just watched a party of levels 3 body the raider. they didn't waste there time with level 4 they just made everyone 3 and just kept the pressure on as those that ran out of power recharged and came back.

I keep getting revived by people with senzu beans right where the raider killed me and when I get up I instantly die again and can’t play

This could definitely work

Yes

Only if they stay and spectate after they die twice

See the problem with that is it would benefit the survivors and Bandai and of course Hit mains from xenoverse 2 wouldn't like that.

no thats cringe seriously we dont need survivors to have infinite lives we need survivirs to not be selfish two guys power charge rush the raider then someone breaks buu free or sometimes the raider lets you escape cause they wanna play kid buu but were not gonna give infinite lives to survivors so they can run around like idiots even longer

Destroying areas in addition to limiting the amount of places the enemy has to run, eliminates the amount of escape time machines can spawn. Only 2 areas means only 2 ways of getting away making them much easier to watch.

@@Inviabledude45 Yeah, but that's kinda my point, they're not playing to win at that point, just to guarantee as many kills as possible. In fact, many killers wait as long as possible to use their area destruction or just avoid it entirely to keep the super time machine from spawning, and by extension, the escape time machines from spawning once the super time machine has been destroyed.

​@@Inviabledude45especially for freeza who has 2 summons who are almost ALWAYS up at lv3/4 and they pretty much auto at that point watch escape mechine 24/7

True, not only that survivors don't bother helping other survs since raiders camp them or too focus on dragon balls and keys. In fact the only way to win is to kill the raider with a lvl 4 change survivor. Plus as for survivors depending on what the situation is at hand. In this case you have a lvl 3 raiders with 4 survivors, no sheilds or regan's with one area key not place 2 of them destroyed and raider needs 2 more downs to lvl up. I. This case best to not go for key and instead just let one of your teammates dies.

@@Exozealots in other words you NEED to gank the asshole to "win" a round then?

new xenoverse 2 gamemode?!

Technically it counts as "completing a match as a survivor" on the challenges but doesn't count as "winning a match as a survivor". But I get what you mean. Was thinking the same exact thing when I first played this game.

Etm isn't a win. proof: trunks doesn't send emts in the beginning of the match because he wants you to help him fix the seam. escaping from a battle isn't winning idk where people came up with this idea

Well to be fair the time Patrollers can fight the gods of Destruction and their angels and win I don't think Frieza Cell or buu would be much of a challenge

I don't know about the lower raider wish because depending when this wish is used it would be impossible for the raider to recover. But considering the current balancing of the game in favor of the raider I wouldn't be surprised

U really think I’m finna stay to spectate get wish back only to die to a lvl 3 Buu or any form of Frieza?

ETM also shows up when only 3 survivors are left and all power keys have not been placed yet.

Yes they need to give Kid Buu at level 1 so all you have to do when the game starts is Human extinction and you win

"Get away from you fucking rodent" Had me rolling.

It's so hard to move around the map, i get lost all the time so we need this buff NOW

@@Senhormuitofino Make the raider a button that make's him teleport to a survivor

If my dog can't win as raider it's too hard

no no no no no HORABLE IDEA

Wait só buff is still playing The game damm i though he would quit

If even with level 4 you cant do shit to Raider what can you do even with everyone at level 3 ? he will still just down you one after the other

@@toshinoriyagi1887 Or he could just stall with a area destruction

@@toshinoriyagi1887 If 7 lv3s can't beat the raider they are absolutely terrible at the game, all you need to do is surround the raider so no matter where he dodges he is gonna get hit with a ki blast, I've get about 5 raider deaths a day its not that hard with some decent skill and teamwork.

@@Crispierbug u can do that if u play with a preset team with friends but if u play with randoms it cant work they need to add vocal chat for that to actually work thats the problem

@@Crispierbug its not hard to jump the raider but it is hard to get 7 randoms to coordinate attacks. i lost a few matchs because the raider had like 1hp left but last two people with change energy, change lv 2 and 3 absolutely refused to join the fight and just let the raider destroy the time machine. then they escaped. like bruh its not hard at all with a decent team but my god did the buff make some players terrified to protect the time machine. game feel so different from a few weeks ago

They like the game they just hate how Bandai Namco/DIMPS is ruining it.

this is way better than when steed and pro played the game right after the first 2 balance changes iirc. back then all they doing were just whined on every single thing and barely played. i get it that this game is horribly balanced but did you have to bitch and moan every 6 seconds?

This is just your average dead by Daylight like game community, they shit on the game 24/7 but play it 24/7, every time they get off it they say "fk you and I'll see you tomorrow".

It counts like a regular lose for the raider and you kill him

@@sologreen5312 that's good to know thanks

The anime showed he could make a copy inside himself, so it just works.

He was fighting Goku and Vegeta in his own body

but is the ratio based on indevidual player wins? Because couldnt you just divide the survivor wins and losses by 7 to get a 1-1 average?

Buu shouldn't even be smart enough to read a radar

@@jonseon5952 nah just spopovich and then he loses the ability to use a radar when buu hatches

The thing with frieza is the dragon radar is a civilian radar plus a survior radar. I found a red box with a level 3 radar 5 seconds into the match and let's just say it was an auto win. Couldn't get my immortaitly because the last person with a dragon ball suicided. I would have let him escape if he had given me the dragon ball.

@@Inviabledude45 ye bro the raiders are just broken in this game (except spopovich and fat buu more so spopovich) they should nerf radars for raiders

I understand animation cheese is something you want avoided but that was really the only team based aspect of the game. Also keep in mind even with animation cheese every raider has at least 1 escape move. Animation cheese wasn't too much of an issue against raiders like Frezia and Buu but Bandai keeps doing overall changes to the raider instead of buffing just Cell. So the already oppressive raiders have gotten stronger. Also it was clear that the vision of the game was to keep the dragon ball style fights in the game instead of just a Friday the 13th clone which has you jump through hoops and hurdles to even think about killing Jason. I feel like if this game was purely escape and stall it would flop even faster. Also Bandai clearly doesn't think all the abilies are for stalling because they increased the time of STM and power keys, lowered the effectiveness of Bulma and increased the cooldown of grappling hook. Survivors would have to actually bash their heads against the raider, jump him or skill stun spam at all times to ensure they survive a fight or stall long enough to get even 1 key. I think the previous balance was fine, it's just that not everyone who wanted to play raider understood how to play to their overwhelming strength. There is actually a method to secure that shenron is never summoned and all you have to do is save 1 area destruction for the dragon balls.

@@sologreen5312 one escape move where each survivor has nearly infinite melee moves to keep them pin down. Also I think you miss the point. The problem isn't anamation locking( effectively stunning the raider) isn't the promblem. You can do that to Jason vorhees( do it to many times and he builds a rage meter and becomes immune). Also you can have survivors fighting the raider in order to keep the raider busy or distracted which was the orignal intent which is why dragon change has a time limit. The promblem is when said anamtion locking leads to you easily killing the raider which pre update the survivors had to massively f up to not beat the raider. Even now in the overpowered state of raiders, outside of cell who can ki sense at level 2 and auto transforms to level 2 after a certain time period and only 2 civilians, I would say the game is still the surviors to lose. I found in my matches as long as the survivors don't make blatantly stupid decisions and feed the raider and actually play to win by stm, you win 90 percent of the time. However if surviors blatantly feed the raider( especially buu) and you have 2 players disconnect or just not fight at all during the stm than the raider wins. And the thing is that should be the case? You shouldn't be able to have even one or 2 players comeptly throw and still win the match which is something you could have done pre buff. Litterally pre raider buff 3 survivors could pretty much solo the stm and win if they were geared up enough. The main issue with the current state of the game is just matchmaking because you have level 4s that litrerally don't fight the raider during stm when its 80 percent done, 2 people afk during the stm fight with full change power and lose with it 80 to 90 percent done, and than you just have people run towards people rezzing someone numerous times and getting 2 to 3 people killed in the process. It's really hard to justify asking for surivorrs buffs or complaining about low survivor win rate when there's players that litterally do that. The only thing I would say about raiders is cell should have not ki sense at level 2 and super buu is litterally an auto win with his ki blast but like I said if you don't feed buu and your team isn't stupid fat buu and spookvich are incredibly weak so outside of getting a civilian raider, realistically they should never reach super buu outside of your team throwing. Outside of those 2 nerfs cell and buu, the only other change for balance is have the surivorrs have a reasltic way of saving someone from being aborbed. So have it in fornite where you can pick up dead allies and carry them away so a higher level dragon change can pummel a low level raider and let an escape victim get away. And people who rezzed should have a barrier so they don't immediately get shot back down considering there's a getting up anamation on top of needing to be rezzed for 10 seconds.