Accident Case Study: Conflict in the Cockpit

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It’s July 26, 2021, and the crew’s first time flying together on the Bombardier Challenger 605. The initial portion of the planned flight from Idaho’s Pappy Boyington Field in Coeur d’Alene to Truckee Tahoe Airport in California is uneventful and does not allude to the troubling tension eventually building between the first officer and his younger captain.
Join the AOPA Air Safety Institute as we examine the circumstances that led to the tragic outcome just seconds before landing at Truckee Tahoe Airport. We look at crew dynamics during the flight and improper energy management during the circling approach to the airport.
The Accident Case Study series uses FAA ATC radio communication transcripts, NTSB documentation, and video animation to recreate accidents and share critical lessons, so we can recognize and avoid similar mistakes.
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An NTSB safety alert warns that circling-to-land approaches can be riskier than other approaches because they often require maneuvering at low altitude and low airspeed during the final segment of the approach, increasing the opportunity for loss of control or collisions with terrain.
This inherent risk is even more pronounced in larger, faster airplanes, when energy management is essential. The FAA’s Instrument Procedures Handbook urges caution when attempting a circle-to-land maneuver, especially for category C aircraft as the maneuvers are often conducted with precipitation affecting visibility, depth perception, and the ability to adequately assess the decent profile. It warns that circling approaches conducted at faster-than-normal, straight-in approach speeds require pilots to consider a larger circling approach area.
Interestingly, another example of the circling approach risk and the need for proper energy management is an accident that happened six months later involving a Learjet at San Diego’s Gillespie Field in California. Watch our Early Analysis video of that accident - www.aopa.org/training-and-saf...
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@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute Ай бұрын
We’ve replaced the original video with an updated version using a color-corrected flight simulator animation. We appreciate your patience and understanding.
@murrethmedia
@murrethmedia Ай бұрын
Well I'm just gonna have to watch it again then!
@robeckel4965
@robeckel4965 Ай бұрын
Thanks for doing these videos! I have to admit, I watched the first one, and don't recall anything wrong with the color in the animation.
@auggie532
@auggie532 Ай бұрын
thank you for the dedication to making accurate videos!
@nickjames6813
@nickjames6813 Ай бұрын
More case studies please! Actual production quality and by far the best of many aviation and plane crash channels. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
@schweizer3301
@schweizer3301 Ай бұрын
Hey is that that a jab at mentor pilot
@jonginder5494
@jonginder5494 Ай бұрын
👍👍👍
@darkprose
@darkprose Ай бұрын
Either that or less accidents to study. Both are fine.
@nickjames6813
@nickjames6813 Ай бұрын
@@darkprose ahh… an idealist
@rfcdgaf
@rfcdgaf Ай бұрын
I would literally pay for these to be made, yearly subscription or whatever
@valberlin9239
@valberlin9239 Ай бұрын
Get-there-itis is unforgivable. Ego and pride are even more so.
@datdudecollins
@datdudecollins 27 күн бұрын
I don’t really think that ‘get-there-itis’ has anything to do with anything that went on here. This is simply a guy with an ego he couldn’t control creating a whole lot of pain and sadness for his friends and family, AND those of his captain.
@mebeingU2
@mebeingU2 Ай бұрын
Cockpit controls at 40,000 feet is no place for ego boxing. Neither will have to worry about who is a more accomplished pilot again.
@johnkeith2450
@johnkeith2450 Ай бұрын
"We don't want to be on the news"
@foobarf8766
@foobarf8766 Ай бұрын
FO saw it coming from FL400 given his comments
@Cokie907
@Cokie907 13 күн бұрын
Ironic that he put them on the news a few minutes later. Oy vey...
@matthendricks9666
@matthendricks9666 Ай бұрын
Being a pilot myself I must say that there is nothing worse than a co-pilot that is not a teamplayer. Sometimes we have a bad day, and sometimes the other guy has a bad day. And every single pilot is absolutely in need of help of a good teamplayer at his/her side. But this first officer diminished flight safety every single time he opened his mouth.
@shimmer8289
@shimmer8289 28 күн бұрын
Yes 1 questioned the pilots desire on what approach 2 did not provide info on smoke in area 3 made a sparky remark about whispering 4 dropped the flaps during left turn without informing pic imo his arrogance really contributed to the pilots confidence and perhaps comfort in accessing the plane and situation was getting ahead if him. A really terrible pairing of personalities and experience in that place.
@felixthecat3n2
@felixthecat3n2 24 күн бұрын
It begs the question as to why the FO was still an FO at 14,000 hours..?
@Go-pointl
@Go-pointl 15 күн бұрын
F O was a jerk.
@MileyPuppers
@MileyPuppers 15 күн бұрын
the co plilot of this flight was a "teamplayer" for safety.. just the pilot ignored him and they died
@matthendricks9666
@matthendricks9666 15 күн бұрын
@@MileyPuppers There is no such thing as a "Teamplayer For Safety". Either you are a teamplayer or you are not. Pilots are trained to communicate and to get the buddy back on track by easy techniques. A simple " Hey bud...let´s just level off and talk about the approach" would have saved their lives. Or just a simple question like: "Hey man....how are you feeling?". Empathy, contemplating about what exactly might help the only other person in the cockpit that could save your life. That´s the basics of being a pilot besides of flying left, right, up and down.
@TheWalachecman
@TheWalachecman Ай бұрын
Thank you for keeping this series alive. RIP Richard
@Jmg831
@Jmg831 Ай бұрын
😢
@cellokid5104
@cellokid5104 14 сағат бұрын
Huh?
@Jmg831
@Jmg831 10 сағат бұрын
@@cellokid5104 the person who used to narrate this series was involved in a plane crash a while ago and he didn’t make it 😞
@BeyBoy17
@BeyBoy17 Ай бұрын
Wow, unbelievable. An accident was bound to happen with this type of cockpit dynamic. The FO was essentially trying to assert control the entire time, and successfully did so. The Captain’s lack of awareness during the hold & the approach clearly shows that his psychological bucket was full from stress. To me, it sounds like the FO’s attitude was a major contributor in this accident. I’m baffled by how uncooperative the Fo was, he was trying to dominate instead of support the new Capt. Would’ve been nice if this video dove more in to the perspectives of each pilot & used it to teach about personality, emotions & control.
@chrisbeauchamp5563
@chrisbeauchamp5563 Ай бұрын
I agree it seems the Captain has ceded authority to the FO and is somewhat resigned. In my opinion the FO was doing a very bad job of been 2IC. I suspect he thought he should have been PIC given his higher hours on the aircraft. If it was my aircraft I would have stopped the approach conducted the hold and had a discussion that I Was the PIC and I needed the other pilot to support me as the PIC and only take the lead if there was an hazardous situation I was not responding to. The rest could be resolved on the ground.
@chrisbeauchamp5563
@chrisbeauchamp5563 Ай бұрын
Interestingly the 2IC stepped on his toes the whole flight but the time he should have actually taken control near the end and announced it he didn’t.
@SMMiles
@SMMiles Ай бұрын
To me the main culprit is the company giving the captain position to the guy with 20x less experience in the airplane and far less total time also. The FO wouldn’t feel the need to interject if the captain knew the basics of the plane like how to program the navs and follow basic atc instructions.
@chrisbeauchamp5563
@chrisbeauchamp5563 Ай бұрын
@@SMMiles this is not unusual, once qualified command isn’t normally determined by experience. It’s possible the Captain wasn’t strong in which case they will often put them with someone more experienced that can HELP. The 2IC could have done a lot to help the captain and unload him. It’s part of the role for a co Captain follow not lead. Think of a sports team sometime you have to rotate your striker etc so other members can gain experience.
@SMMiles
@SMMiles Ай бұрын
@@chrisbeauchamp5563 was the captain really qualified? He didn’t even know how to do the basic rnav programming-something he should have become familiar with long before becoming a captain in that aircraft. So who at the company was giving this guy the “fast track” and promoted him improperly?
@Darkvirgo88xx
@Darkvirgo88xx Ай бұрын
I'm glad air safety did this video. Listening to the radio traffic you would have never picked up on the conflict in the cockpit. This paints a much more complete picture of the incident.
@inspector4133
@inspector4133 Ай бұрын
I really, really like the accident case studies. This one just about turned my stomach. I've flown with guys like these, and I'm done with that. Nothing is worth that.
@apackwestbound5946
@apackwestbound5946 Ай бұрын
I am curious when you say "guys like these" to whom are you referring: Captain, First Officer or both of them?
@inspector4133
@inspector4133 Ай бұрын
@@apackwestbound5946 Both. One indecisive but in charge, and one decisive and snarky, not in charge but thinks he is
@apackwestbound5946
@apackwestbound5946 Ай бұрын
@@inspector4133 Thank you for the reply and clarification!
@jonasbaine3538
@jonasbaine3538 Ай бұрын
It’s just as shocking watching it a second time!
@ClearedAsFiled
@ClearedAsFiled Ай бұрын
Unbelievable that a captain would pilot an aircraft without understanding ALL the on-board equipment.....
@BoxerEngineSounds
@BoxerEngineSounds Ай бұрын
Exactly
@jbsack
@jbsack Ай бұрын
As I re listen to this, it’s clear from the audio that the FO had a huge attitude problem and it’s his snarky remarks that seem to initiate the conflict in the cockpit. Well, now he has all of eternity to think about his attitude problem.
@Fuzzypotato2
@Fuzzypotato2 Ай бұрын
Wildly disagree. The captain was defensive and ignoring advice that would have saved his life. Who cares if someone is snarky if your life is on the line s
@AlzhinSon
@AlzhinSon Ай бұрын
@@Fuzzypotato2 The captain cared apparently. When your life literally is in the hands of somebody, it's best not to antagonize them too much. Humans do not do their best work when they're in a bad emotional state.
@paulbrunner1818
@paulbrunner1818 Ай бұрын
I like the attention to detail in this video. You even showed the Burning Man site on their flight path!
@jaytowne8016
@jaytowne8016 Ай бұрын
The FO was working against the Captain not with him. And why he was an FO is probably to be found in his work history.
@sarahalbers5555
@sarahalbers5555 Ай бұрын
FO sounds condescending. Not helpful, further rattling the captain. Total lack of CRM. Very, very sad. And avoidable.
@unggrabb
@unggrabb Ай бұрын
Narration top class
@andrewmgoss
@andrewmgoss Ай бұрын
FO’s ego in the beginning set them up to fail. There was obviously something not right with the Captain, he was in over his head. Being a jerk only added to whatever was going on. FO is there to assist and should have recognized what was going on earlier. Scary to think what is going on in the cockpit when you are in the back along for the ride.
@CLR2TKF
@CLR2TKF 21 күн бұрын
First Officers fly just as much as captains. They alternate legs. And the FO does not have to sit there and let the captain put the plane in peril.
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy Ай бұрын
Definitely spoiler deployment did them in. You can feel those things when they are out there's buffeting, with everything else going on however, low visibility that was a recipe for disaster. The decision to go around needs to be made and kept. You're not going to save an over center line approach at that DA density altitude with something like that. Lot of mistakes.
@427SuperSnake1
@427SuperSnake1 Ай бұрын
Deadly dynamic that’s for sure.
@websherp
@websherp Ай бұрын
Captain is incompetent and FO is antagonistic, yikes
@ClearedAsFiled
@ClearedAsFiled Ай бұрын
OMG..what a combo....
@user-of9qq6op5u
@user-of9qq6op5u Ай бұрын
It was apparently the FO that killed them, though.
@websherp
@websherp Ай бұрын
@@user-of9qq6op5u rewatch, they both share healthy servings of blame from the NTSB. Both had opportunities for this thing to go much better and both made decisions that actively contributed to the crash
@user-of9qq6op5u
@user-of9qq6op5u Ай бұрын
@@websherp it was deploying the spoilers that caused the crash. The FO did that.
@heinzriemann3213
@heinzriemann3213 29 күн бұрын
​@@user-of9qq6op5uLunacy. The FO was actually a pilot.
@j700jam4
@j700jam4 Ай бұрын
How could he be made captain without knowing how you use the flight computer?
@ClearedAsFiled
@ClearedAsFiled Ай бұрын
Absolutely.....
@PhilAndersonOutside
@PhilAndersonOutside 26 күн бұрын
Budget constraints. Profit trumping everything.
@adiakiyes6354
@adiakiyes6354 Ай бұрын
Upon looking at the figures, it makes sense how the first officer commands in authority thinking like " I have more experience than you",
@MrZloodie
@MrZloodie Ай бұрын
Accident case studies are top notch, always get excited when I see a new one uploaded!!!
@maka5065
@maka5065 Ай бұрын
Thank you for the fix! Please give us more accident case studies though. My dad and I love these!
@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute Ай бұрын
Consider donating to the Air Safety Institute so that we can keep making these videos! Link is in the description.
@PeterStaniforth
@PeterStaniforth Ай бұрын
. . . . . . . And despite their best efforts, they still ended up on the news.
@jimsmith1856
@jimsmith1856 Ай бұрын
We appreciate your patience and understanding. We appreciate your videos.
@petrolekh
@petrolekh Ай бұрын
These are the best production quality accident case studies on KZfaq. Would you consider doing commercial flights too?
@Heyu7her3
@Heyu7her3 Ай бұрын
Your conclusion is SO important in any leadership situation or relationship!
@Acrowat40
@Acrowat40 Ай бұрын
was due to “the first officer’s improper decision to attempt to salvage an unstabilized approach by executing a steep left turn to realign the airplane with the runway centerline, and the captain’s failure to intervene after recognizing the FO’s erroneous action,”
@baylokcommanderoftheflagsh9424
@baylokcommanderoftheflagsh9424 Ай бұрын
They forgot the old adage we preach at ASDC ( Aerospace Defense Command ) Take your time and do it right, I thank there is a song I listen to before I fly by the S.O.S. Band - Take your time (Do it right)
@jbsack
@jbsack Ай бұрын
Thanks for reuploading this.
@intheshell35ify
@intheshell35ify Ай бұрын
They let that plane fall out of the sky. FO should have checked his snark at the departure airport.
@69ChevyGarage
@69ChevyGarage Ай бұрын
I totally disagree. They were in the wrong seats. FO knew he had a Capt that was lost.
@intheshell35ify
@intheshell35ify Ай бұрын
@@69ChevyGarage it was his job to assist the captain, not give him attitude. They both had roles to play and neither one did.
@rattler254
@rattler254 Ай бұрын
@@69ChevyGarageso what? Doesn’t mean you have to be an asshole. Stow that attitude and get the plane safely on the ground. THEN you can “debrief” the new captain any which way you want.
@marc21256
@marc21256 Ай бұрын
@@intheshell35ify I would never fly with you. Your "the right way is my way" attitude is fatal. The FO was trying to assist the captain. The captain killed them. Yet you blame the one trying to help, not the one that killed them both. That is proof of your irrationality and immense ego.
@intheshell35ify
@intheshell35ify Ай бұрын
@@marc21256 you sure know a lot about me from just 2 sentences.
@kortisbraun9798
@kortisbraun9798 24 күн бұрын
Most pilots are professional and fly safely These pilots were exception and not the rule Thankfully.
@michaelrichter8766
@michaelrichter8766 20 күн бұрын
I think the first officer attitude contributed a huge amount on the accident. Even though he knows he’s the more experienced pilot, he should’ve tried to help the captain and don’t put free stress on him. It’s seems to me he was always trying to humiliate him.
@utah20gflyer76
@utah20gflyer76 Ай бұрын
200 hours in an aircraft seems like not a lot of time to be the one in charge and at the same time 200 plus hours this guy should have been able to operate the aircraft in a professional manner. The FO was unprofessional and aggressive. Neither should have been flying that airplane that day.
@geekygardener1730
@geekygardener1730 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this
@darkprose
@darkprose Ай бұрын
“We don’t want to be in the news. Or one of those AOPA accident case studies. They’d make us look like incompetent jerks. Ha-ha-ha. Ha-ha... Ah.”
@Rama41
@Rama41 Ай бұрын
The only thing worse than no pilot flying the airplane is two pilots flying the airplane.
@lizettewanzer8650
@lizettewanzer8650 Ай бұрын
Or trying to.
@gonetoearth2588
@gonetoearth2588 Ай бұрын
WE WANT MORE VIDEOS! thanks....
@_Joy_Unleashed
@_Joy_Unleashed Ай бұрын
One word describes this tragedy. *EGO*
@RRM13
@RRM13 Ай бұрын
Hello & respect from São Paulo, Brazil 🇧🇷.
@WingWarnings
@WingWarnings Ай бұрын
great safety video
@jeffchristie-od5gu
@jeffchristie-od5gu Ай бұрын
FO sounded frustrated with the Captain's performance & ADM, that likely increased as they went through the day as a Team. Might be that the FO was junior in seniority & therefore not assigned as PIC, which he may have been better suited for than the Captain. I hear that in his communications & he was professional about it. The Captain was behind & partly disoriented
@kalamageo
@kalamageo Ай бұрын
So far no one is mentioning division of labor. A lot was made of the PF ( pilot flying ) not being able to manage the FMS. The PM ( pilot monitoring ) was contemptuous of the FP for his lack of ability. In my fractional company the PM ALWAYS manages the FMS unless the FP instructs otherwise. The NFP also works the radios. The FP FLYS THE F'N PLANE!!!! Responsibilities were completely screwed up. THAT led to this outcome.
@skipssmn3754
@skipssmn3754 23 күн бұрын
I've been in several very stressful situations in my life and I've felt my mind being hindered significantly by stress. I feel like I can relate to the captain's mental state. Also I'll be honest... There's nothing quite like another human being pissing you off. Especially in a high stakes environment where you can't just call a time out and resolve your beef. What I don't understand is the FOs's final decision to extend the spoilers... That was a death blow.
@bradleybarnett2490
@bradleybarnett2490 Ай бұрын
The Captain was an idiot and the FO was unprofessional. The FO should have *taken* control of the AC, leveled the wings and gone around in any safe direction. Deal with the BS on the ground, not in flight.
@joemooney6758
@joemooney6758 Ай бұрын
Makes my day when a new accident case study pops up
@KenJames9911
@KenJames9911 Ай бұрын
That was a pissing contest... 😎
@lizettewanzer8650
@lizettewanzer8650 Ай бұрын
...with no winners.
@Kaenguruu
@Kaenguruu Ай бұрын
Can someone explain to me how it is possible that someone who seems to be relatively unfamiliar with the aircraft they are flying to be the captain on that flight? This just doesn't make any sense to me
@imdabeast100
@imdabeast100 Ай бұрын
surely it’s to acquire hours, since they’re in the presence of an experienced pilot. although with passengers and in real weather is questionable (coming from an idiot who’s never been off the ground)
@toddb930
@toddb930 Ай бұрын
"It's not what you know, but who you know "
@chrisstromberg6527
@chrisstromberg6527 Ай бұрын
Most of the industry is seniority based, that is time with said company determines what seat you occupy, what equipment you fly, what days you work. I sit left seat in a 737 with 18,000 hours and I have had one or 2 grumpy FO's with well over 20,000 hours in the right seat. When you switch airlines or move to another airline, you move to the bottom of the seniority list, your flight time does determine when you will occupy the Captains seat, your Date Of Hire determines that.
@Darthvader-oc5tp
@Darthvader-oc5tp Ай бұрын
@@imdabeast100it’s way to expensive to run these aircraft without passengers or cargo. Airlines/commercial operators trying to make money don’t just have spare aircraft to train pilots on. Most airline pilots get their type ratings(the ratings needed to fly a specific aircraft) in a simulator and the first time they fly the actual aircraft is with passengers and cargo. There’s usually 2 more pilots on board, a check examiner making sure the new pilot can safely fly the aircraft, and another experienced pilot, ready to take over. Although there might only be just the examiner with the new pilot, again, ready to take over should the new pilot make too many mistakes.
@mickeygraeme2201
@mickeygraeme2201 Ай бұрын
He was hispanic if that helps you.
@user-nr3ss5hk9s
@user-nr3ss5hk9s 23 күн бұрын
It’s a shame that poor copilot had to put up with that captain
@rallyden
@rallyden Ай бұрын
Pilots like this FO is why bizjet pilots are not viewed favorably in the airlines. This guy probably would not pass probation with attitudes like those exhibited on this flight.
@ThatBobGuy850
@ThatBobGuy850 Ай бұрын
Nice video...and a very interesting accident! I would **guess** that the personality problem that these pilots had began...maybe before takeoff. Clearly, the SIC had a bad attitude. Was it an age thing? Was it the steep experience gradient in that make/model? Or the fact that the SIC quickly perceived that the PIC was not up to speed on the avionics of the jet he was supposed to be commanding? Something. But you can tell that the SIC did not think very highly of the PIC's abilities. If the other pilot in **my** cockpit ever refers to me as, "my friend" even once, we're going to have words. I'm not your friend; you're not mine. It's sad that these two guys could not get along well enough to conduct a relatively "easy" flight. When passengers book a plane with two pilots, they assume that the level of safety is increased. That is not always the case, as this tragedy proved.
@donaldswett640
@donaldswett640 23 күн бұрын
I only have a few hundred hours of Jet team flying, But it seems to me that the older more experienced pilot in the right seat lost track of the mission of getting your passengers on the ground safely his ego of not being in the left prevented him from saying " you're flying great Capt how about I program the box and you keep us on course I'll navigate you fly" in the immortal words of Iceman " you may not like the guy you're flying with he may not like you but in the end who's side are you on".
@stevehuffman1495
@stevehuffman1495 Ай бұрын
Banking sharply, at high altitude, in a circling approach is bad enough. Seems like deploying spoilers at that moment was a grossly bad idea.
@maryanne1367
@maryanne1367 20 күн бұрын
I ain’t no pilot but flew lot recreational in small planes with my dad. Even I know they should have stabilazed and go around.
@mwp1088
@mwp1088 Ай бұрын
Why not do a straight in approach! Good learning here
@Herlongian
@Herlongian Ай бұрын
When landing a jet, one must fly a stable approach because this ensures the highest probability of not dying in a crash.
@jhoseanhernandez5692
@jhoseanhernandez5692 26 күн бұрын
Se extraña a Richard 😢.
@bluetickfreddy101
@bluetickfreddy101 15 күн бұрын
1st rule Fly the plane. 2nd rule Oh Well you know. 3rd rule Oh geez whiz😂
@mikemccormick865
@mikemccormick865 29 күн бұрын
Lack of professionalism in the cockpit for sure.
@user-cn6df6jn4v
@user-cn6df6jn4v 27 күн бұрын
Why is the Captain inputting the data. That’s the pilot not flying job.
@chuckwhitson654
@chuckwhitson654 22 күн бұрын
Worst f/o ever. Reckon he beat his wife and dog? CRM is EVERYTHING
@toddb930
@toddb930 Ай бұрын
It sure seems like the captain would have been the one who made the steep bank angle. Yet the findings state it was the co-pilot. Since the younger person with much less hours, (total and aircraft tupe), was the captain, I have to wonder if it is one of those "it's not what you know, but who you know" things.
@chrisstromberg6527
@chrisstromberg6527 Ай бұрын
Most of the Airline business is based upon seniority, your date of hire determines when you move to the left seat, not your total hours.
@mickeygraeme2201
@mickeygraeme2201 Ай бұрын
The pilot was hispanic
@Username-2
@Username-2 Ай бұрын
@@mickeygraeme2201irrelevant
@bobwei6232
@bobwei6232 18 күн бұрын
Burning Man Festival spotted at 3:21
@tommyrjensen
@tommyrjensen 27 күн бұрын
Very nice analysis. The pilots' interactions appeared strangely dysfunctional. In particular the FO comes off as an individual who is difficult to work alongside.
@noblebzbeyhouseofbey
@noblebzbeyhouseofbey 28 күн бұрын
Damn
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy Ай бұрын
No notice on this one for some reason.
@dimmyfinbar
@dimmyfinbar Ай бұрын
please use the older dudes voice for the narrator of the case studies if possible 😂
@ZeroSOFInfinity
@ZeroSOFInfinity Ай бұрын
"We don't want to be in the news, do we?" Uh.... about that.. .
@randombutler
@randombutler Ай бұрын
Before eight minutes I'm reading microstroke or other CNS crisis compounded by Cap trying to look cool-and-collected while flailing a bit which I get
@randombutler
@randombutler Ай бұрын
Whatever happened I think mild panic appears to half self-compounded in a full panic. First Officer was obviously trying to keep a steady level. Seems to have spotted that Captain was having whatever and tried to talk carefully and measuredly and with some very-intentional, carefully-chosen words
@Greg_P611
@Greg_P611 13 күн бұрын
How could that guy be a Captain and make such mistakes?
@datdudecollins
@datdudecollins Ай бұрын
May be a silly question, but I’ll ask it. Why use the actual audio for a portion of it, and reenactment audio for the majority of it?
@Hedgeflexlfz
@Hedgeflexlfz 29 күн бұрын
reenactment
@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute 29 күн бұрын
Thanks for your question! The NTSB does not make CVR (cockpit voice recorder) audio available to the public. Usually the only audio recordings available are calls that are transmitted over the radio. The NTSB does, however, provide a written transcript of CVR dialogue, which we used for this video.
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing
@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing Ай бұрын
re-upload?
@andrewivanov4731
@andrewivanov4731 Ай бұрын
I said it in the previous video that got deleted and I’ll say it again. The AH attitude of the first officer is a distraction. The real cause of the accident is both pilots’ complete incompetence at using the TAA avionics. There was absolutely no reason to accept the IAP to the short runway and follow it by a dangerous circle-to-land maneuver when there was another IAP available to the desired runway. The pilot’s preference of visual flight procedures and unfamiliarity with instrument flying is evident throughout the flight. For fucks sake please stop flying modern 21st century aircraft as if it’s 1970s. If you can’t reprogram your navigator in flight you don’t belong in the cockpit.
@SplashJohn
@SplashJohn Ай бұрын
I can't help wondering about the FO's career arc, and what that says about his competence. He had 14,401 total hours, including 4,410 on type, he is older than the PIC, yet he's still an FO, not a captain? I'd like to hear from experienced ATPs: does that seem reasonable to you, or strange?
@etherealrose2139
@etherealrose2139 Ай бұрын
Seniority doesn't care about age or flight hours. Unions make sure of this.
@CLR2TKF
@CLR2TKF 21 күн бұрын
It isn't about flight experience. Just how long you've been with the company. If your airline goes bankrupt and you're a Captain with 15,000 hours then you will start over as the most junior First Officer at your new airline.
@n721sw
@n721sw Ай бұрын
Wow, the smart ass co-pilot got everyone killed?
@billfly2186
@billfly2186 Ай бұрын
But the Captain was a poorly trained pilot for that aircraft.
@markrobinson9956
@markrobinson9956 Ай бұрын
So being an asshole is the correct response?
@veganbutcherhackepeter
@veganbutcherhackepeter Ай бұрын
Incompetent captain with a jerk as a first officer who can't get over his own ego. None of these guys should have ever been in a cockpit. Unfit.
@phototrap1
@phototrap1 9 күн бұрын
Excellent, but I miss the old narrator!
@scumpoozie
@scumpoozie Ай бұрын
Go arounds are free.
@ohioguy215
@ohioguy215 Ай бұрын
Unfortunately, they are not free. The airline dispatcher will calculate the additional fuel and the schedule disruption for the go-around and hold the flight crew accountable.
@Matt_matt1
@Matt_matt1 Ай бұрын
Some of the worst crm I’ve seen, egos don’t belong in the cockpit
@foobarf8766
@foobarf8766 Ай бұрын
Captain got them killed, too incompetent to enter a f----- fix, tragic
@michaelpatrickmonahan1873
@michaelpatrickmonahan1873 23 күн бұрын
I really like the other narrator better I’m sorry to say. I don’t mean to hurt anyone’s feelings. But the person that does.” Delayed Reaction ” and others is much more interesting and compelling.
@AirSafetyInstitute
@AirSafetyInstitute 23 күн бұрын
Travis retired from our video work. He was an iconic voice for us for many years. We're grateful for his work with us and wish him well!
@Cokie907
@Cokie907 13 күн бұрын
Right seat captains....hoo boy. They can make life miserable. Throwing out full spoilers with full flaps in a 36 degree bank? Definitely not a good idea.
@DMS20231
@DMS20231 Ай бұрын
Pilot in command’s fault and it’s clear the first officer was the pilot in command. He took command of the airplane. He might have been the better pilot but the conflict caused the accident,
@invertedflatspin9676
@invertedflatspin9676 Ай бұрын
Pride kills every time. Unfortunately, the passengers were along for the ride. The FO, in my humble opinion, is completely at fault. But, the Captain should have exerted CRM.
@gnagyusa
@gnagyusa Ай бұрын
Wow. Why would the company put the much less experienced pilot in the captain seat? WTH?
@etherealrose2139
@etherealrose2139 Ай бұрын
Because he was hired long before the FO. Seniority and unions is a simple concept. Doesn't matter if you're chuck yeager
@richardvincent2425
@richardvincent2425 Ай бұрын
As a lay person, I must say that the actions of the first officer were unconscionable. He literally let his ego, and his need to talk down to a person who is already under stress, kill himself and others!!!!!!! People and their crap
@user-yi3yx2fn7g
@user-yi3yx2fn7g Ай бұрын
Why is a 200 hr Capt while the 4000 hr is an FO?
@tonybeam
@tonybeam Ай бұрын
Precisely my thought. The operator of the aircraft should share some liability for pairing these two off.
@jaytowne8016
@jaytowne8016 Ай бұрын
The FO was likely a permanent FO and for a reason .... He never should have been a pilot at all.
@mickeygraeme2201
@mickeygraeme2201 Ай бұрын
He was hispanic that's why
@Username-2
@Username-2 Ай бұрын
Because most of these companies operate based on seniority. Meaning hours don’t determine who sits in the captains seat, date of hire does.
@jaytowne8016
@jaytowne8016 Ай бұрын
Based on the FO s lack of professional behavior it is very likely that he was never going to be a Captain, and management knew that or that was their choice... With his total flight hours the reasons he was still in that end of the industry in that capacity is very suspect. The seniority suggestion is highly naive at best since with that many hours that guy had been around the block, for just one point. Odds are he had been around many blocks, and that is why he was still an FO for somebody and blaming the world and everyone he was around for his lack of success...His working against the Captain got him the result he was working towards, whether he knew it or not.
@magnoliap5824
@magnoliap5824 Ай бұрын
My airplane is a simple instruction. I can’t believe how that captain reacted.
@elviscollector
@elviscollector Ай бұрын
Do a couple of Ahooes have the right to cause the death of many others?
@chuckwhitson654
@chuckwhitson654 22 күн бұрын
Extremely wealthy flyers
@VaciLuckys
@VaciLuckys Ай бұрын
Oh, I didn't know that two 5-year-olds can fly an aeroplane......
@crazyralph6386
@crazyralph6386 Ай бұрын
Incompetent Captain had no business being in the cockpit
@hntbrady905
@hntbrady905 27 күн бұрын
The FO has a big ego. Too bad he did not get the necessary attitude adjustments earlier in his career. The captain was not competent in the aircraft and leadership presence
@localbod
@localbod Ай бұрын
The Captain sounded like he shouldn't have even been in the cockpit. The First Officer should have been PIC and just got the aircraft on the deck safely. The lack of ability on the part of the Captain and the clash of personalities was a clusterf@©k waiting to happen. Sad and avoidable loss of life.
@DanFrederiksen
@DanFrederiksen Ай бұрын
Can we assume they had no synthetic vision? if so you forgot to mention the significance of that.
@ronduncan9527
@ronduncan9527 Ай бұрын
It’s absolutely crazy the Captain has only 200 hours and the FO has 4000 in this type. And 3 times the overall hours. Why is the Captain in command???
@lizettewanzer8650
@lizettewanzer8650 Ай бұрын
Yead, I'd like to know that, too...
@Johnny_Thunder
@Johnny_Thunder Ай бұрын
Training?
@michaelosgood9876
@michaelosgood9876 Ай бұрын
The captains ego got the better of him here, I feel. He could have, instead, let the First Officer have control of the airplane and taken a back seat to the matter. Who knows-- he may have earned the respect of FO in the process.... The FO came across as a domineering know it all. The only way to deal with these fellas is to let them have control & suck it up...
@peted6334
@peted6334 Ай бұрын
Incompetent captain and arrogant first officer. Sad for the passengers to trust these two clowns with their lives.
@freddiecunningham2860
@freddiecunningham2860 Ай бұрын
That's sad
@anthonyrstrawbridge
@anthonyrstrawbridge Ай бұрын
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