he mentioned having the screw holes - they wouldn't have bothered with that if they weren't going to use them, but small and simple parts like that were probably made in extremely large batches then stored until needed in the later assembly steps. I'd be pretty confident those came from wartime stockpiles.
@diffsnicker4664 3 жыл бұрын
you are right. mine is swp45 waffenamts on receiver barrel and bolt
@51WCDodge 4 жыл бұрын
Well of course England would want Ethiopia! After all the depiction of our patron saint is exactaly the same.
@bmedlin00 4 жыл бұрын
classic firearms brought a bunch in recently
@jeanniebuchholz9923 4 жыл бұрын
The way I understand it is that IO is bringing them in and going to sell the better stuff and they're going to let Classic sell the ordinary and below stuff. Ian interviewed the owner of IO at SHOT and has a vid on it.
@sinibar5850 4 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know of some good books on Rock Island and/or Springfield?
@marcusaurelius5786 4 жыл бұрын
> Be me > Be Ethiopian Is this the reason why I have such an ingrained LOVE for Czech Firearms???
@Tnetbel 4 жыл бұрын
Love from Ethiopia 🇪🇹
@alanmcconnaughey2698 4 жыл бұрын
Why are the stocks so dark on the Ethiopia rifles?
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
Stored in conditions you could barely call out of the weather for decades.
@kuf3320 4 жыл бұрын
I just heard a story that never had before about the ethiopia soldiers fought at korean war.... this was also related with usa.
@spiritof78 4 жыл бұрын
They didn't fight in Korea, it was just an offer which the US refused.
@redrabbit762 4 жыл бұрын
The did. Just google “Kagnew Battalion”...
@shawnr771 4 жыл бұрын
@@spiritof78 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kagnew_Battalion Fought with US 7th Inf Division.
@LuvBorderCollies 4 жыл бұрын
@@spiritof78 Wow!! Ignorance!!! The Ethiopians were in Korea, they were near my dad's area along with Turks and Brits. My dad was an infantryman in the 7th Infantry Div 1953.
@Eduardo_Espinoza 4 жыл бұрын
3:23 Italy did the most Italian thing lol
@thegoldencaulk2742 4 жыл бұрын
Think I.O. stumbled onto any ZH-29s when they were in Ethiopia?
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
This is just the first shipment.
@nikolaiplayz9795 2 жыл бұрын
I've got one of these
@whatfreedom7 4 жыл бұрын
Odd the Ethiopian version has a large trigger guard for glove use in Africa but the German one didn’t.
@derekdziobek5998 4 жыл бұрын
8:27 Remembrancer rendition of the God Emperor of Mankind entombing the Void Dragon on Mars.
@aussiebloke609 4 жыл бұрын
That was an uncharacteristic amount of history before getting to the actual weapon in question. Is this really Ian, or has Othias trimmed his beard and grown his hair? :-D
@Mikhail-Tkachenko 4 жыл бұрын
War weren't declared tho
@ScottKenny1978 4 жыл бұрын
Had to have been Ian, he never said war were declared.
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