My issues are why would 1 watt make a difference anyone would notice, and why not use a better bearing if they intend to sale the unit at such a substantial cost? I know the saying OZs equal pounds and pounds equal pain, but I seriously doubt the 1 watt of potential energy savings is worth the price tag. Unfortunately someone's going to have to actually use one and report back if they noticed a difference. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Whe I think of people that buy these kind of products all i can think of is this - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsiFeZOSva6wmKs.html

I'm afraid your analysis of their measurements is incorrect. You are confusing the accuracy of the sensor with its resolution. It may only be able to accurately determine torque to say 0.1Nm, but it may have a resolution of 0.001Nm (made up figures). What is important here is the relative measurements between the 2 products.

@@leejohnmitchell I appreciate the resolution might be higher but the torque is lets say +/- 0.1Nm. You cannot be sure that one is reading at the max end the other is at the minimum end. You've got that error on two shafts so it would typically be standard deviation for the two errors to square and root them. Thus the error quoted is conservative. I would also point out that their graph shows Absolute numbers and not relative ones, it's 6W on the 52/11

@@leejohnmitchell Sort of; The reality is we do not know the accuracy figures of the sensors. Those figures quoted are a range the company warrants the device to be within, not it’s error, or correction, therefore we have no basis to start from nor does Absolute black. Then it even gets more complicated as this is quoted at a temperature. The manufacture also quotes the range is bigger at the lower end if I understand the manufacturers sheet correctly (although I can’t see the foot notes)

They will always find muppets that will pay 20.000 pounds for a bike. My local sold three in one week last week. More money than brains.

it's the bike equivalent of fancy smancy angel foo foo dust cables and interconnects for hi-fi.

It makes me wistful for days of old, when nights were bold, and grossly overpriced bling derailleur cages and pulleys were made from shiny exotic metal by skilled people with machine tools.

I measure the speed of dark with my android tablet! So know speed of dark is faster, I think Tyson said

I’ve commented on Absolute Blacks latest Instagram post that was trying to clarify their definition of ceramic bearings and I said: “guys, please, stop.” They deleted my comment and blocked my account. Seems like they can’t take criticism and I won’t be purchasing any more of their oval chainrings or products in the future.

I would like to see more of his expertise delivered in this measured, professional delivery. Less name calling and mud flinging, more cold, hard fact.

I have a backup if someone needs it.

They forgot to hit the Notification bell.

clocks went back, they must've missed it.

Consumer Alert, Thanks for exposing a now obvious ploy to exploit the less informed mass fashion market from wasting their time and money. However it won't stop everyone from buying one, but at least we can spot the gullible.

At some point something might be so disgusting that there simply aren't any words for it anymore, not even swear words ...

There isn’t even a scale. It must’ve been so far off the right it would’ve required a logarithmic scale

When that guy who is always loud is quiet, you know it's for real... Good video.

This pulley cage is absolutely a piece of junk. Terrible bearings, nothing ceramic about it, nothing carbon fiber about it nothing but injection molded plastic. The idea that they can charge consumer $700 for something that is inferior to the standard Shimano component is just mind-boggling. You can purchase an entire Ultegra derauiller and cage all for $100..Just a complete rip off.

Yes but you are missing the most important thing, it's oil slick anodised. You clearly need to start doing oil slick BBs, then you could charge the same, maybe drill a few dimples on them too.

And plus cash back

I'd accept the price if half of it went to sponsor junior racers.

@@WeirdNeville it still wouldn't be worth $350 though. You can buy a complete Durace derailleur for $200. I bought a 105 for $65 which is still better than the AB which doesn't look like it could survive 500 miles in grimey conditions.

I wish we had a MTB-Hambini.

If we do the quality would soon improve

@@th_js omg that's where the real overpriced bs is. Hamming totally needs to get into.mtb. there an industry that deserves a thorough reaming

@@cypriano8763 Exactly!!

@@th_js Hambini seem like a die hard roadie

That was scathing! So what if they are My mistresses? At least they can all live under the same roof without trying to kill each other. And the wife doesn’t mind…mostly. 😂

Hey!!! I have a wonderful knife set and all kinds of cool and useful kitchen gadgets... (... and *no CHEF status, nor KZfaq TikTok InstaGram FaceBook NetFlix etc. 'presence'* - so... Yeah, that kinda-sorta 'fits'...) Yet, I am alive and happy, so at least I keep myself and my dogs alive enough to *thoroughly ENJOY My somewhat 'blinged-out' 2017 Trek FarleyEX8 Full-Suspension FatTire MountainBike with 'Toxic Antifreeze' ONYX Hubs and Chartreuse Magura Pro MT7 Calipers and 220mm BrakeRotors and Manitou MastodonProEXT that I can ride nearly as good as almost anyone NOT Sponsored by an Energy Drink Company* (like RedBull Monster RockStar etc... so... I am very content... (... even while I Ride any of my 33+ other MountainBikes dating back to 1989...)

So it’s clearly a piece of shit, mainly based on marketing hype over engineering quality. Just for reference, Marcin (Polish) is pronounced Mar-chin.

😂😂

Well said. Ego and vanity overcomes all logic.

That had me cringing too!

Shop Rule #7, Cut towards your chum not your thumb.

@@ricksaunders3889 don't cut your body cut your buddy!

In engineering they say nothing is new in this World... we've just not figured out how to maķe it. Its purely marketing BS. If it was so effective, one begs to ask the question Why don't other manufacturers incorporate this into their designs.

The public always thinks there is some magic potential innovation that literally hundreds of years of engineering thought has missed. Usually it's the myth of some guy in a shed who has figured it all out.

There are people who take meds in case of illness, and there are people who put a hologram on phone to cancel "cancer causing radiation" or keep a cacti on desk to protect themselves from "laptop radiation". Obviously education isn't what it used to be 50 years ago.

Look, I don’t know why you’re slagging people who like to do their “own” research. It’s led to alternative treatments such ivermectin and drinking bleach. Surely the same methodology can be applied to cycling.

@@jasper12785 I think Ching-Yen Chen's comment was sarcasm. He was not disagreeing with you.

1970 ~ In the year 2021 there will be flying cars and electric footpaths 2021 ~ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gN2np9xyzJ6dqnk.html

@@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173 at least he gave a warning

They should get the ShamWow guy to market these things. It’d be right up his alley.

An arm chair engineer could probably improve their product

@@RossTheNinja yes by upgrading to a standard Shimano one

@@RossTheNinja My cat could improve their product... and he's dead.

😁😁

Oooh la la merci

They're still plastic bearings compared to the "full ceramic" they advertise

How is it more aero? It is bigger and has a big hole in it, so even those claims should be taken with a jar of salt🧂

unironically true for some bikes I've ridden. +25W drivetrain drag from two stage drive and -7.4 kW aerodynamic drag at 70 mph.

Yes. It is lighter, not heavier.

@@Baerchenization Dura-Ace 43g, AB 69g so >50% heavier

Can’t replace metal cage with plastic (carbon fibre filled), although it’s lower in density, but it’s lateral stiffness is too poor oz to oz compared to metal cage. Unless they sacrifice aesthetic for strength using plastic through proper engineering. But AB do not have that design strength, they are a pure marketing bs.

Long video for a coffee mate! I made a brunch out of Hambini making a meal out of AB. Tasty!

I had 2 cups...

I swear I read that Shimano prioritizes shift quality over other goals, so they might know that they can eke out some more watts with bigger pulleys, but they won't at the cost of shifting.

@Alfred Wedmore But it isn't ceramic. It's plastic. They'd be able to tell you *which* plastic, right?

@Alfred Wedmore Yes, the point was to check whether it contains typical elements/molecules seen in ceramics or elements/molecules seen in plastics.

To early for popcorn, I went down the soggy biscuit route 🤣

@@SteevioC eeeewww!

@@jonnythelegs2597 haha, I can't help it that at this time of the morning I'm unable to calculate the perfect dunk time.. 😅 A bit like AB's inability to calculate anything with accuracy other than their short term profit margin until their outing by Hambini

No clue what that refers to, you seem to know.

Even I can see that this bearing arrangement with its poor seals and loose fit will clog up in one (like this morning’s) wet ride. Then the whole arrangement will either destroy itself or just rotate in the shell making the loose fit rapidly looser. 🙄

@@EngineRebuilder I really like their chainrings but this product is a proper form over function cock up smh.

The surface texture is just an example of how crap piles up. Zipp started the dimples BS.

@@truantray dimpled/rough surface textures work in the right places, down there its totally pointless especially as the largest area of surface has a massive hole in it. Adding unnecessary leading and trailing edges to something they're implying has beneficial aero properties is a bit dim.

And stupid people that buy these pos

Don't forget Raoul Luesher and his yellow pen... it's less than ideal. 🤓

time for a vid wayno

Shimano derailleurs historically deliberately designed side float specifically into the top jockey wheel in order to allow it to align more closely with the chain coming off the sprocket after the gear shift has competed, correcting for small variations in the gear indexing position. Once the amount the derailleur has to move to change gear is significantly more than the side float in the jockey wheel this is actually an advantage. The Shimano jockey wheels of this design were running on a bushing made from actual ceramic with proper rubber lip seals to keep the dirt out too. The lack of side float in newer 12 speed derailleurs due to Shimano moving to cartridge bearings is, I suspect, part of why my 12 speed shifting is much more prone to noise in certain gears than 10, 9 or 8 speed ever were. The truly depressing thing is that this is likely to be a concession to marketing on the MTB side as SRAM started using cartridge bearings which, with SRAM being being SRAM, seized on exposure to mud unless you cleaned them out completely after riding before the mud set in the bearing, in their jockey wheels. Since every marketing scumbag knows it's an easy sell to market cartridge bearings as an upgrade to bushings, rather than fight this bullshit with the justification for their design choices, Shimano rolled over on the bearing choice and made their product worse. In their defence, at least Shimano seal their jockey wheel cartridge bearings competently, so they run with no maintenance or seizing for thousands of km until the bearing starts wearing into what's effectively a rattly spherical bearing. Older ceramic bush jockey wheels would run maintenance free for considerably longer though - basically until the teeth completely wore off them - and still shift gears perfectly though, so it was a downgrade on durability too. Maybe the friction on cartridge bearings is less, but everything else was better with ceramic bushings.

@@peglor agreed mate, I was going to say the same thing. The slight lateral play in derailleur guide pulleys is there for smooth shifting purposes - I've had Tiagra 4600, 105 5700, and 105 R7000 rear mechs that all have this. Fair play to AB for retaining that in their design, but they messed up everywhere else IMO.

Well spotted that man. It looks like a quadring, which is basically used as a double lipseal. I use them on low speed gearbox outputs.

The OSPW might be heavier, but think of how light your wallet will be.

@@TypeVertigo The side float isn't free enough me me to believe that AB intended this as a feature - especially given they glued the bearing in place...

with that much flex, I can't imagine one of those lasting long on my bike 🤣🤣

Good point!

it’s gonna lead to excessive binding of the chain for sure.

Joy is can say the stuff is like cars, Bugatti veyron vs fiat 500, both the same as get you somewhere at same time Some stuff is better, I personally like seeing people show china made stuff, oh I hope china not sort Taiwan out as for carbon rims I avoid china and hope to get them in Taiwan, I love building my own

Those cranks were bullshit though, they had no advantage over straight cranks, just weighed more, flexed more and snapped more often

I must admit I was thinking the exact same thing

It made the deep scar on my hand twinge with PTSD.

He is only 5 years old though

I would buy that.

i would buy it as well.

Shit, I guess I'd better give it a go!

We await your link!

@@FatBlokeDoingStuff drop me an email and I'll publicise it!

Also check out Paul Aston if you are into MTB, he go in depth too.

@Andrew Grayson .........Absolutely hilarious 🤣👍

Except the prototype is likely custom machined from a plate of 7075 and cost 10-100x more than the production version.

Tom, How long have you used this “cage”? I have to wonder if the J&L version suffers from the same bearing fit and construction as the one tested. I’m just thinking it wouldn’t last too long. Bearings being loaded eccentrically aside, hat side load issue, with just a little wear, would make indexing a nightmare.

diore sounds like an italian mountain bike groupset

Diore >>> Deore

Makes me smile when i see my oversized wheeled Altus RD

Its like my Dura-Ace brakes on my Campa set up, I call them Dur’ache 🤌🏼

Nice to have this gem of a reaming video back. I guess u won over AbsoluteCrap dear Hambini!

Do you think you get a fancy jewel box for a Trickstuff brake because it cost nearly 1000€? I really hate packaging who shines. No one other then a fucking hoarder needs that.

@@Vanadium No one needs a $700 pulley either, so...

@@trekkeruss I didn't said anything about the pulley. I am certain we dont need that. On the other hand I have hydraulic brakes with Goodrige hose and rotors who cost more then 1k.

I'm all for PC low-impact packaging tbh. It's just going in the bin anyway.

Lol, almost fell of my trainer 🤣🤣

I have traveled to Kessel in less than that many parsecs! :P

How do you measure the radius of a neutrino if there are no neutrinos? What measurement are you making?

to "lie without lying" you just compare your product in everything you have with last year one, and then pick the few things that has the bigger numbers, 20% stiffer, means it's 20% stiffer from something that already was as stiff as hambini's balls, then that 20% means nothing, it changes nothing. inflating numbers by comparing them to things that has no reference is at this point, part of the cycling industry

There's no contradiction in your setup. Claiming more stiffness, compliance, and less aero losses says nothing about cost. The contradiction is that despite claimed 20% year on year improcements, today's bikes aren't that much stiffer, more compliant, or aerodynamic than bikes 10 years ago. This is basically a result of UCI limits on mainstream bike design.

Peaktorque YT channel after this video : stonks

The blowtorch definitely dispelled his suspicion though.

I would love to see a chemical analysis from a lab guys!

Are you testing if commenting on older videos drives up the views there hambini?

*_Test_*

The pen is working

... or that the video is *'up'* again, after being 'flagged' or deleted or something...

Yes, the pen is working!

lolz given the leverage you get on the teeth they may run as smooth as ever. they made it maintenance free. a real moneysaver...

It's not a bug, it's a feature! - some developer somewhere

LOL 😆👍

I think the people who buy these sorts of products don't work on their bikes, they get their elitist bike shop to overcharge them for it while they sip on a cafelate.

He’s a Dr...

That's OK, his thumbs are made from carbon steel🤣

Hah i thought the exact same thing! Cut towards your chum, not your thumb...

EVERYBODY has done that at some point. No big deal.

@@jimbarron8688 i mean, he didn’t even have his safety squints on! ( we are joking around btw)

LoL I was thinking the same thing & $700 is pocket change in that world.

I'd love to see Hambini ream the £2000 fuses for sale for audiophile equipment!!!! That's a whole other world of false claims and fools with very deep pockets!

As an audio engineer, I was thinking the exact same thing lol

yes it does.

the shifting isn't good either.