For anyone that is interested, there is now a Discord server for folks that want to chat on the MCU: discord.gg/r7Y3FyNBk4. There are over 150 members so far. Love to have you join the conversation!

Another cool connection is that the same Hospital where Doctor Strange worked is the same one as Claire worked at in all the Defenders shows.

Another reference to the MCU is in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: In an academy they have a memorial to fallen S.H.I.E.L.D. Members and the first name on there is James Buchanan Barnes.

Another smaller thing. The actor who played the villain Blackout in AoS appeared in Captain Marvel as a bartender and the film’s producer made a comment that it was the same character. It was more of a joke but it’s worth bringing into the discussion.

I just hope that The Defenders show stay MCU Canon, I'm still really upset at the higher ups at Marvel Studios for never giving a heads up to the people working at Agents Of Shield because of what happened during Infinity War and Engame

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here, but Fitz was the one who invented the "Mouse Hole", which is the device that Fury used to escape his vehicle at the beginning of Winter Soldier, and I believe Maria Hill uses it later too.

There’s also the connection to Agents of shield where Ghost Rider uses Doctor Strange Portals and the Darkhold is also in that season. Also Fitz uses Pym shrinking tech to time travel and a mini Mobius Strip. And I’m Pretty sure Daisy (Quake) works for Sword by the end of the series. 👍🏼

For Daredevil I remember there being a throwaway line in Season 1. When Karen (or Elektra? Can't remember who but I know it was a woman) saw Matt's apartment and asked how he could afford such a big apartment by himself, he said the invasion in the first Avengers movie (he doesn't say all that outright, he just calls it "the incident") made housing in that area dirt cheap. And in JJ, Jessica was threatened to be sent to the Raft after killing Kilgrave in season 1, until she was saved by her lawyer. Also, Trish ended up getting sent there at the end of season 3 iirc.

I love the effort you guys put in to compile as many references as you could. I do want to point out one Incredible Hulk reference missed from Agents of SHIELD. At one point, Coulson tells Agent Ward "If you endanger an operation or if anyone gets hurt, I'll reassign you to Barrow, Alaska, and you'll spend the rest of your years pulling the night shift guarding Blonsky's cryo-cell."

A passing reference to the raft in jessica jones??? Dude, patsy walker ended up in the raft that's the whole resolution to the conflict and it's one of the most clear and important tie ins

Also Daredevils suit outside of the colour change was the exact design from the Netflix Show, which in it's self is a huge connection.

A few more references: in AoS season 4, Coulson gets stuck in the mirror dimension from Doctor Strange, and the device Fitz uses at the end of season 7 is the same device from the time heist in Endgame

In Agents Of Shield, Quake did mention The Punisher's Micro character. Option 1

Some other references i remember. * Coulson puts Skye in a bunker in AOS s2 which once held the Hulk * We see Maria Hill on the phone with Pepper specifically working for STARK industries after the collapse of Shield. * Mack or Coulson mention an Asgardian in New York in season 5, which is obviously a reference to Ragnarok. * Ruby Hale has the same weapon/similar weapon to Nakia * S7 features the Quantum Realm and the Endgame time travel rules * Jessica Jones Season 3 has Trish going to the raft at the end

I'm really glad you made this video. Genuinely tons of work put in and it brings attention to the very real connections between the shows and the movies. Personally I hope it all stays canon.

Amazing video on a topic that's always perplexed and fascinated me. I remember the hype around the shows when they first started and all the ways they connected to the MCU. The direct connections in Agents of SHIELD with the guest stars, the references to "the incident" in Daredevil along with the various Avengers references throughout the Netflix shows, HAMMER tech in Luke Cage (and Iron Man being referenced in Method Man's "Bulletproof Love" tribute to Luke Cage in the show!), but even then I didn't quite catch all the connections and references 'til now. My favorite references were always the way The Avengers (2012) was a big factor into why the landscape of Hell's Kitchen was the way it was in Daredevil (big DD fan) and of course the Incredible Hulk reference in the newspaper (also big Hulk fan). Great video & channel! ❤

WOW, I never realised that Gideon Malik was in Avengers. Same with Blake. Amazing. Thank, man, your videos amplified the MCU for me. I love the Agents of SHIELD show and this is so significant to me. Another mention on the show was de cryogenic cell of Abomination, that, now, we know that is also canon, and it was mentioned on the show. I loved The Incredible Hulk and all the times I heard that line it gave me hope to see him again. And it happen. Simply beautiful.

As always, phenomenal video! Just wanted to mention some other notable connections between the MCU and shows released under Marvel Television. - Jessica Jones actually features The Raft more than that little reference. At the end of the series, after Trish Walker goes on her crazed "hero-ing" rampage, she is incarcerated in The Raft on multiple charges. - In the Peter's To-Do List short (or One-Shot? It's never been called one so I don't know), Peter fights the Manfredi Crime Family, who appear in Season 2 of Agent Carter. Seems like they've been reigning the crime world for a LONG time. - In a small throwaway line, the Agent Carter show mentions GLK&H, or at the time Goodman, Kurtzberg & Holliway, which is the law firm She-Hulk works at. We see that these organizations are indeed the same as GLK&H is still owned by someone with the Holliway name (Holden Holliway).

I really hope they keep those shows canon... but I have a feeling that not all of them will have this luck (Inhumans 👀), and some others will have a soft reboot (like recasting some characters). But it’s just an opinion... based on all I’ve been hearing lately, there are big chances of Daisy Johnson appearing in Secret Invasion, that would be insanely incredible! Another point that makes the canon of these shows difficult is the fact that literally nobody referenced the existence of the Inhumans in the MCU, they even made Kamala a mutant to avoid this...

I really hope they keep the Defenders stuff canon. They don't break continuity (or atleast stretch the limits of it). And despite some of the shows not being as loved as other's it's not like the characters are unsalvagable. A soft reboot or appearances in other projects could work just fine

BTW, I have a suggestion, even if we don’t know what Marvel will do with these shows on considering them canon or not, I would love to see you doing a timeline video, showing and explaining where these series fits beetween the movies, and in what year/month 😁

I loved Marvel's Agents of SHIELD and Marvel's Agent Carter. The shows don't get enough love these days. Mainly because they'd probably confuse average theater audiences. "What the heck is going on? Who is this Coulson guy? Who's this woman that makes the Earth Shake? Who are these 1940s Secret Agents?" I remember watching New Episodes of AOS & AC every Tuesday/Friday Night when they aired. I'd always make a bowl of Popcorn, grab a can of Grape Soda, and sit back and relax.

I love that you cover ALL pre Disney shows because I find not many people do and god I love AoS 😂🤩

I think my favorite connections are the subtle ones from Helstrom; a replica of Sersi’s dagger from “Eternals” is in the Blood’s possession, a mention of the Sokovia Accords in a newspaper (that alludes to the GRC from Falcon and the Winter Soldier), and also the implication that the rise of demonic possession in the past year is a result of the massive amounts of deaths from the Snap.

Personally, I just want everything to be canon, even if there's continuity errors, and then just tell the fans to determine how everything goes together and make theories for how the continuity errors could make sense since the fans are probably going to do that anyway. I wish most things had that approach. Or at the least say everything that doesn't contradict anything else is canon, so whatever can't work or conflicts with something else stays out, and everything that works and doesn't conflict stays in. Talking about what is and isn't canon usually annoys me with different franchises because it feels like people put too much focus on it and treat things they see as non-canon as something to be avoided at all costs even though there's still thought and effort that goes into it , so I kind of just wish creators would say everything is canon and have the fans make it make sense.

I really hope they decide to keep AoS seasons 1-5 canon to the mcu. I feel that up to that point the show really worked really well together with the movies.

I was hoping for this video! Thank you!

Thank you so much for letting me help you with this!

Dear god I’ve been waiting for this one! I’m so pumped!

YEAAAA LETS GOOOOOOO THANK YOU FOR THE SHOUT OUT!!!

YOU’RE VIDEOS ARE SO GREAT I LOVE THEM SOOO MUCH!

I love and appreciate these videos, I watch them on my free time and have them going in my headphones like music while at work

Great video! Thanks for all the time you put into these. Your videos are always a treat. As a Marvel TV show fan, I definitely hope that all the shows would remain 100% canon (even Inhumans and Helstrom lol). However, I wouldn't mind if something similar to option 2 happened, where they retcon some elements of the shows, but most of it remains canon. Or in 616, something very similar happened, but it was slightly different to fit the main timeline better. Perhaps the Runaways defeated Morgan without time-travel, and perhaps AoS S6 & 7 happened, but the blip is mentioned and the world looks more bleak, etc. Most of the other "problems" with the show aren't really issues with continuity, they can be easily explained if you're willing to wiggle a little. The main thing I see being good about retconning or removing things from canon is certain characters can be reused that were killed off or used in an unsatisfying way. A few examples being Absorbing Man, Ben Urich, Hellcat, Iron Fist (although I thought he was great past his first season with better writing), Madame Masque, and Jigsaw. Otherwise, it won't be as satisfying for most of these characters to return if their backstory in these shows is dropped. Then they wouldn't really be the same characters anymore. Hopefully with Daredevil and any other characters they bring back, they're brought back with light references to their old shows where you don't HAVE to watch the shows to understand the characters, but they would enhance the their backstories and your experience as a viewer.

When I saw Jarvis on Endgame I almost cry. So important character for me, so emotions attached with Agent Carter and I don't expect it at all.

Great vid. I try to keep the shows canon in my head too. One major hurdle is in Luke Cage, I remember he once made a throwaway reference to President Obama who wasn’t President in the MCU

Canon or not, I hope that the casts of all these shows get another chance. They all deserve it and I think some of them will shine way better under the right story and direction (Iron Fist, Inhumans and Helstrom)

Great topic!

There's also another connection between AOS and Daredevil. Both Daisy Johnson and Matt Murdock spent time in their childhoods at St. Catherine's Orphanage. Given their ages they might have been there at the same time and knew each other.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but Irving Forbush was a gag character in the 60's who also went by the name Forbush Man.

Another small show to film connection is the cellist mentioned by Tony and Pepper in The Avengers as having recently dated Coulson. We meet the cellist in AOS.

I finally managed to watch this video too and yeah I love how you entered deeper on this topic. I personally prefer option 1, first because they actually sold us those shows as MCU canon and I honestly wouldn't have watched them otherwise, so for them to backpedal this way it would really upset me, but also I love how these shows complement the movies by adding to or exploring more the lore of this universe. I also think that all those instances that can be seen as inconsistencies can actually be explained really easily when you come down to it. Also, one important thing to note about Agent Carter is that its production involved both Feige and the Russo brothers, and considering the appearance of Jarvis in Endgame, I'm pretty sure they still consider at least this show canon. Anyway, the funny thing is that there are even more connections from the shows to the movies (like for example AoS season 3 mentioning the events of AntMan, AoS season 7 using Endgame time travel, Trish and Diamond Back from the Defenders shows being held at the Raft), but it is actually even more interesting how there are even more connections from the Marvel Studios stuff to the shows that you (probably for time reasons) missed. Just to name an interesting few (but there's even more): - The Black Widow movie, during its flashbacks to the Red Room, shows the exact same training that they show in the Red Room flashbacks from Agent Carter. - Shows like Ms Marvel and Falcon and Winter Soldier have background props that mention things that tie in with AoS. - Spiderman Far From Home shows us that Shield is still up and running and that it is working with Saber (which may be hinted at during the AoS season 7 finale). - In AntMan we see active Hydra agents that would only make sense in the context of what was happening during AoS at that time. - Captain Marvel actually has many subtle connections to AoS. First of all, when the Kree take Carol Danvers, they inject her with Kree blood in order to heal her injuries (which is basically a lower version of Project Tahiti) and then they remove her prior memories, which we saw in AoS is a required step after Tahiti to prevent the user from going insane. Also, they used a device to keep her powers in check which is the exact same Kree superpowers inhibitor that was firstly seen in AoS season 5. - In AoS we see Sif going around in various missions on behalf of Odin, aka Loki at that time. We know from Ragnarok that Loki kept Thor and his friend occupied elsewhere to prevent them from discovering his disguise, which is also what saves Sif since she didn't return to Asgard in time. - The Wakanda Files book talks again about the Project Theta helicarier.

Can’t believe you forgot to mention the Darkhold that thing shows up in Agents of Shield, Runaways, Wandavision and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Thanks for doing this. You probably don't remember me asking for this video but thanks

Glad someone made a video about this

The biggest black mark against the continued canonicity of Agents of Shield is that you’d think at some point somebody would’ve mentioned the totally-not-mutants popping up all around the world. That’s not just some small inconsequential event that can be handwaved, it’s literally world-altering.

I think that they're mostly going to leave the canonicity completely open. I think their best option is not completely addressing the shows and just letting the audience decide for themselves what is and isn't canon. I'm very confident that Born Again is going to mostly be a soft reboot - light links to the original 3, but the audience can deicide what happened in the past while feige and the creative teams instead focus on what the future is

They could've made Inhumans canon by stating that it was in 838 and that the Black Bolt that died in Dr Strange 2 was the Black Bolt from the show. It would be a good way to acknowledge the show but also get rid of it entirely.

18:52 Wooo my boy got mentioned 😂

Incredible video, one missed connection though was the Darkhold from shield appearing in Runaways. Its the same prop and everything

In Runaways Sister Grimm also has the same Dark Dimension makeup on her face from Doctor Strange when using her powers

Another connection Coulson mentions Hydra made this blue soap to spy on people in the season 4 Framework storyline. That soap then showed up in a WandaVision commercial.

I'd like to remark that in shehulk, Madisynn mentioned she made a deal with a demon in another dimension. Also ghost riders last appearance in agents of shield is in the dark dimension. And it just so happens that the guy who sends her there is called Donny Blaze. It's a weak connection but if ghost rider emerges from Madisynn in the future, it wouldn't break agents of shield cannon while not adhering to that story either because Johnny blaze hasn't been used yet

Helstrom also featured a Roxxon gas station in the 1rst or 2nd episode. Daisy/Quake referenced Micro from Punisher. Also Dogs of Hell bikers were beat up by Lady Sif on AoS, then later killed by Punisher.

Ooh, I forgot to mention, Blackout’s actor played a bartender in Captain Marvel. Victoria Alonzo implied in a Reddit AMA that he was playing the same character. That means Blackout, Edwin Jarvis, Daredevil, Kingpin and Black Bolt have all debuted on the TV side and made the jump to the movies.

Another iron fist reference to MCU is sometime in the show someone says something along the lines of“you’re like that incredible green guy”. I don’t remember the context or who said it but I remember it was said

i think it's wild to think about how literally the entire plot of daredevil s1, and later defenders, is completely hinged on the fact that The Avengers happened. the destruction of NY is the only reason that fisk was able to do what he did

One connection that you didn't mention is that Daredevil and Quake both stayed at the Saint Agnes Orphanage.

For me, the varied styles, tones, and perspectives of the shows (as opposed to the samey look and feel of Marvel Studios’ productions) make the MCU feel so much bigger and more layered in my opinion.

Once again an wonderful video. Two questions-If Marvel saw your videos and was like “ hey this guy is great. Lets get him for our official timeline keeper”. What would be the first thing you do to fix the timeline? And second ( on topic with video) what character from these shows ( other than daredevil ) would you like to see appear in a Avenger’s movie?

Netflix shows: they fit and at least Matt we’ve seen so far in newer projects probably had similar experiences to what we saw in DD. AoS: It doesn’t hurt but I need to r the show and see if the time travel lines up with endgame/Loki. Everything else: Technically you can say they happened but I really don’t see the Hulu stuff being brought back. I think at best Netflix(or specifically DD) will be acknowledged because that was people were most vocal about. However I’m not opposed for everything(yes even inhumans) to be fully mcu canon officially. If nothing else since they can be fun cameos in secret wars. If they are willing to bring back Sony and fox actors. I think the other marvel stuff should get love as well.

This was an interesting discussion for my option it's either between 2 or 3 just because it does connect with the multiverse

In Helstrom, Ana and her friend and colleague Chris Yen run an auction business in San Francisco. Now San Francisco is the city where Ant-Man (Scott Lang) and his colleagues lives and Ana and Chris didn't mention about them.

This was a great video! I’ve really been addicted to this channel and I’ve really enjoyed the content you’ve made over the past few months or so. If I could make a suggestion for a future video. It would be really cool if you made a video on how you would watch the MCU in order, mainly for people who are trying to get into the MCU, but don’t know what to watch, especially with the continuity strain of the Netflix shows, Agents of Shield, etc. I did a video on this on my own channel and would love to see your take on it!

You forgot the magic staff from Runaways appears in the background in Hong Kong in the Doctor Strange movie

10:23 I distinctly remember the picture on the right being in Daredevil because it is my favorite show on Netflix

The old guy who calls ant man Spider-Man in the quantumania trailer also shows up in Agents Of Shield!

Daisy and Matt also both went to Saint Agnes orphanage

Stronger case for AoS and Runaways: The Darkhold. Major plotline for most of season 4 in AoS and the primary reason for season 3 in The Runaways. I know it's slightly different in WandaVision and MoM but still has ties to the MCU as a whole.

Not having a post snap focused agents of shield season was such a massive lost opportunity. Yes there are seasons which take place in that time period but it's just not mentioned due to issues with the studios. On the other hand the blip gives the movies some breathing space to have allowed all these plotlines from the shows to play out off screen without becoming too complicated before they are potentially brought into the more "official" content without too many strings.

My idea is, in SDCC 2023, Secret Invasion was already out, if quake or agent coulson appeared in the show, they should announced that Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D & the other shows are officially canon and they should tell where the show in the phases, examples: Daredevil, Jessica Jones & Luke Cage are from Phase 2 That will be so awesome if they do that Fingers cross if will happen 🤞

I’m watching all the titles of Marvel Television Already watched all the seasons of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter I’m about to finish the Defenders Saga (I was watching Iron Fist S2 when the notification of your video showed up 😂) And I’m loving everything, a complete rich world!

Pat Kiernan also was in Garfield's The Amazing Spider-Man)

Okay, there's a lot more connections than I realised here.

Would love to see a Helstrom MCU timeline video

Something worth noting is that Doctor Strange has no idea who Black Bolt is. You would expect him to if there's a Black Bolt of any note in his universe, implying there likely isn't.

And Misty Knight's cybernetic arm is a product of Stark Industries.

The fans have a wierd mindset were it’s only canon if it’s a good show to them.good show=canon bad show=non canon

I reckon they will probably go with option 2 and personally thats the one I want.

Thanks for the hope. I love all this series and characters. All options are good for me, I always going to see it when I rewatch the MCU, and same with Spiderman movies. So great story's. I don't do it with the X-Men movies because of Charles in DS2, but, maybe in the future I will. Great video, I hope you can do a Multiverse watching chronological order for all of the MCM, Marvel Cinematic Multiverse.

Awesome video... I think Agents of SHIELD is already established as non-616 canon. In the final episode, we see the Triskelion where it should already have been destroyed as we see in the Captain America: the Winter Soldier.

Another thing I’d add is that all the shows have the same darkhold

i hope that atleast the whole defenders saga including punisher will stay canon

I don't care if Feige changes anything i.e. making any shows non canon or the fact that the movies never mention the shows, there's way too many mentions in all the shows to the movies for them to not be canon

I thinks its most likely 2. but i really wish it was 1, damn i didn't realize how much effort there was for the pre-Disney+ shows (not counting the netflix ones), really wish they become canon and they just fix the characters that we're made badly like Iron fist and Black Bolt!

We know if Fury said the hellicarriers were from Coulson, The Avengers would be like "HE'S ALIVE!?!?! YOU LIED TO US FURY!"hellicarriers

Option 1. I sleep better knowing all of these shows are still MCU canon. As for the Fox shows The Gifted actually is canon to the X Men movies and takes place in the original timeline after Wolverine 2013 and before Days of Future past. And we know this because Blink (the pink mutant from DOFP appears in the series, as well as mentions the Sentinels) Legion however takes place in an alternate timeline just like Logan.

great video. The legend at around 20:25 should be graphical instead of text, would improve the understanding of it

I haven't watched Daredevil or Iron Fist or The Punisher or Agents of SHIELD or Agent Carter but I find the connection between characters fascinating. Hawkeye knows Nick Fury who knows Quake who maybe knew Daredevil who knew Maya who knows Hawkeye. I've actually done some research and turns out, there's a teamup between Daredevil, Moon Knight, Luke Cage, Shang Chi, Black Widow and Dagger just so they can capture The Punisher. Again, I haven't watched Daredevil or The Punisher but I liked Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Cloak and Dagger, The Runaways and The Gifted and I'm still hoping ALL of these characters come back in some capacity. The Gifted would be perfect for The Multiverse Saga and if the MCU would do it, The Mutant Saga! Legion was great too and I'm glad that show at least had a proper ending.

I think and hope for option 3, all shows become their own cannon and 616 takes from it what they want. But not for the reason you may think! The feud between Loeb and Feige was infamous over creative direction. So while there's direct ties, it's still very muddy between the two. So the problem for me is not that I don't want the shows to exist and so they should be separated, It's that I like the shows so much I would rather their canonicity not be screwed with by 616. I want to still have the Runaways and Defenders and regardless of the direction that 616 takes I want to head canon the further adventures of the pre-Disney+ shows. So yeah, I would rather MCU take only what it wants without screwing with the plots of the shows. Like how frustrating would it be for you if all the character development was rolled back. For example Jessica's relationships. They (somewhat) improved as she delt with her external and internal issues and learned to find value in others. Now imagine Jessica shows up in the MCU and she's back to square one. Maybe it's unexplained or maybe it is but the easy answer is that the writers want people who didn't necessarily watch her show to see that character arc (even if it's treading old ground). I, personally, would find that infinitely frustrating if both were considered cannon to each other. To see any growth rolled back. But if they were in different universes I could see the MCU Jessica as a variant who hasn't had that development yet. I could see where the MCU takes it differently. And all the while I still have the Netflix version to fall back to unburdened by careless future shakeups.

If the Avengers had discovered that Coulsen was still alive that would have been a can of worms that needed unpacking.

Daredevil Born Again was far into production when She-Hulk episode 8 released. There's no way they use the music if they were discarding the netflix shows. Additionally, if Feige really wanted to move away from AoS, Jarvis would not have been in Avengers: Endgame. I think you can safely consider everything up to the time travel canon, and I will form my opinion on what to do w/ S6 and S7 when I've seen them. Pretty sure helstrom was decanonised, Runaways and Cloak and Dagger don't really matter, and Inhumans... eh, Anson Mount was asked back for MoM so there is that. We should be finding out this year with the book as well as hopefully Echo releasing in autumn, DD Born Again trailer, etc.

I still need to finish these shows, I've just watched Daredevil S1-S2,Jessica Jones S1 and Agent Carter S1-S2

Hey dude! I was wondering if you could help me with something I’ve been thinking about. You know the blue person in moon knight that they chopped the hand off of? Is that the same body seen in ms marvel? (Great vid btw)

While these examples almost change my mind about them being not canon, there’s a lot of examples that go directly against them being canon. I’d love a video where you cover all the examples that seem to contradict canon. Awesome video.

I feel like Option 3 might be likely, with some shows/connections/elements still remaining canon, like Daredevil’s origins will stay the same and other origin stories might stay the same with slight alterations.

Can your next video please be a DC Extended Universe timeline talking about Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman 1984, Man of Steel, Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad, Zack Snyder's Justice League, Aquaman, Shazam!, Birds of Prey (And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn), The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker and Black Adam, and then when the next four movies Shazam! Fury of the Gods, The Flash, Blue Beetle and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom come out next year add them? Also James Gunn DC Studios Phase 1 announcement is a Complete Reboot, so you don't have to worry about adding those movies to the timeline!

I think it's option 2. Obviously, Agent Carter is canon because of Jarvis(Feige himself produced it so no surprise), so is Daredevil because he was shown in the movies and Disney+ shows. Other shows are "multiverse". What makes me absolutely mad how NONE of the movies directly acknowledged AoS existence. One could argue Age of Ultron did, but none of AoS characters or events were mentioned there, so there is no proof the show wasn't just written around the movie's story. Heck, I heard the movie creators during the first 3 phases *weren't even asked* to watch AoS, meaning they couldn't care less of what happens in this show as if it's not canon to the movies and therefore doesn't deserve to be looked into. Inhumans appear all around the world? So what? not worth mentioning. Oh, SHIELD officially announces it becoming a legit organization again? Nah, the movies are just gonna ignore it, "imma pretend I didn't hear that". And it's all Feige's fault. He could have made it work if he really wanted to, but he just didn't.

I'm currently making a chart of how all the MCU films and Disney + shows connect with each other (however insignificant some may be) and if I ever get round to adding these shows I'll be sure to stop back off here.

how would the darkhold from agents of shield work with the current darkhold in the MCU? they seem like they work completely different.

Wow, the wait is finally over! I was looking forward to this video. If you remember any of my comments, you probably know my stance on this issue, or, more precisely, my opinion on what Marvel would do, most likely. I have really not much faith in them respecting the creations of another divisions like Marvel TV. I believe, neither of the shows would turn out as canon to 616. That'd be great to have a nerd orgasm seeing Feige officially fitting all of this into one continuity, but they don't really like working overtime. Some parts of Daredevil will be repeated, some casting choices will remain consistent, but that's it. Maybe it's just my way or coping with disappointment, but I don't expect the TV stuff merge with 616 at all. (And I personally think that some of the shows like Runaways and Inhumans simply don't deserve to share a universe with others, but it's just the matter of taste, I guess.)