You may need to watch some UNC football games and NCSU games before you say UNC has more fans/ticket sales/attendance.

Unc tv numbers r horrible around 11 in conference for football

Ncs and unc are the major players in the ACC. There is a power block there and with WF and Duke and will stand together. Miami and Clemson can leave if they want. ACC is primarily a basketball league but what they don’t get is the SEC are quickly rivaling the ACC because of money. The SEC basketball teams will over take them very soon. The ACC is being mismanaged and is not promoting their schools best interests

The odds are not in Miami's favor to get a B1G invite. The B1G has one private school in Northwestern and only wants another if it's Notre Dame. That has been clear for years.

Good! UNC is primarily a basketball school and the face of the ACC (along with Duke)…neither team should EVER leave the ACC.

California already went thru this…and USC /UCLA split from Cal/Stanford…can’t hold anybody back without lawsuits galore!

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unc football is a joke

Making sure I watch all these with your normal content Go Noles!!!

This might hurt the chances of them joining the BIg10. For the SEC, they might take both and it might hurt UVA instead.

Its only sports, either way it'll be OK. Remember what makes college football special folks. We already have the NFL if you prefer. I just don't get why everyone is hell bent on destroying the college game.

'Availability' will be key. Clemson and Miami seem to be closer to being 'available' than others.

A Local View: NC State has won 6 of the last 8 football games against UNC and was the swing vote that changed that allowed the addition of the recent three additional schools, based entirely on the financials. The fans bases hate each other (more than Duke vs UNC). So I would discount any collusion between these two schools in terms of realignment. As you indicated, both schools and the ACC itself are NC based have serious history with considerable energy. And I am sure there is an interlocking collection of Big Four alumni on various boards (as well as many fans) who want to see the ACC continue in its new form (Hello Stanford, Cal and SMU). If/when FSU which has been a distraction and never a core ACC institution, leaves the ACC, would that make UNC an ACC Kingpin and so be to their advantage? Clemson and Miami have worked well in the ACC and may chose to transition out which would not create problems for the ACC. But yeah, due to politics UNC is probably not going anywhere.

I’m a North Carolina fan. I’d love to be in a new conference. Change is a good thing, especially with the new weird rules about transfers and nationwide conferences.

If you are talking just football, it’s FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Virginia Tech.

NCSU has beaten FSU and Clemson many times. How many times has UNC beat them the last 10 years? 😊

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UNC has been running the ACC for decades. I hope they are tied to NC State like a ball and chain. The Big XII would be a great place to see them end up; either that or a rebuilt ACC with no C lemson, FSU, Miam or Duke. My heart would bleed for them.

At least unccheat won’t get their asses whupped by NC State every FB season

The question is how many teams does the Big10 & SEC go to? Same for the Big12. Note: lots of rumors that the Big12 wants Miami, VT, Pitt, Louisville. NCST would be 5th

They signed a horrible contract prompted by a commissioner that did a bad job. SEC and Big10 shouldn't bail any of them out.......effectively eliminating them from strengthening their programs. They are screwed by falling behind each and every year until their contract expires. By that time their football programs will be a shell. All in the name of keeping a governing ACC board getting their paychecks and the colleges programs to suffer.

What are the student enrollment numbers for UNC and NC St? Alumni?

UNC brand is basketball. NC State is a better football program than UNC. I think UNC would fit the Big 10 and NC State would fit the SEC. Problem is those conference are not working together

ACC is also located in NC. So it’s possible that they are pulling a lot of strings there

NCSU has more students than UNC-Chapel Hill. The Univesity of North Carolina System includes all of the state-funded colleges/universities in the State. The UNC System Board has the authority to make decisions about schools moving to another conference. Only about 1% of all colleges and universities in the USA break even on sports, and the ones that do often charge a high athletic fee for their students. On the average, students pay about😊 $1000 per semester, but students are not the ones you see in the football stands.

UNC/NC State are tied now. Virginia/Virginia Tech are tied as well.

A lot of people confuse the UNCCH and NCSU fanbases and all their vitriol with the two school's as academic institutions. They are actually very friendly and cooperative. They work together in research projects, have graduate programs that involve classes taken at both schools and work done interchangeably, and generally are good neighbors. They are really two parts of the 16 university. As to the Board of Governors, they are political in that they are appointed based on political and business connections, in this case, overwhelmingly Republican as the GOP controlled legislative branch a few years ago stripped the Governor of the power to appoint any of the membership. Expect the BOG to be beholding to those who got them there and expect those decisions to be not so much to benefit NCSU specifically but more to protect the business interests of the state, and that may or may not benefit NCSU. What I do think they would object to would be for a member school, in this case UNCCH, deciding to leave the ACC buy borrowing a great deal of money to do so. I can't see them viewing this as fiscally wise.

UNC won’t go anywhere without ncsu & vice versa. State legislators will keep them together. Ncsu is the way more attractive football brand anyways rn. Edit: the NC schools operate a lot like the Arizona schools in terms of being a package

I believe its ti keep there rivarly going year in and year out. Waiting on duke and wake forest to be added to this. U move on u take all four or nothing

A couple things hold UNC back not the least being in a very small TV market.

Didn't the Texas legislature try to stop Texas A&M from going to the SEC, and the Oklahoma legislature push bundling Oklahoma and Oklahoma State as a package deal if they left the Big12? These efforts didn't succeed, and I wonder if the same efforts with UNC and NC State will succeed where Texas and Oklahoma failed. The SEC has gotten rid of divisions which eliminates restrictions on keeping the divisions balanced by the number of teams in each, and it eliminates a limit on the number of teams added. This gives the SEC the edge in picking up these teams, with the primary limit on the number of teams added being financial - does adding a North Carolina or FSU add more revenue than it takes away as television money is divvied up? Other than increasing the costs of traveling to play in more distant venues, why wouldn't and SEC - Big 10 unofficial merger now work well for both conferences?

UNC and UVA are both handcuffed to their instate counterpart (State and VT respectively). Clemson and FSU don’t have this issue. This is why I predict UNC and NC State, along with UVA and VT, both go to the SEC as package deals with Clemson and FSU being the first big moves to the B16, the aftermath of which is Stanford, ND, GT, and Miami going to the B16 as well, with the SEC picking up a handful of other teams to expand to 24 (looking at Okie State, Kansas, K State, and maybe SMU). I still think Boo got State an invite to the SEC with putting Bama in over FSU.

BOG stacked by General Assembly and that is majority republican. UNC is a liberal arts school and leans kind of left. Also, several BOT folks went to NCSU. This was a move drawn from jealousy

I hope the ACC doesn't crumble. 4 P5 conferences is better than 3. Ideally I would like it to get down to 2 conferences though

Truth be known UNC-CH would really rather stay where they are. The Board of Governors don't want an individual school within the system to make a "deal with the devil" borrowing from a venture capital group to buy their way out of the ACC. It's all about the financials. If it's $200 million to exit the ACC that's not a debt that the BOG would like to see a school take on and they would veto that plan. Also bare in mind that a healthy ACC brings a lot of financial benefit to the the state of NC and it is in our state's best interest that it remain strong. This might well stop the exit at either FSU alone or FSU and Clemson in which case the ACC will be fine. I don't think Miami is as attractive as some do and wonder if their trustees view a huge buyout from the ACC GOR as a wise move.

It will not stop UNC from leaving the the ACC and it doesn't tie UNC to NCSU. We can only be legally blocked from moving to a different conference based on the financial plan that we present to the UNC board of governors. All of that other stuff is straight CAP!!

It was heavily rumored that the SEC offered Oklahoma to be paired with Texas A&M before Missouri eventually got the SEC invite. The Sooners demanded Okie Lite be also invited into the SEC. The SEC then turned to Missouri. You see no Oklahoma State now accompanying Oklahoma into the SEC. People use to say those two would not separate. North Carolina is no Oklahoma in football. I just do not see the SEC taking two North Carolina schools. The SEC seems happy at 16. I think the B1G would have to do a lot to change that. Does the B!G want go way above 20 members in the deep south? I think answering that might yield a lot to what the SEC does farther north in the ACC. I don't think the B1G wants 22 or 24 members.

I think the State of North Carolina market is valuable enough for both of the big two conferences to want to be in but I would hesitate to guess what that would mean for the North Carolina fan. I don’t think as a UNC fan that UNC has a good chance to leave without NC State to also have a “suitable” landing spot. That doesn’t necessarily mean the two schools would go to the same conference in my opinion. I could see a scenario where say the B1G would invite UNC (to beat out the SEC) and the SEC would invite NC State to secure a presence in the State of North Carolina. I think the SEC would like UVA as well so that could help a team like NC State. But if a scenario arises where UNC gets an offer to either the B1G or SEC and there is no news about a landing spot for NC State you can bet your last dollar there will be a lot of highly paid cry babies we also call politicians that will at least waste a lot of time fighting UNC’s exit. Those politicians might not succeed but they will waste a lot of time and money which they are experts at doing already. And all of this assumes that there is a way to escape the ACC GOR contract which is about as easy as finding a home without an HOA in the triangle. Good luck to any school exploring their exit options from the ACC. This conference realignment talk is starting to feel a lot like a soap opera to me. Stay tuned for the next episode of “As the ACC Turns.”

NC State is fine all by themselves in football. Culturally and academically they are better suited for the SEC. But I'm willing to bet UNC prefers the Big 10. And for NC St. that's a bummer...

UNC and NC State should have fled to the SEC years ago when the bathroom debacle flared up. SEC could have rounded out the conference footprint while taking two basketball schools from Tobacco Road. The NFL has NC States QBs in the league. It would have been a similar move that A&M and later Texas did, leaving the original SW Conference. Four teams in Texas, with A&M and Texas being dominant. SEC instead went west, adding Mizzou and A&M. NC is more ‘southeastern’ than Texas. I believe the SEC was actually considering his, prior to going west.

I live in Raleigh and i like NCSU way more than UNC. ( Don't tell my friends lol) but I like this deal because I don't want to see UNC go and not NCSU. Just my 2 cents

Aren’t you the one from double fires no slaw?

Seems like a pretty dumb thing to do, why wouldn’t a school want to double their revenue

People needs to stop reading the headlines and look at the details from local media. Any public university in North Carolina has to get approval to switch conference, this is nothing new. When North Carolina A&T University moved from the MEAC to Big South and then again moving from the Big South to CAA they had to get approval both times. In their presentations to the board they noted the financials behind the move. The only thing that this new rule is doing is making the financial piece mandatory and having to offer greater detail on the financial behind the move and adding a longer notification time of a move. If anything this is more than likely a move by UNC to prevent the state legislature from getting involved and thus giving them cover to move by them selecting the criteria behind the scenes for a possible move by making certain things mandatory. I predict that if UNC wants moves to the SEC, then they will present the following to the board: the financials showing that the school will earn more profit being in the SEC along with making sure that NC State and Duke are permanent out of conference opponents. The reality is Wake Forest is expendable because they are no longer located in Wake Forest and are further away in Winston Salem, NC. They could easily throw in an WF a bone by only guarantee that they will play them on regular reoccurring period, could be every two years or something like depending on how many out of conference games they have to use. The SEC is building the footprint of the old southern conference and thus adding North Carolina and Virginia would make that happen.

Take the Jordan name out of North Carolina and their value is barely top ten in the ACC.

The SEC won't take tag-a-longs. Won't happen. No way. They would stay pat instead.

Could honestly see NC state in the SEC

For those making statements that the Board of Governors is majority NCSU affiliated members, I looked it up. Not true at all. Here are the number. Of the 24 members here is the breakdown. Members were counted if they either graduated from or in some way otherwise affiliated with a particular school. There is overlap as in some might have gotten their undergrad degree from NCSU and a law degree from UNCCH. Some members never attended are are otherwise connected to a particular school and were obviously appointed based on their business connections. NCSU - 8 UNCCH - 9 UNCW - 2 WCU - 2 ASU - 2 NCCU - 1 NCAT - 1 UNCP - 1 No one with a direct connection with the largest enrollment school ECU, or FSU, WSSU, ESSU, UNCG, UNCC, WSSU of the School of the Arts.

UNC is a big brand no doubt. But it’s all basketball which pales in comparison to football. If you look at viewership numbers for football, UNC and NC State are pretty even if not NC State having a slight edge. Not saying UNC isn’t a big brand. But with football viewer numbers, they’re no better than average

FSU & Notre Dame to the B1G would be best. If two ACC teams, hopefully FSU & Clemson.

ACC has always been the ’All Carolina Conference’. Those schools have been a huge part of the problem and incest…

If North Carolina leaves the acc is done. I hope they don't because most of us are about done with college sports after all of this mess. I liked watching Texas and Oklahoma in the big 12. And usc and Oregon in the pac 12. All of them sold out. I will only watch the acc until they disband. And if and when they do I will be done with all sports other than track.

Go NOLES 🔥🏈🏆

Why the second channel TJ ?

Unc is not worth half a share outside of the ACC.

So you don’t think State has kept up with facilities! Please do you homework!!!!

How many channels do you have? 😅

No you can't hold unc back this is a done deal might be lawsuits but that's all that can happen!

Gotta get the politcians thing ironed out

It sucks to be a Tar Hole. Sadly, in NC there is a lot of home cooking. North Carolina businesses have a lot of control over the ACC and that has developed into an impediment for the ACC long term growth. Unfortunately, FSU has been impacted but has recourse option to move out of the conference as it is doing.

The ACC made the wrong move by getting them west coast teams they should've recruited South Carolina Florida Penn State and bring back Maryland maybe add Rutgers so they can create real rivalries they shouldn't sellout to other conferences when they're top dog in basketball

Why does anyine think UNC is such an attractive football brand? The Tarheels last football conference championship was 1980. The only ACC program with a longer drought in attaining a football conference championship is N.C. State. There has never been a Tarheel recipient of a Heisman Trophy. There has never been a UNC National Championship in football. There is only one Tarheel enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

I absolutely ate to admit it, but you may be right that UNC is a more attractive brand than Miami. It hurts, that Miami has fallen so far that the canes may be the 5th Best Brand in the ACC. Miami hasn't been consistent or proven itself sine joining the ACC. There are been far too many failures.

Good ol’ tobacco road

It feels like the ACC is going to drag this legal battle out with FSU, for as long as they can. I’m not sure where ESPN stands with all this now. On one hand it seems they’re more in line with the ACC, but on the other hand they have to be concerned about FSU and the other top ACC schools moving to the Big Ten. I’m afraid none of this is going to get resolved as quickly as we had all hoped.

Miami is toilet bin waiting to happen. Its a very small school. They are headed to the Big 12 at best

I do not and will not "feel bad" for UNC. They suck and their whole fan base suck. Couldn't happen to worse people.

I think you are missing the obvious. For several years Roy Williams tormented the Republicans in the North Carolina general assembly. He did this because he believed the conservative politics they were perusing cost him his first round games in Greensboro and he got involved in North Carolina politics. Now it’s payback time. This is the Republican Party making UNC athletics pay for what they did.

UNC & NCST could both apply for the Big12.

Why you wearing a clown cap?

Heart goes out to UNC? You feel bad for UNC fans? They've run this conference and have benefited more than any other school and those PTB have run it into the ground. Lol at viewership and tickets sold remark. Do you have any clue what your talking about?

Clemson won't be in the B1G. They don't attract the conference academically. Football is not the end all be all.

If the B1G10 takes UNC, the SEC would prob still want a school in NC. NCST, would be a great fit in the SEC for the NC market. UNC would be a better fit in B1G10.

Crazy how the Big12 passed on CAL & Stanford but the Acc added them.

Funny thing is that NCST is not even in the top 1-4 for the Big12

Nobody wants miami

Unc isn’t getting out when FSU loses their lawsuit.

this brother wants attention

In north Carolina NC state has more alumni and get way more viewership inside the state of NC. NC State is almost more like a Texas A&M. NC State still adds markets in NC and are not a complete loss to add at all

That board that now has to approve a move to another conference is majority NC State grads. This is all about making sure NC State goes with UNC, when they move. This is a huge advantage for the SEC, because at this point there is NO WAY that the BIG TEN is taking both UNC/NC State. A lot of politics at play going on here and the SEC has had serious back channel talks going on with UNC. They want them badly and NC State knows that. Even people in key positions at UNC have been moved in the last months. Guys that were pro BIG TEN guys have been replaced with pro SEC guys. From the Chancellor to a board member. The writing is kind of on the wall with what's going on. This was a huge power move, to get NC State into one of the power 2 conferences.

The Acc isn't sinking.It's going to end up getting a better media contract. No offense but FSU must be desperate, the other Acc members I don't think are desperate. The 3 new additions are very good adding big states and winning programs. Stanford has been to 15 rose bowls.

The SEC ,the Big Ten ,and the tv networks are to blame for this mess not the ACC. They have already wrecked the Big 12 and the PAC 12. College sports were much better without these mega conferences. 8 to 10 schools should be big enough. You should play every conference member home and home in basketball and every conference member in football. I know that’s old fashioned but I am old enough to remember when it was set up that way and it was a better situation.

None of this is new, nor is it news. Same story with Virginia and Virginia Tech … tied at the hip. Focus on your own F$hit$how, which is mildly entertaining and will result in FSU stroking a fat check at the end of the day.

UNC needs to get out of the acc conference because it's a sinking ship and I think they need to go to Big 10 better fit

If Fsu leaves on their own the have egg on their face. Leaving to go play in a conference where they have no natural rivalries and the schools are far away. If that conference even wants them. Fsu wants to be the Acc bully and when they couldnt get their way on conference alignment, now they want to sue and leave. Imo they are making a lot of enemies.

UNC is NOT a more valuable brand in football than NC State. If you actually look at the television ratings for football in recent years, NC State has higher ratings for their games than unc. Based on record in conference games, NC State is the 3rd best football program in the ACC over the last 4-5 years. Also, NC State has a MUCH better football culture, and home attendance and ticket sales at their home football games than unc. Unc is a basketball school and has a super-lame football culture and home attendance, as even their own fans will admit. It's similar to Kentucky in the SEC -- a basketball school with a "big brand" (due to basketball) with a a bad football culture...only Kentucky actually has a better football culture and attendance than unc. Now, if we are talking about men's basketball (or women's soccer and field hockey), then yes unc has a "more valuable brand" than NC State in men's basketball.

Did anyone really expect Boo Corrigan to idly sit back and watch his school get snubbed? I'm sure Boo is familiar with the saying, "If God wasn't a Tarheel why did He make the sky Carolina blue?" Boo had to get out of his chair and fight to keep NC State alive. UNC is one of the best known international brands; in the mix with Coke, Nike and the like. This move definitely hurts UNC. Their decision clearly shows that the powers at hand know that NCSU has no chance on their own and are being used as nothing more than an anchor to hold down the Tarheels. This should add some heat to their rivalry.

You’re talking about the ACC and downplaying the fact that football is not the sport that drives branding for that conference. Overall I think Duke UNC and UVA are the biggest brands in the ACC if looking at all sports AND academics. FSU is not even the best football brand. I think Clemson and Miami might be. I know you’re new so you get a pass. 😅

Wish the state of Texas did this. F gov Abbott & UT.

Obvious Miami hater

Trust me, Miami was NEVER below UNC lmao

Miami is 20 years in the toilet. Go back to 2002…was UNC more valuable then? No. The fact that Miami has been down so long yet is still top 3-4 in the ACC is a sad statement on the conference.

Problem with ACC is everyone thinks they are SEC/B10 worthy. The POWER 2 will take them on in their own spare time. Why should they hurry? With 16/18 teams already…greed will set in and beggars won’t be choosing! The natural selections are NC/ ND going to the B10….and FSU/Clemson going to the SEC….but they have 3 problems. 1. ND doesn’t want to go to anyone….and could remain Independent….but that depends on the Playoff formula (tbd). 2. SEC doesn’t like FSU.…problematic….but likes NC and Va. (strategic fits in new states) 3. SEC already has schools in SC and Fla…which makes conflicts possible with existing members. That leaves all the others fending for themselves….keeping their existing structure and adding teams as others leave although with same money …or splitting up individually , seeking a Partner on their own ( Big East, B12, or AAC) ……… or merging with the best conference standing…the B12! If their egos and hubris would get real…..the best move ( if Clemson , FSU, and NC and Va.are considering leaving and have offers) Is to use their recent acquisitions to merge with the Big 12 and to create a 30 team conference in 3 divisions…keeping the Sanctity of the P12, B12, AAC intact thru 10 -12 team divisions….giving more power to negotiate with TV, gain nationwide 24/7 coverage…while regional divisions will help all other sports to compete economically and locally….and be the best Basketball conference in the Universe! Call it the United Conference…with 3 Coast to Coast Divisions The ACC East….11 Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburg, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State , Georgia Tech, Miami, UCF, Duke, Wake The United Central….11 Louisville, Cinncinati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St. Okla St., TCU, Baylor, Houston, SMU, Tex Tech The Pacific West…..9 California, Stanford, Utah, BYU, Wash St,. Oregon St. Colorado, Arizona, Ariz St. , Maybe add San Diego St, and Boise State…or UNLV /Fresno State. This gets natural competitors and matches for football and all other sports! Why not?? If ACC can only look long term and understand they need help to negotiate with TV. Dissolving and merging negates contracts in existence and will force them to the negotiating table when the B12 contract comes due! Keeps the remaining P12 and ACC remaining members in a Power 3 conference competing against the Power 2 and ESPN ! And as a bonus…..the basketball conference can negotiate hard to possible add a Gonzaga, UConn , Villanova to drive the greatest BB conference on earth….which fills a lot of nationwide TV spots , controls many bowls, and can develop their own conference tourneys to easily gain access to the Playoffs and March Madness. Got to have a plan …before you get planned by someone else!

Carolina needs to leave ASAP. Can’t keep holding on history and tradition.

I think your rankings are way off! 1. UNC 2. FSU 3. Miami 4. Clemson 5. UVA Jordan has a very powerful brand and pushes UNC to the top.

The Acc isn't folding because FSU leaves. Fsu is making a mistake.

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