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he who remains saying in the season 1 finale "after i isolated our timeline" could be taken as he isolated 616 from the infinite megaverse to solely protect 616 from incursions, and formed it as the sacred timeline where kang is born in the 19th century, preventing him from crossing into other multiverses, cause as OB said, he was limited by the technology of his time. He perhaps never destroyed the other timelines (multiverses), but rather untangled 616 from the megaverse

The person at the end of the marvels saying that what just happened is supposed to be impossible makes even more sense now.

This is it. This is the video I've been asking you do on discord! This is the ultimate guide to how the Multiverse works and everybody who is still confused should watch it! This needs 1 million views honestly! Amazing work!

I think dream walking as a concept NEEDS to be explored more. If when you dream, you see a variant of yourself from another universe not branched from your own, then where do all dreams go? Is there a dream realm that oversees the entirety of the multiverse? This could hint at Nightmare being a multiversal threat or the dream realm being one of if not the only place in the multiverse where beings from unanchored universes can exist without risk of incursions, setting the stage for Secret Wars.

Great video as always! I never thought the multiverse was actually this consistent and complex. I wouldn't know half of the stuff I know about the MCU without you, you rock!

I really enjoy how you choose to depict the Multiverse model. Also, if you do take the spider verse into consideration, the reality Stone thing can also explain while there's a Lego Universe😅

I’ve been watching your videos for a couple months now and I have gained a ton of knowledge on updates, release dates, and other information about the MCU. I just want to thank you for helping me gain all of this knowledge

So when you getting hired as timekeeper at marvel? Like seriously this is great stuff, absolutely love this video and it's breakdown. Awesome work!

I’d also like to add that since America can naturally do what she does, I don’t think she’d be able to cause an incursion alone.

I have a theory on the Multiverse tree. I think the purple highlights on top of the tree is the Great Web of the Spider-Verse deep inside that cosmic and mystic web

I’m wondering about the magical limits within the 616 Multiverse. In MoM, Strange and Wanda aren’t able to physically travel through alternate universes (without innate powers such as Chavez’s), however Strange, with his same magical capabilities later in MoM, was able to pull people from alternate multiverses as seen in No Way Home (considering that the Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield universes are alternate and not branched from 616) with his and Peter’s spell. Magic in 616 available for usage by people such as Strange wouldn’t allow travel to alternate multiverses, but somehow can be used to pull people from alternate multiverses? I’m a bit confused on that.

The TVA labeling 616 at all implies that they actually do know of other universes like the paint one.

As someone who had very frustrating discussions about this topic, i 100% agree with you.

I'm consistently amazed at how well you do your research for these videos❤❤❤

great video- as always. very exciting and enjoyable. not just marvel but also you have been very consistent, keep it up :)

I would say those are all still timelines, alternate universes can have vastly different origins with similar results but timelines are based of the same origin with alternate realities taking different paths. I would definitely say they are two separate things

Thanks for explaining this. Looking forward to this year's content!

Awesome explanation! I struggled a bit with the universes / timelines thing in the past but now thanks to your video I finally understand it 🤝🏻

Found you on KZfaq recently and very glad I did. Clear you take a lot of time to do this and it's appreciated.

Thank you so much for taking your time to do these videos.

Love your videos! I love how in depth you are while also clear!

I’m always super impressed with your videos dude, I feel like I’ve learned a lot about this vast universe after every one

I can't remember the last time I watched a full video on KZfaq that got my attention from beginning to end. I really dig this.

This will be useful to know. All the information is everywhere and never condensed into a single movie so this will help.

Love this! You are literally one of my top tier youtube channels to go to for videos like these! Keep up the good work! 🎉

This is 🔥 Thank you for your hard work!

This was a great recap of the multiverse ! Really made sense of it all, great video!

As always. Great job bro! You kill these breakdowns man, I’m glad somebody out here tells it like it is!

41:23 "No one worked together" kind of sums up the Multiverse Saga at this point.

I love your content. It's just really genuine, and I love it when I see a new video on my YT page. What an amazing KZfaqr!

love the videos man keep it up!

Nice video as always My friends were asking me some questions about the working of timelines and multiverse... I did try to explain but turns out i dont have that much knowledge in it as well. I'll for sure recommend this video to them. Thanks man, looking forward to the next video.

This is the first of your videos i've watched and i'm blown away! None of all those fancy commentary channels here on KZfaq explained branched timelines and alternate universes quite as close to perfect as you did :) I have one question though: Do you consider dreamwalking an innate power of Dr. Strange for travelling between universes? It doesn't show up in your slide except when you explained the incursion risks below. Shouldn't it be considered magic because you need the darkhold to do this? That could be the fourth point in "Alternate universes / movement between". At least if i'm not mistaken :D Or did you just consider this redundant to mention since you brought it up later? Thank you for this video!

Thank you for the great video I was pretty confused between all of the shows and movies and this really helped

Just discovered your channel and what a great video to start with!

That was an incredible recap. Thank you!

Your voice is so soothing! 😊(AMAZING VIDEO, GREAT DETAILS)

Loved your highly detailed video

Thanks you so much, this was very helpful

This is the best video on marvels time rules ever. Period.

Just a thought on Gommora, Gommora, 2014 is not a seperate branch, but a point in time on the sacred timeline, by moving to 2023 she is now creating a branch as she is suppose to be dead, meaning the MCU is no longer on the sacred timeline but a branch due to Gomorra activities, just a thought

this is such an amazing explanation

That Loki book lookin like it wants to sit down on a throne on my shelf

This idea of branched universes vs parallel universes was actually brought up in the 90s TV show sliders. They mentioned how you can have a cluster of universes that branched off from a single universe.

you are right on point. and this is so well put together. thx as always for sharing your research! quickly becoming the missing manual for the mcu

FINALLY I CAN UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING NOW THANK YOU SO MUCH

Love watching your videos!!!

Fascinating video, I have also thought about how the multiverse works with its rules and I had come to think that it was inconsistent because of MoM, but thinking about 838 as a separate universe clarifies some things. Now, as to why there are such different variants of Loki that have been able to grow to become adults, I have a theory. All timelines, including those in which variants were born, grow side by side with the same events until that variant does something different. That's where the TVA steps in, we see this with old Loki who remained hidden until he wanted to intervene, causing his timeline to be pruned. Excellent video, I await your explanation for the spider-verse.

Back at it again with the start to my work day being a nice marvel video

I actually love this explanation so much. It just makes a lot of sense.

This helps to explain the MCU multiverse a lot.

It's been a while since i watched a marvel movie or show, but i enjoy your theory and lore videos. Maybe even more than the shows/movies 😅

Love this video and ur voice is amazing

Theory: megaverses are the franchises, ruled by studio relations and limitations, which are meta dialogue and 4th wall breaks by their characters. "Im aware my universe is a smaller layer of your universe and we're both in it" and Deadpools shenanigans allowed him to create alternate "branch teams" within the fox megaverse containing MCU universe teams and realities. I just rewatched Tomorrow War and something clicked. Like Kang said. "We could only explore other places that had gotten to the point where they too could explore." "We can only jump between the existing platforms across time. Both effect the other but the current flows one way" The awareness or ability or technology has to exist in each reality for the place to connect to everywhere else. Somebody has to unlock the cosmic secrets first.

Detailed and still fairly concise, nice!

I think Marvel fumbled a little because, in No Way Home, Doctor Strange is obviously aware that Spider-Man’s villains being in the wrong universe will destroy the fabric of reality aka an incursion. Yet in Multiverse of Madness, which takes place after No Way Home, he still has to ask what an incursion is and Reed Richards gives him the explanation. So either Marvel accidentally fumbled or someone at the studio didn’t do their homework because how can Strange suddenly forget what an incursion is?

Good video mate 👍

Great vid

I love the mcu and your vids just make it more lovable

I was adamant on timelines and universes being pretty different things and that the multiverse worked a lot differently and that Marvel had no idea what they were doing with it and it was all just a mess. However, your video has convinced me otherwise and explained everything a lot clearer than all the Marvel movies and TV shows have. I will now be referring to this video on discussions about the Marvel Multiverse/Megaverse from now on.

what a great summary/overview

Love that this has been explored in such detail for so long that you've been able to hammer it all out and explain it all in one video. Hopefully the general public gets it in a future story. I shared the Loki tree video and didn't get a lot of responses. Maybe just bad timing, or they don't like YT links. I wonder if this one would get more traction? Just to be pedantic for a moment; When you were talking about the 1602 episode of What If, you said it was something between timelines. I think you meant it's a combination of 2 time _periods_ . At least, it seems to me that's what happened. Steve brought the past to the present. That's how Peggy's explanation sounded to me.

Love watching your videos.

New subscriber here. Great job!

Great video man, bunch of stuff to think about as we head into the 2024 year of Marvel

thank you so much. I was so confused for 2 years😂 and every video i would go to would confuse me more😂

21:03 I genuinely appreciate you avoiding the spoiler as I just managed to catch the film the last day it was in my local theater, I think it was like the 28th? Anyways I love the video so far it’s a really well ordered project. Your pacing is great too you don’t get into minutiae unless it’s relevant, and while I’m quite a super fan of Wanda Loki and strange (and so I rewatch the stuff with them in it a LOT lol) I’m admittedly surprised because you are helping me connect dots I hadn’t on my own, I knew something was off but I wasn’t fully sure if it was my own understanding of the material or the material itself.

I wouldn't mind winning the time line book. Nice video BTW, it's really well explained

I love how much research you put into your videos and especially how logically you describe the differences between timelines, universes, multiverses, megaverses, etc. I think everything would be so much more cohesive if the Marvel writers were paying as much attention to detail. I think they do keep this all in mind but maybe without attention to detail. So, while it would be cool to see the full cinematic realisation of the theories of the multiverse, I don't think Marvel would do that kind of work. Maybe they'll surprise us though? Still fun though to watch all the amazing KZfaqrs unpack the different meanings of every line and scene we witness in the sprawling MCU.

Great video as always, and happy new year! One thing I'd like to add is about Loki variants being so different from each other. He is a manifestation of chaos, that's for sure, but we also know that he's an incredibly-skilled shapeshifter / illusionist from the MCU, the comics and Norse mythology. It is very possible that these Lokis are so different from each other, simply because he took on different forms that suited his needs. What If Season 1 shows us a Loki who remained a frost giant since Odin returned him to Laufey. The variants Loki speaks with in the first season likely manifested their forms due to different environments, like when Odin first carried him in his arms (Odin could have courted a goddess who resembles Boastful Loki, or Frigga brought Sylvie into battle alongside the valkyries instead of Thor, or Loki was brought up by a bunch of orcs). We see that many Loki variants are just Tom Hiddleston in different outfits, so I think this is likely. His nature as a shapeshifter and a being of chaos means that he doesn't have one definitive form, and since we see that Loki doesn't revert to being a frost giant when taken into the TVA, we can assume that his physical changes are out-of-scope for the rules of the TVA. It would be interesting to see how this tracks if we ever get a chance to see variants of other shapeshifters such as that Light Elf in She-Hulk, Mystique or even other characters who take on very different forms like Groot and the assorted Hulks. It's a slightly different way to go about why Loki has so many different variants, but it can also help us identify who else the multiverse might manifest for its purposes.

Amazing breakdown of the Marvel cinematic multiverse, can't wait for it to continue in future multiverse projects like Deadpool 3, Avengers 5 and Secret Wars etc.

Awesome Vid dude ❤❤❤❤❤

Great video as usual 😊

This video was like a tack board with all the pictures and strings showing how everything fits together. Great job. Now how about a part 2 where you pull in how dimensions (Dark, pocket) and realms (Quantum, afterlife) fit into the models?

Regarding the variants of Loki, there is a theory that I first heard it on a Spanish channel "Doctor MCU" and it talks about authorized branching timelines, that is, the TVA will not prune them as long as they do not generate a variant of the one that remains , and it has some support since when the sacred timeline is shown it is seen that it is a large line made up of small small lines, perhaps as long as all those lines have the same history some aspects can change, I know costume , gender or even species of the individual since at the end of the day that would not matter if the character fulfills his function as intended, after that he dies and that branch becomes exactly the same as the main timeline

im sure it goes without saying at this point, but excellent video as always! also, somewhat unrelated to this video, but i have a suggestion if youre open to it: i personally would love to see you do a timeline video for the _Blade_ universe if you havent already. id especially like to learn more about how _Blade: The Series_ ties into the original three _Blade_ films starring Wesley Snipes. just thought that would be cool to see. again, awesome vid as per usual! oh, and happy new year! :)

I think that every Universe has its own Big Bang and in my opinion every Universe is in the Tree that Loki created in S2 for example the 838 Universe (with its own branches) is in the same tree as the 616 Universe (with its own branches).

37:56 you know, these differencies could be that the Collector dropped the reality stone, and a small part broke off of it, and they designed the Crusher to that shape, or something

Today Finally Daredevil is in MCU (Upload by an Official) Can't wait for Agents of SHIELD

I'm curious how the sun would look like in the paint universe. Good video. Can't wait for Echo.

I love this channel

Oh man I just got to half of the video and realized you and me are really on the same page . I didnt know you showed HWR and Kangs demonstration when I made my previous comments . I paused the video and didn’t realize I never finished it .

I am seeing all the discusions on the discord and i really think that marvel should choose this your opinion of multi multiverses . You are amazing on explaying 💯💯💯. Glad to have someone to guide US on this MCU multiverse mess😂

damn this channel should be bigger. i like how your understanding of the multiverse is similar to mine

Reed pointed out that you must leave a small footprint essentially not affecting what exists there. This won’t form an incursion. The incursion being something that requires fixing such as pruning.

Would love to get your thoughts on The Defenders Saga being reclaimed as canon by Marvel Studios and how that affects the other six series.

Essentially the way I see it is that Spider-Verse content would be part of the Omniverse. That it's their own Multiverse/Megaverse self-contained like that of DC and Dragon Ball and Fortnite etc. That in short crossovers and connections are still possible...It would just be going further than the concept of the Multiverse/Megaverse and that each of them truly do have their own rules (Canon Events for Spider-Verse, Incursions for the Marvel Megaverse for examples).

I feel like Mobius referencing "616" at all kind of speaks to the TVA having knowledge of other universes.

Can’t wait for what if season 3!

Hopefully Wade explains the multiverse fundamentals to the general audience in DP3 to the level that they have a good understanding of it before the movie is half over. Many have been lost while watching the latest shows and movies.

Amazing... Loki 2 seeped though my brains and flopped out of either one of two earholes... I haven't seen anyone else on YT dissect this stuff as you have. You are a singularity yourself ✊

9:13 "how do you get so different?" Simple: you just branch earlier.

I think 838 was probably supposed to be a 616 branch, or at least, at the point of writing MoM they didnt know their own rules yet. Honestly I think the best explanation of why travel between 838 and 616 was impossible is essentially a continuity error. I also think the animated and paint universes are stylistic choices for the sake of visuals and arent supposed to "fit" anywhere. I think your model is correct but I think all live action movies/shows will only ever show 616 branches and I think that includes 838 and The Marvels post credit scene via continuity error

Excellent breakdown! i actually didn't think the mcu multiverse was this well-written, and now that i think about it; Michael Waldron writing the next two avengers films makes sense 👌🏼

34:15 With evolution, it's not really about time, but generations, which are necessarily correlated with time only because it takes a while to make a new generation. But with the timelines, it doesn't require the passage of (significant) time to make a new generation (branch). That means you could have a branch of a branch of a branch (etc.) basically instantaneously, where the final one is incompatible with the first (in terms of stone/incursion rules), similar to how distantly related species are incompatible with each other. This just further strengthens your point about the different models being effectively the same! 🙂

17:47 I think that's a huge point- the difference between a reality and a "universe". The 616 variations has all the people and places but choices let to different outcomes. Timeline. Some characters and their playgrounds are isolated "realms" in shared realities. Like how there's a million new york heroes of different teirs that never cross paths and have their own rogues gallery. Yet all exist in 616. Character verses. And then there are parallel universes where species and places are changed but identities are consistent. Branches. And then realities where identities are changed but circumstances are similar so its a version of 616 with variant characters. Alternate realities. So like all the heroes of New york could show up in new york 616 live action realm. Even meet variants of themselves. But their rogues galleries and distinctions from their home "New York" would be enough distortion to be an incursion.

Something that I like to think about in model 3 is that the moment the infinity stones are created differently, the universe is released or disconnected by having different laws of reality by having different infinity stones and that would be why it cannot be traveling freely between those universes by having a different physical structure that is incompatible, that would explain the incursions in the MCU and the glitches in across the spider-verse

Finally someone else that understands how everything works.👏thank you I till people this and they look at me like I'm crazy. Loki only pulled together and saved his universe, creating a 616 multi-universe aka the (616 multiverse).

Marvel Studios should just hire you to end all the inconsistencies once in for all. Always looking forward to these in depth explanations 🙌