AA-12: Years is designing, testing, re-designing to make the perfect auto shotgun Saiga-12: “Ivan what if AK shoots shotgun boolets?” “Oleg you are genius”

Aa12 has you hit where you want, Saiga12 has you hit where you want, where you don't want, and everywhere else

So AA-12 is open casket, the Saiga-12 is closed casket.. Gotcha..

AA-12: Hey imma just put a monster-truck spring behind my normal spring.

Another big difference without taking fees and taxes into effect, the Saiga 12 costs about $700 while the AA-12 costs about $3000. Kind of a big difference. The Saiga is also easier to load. The AA-12 has that track you have to slide into. Of course it is hard to beat shooting a 12ga with almost no recoil even if it costs more.

no way to identify the corpse afterwards

you could get a nice foregrip to help with that muzzle movement on the Saiga 12, no way you should be experiencing ~8 inch movement

0:05, huh, so that's why the AA-12 has such light recoil. I've never seen a bolt carrier travel that far.

One thing that threw me off about the video is that you were shooting Saiga 12 left hand dominant and AA-12 right hand dominant. For a more accurate portrayal of two weapon systems, I would love to see both fired in the same manner. Other than that, great video!

Man he really likes that AA-12, shoots it right handed, doesn’t show the recoil, and praises it. The Saiga on the other hand, shoots it left handed, and complains about recoil and purposely shows it

why did you shoot the siaga lefty and the aa12 right handed?

Thanks for the cool demo. Great to see what both guns can do. This definitely confirms my slight infatuation with the AA-12. What a weapon!

I'd rather see the AA-12 compared to the USAS-12.

Great video Andrew. Nice to see the internal workings of the AA-12.

The Saiga was all over the place. That AA is such an ingeniously simple firearm.

Nothing says "Get off my lawn" quite like the AA12.

I'm glad someone actually took it apart and fired it, it allows people to know how this sexy beast works. Great video!

Both are so bad ass it is unbelievable

When the AA-12 first came out, I heard several "unsubstantiated" rumors about it only being able to fire certain types of loads. One of the craziest I heard was that if you wanted to use buckshot, the pellets had to be made from steel. Supposedly lead buckshot was too heavy to cycle. I read another rumor that the AA-12 could not be used for extended periods with full-power or magnum loads due to the recoil reduction system not being robust enough to handle the stress. The last thing that I heard was that the military rejected the design because of its fragile nature. This is why very few exist. Otherwise, you would think that every military squad or S.W.A.T. team would be issued at least one. If it worked like the design promised, what could possibly be a better weapon for the point-man in a CQB or house clearing scenario. Is all of this total B.S.?

AA-12 is badass.. talking about being intimidating

I wonder why no one has thought to make (as far as I know) a semi auto version of the AA 12, seems like it's low recoil system would be great for many smaller framed shooters and others who just like less of an impulse.

Jeez you handle the Saiga excellently.

this has got to be my favorite shotgun hopefully I get to use it when I graduate the U. S. Army next year

your control on that S-12 was awesome, props

That is amazing you showed the gun with the side off, now I fully understand the no recoil awesome thankyou.

Almost missed this video before going to bed. What would I dream about otherwise?

I still rather have a saiga. Lighter and shoots twice as fast and has a more familiar aim sight. Not to mention price

Every household needs this gun. Home defence starts at home.

Man wish I had friends like you guys

The saiga has a faster rate of fire then the AA

I was looking for AA 12 step video, but this rocks!

Now I know what I want for Christmas!

Excellent video. Crazy to see how the AA12 is so much more controlled over the Saiga... Either way, game over for whoever is on the receiving end!

in russian hands saiga havent recoil

The slo-mo on the skinned version is just beautiful

Saiga-12: Spray a wall of lead at the target. AA-12: Precise multi-hit aggresion against the target.

Awesome comparison Andrew, Bad ass you even got the chance to shoot that AA-12!

The addition of a muzzle brake will go a long way in controlling the muzzle climb on the saiga 12. Since adding one to mine i feel a difference but i honestly haven't experienced muzzle climb as a problem . Coarse mines not full auto

the slow motion for saiga sounded like a heart beat to me

You broke it down so simply 👍thanks dude

Not sure if Saiga-12 was ever designed for the full-auto; on the other hand, the AA-12 was initially created for the full-outo and the full-auto only.

actual kick per round doesnt look all that different, i'd have to say the much slower cyclic rate probably does a lot more for making the AA-12 more controllable than the long spring system

I’m surprised that the saiga 12 never used a counter balancing rod like they did with the ak107 to reduce the recoil for the saiga 12.

AA12: makes your enemy ground beef Saiga 12: makes your enemy red dust........ And everyone around your enemy

Aa-12 is more practical for combat use, but the saiga 12 is just bad ass

funny how the siaga was actually in quite good control except for 2 shots (user error) and the rate of fire is nowhere near the same

Loaded ready both great to watch stay 😃

I would always use every weapon the same way, especially when comparing weapons. I would also try my best to not be bias and just assertively communicate!

I'll keep my seiga I can control it just fine.

The Saiga, as you said has a similar design as an AK. The stock design itself is a lot of the reason for the muzzle climb. The AA-12 as a straighter stak similar to the M-16, the straight stalk keeps the muzzle climb to a minimum.

Such an amazing weapon. A man with one of these and a selection of different rounds including the mini torpedo rounds would be a one man army.

nothing more relax and satisfy when shooting AA12 while watching everything get putting down .

Quick question, if you have the pogo system recoil reduction then can't you use that into rifles and other Assault rifles? meaning less recoil along with less recoil for high calibur weapons

Is there a semi-auto civilian version of the AA-12?

saiga 12 is a awesomely badassery weapon of mass fun i want to try the aa 12 now

Lot's of help real talk👍🏼

A12 is a great shotgun however it is far too cumbersome the spray effect of the saiga is no less than the AA12 and can be carried for door breeches and close combat hallway clearing allowing the user to carry a primary assault weapon as well

He's shooting left handed'with the Saiga, and right handed with the AA-12. I would think that would have some bearing on his aim if he's right hand dominant. Just an observation...

holy shit......the bolt travel on the AA-12.......

Really Nice

If you make your saiga 12 13 lbs it would be a more reasonable comparison. Also you'd need a rate reducer to even the comparison. You could duct tape two S12s in the configuration you showed together and be about the same weight as the AA12. Also it is always wierd to me that few of the people showing FA S12s do the demonstration with a good comp on there. There are lots of good choices and they make the gun easy to hold on target for the addition of only a few ounces. See here: Saiga 12 full auto.mp4 Nonetheless, thanks for the vid.

Saiga looks just more brutal and hardcore. Like a gun for a real Man. And AA12 feels like a rare military weapon idk said some bullshit.. So, if I'd have a choice, i'd pick saiga. Really, everyone is like "wow aa12 low recoil bla bla bla" Dude both guns are incredibly powerful and both can kill anyone by one bullet. So i think its just a person preference.

Great video. Would love to see ayou review or compare the MKA 1919 match to the Saiga (in semi auto). I'm a huge fan of that platform myself, despite being more of an AK than AR guy. With shotguns it turned out the opposite, oddly enough.

its making me remember if there is a super slug. then the both of its gonna be a beast

I will take one of each please

Why did you shoot the Saiga left handed, and the AA-12 right handed?

I never knew about full-auto Saiga version existing. Impressive, but what for? So many projectiles per one shot and skilled fast forefinger are enough for any target.

That look like it was a lot of fun.

Benefits of the S12 _Faster Fire Rate_ - Yes it wanders more... doesnt mean you have to hold the damn trigger down. As with any high rate of fire machine gun, 3-5 round burst are optimum. The military teaches you this... Why waste ammo? _More Design Configurations_ The S12 is as modifiable as the Ak47... From Stock to internals, you can pick and chose what you want it to do. 20+ inch barrel with custom springs and a sweet sporter stock? Sure! Chopped down, Dracco style snub nose pistol? Sure! Super Tricked out "Tacticool" with 20 attachments? SURE! Can you do that with the AA12? Nope... not at all. _Actually Used By Military and Law Enforcement_ Yep... Thats right! The S12 is standard issue combat shotgun for the Russian Special Police(Like SWAT) and Spetsaz(Like Special Forces). The AA12 on the other hand has never been deployed, as far as we know. Possibly for some testing, but in extremely limited numbers. ---------- Let me say something else about the fire rate of the AA12... 300 rounds per min is only 5 rounds per second... Thats extremely slow... Like, the average paintball player can pull the trigger that fast. In fact, to activate "ramp mode" that is a version of "full auto" in tournaments you have to pull the trigger about that fast. So in saying that... Lets see a comparative test, pull the trigger on the S12 that fast... Lets see how much muzzle wander there is then... And allllsoooo... the S12 isnt normally full auto, its convertible to... but its not even used in combat situations as full auto, just semi. Why? BECUASE ITS A 12 GAUGE AND NOBODY NEEDS TO FIRE A 12 GAGE LIKE THAT... lol I mean really "Boom boom boom" there goes almost 30 .30 caliber rounds hurling at what ever you were shooting at... Thats like firing a whole mag of (less powerful) AK47. Again, why waste ammo? In a logical combat loadout, you would have a 12 round drum, maybe a backup drum, and possibly four or five, 5 to 10 round mags as backups. Again, we are talking about a 12 gauge.... The rounds are large and heavy... But then you want to dump a 16lb weapon(fully loaded AA12; in comparison the S12 is about 10-12lbs) in the mix? Good luck. Basically... AA12 < S12 in almost every way but recoil... and thats just a novelty. *THAT* is the reason no military/LEO in the *WORLD* wants to use it. Though, its going to be hard for the S12 to compare in actual performance and "tried and true" ideology that people have of the Remington 870 or the Benelli 1014, which are the most employed shotguns for combat/policing roles in the world.

Staying on target with half the recoil means a lot more than faster rpm

liked and subscribed!!!

Awesome 💪🏿

Yeah, the AA12 is a better shotgun. I get it. An M32 grenade launcher is even better for things that go bump in the night but I can't get that either. It would be cheaper and faster to just buy 10,000 SKS's, take over a small country, change the gun laws and import one.

Two awesome shotguns. I noticed you were firing some low brass rounds, is the Saiga heavily modified to cycle that stuff? Using a self regulating gas plug and muzzle brake could help tame the Saigas recoil, but the AA's modern design is the clear winner in that category!

You've got better muscle control than i thought. That Saiga jumping, and you controlling it was actually cool visually.

Your Muscle in slow motion makes me feel like Zombie XD

sure as hell didnt see internals in action on FPS Russia, lol i reeeaallly love the AA12 (in thought)

These are California legal, right?

awesome comparison.love the AA12 but the Saiga looks like a beast!

That saiga is terrifying

why did you use your left hand for the saiga and your right hand for the aa-12

Saiga 12 is very full auto

Great weapon-Great video 😮

I got a forward grip assist, a US made Molot style muzzle brake, and a recoil reducing buttstock on my saiga-12, still kicks a bit but not nearly as bad. Mine is still semi auto of course (not worth paying for the permit when I can bump fire on the fly with the forward grip assist).

try comparing the fire rates

It basically 2 cod most toxic shotgun going head to head each other JAK 12 (AA12) vs KV Broadside (Saiga 12)

Awesome Weapon❤

I'd love to have one of these

work on your montage, 3:22 cuts are confusing as hell

sweet vid! I have a saiga12 semi auto. Is it possible to buy an AA 12 semi auto only? I live in California. Do you live on Mars where fully automatic weapons are allowed?

that middle slug had a mad little extra burst of recoil in the saiga haha

Thanks Im going for saiga!

Keep in mind, the Saiga 12 is insanely customizable compared to the AA-12 platform.

Both of the shotguns have great advantages and great disadvantages over each other. The aa12 (as said in the video) has almost no recoil (although it kind of tends to nudge down), while the Saiga12k has plenty of recoil. But, the Saiga12k costs less, and is also more mobile and small and can still get the job done well.

I like that he notes that higher rates of fire come with less control.

This liner protrusion, cool

I wonder why you would switch from shooting left handed to right handed between guns when you are supposed to be testing the felt recoil and control ability of the systems? Seems like this was biased toward the AA in my opinion as well and the muzzle rise on two of the shots with the Saiga looked pretty fake too.

AA-12 is illegal for civilians to own period. Saiga wins.

I think the biggest, most obvious difference between the 2 that would affect a purchase is the AA operates from an open bolt (like a machine gun) and the Saiga operates from a closed bolt.

I have a safespaces and a gun free zone sign I am invincible to your bullets bro PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!