That's so sick

Epic

Cannon to fnf or madness combat? I'm not familiar with who made either.

@@alecberry1823 Krinkles made Madness Combat, not FNF.

@@alecberry1823 Madness combat

He died to the first black note

That one clearly didn’t count he hit it to see what it did. The second run was the actual attempt.

Same it took me like 2 hours to beat

@@beaneyguy3815 yeah, but its first try in essence. He hit the black note on purpose

@@jackdog06 well he knew the blacknotes were bad. Because he did just play hellclown, but I'm sure it was just a reaction, because of how sudden the note is

Oooh, what a hard roast

*apply water to the burned area*

Got *DAMN!*

*“What you wanna do is to control the burn”*

damn

I never thought I'd see it again after the 5th grade

@@acai28 Yeah holy shit it's really cool to see. Hell, the creators handed me a career on a silver platter. They're really great dudes. Thank you for making these videos man, they're fun as hell and they spread word about the series.

@@acai28 Yyyuuup. Seeing it and it's creator still around is sort of surreal, but in a really good way.

Lit

Videos lit

yeah it's the same thing again all over again now.

@@RenShinomiya121 Yep, objective difficulty vs subjective difficulty. Even seeing some StepMania vets here wondering how he managed to beat it with slow scroll. The difference lies within how Guitar Hero and DDR teaches you, GH's scroll is very slow by comparison.

@@vuthara8725 i mean im okay with him lowering scroll speed like its cool and all to play how u wanna play but it does objectively make it easier (copied from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

@@cCheesie Fair enough, it's the exception and not the rule, though he did make it through almost the entire song on the 3.5 scroll speed. I'm not going to discount that, this is still a very high level of skill regardless.

@@vuthara8725 yeah that's ok and like i said he basically did most of it normally plus it's his decision so ty for understanding :)

:D

😀

The one and only is here pog

Poggers, would love to see another crazy mod from you and the content creators would play it for me because _my pc can't even run FNF and I'm suck at rhythm games._

less go kadedev

pure passion bro

concentrated power of will

@@Tokiko or multiple months of immense suffering by the devs

The Modders are taking over lol

I'm curious. Does higher scroll improve your reaction timing, or is it just the games you've been playing?

Try the arrow skin, and you might change your mind.

@@Peko1a I use the circle skin, I try arrows in Etterna and I couldn't read them as well as circles. I'm using the bars for 7 key so if I get more progress on learning 7 key I might switch to those.

@@renewalacumen1770 If you have trouble parsing multiple arrows at once, increasing scroll speed spaces it out so I might be easier to read. Of course, it can only helps so much if the game itself doesn't give you a lot of space to read them.

@@renewalacumen1770 some people prefer to play songs at higher scroll speeds, since for some it's easier to react to a bunch of notes spread out than try to understand a bunch of notes clumped together. I think both speeds have their own learning curve, so it's hard to go from one to another suddenly

that man deserves a medal LOL

yes

30 minutes for me, bouta nuke this shit in the microwave real quick

Got to agree

Nom nom tasty content

An hour for me, drop in the nearest volcano and we should be fine

What ninjamuffin SHOULD do is just make this an official week.

@@ZxDsE lmao

@@BoomBoomSoup oaml

at this point he should hire the tricky mod team

Ninja muffin needs to hire more people. Because that’s what the mods are doing and is why they are becoming better quality than the actual game

If you find that being able to see the notes you’re playing is more fun, then do that

Besides being the same notes per second, the difficult of the song is exactly the time reaction to read these notes and reducing the scroll speed, that time increases being more easy to read the chart

It still is easier, but literally who cares it’s just a game

(copied from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

@@cCheesie Expurgation is EASIER than Hellclown on a slower scroll speed. The mines in Expurgation are much less conspicuous than the ones in Hellclown, but they lose effectiveness at a slower scroll. Take into account that because of the increased danger Expurgation mines pose, theres a smaller number of them, meaning they lose even MORE effectiveness. Hellclown isnt really affected by slower scroll speeds because the mines are plenty in the chart, and it can overload the amount of information placed on the screen, and the lack of an easy to follow rhythm (time signatures always changing) makes it tricky.

@@lemonzest8650 kinda except its way easier to focus on the actual notes and not hit the red ones in slower scroll speed atleast for me aswell also expurgation in general just has a harder chart

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i wish it was still dead ngl

@Aiden Howell bro madness 12 is gonna take forever im literally animating my own madness flash animation bc its just a long fucking wait

@Aiden Howell at least it basically guarantees mc12 will be very good

@@macieligor3826 IDIOTIC

if they just had a damn highway option it would be fine lol

he has more time to process the instakills, the notes getting hit the same is alright because thats how it is for all rythm games but specifically for tricky it makes it easier lol

Yeah the highway speed being super high yet unchangeable is a war crime

Fnf mods are chock full of outright artificial difficulty and cheese, yet people wonder why fnf and it's community is hated with such a burning passion by 99% of people, rhythm gamers especially Small edit: it actually makes me genuinely sad to see theres kids in the chat who are getting genuinely enraged by acai turning the garbage default scroll speed down

@@yiff calling it garbage is not necessary it's just not that good

Agreed

TRUE.

Fnf community = undertale community, change my mind, but you can’t.

@@ghostlydude6478 how is this relevant to the comment

The FNF fandom altogether itself is just the worst thing you can find on the internet right now (next to dream stans)

@@di4mnd409 undertale used to have a fandom that was just like fnf, if anything history is just repeating itself now.

Doesnt it break the purpose of expurgation Unfair difficulty it's meant to be unfair he almost got it first try, and possibly the firet ppl i saw change the scroll speed i just curious.

(copied from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

It did kinda break it but whatever

In my opinion it really breaks the terror of hitting the halo notes. The people who made this aren't really evil to the point where they spammed it everywhere. There's barely in the beginning where most of them are in beginning or end of your turn ( there's literally just some placed out notes during the hold notes in the midway where Tricky yells Hank) only the end part was really hard because they increase the number of notes to avoid and start putting some of them in between normap notes. As evil as the final stretch looks like, it actually isn't as hard if you remember that the first notes of this whole song is the same as the ending and all you literally have to do is tap them again without missing most of them.

Chat is just a bunch of salty people who can't pass songs and justify doing "hard" stuff as the legit way. stay malding chat.

you could also say that the payoff for lower speed is that the road signs cover more notes

I can't expect Acai's chat to be super well-versed in all Rhythm games, since he's known for Clone Hero. that said, it's p a i n f u l l y clear none of them have ever touched a 4k mania type game for more than like, 5 minutes. Scroll speed's really cool in that it's not just a customization and preference option, but effectively changes what type of player you are. People that are really proficient in these games have different scroll speeds, but it doesn't change the difficulty, but it does change the *type* of difficulty. High scroll speed players have to react quickly, but after the muscle memory is worked out, they have a lot more visual clarity for hitting the notes, and timing them. Slow scroll speed players may not have to react quickly with reflexes, but they have the luxury of having a sea of notes on screen at a time, that they have go read and decipher the order, while also timing everything as it flows into the slots like molasses. They're different types of difficulty, but they're both at the same level.

As a 4k stepmania player, i can point that scroll speed changes a lot the type of difficult, depending on the song it can be easy or hard, in that case it changed to easy because the time of reaction but in a note spam chart, the faster the scroll speed the easier it gets, but yes, for me he didn't played legit since the obstacle of the song is exactly the reaction time but that is my opinion

@@davidk7439 as a continuation, many do perfer different scroll speeds. For Stepmania, I'm a 500-550 kinda person, but some people just need to read slower or perfer to read slower because of said sea of notes, and that's dope, you do you, but because I can't read that slow stream of notes, therefore I need to play at a faster speed. If it's too fast for you, slowing it down may help you out in the long run. Of course, trying things out of your comfort zone will always be benifical, but when it's like 700 speed, yea no. Chip away at it over time and you'll eventually land on the 700 spectrum.

Based

@@LuisSilva-nt4vu based

@Mega Idk I just repeated what the first guy said

Based

@Mega Based means agreeable or speaking the truth.

@Vinson Edwards no.

@Vinson Edwards No.

@Vinson Edwards no.

@Vinson Edwards no

@Vinson Edwards 'ou

I don't know how, but I fucking beat it at the normal speed. Seeing this change to the notes... Slower... I wanted to cry. 6 hours to complete it.

@@Soyeldarkion it’s just as hard because it’s the same notes per second, you just don’t have to deal with each note being on screen for half a fucking frame

@@Brent-jj6qi So, its harder, yes

@@moralstrash Its unfair and autistic

@@Brent-jj6qi you don't know what autistic means, so why use it in a scenario like this? That's stereotypical bs there.

hot take: Hex as a character makes my ears bleed and the mod needs some serious reworking

Another hot take: i dont really like the smoke em out struggle mod

Hot take 3 tricky is not as good as everyone things I don't enjoy it at all

​@@benoice2384 hellclown aint that gr8 compared to the first 2 songs

@@Machineseven I have to agree. IMO, Madness is such a banger of a song. Followed by Expurgation and Improbable Outset.

It shocks me that people get upset at a game, especially when others play it differently. I'll say this, if it's in the settings and it's allowed to be changed then the game ALLOWS you to do it. Even if it means changing the songs scroll speed.

Thanks peter from hit show family man

Hey stick war 3 man

FNF players fuming when speed runners play the game differently than everyone else

I think the only thing is that it is much easier to see the auditor/tricky notes so that whole mechanic is pretty much nullified.

thanks i did it myself

@@acai28 how far can you pee and poop?? Id readlly like to no!! I can pee 10 feat!! What about you??? I can't poop far though😭😭

@@OmegaDeltaOmicron comedy

Acai pog

its right back into the "if games aren't hard, why would i play them" or "your a baby and can't play games", cause you wanna play differently and theres a fucking options menu for a reason LOL

It's not like it's a competition with a specific note speed for money. That would probably be a good reason to get upset. But no, it's just someone livestreaming a mod for fun and the reactions of people watching him play.

Tricky has 4 fingers 😕

and anyone who's seen the series he's from KNOWS he can fuck things up

I love how he actually forces the health bar back even if you're playing well in his last song. Only the best sigma grinders get to beat his ass

To be fair, it's a rhythm game. It's about characters talking a big game and then losing to the beep boy. There doesn't really need to be a sense of danger to it, considering it's mostly rap battles. Hell, in the real game there's only one character with a sense of danger, and that's Tank Man.

@@sinfulbehaviors2004 that's not his point. A lot of mods have OCs that are supposed to be powerful, but really aren't. Really hurts the experience. Imagine like a mod for Thanos where he opens up with an hour long monologue about how fucked you are then farts out 5 notes and dies. If the character is supposed to be powerful, it should be reflected in the gameplay.

@@Trigger0x10c It's also why I liked Hex cuz he was just a bro having fun instead of just being a generalized rat about things.

Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

He said “aren’t” not “are”, which is why I said that.

@@bentowers3614 because dare someone actually play a rhythm game as a rhythm game and not a reaction time test for four minutes.

agreed, down to earth can be seen without boasting about it, if im making any sense

if 1 is the default speed and 0.1 is the slowest, what note speed would you play at? im curious because you call your reaction time slow lol

@@iliketoast3211 its 300 ms type slow

Yeah, people argue over anything that isn’t default settings.

Non rhythm gamers saying slower scroll speed = cheating. By that logic, keybinding is cheating, faster scroll speed is cheating, note skins is cheating.

@@RenShinomiya121 i dont mind him using slower sped he can complete it how he wants but come on it DOES change the difficulty (copied this from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

@@cCheesie there's something wrong about that... for some players, they can't play with a low scrollspeed... Ok, there's some songs that use a fast scrollspeed, but also there's others who uses a slower one... While they can play the faster ones normally, they can't play these slow ones, so, I order to "fix their problems" they decides to increase the speed, and I'm one of these dudes who can't play with slow speed ('cause I feel the notes are merging each other) And... As the second guy commented, if changing the scrollspeed is cheating, is as well changing the keybinding, noteskin, offsets, gauges (some games with certain Health Bars)

@@AlexisBlade2001 yeah but expurgation is the EXCEPTION the 2nd guys comment is POINTLESS because expurgation has UNIQUE MECHANICS that makes slowing down the game cheating whereas in most other songs its not. Just like if there was a song with like purposefully wierd keybinds or something i would also consider changing keybinds cheating

oof yeah

ghost tapping on? no one cares scroll speed low? the world goes insane

scroll speed =/= difficulty

@@Vosian sometimes that scroll speed can be crazy

@@Vosian scroll speed ~ difficulty

@@Vosian scroll speed = difficulty

Most FNF fans have never played another rhythm game besides FNF lmfao.

i know right

ikr it’s baby mode

I love how people say theyre good then have ghost tapping on.

Y’all bein toxic asf if you’re serious. Let people play how they wanna play.

@PuppoGaming into basically when you press and you miss health doesn't go down

@PuppoGaming basically spam when you turn it on you can spam as much as you want and you won't lose health but if you turn it off it's anti-spam

and a W for you understanding that everyone plays differently

considering he wasn’t able to beat it without the lower speed, clearly it does something meaningful to the difficulty.

To be fair, it does meaningfully change the difficulty of a chart with a gimmick where you have to have to react to avoid a specific note. A slower scroll makes it easier to avoid said notes since you have longer to react. Nothing against doing it, I myself am so shit at rhythm games I had a hard enough time getting through normal base fnf, but it's disingenuous to say it does "nothing meaningful to the difficulty" of this particular case.

@@randomcanadian6298 And yet a slow scroll speed would severely fuck up your tempo on note reads and make the mines a lingering problem you have to multitask around. This is a mechanic designed and used for slower charts more often than not.

@@Sarahsqueak because slower chart relies less on reaction speed. not everyone is good in that department and that's okay. not everyone is gonna have 150ms reaction of an esports player. that is something you need to consistently train and that is something that naturally worsens with age too.

@@Sarahsqueak mald doe

Acai just wanted to hurry and beat it too

Banbuds himself said why not

That's kind of how it works, fast goes indeed equal harder

Less time to react = more tears Doesn't justify people being so upset about this, but technically true.

Well, the faster the notes the faster you need to react so yeah, it's a little bit harder

@@Outzid3r faster scroll speed also makes patterns easier to read so wtv

Scroll speed is more a matter of personal preference and accessibility rather than something that’s meant to be part of the difficulty. Just like how for controls some people prefer arrow keys, some people prefer WASD, some people prefer DFJK, and so on, it’s also the case that for scroll speeds some people like it slower and some people like it faster. Slower is easier to react to but harder to read. Faster is harder to react to but easier to read.