"healthier business practices"? GW makes billions of dollars in profits. You don't understand how capitalism works do you?

I suspect he does, more successful games in the same market would encourage GW to be more customer friendly as that would help retain their margins. In theory anyway.

@@MiniatureMasterClass short term yes but a healthy business also needs to be good for the customers to be sustainable

@@s.scottstaten1852 also by lowering prices and changing certain components of their business model would make it more likely for people to become involved and so even though they charge less they're moving dramatically more products and turning a better profit

@@MiniatureMasterClass I think you mean millions, they aren't anywhere near big enough to make billions.

What's your thoughts on a paint "medium" video ? Putting your special skill set to use explaining what they are and what properties they add to the paint and finish. With the ultimate question being "Do we really even need to use them ?" Or is water the best all around additive. Thanks for all your amazing content!!

Rematch at Adepticon 2023 :)

@@jc7997aj And throw in something different like a cheap acrylic pouring medium to see if it does the job just as well

Maybe not like a full takedown and replacement, but the game is pretty fun and I do know Warhammer players who have 100% switched over. Either way, it’s worth checking out and adding to your game collection. I’m certainly not stopping Warhammer stuff, but this has captured me like other games haven’t!

This game will not be a Warhammer killer since GW did that eight years ago.

@@chestersleezer8821 🤣

Yeah they are really getting it going now! The quality has really gone up and they are listening to their community, very refreshing game!

Locally we have went from no one playing to 15 person tournament. Definitely taken off in Michigan.

I really like the reinforcement part, it feels like there’s something new and exciting for each turn! Those low rolls are super tough to get used to, i do kinda wish it wasn’t like that, but I get how they wanted to stand out.

is it weird to get a game where you spend half of it 20% down though through the randomness of adding models to the table only on a dice roll?

@@hawkthetraveler6344 Never really thought of it that way. I like the tension and opportunity it presents turn to turn. I was playing my buddy a couple weeks ago, he was Wadruhn. I knew I had to get planted on objectives before he brought his Apex Predators on! He had 2 on his list just waiting off the table. I was also kinda holding back a couple of stands of Force Grown drones to tie one up when it came into the game, I play Spires mostly. I play a couple different games and this one just feels different enough at the moment to take a majority of my focus.

I almost went for that army but Brent beat me to it lol. I am really digging the Old Dominion stuff though!

I've yet to play that game, it's definitely on my list though, I've heard too many good things about it!

I've looked at using the Freemen for chaos marauders seeing as ASoIaF are both 28mm but I might even start an army for ASoIaF as well.

It’s hard to fit other games into a GW centric market, this one is well worth it!

I'd definitely say that the resin is better than most of the FW models I've gotten. Really smooth and the details are good. Still, I'm glad they are switching to plastic for some of them because it's just easier to work with. The scale is weird to get used to, but I ended up with a ton of extra bits off of the sprues and the more true scale nature of these models makes it seem like I could easily put some of the weapons and arms onto an AOS model and it wouldn't look out of place. I didn't even think about the sprues on the website, that would be a nice addition to see in the future. The company is still young, but I think they are really going places, and small upgrades like that, as well as a faster site, more currencies, etc., are probably things we will eventually see.

Most of the Conquest minis are in plastic and they're switching all of them to plastic

Yeah, I disliked the scale choice, it puts people off trying the game with proxies and limits players to one manufacturer. So basically the worst aspects of GWs business strategy.

This game deserves more attention for sure

That's true, but I prefer to layer a brighter metallic over it as a highlight to make up for it, and even still, you would have to brush on the varnish.

thans for the scoop I wouldn't have thought it would be that big of a deal. I just assumed it was so GW couldn't claim they were trying to steal their business, or to learn from GW business practices by using trademarked race names and a different scale from the start so that mantic or other basement model companies that don't really focus on rules couldn't sell to their customers? Just speculating.

Very cool! Welcome to the hobby :) Lucky your local store has a pre owned section, that’s not something you see in every store :)

@@eBayMiniatureRescues Thank you, and yeah I'm very lucky. They sell them for a decent price and they've had some cool stuff my favorite find still is my fine cast wood elf Highborn with great weapon

Much appreciated! I also have a ton of Fyreslayers I need to get to. Good luck on those dwarves!!

@Nix91 Yeah, I agree. It's a shame too since a bunch of Conquest's models have unique and appealing designs. Rules wise; the activation order is a neat twist. Different than SW: Legion or Bolt Action. To be fair, Legion has a somewhat bespoke scale too. But, at least it's only competing with itself for a Star Wars wargame.

Yes, the size is the only one issue I'd still have no Conquest miniature - but they look so awesome on the tabletop!

If you put the old Warhammer Fantasy and 40K models next to each other, they are a completely different scale so your point is kinda moot.

@Nix91 I understand your point. But dead end sounds bit too overestimated. That lines like conquest lead nowhere? You are less likely to use some of them in other games, but they are still their own thing. Plus lot of models (largely from the W’adrhun and the Spires) are pretty usable in heroic. Especially in rank and flank games.

@@anakon It's almost like the industry as a whole has moved forward together, producing miniatures and accompanying terrain to match a narrow band of scale. 28 - 32 mm true scale or heroic. With SW Legion being the only real outlier, yet still fits 40k scale terrain. It's the same reason I don't care to get into Titanicus or Epic: I'd rather not have to purchase an entire new set of terrain to play one game system with. 3rd party miniatures are also easier to purchase. Easier to test out a game system with models you already have. There's a reason most of the Conquest models went on discontinued sale a few months from when they released. Most rank and file folks are playing Game of Thrones, 9th Edition, or Kings of War.

Thanks! Yeah I’m really liking the old dominion stuff, I got the starter built but I’ve yet to open any other models. It may be a while before I get to painting, but I’m feeling pretty motivated for now!

just curious, why do you wish they weren't larger scale? Because you can't use them as proxies in GW games, or because they don't fit terrain or other RPG minis?

They are soo good, one of my new favorites!

I'm jealous! I'm hoping to see them this year, but the closest they are coming for me is Aftershock in California, and they play first...out of 4 days.

That would be fun

Just wanted to keep you on edge lol. I noticed it during editing, lucky it didn't end up falling off!

I’m really digging that band right now :)

I agree. They really need to up their game on the store. I found it fine to navigate, but I wish the pictures of the models could be magnified to see them closer, and they really need to include pictures of their sprues so you know what extras come with each box. They do a pretty good job at listening to their community and have made changes in the past, you should see what their old boxes looked like, you didn't even know what you were buying, but now they present it more like we are used to, so there's hope that they will continue to upgrade and make things like this a non-issue!

Eventually, I want to shrink this down and put it in my pocket, the trick will be making tiny cards to go with each unit :)

Love them! I keep trying to get their other shirts but they sell out so quick.

I've only played a little, but it was immensely satisfying! One of my local clubs has a Conquest night I've been meaning to attend...I'd like to play more lol

@@eBayMiniatureRescues It is a fun game, the rules are better then warhammer let me tell you.

It makes sense, it still throws me off though lol

Statues would work, but you might be surprised how closely things match up even in 28mm. Conquest seems to be more 38mm true scale, so the heads and arms are a little bit smaller, unlike Warhammer where things are heroic scale so the arms and heads are beefy.

And that's after I've cleaned it many times lol, that thing gets caked in paint! lol can't skip bear day, no sir.

Hahah, I know I know, but it’s just so good!!

The models I was building had a good amount of head and arm options. It's still rank and file, so bodies are limited, which I wish was different, but I get it. I did end up with an absolute ton of leftover bits, and I like that a lot. The character models are pretty static, but even seeing the new kits that are coming out it looks like that's changing, they look more dynamic and come with extra bits. The takeaway for me is that the company is growing and listening to its audience, and that bodes very well for the future of this line.

@@eBayMiniatureRescues Thanks for the quick reply! I'll look at getting one of those Faction Tasters some time.

Tamiya Panel Liner has that brush built right into the cap of the bottle! Very convenient!

The prices aren't that different from GW, but I think that's just where things are at for premium polystyrene models these days. Even Wizkids is charging a premium for their Frameworks kits that compete in the same space. I don't know if that will ever change unless GW changes, and we know that won't happen any time soon, unfortunately.

We're living in different times. With the price of manufacture and shipping going up exponentially, the gap between geedub and other companies' products has definetly narrowed. When you factor in the wide availability of geedub stuff at discount retailers, a large variety of bundle products like battleboxes and launch sets and the saturation of the secondary market, it's really becoming hard to argue that geting into a geedub game is so outragously expensive compared to competitors. Even Mantic Games, who essentially built their entire market presence on being 'budget Warhammers', nowadays isn't that far off in prices per roughly equivalent model or book. It's the same with all tabletop stuff to be honest, even worse if you live somewhere in Europe where the current currency exchange rates are not favorable. Where I live, Star Wars Legion Core Sets are now going for almost twice the price they were released at with no changes in the contents. Players are now asked to fork out almost 200 dollars for a highly produced boardgame like the new Descent or Twilight Imperium or Eclipse or whatever, when ten or even five years ago, an equivalent game would have been around eighty bucks. Meanwhile, geedub prices are staying mostly the same, with infrequent and usually small adjustments of a quid or two on a box every couple years. This all combines into a situation where, after you factor in readily available retailer discounts, 60$ MSRP for a squad of Stormcast or Space Marines, or 200$ for a big battlebox no longer sounds like such a hard ask as it did in, say, 2019.

They look too high until you calculate how much you need for an army. For First Blood (the skirmish version) an army box gets you a full army and decent force for the rank and file version. A full army for the rank and file version would cost around 300-400. Now calculate that for GW :)

Sadly that is just wishful thinking. I have a friend trying to pull me into Conquest, Ive done the math. A lot of very meticulous math. The only way youre getting a full 2000pt conquest army for 300-400 bucks is if you just copy and paste the cheap Spires/100K models from the core box three or four times, and that wont really make for an interesting and ebjoyable game. Besides, you can do the same thing by buying two halves of a launch set, like Dominion Stormcasts or Indomitus Marines or whatever, which would probably run you even cheaper overall. When you factor in geedubs bundle sets (which are a lot more varied and generous than conquests, outside of the 2p starter), retailer discounts (which are not available for conquest in many places in the world) and the secondary market (which is pretty much non existent for conquest outside of people splitting the starter), the numbers become quite comparable. Theres give either way of course, you can build a janky 250 bucks 40k or Sigmar army and you can make an insanely expensive conquest army, but on the whole, the two product lines roughly meet in the middle. The only significant saving you get with Conquest is the rules, since you still need to pay geedub for codexes and such. But even there, you have room to manouever - they strted offering core rules for a lot of their games for free, you can get the codex unlock codes very cheap from people that don't use the apps, there's a lot of books on the secondary market etc. In their comparisons, people often omit the fact that this isn't just about counting up full MSRP for all the stuff. You have a lot of options to get bargains, deals, discounts and workarounds with geedub stuff. Not so for Conquest. Where I live (central Europe), Para Bellum stuff is only available at full MSRP at a grand total of two different retailers. The First Blood argument is a bit disengenous because.at that point, you are comparing a skirmish variant to a full battle game. If you put First Blood next to Kill Team or Warcry, the comparison becomes a lot less favorable. The new First Blood starter set is roughly the price of a Warcry/Kill Team big box (again, before discounts, you can find great deals for geedub stuff but not as much for Para Bellum sets) and while it comes with more models, I'm not sure it's still gonna be enough for a full game while the geedub offering is still better quality, comes with a shedload of terrain, loads of additional accessories and enough miniatures for a full play experience. Conquest is a cool game with cool mechanics and an interesting product line. But let's be real, it's not significantly cheaper to play a full game than geedub's offerings and the models, while better than their initial releases, are still several years behind the manufacturing, design and casting quality of geedub, to which literally nothing else in the market can compare.

If you buy a 2 player set then you have everything you need to play, forever. The rules are free online so you can access the most recent book as well as the skirmish game First Blood, and the models are already compatible with that, it's just a skirmish variation on the main game. You don't need to buy anything else for either unless you want to add to the size of your army. Even in 5 years, everything should still work, even if there is an update to an army or unit, since the rules are free, so are the updates. Miniature games in general aren't like MTG, so a new set isn't required every few months or even years. I've been in and out of miniature games for more than 20 years and I can still use the first minis I ever bought if I want! That being said, there's always a meta, much like Magic, but that only really matters if you want to play super competitively. Conquest is super fun, and the people who make it are really awesome folks. If you've never played a game like this then you are definitely starting on a great foot!

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@@eBayMiniatureRescues Amazing!! Thank you so much for the info. I’m really excited about the game. It looks fantastic and everything I’ve read or heard about the company, is world class.

Tamiya Panel Liner, great stuff!

Legion has a really nice activation system IMO. Good mix of randomness and tactics.

It's Tamiya Panel Liner, really good stuff right out of the bottle, and you get a brush attached to the lid :)

Most of the infantry are still on 25mm bases, which is a little weird for the scale, but the rank and file nature makes them all fit together on the trays. The cavalry and larger monster models are on much larger bases though, 40mm for most, and bigger for the really big stuff. Still smaller than you might expect though.

@@eBayMiniatureRescues thanks 😊

They have some excellent centerpiece models, and yeah that bigger scale is pretty nice change of pace!

Lol, both aos and wacry are downright apalling. Now, kill team is very solid.

Conquest releases 2-5 new stuff per month.

@@anakon And is fair to factions. I played ironjawz in aos for 4 years. They still sit at 3 units. W'adrun, which came last year, have 8 units, almost thrice! So much for releasing a lot of stuff.

I finally bought a copy of x wing, still haven’t played it lol, but I liked the way you activate in that game. Someday I’ll jump into that too :)

@@eBayMiniatureRescues It has a really nice mix of easy to play core mechanics, and a deep card based customization that lets you play in many different ways. thats what I want from a game. The models are.... fine. I wish they were not so locked into their IP so they could explore the game a bit more. but that is what 3D printers are for.

Try Warcry and Killteam, super systems with alternate activations. Also AoS has a reaction system, that kinda helps with the alternating turns. And in AoS the close combat is always alternating.

When I first saw this model that's exactly what I thought, turns out he has a real face!

Yes, different materials have different finishes. But varnishing them to all be the same puts the control back in the brush to differentiate those materials, so cloth can look like cloth and metal can look like metal. It’s more because the different paints and washes all have wildly different finishes that don’t look very good together, so getting rid those and starting from the same place is really the goal.

I'm sure I'll get around to more Conquest videos in the future :)

Fair point, 38mm is not exactly compatible with anything else. Still, I got a ton of leftover bits from the stuff I've been working on and the scale isn't so far off that I wouldn't use the bits for conversions on a Warhammer model. The arms, heads, and weapons, especially, are close enough to still be useful!

That’s certainly a consideration when getting into a new game. Where I am there happens to be a pretty big community for conquest, but until it really goes wide I’m sure it’s gonna be tough.

@@eBayMiniatureRescues If you're located where I think you're located I'm not telling my fiancé. I said if we find two people into the game I'd consider playing it. XD

Always!

they certainly don't sell themselves as a warhammer killer. IMO it helps.

@@thelordkragan1888 agreed. It is only on rare occasions that something new is destined to wipe its predecessors just because it’s in the same genre. Trying to make something different instead of a replacement is less cinical, and more interesting. (IMAO)

AOS is in a good place right now, and I am really into building armies. Conquest is just coming to a place where I see more and more people leaving Warhammer for it, and the communities are building. There's still room for both games to exist, of course, I just think it's worth mentioning that there is something out there that is actually doing really well despite Warhammer. They are just doing cool things and I am really liking the new models :)

I think the problem here is that AOS and Conquest are actually pretty different games... Conquest really is appealing to those WFB players (Olde Worlde?) and not really trying to take the spot of AOS... There is some debate about the First Blood Skirmish game vs AOS... but scale of # of models is vastly different. The other big difference which can't be overlooked is Conquest is NOT an "I-go-with-everything-then-you-go" with a bit of an turn initiative tweak... it's full alternating activation and honestly, that's a way bigger selling point for me than the GW standard. So I think they are really very different games and you could easily play AOS and Conquest (assuming you want that collection!)... lol

Yeah, I'm really liking it so far. Vanguard, very nice! I will definitely let you know if I have any questions, thanks!

Yeah they do, some really cool models in that line!

Good luck with those archers!!!

That has to be my biggest issue with the whole game, it throws me every single time! Other than that, I dig it.

I don't mind roll low as long as its roll low for EVERYTHING. Seems like they still have some rolls that you want hight.

Those orcs are so rad

If you're planning to strip some models this is the best way to do it! It doesn't hurt as an airbrush cleaner too :)

It's become harder and harder to branch out into other game systems. Luckily we are seeing a ton of awesome alternatives with models that are just as good or better, and something like Conquest is hard to pass up!

If there’s enough of a reason to buy into it or the owner then they usually will. One of my local stores bought in pretty hard because there was a demand from a small group of players. Now they have game days for conquest and escalation leagues. Really cool to see the growth from nothing to a full on community!

@@eBayMiniatureRescues they recently got snubbed a lil by GW so they might be interested in branching out.

It'll be cheaper for them rather than make a full injection moulding setup.

@@zulef i know but i don't like to work with resin or maybe i am just too burned out by finecast ... ?

@@anonyme253 Oh yeah, resins a pain

Like some have said, it's cheaper to produce than the polystyrene models, so they opted for that method for the fancier models. That being said, they are taking a lot of those older models, if not all of them, and making them into way nicer plastic kits. The model I worked on in this video just got that treatment and the model looks very nice in comparison, it even addressed the issues I had with some of the details and made them much nicer! The more popular this game has gotten, so has the quality of its models. They definitely seem to be using their profit to create an even better game, and that feels great for the longevity of this game.

All new characters are released in Plastic now, most of the old one are also plastic now.

I bought the new Killteam and played a game, I liked it quite a bit, but I haven't gotten into it enough to really know it yet. And I've always heard so many good things about Mordheim, that's a bucket list game for sure. I've heard that the new Warcry added a lot of old Mordheim stuff to the rules, so I'm really curious to see how that goes.

@@eBayMiniatureRescues Me and the fiance are into Warcry and we really like it until I play Nighthaunt in the Catacombs. Then he hates it. ;-)

They recently switched to a company that really knows how to do Injection molding. It's made a massive difference in the quality of the sculpts and how they come off of the sprue and glue up. The Old Dominion models I've been working on have been great!

This is mostly the reason why GW is so popular. There models are very defining the market and other games struggles with a good miniature range. I have the same problem. The idea behind the armies are cool but the models are not my cup of tea. Same I have with most of the other games… but fingers crossed with more and more 3D printing - more artist gets into it with more and more nice miniature. Maybe a game designer and a good artist come together…

Yeah, it's pretty comparable to Warhammer in price, still, the models are pretty cool!

It is actually fairly cheaper than warhammer, at the very least.