Accordion Buyer's Guide - Comparison of 10 Musette De-tunings Dry to Wet

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What does musette de-tuning mean?
In the same way that thicken the accordion sound vertically by adding octaves, we can thicken the sound horizontally by adding additional reeds at the same octave. Typically this is done by adding reeds to the middle octave M = 8' reeds although on a few accordions you will find double bassoon options where the L = 16" reeds are doubled.
Multiplying the reeds at the same octave will make the instrument louder and fuller. However, what gives an accordion its distinctive sound is the fact that middle reeds can be intentionally de-tuned to create a slow or fast tremolo effect. The speed of tremolo is determined by the number of "beats" you hear per second when the de-tuned sound waves cancel out.
German 2 Reed Tremolo Tuning
M = A440hz
M+ = A444hz
Number of Beats = 444hz - 440hz = 4 hz = 4 beats per second
We use the term musette loosely to refer to this effect in a general sense but a true French musette will have 3 middle reeds which are typically configured as follows:
French 3 Reed Musette Tuning
M- = A435hz
M = A440hz
M+ = A445hz
Number of Beats = 445hz - 440hz = 440hz - 435hz = 5hz = 5 beats per second symmetrically doubled
What are other types of tremolo and musette tunings?
We list some typical tunings below. Note that many people refer to tuning in "cents" which refers to percent detuning from the next half step. For example a German Tremolo A440hz to A444hz = 4 beats per second = 15% de-tuning = 15 cents. The conversion is roughly 1 hz = 3.5cents in the middle of the keyboard.
0 hz = 0 cents = Unison (Dry, Secco) Classical, Balkan
0.5hz = 2 cents = Concert (Violin, Swing Secco) Jazz, Tango, Cleveland Polka
1hz = 4 cents = Swing (Swing Mosso), Gypsy Jazz, Brazilian, Klezmer
2hz = 7 cents = Demi-Swing (Mezzo Swing), Irish
2.5hz = 10 cents = American (Americano), Cajun, Quebecois
3hz = 12 cents = Moderate Tremolo, Slovenian, Tex-Mex, Alpine
4hz = 15 cents = Standard Tremolo, German, Italian
5hz = 18 cents = Fast Tremolo, Modern French
6hz = 22 cents = Very Fast Tremolo, Old French, Old Italian, Italiano Mosso
7hz = 25 cents = Extremely Fast Tremolo (Sardo) Scottish
We are happy to offer custom tuning services to suit your preference. Contact us for a quote based on the number of individual reeds we must de-tune.

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@rafaocaborg 3 жыл бұрын

One of the best demonstrations of mussette tunings I ever have seen

@vntoniberlini175 6 ай бұрын

I agree

@keyboards8857 2 жыл бұрын

0:16 0 hz = 0 cents = Unison (Dry, Secco) Classical, Balkan 1:20 0.5hz = 2 cents = Concert (Violin, Swing Secco) Jazz, Tango, Cleveland Polka 2:24 1hz = 4 cents = Swing (Swing Mosso), Gypsy Jazz, Brazilian, Klezmer 3:45 2hz = 7 cents = Demi-Swing (Mezzo Swing), Irish 5:32 3hz = 12 cents = Moderate Tremolo, Slovenian, Tex-Mex, Alpine 6:23 4hz = 15 cents = Standard Tremolo, German, Italian 8:27 5hz = 18 cents = Fast Tremolo, Modern French 9:46 5hz = 6hz = 22 cents = Very Fast Tremolo, Old French, Old Italian, Italiano Mosso 10:52 25 cents = Extremely Fast Tremolo (Sardo) Scottish

@brianbeag 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Could you demo MMM musette different tunings please?

@F0nkyNinja 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful but you made an error because 5:32 is 2.5hz = 10 cents (American) and 6:23 is Moderate Tremolo, not standard. If you edit your comment I will delete this comment.

@vrai3078 Жыл бұрын

"Tex-mex" tuning is a nebulous word to use.I myself play tex mex and have never heard that tuning used in our music, it sounds more european.there is also a difference from region to region, mexican polka is common throughout north mexico and south texas but the style changes drastically from the two countries ,in mexico they use slightly faster beating whereas in texas it is more common to see a nearly dry tuning which we call "asorridada" it would be more accurate to show the tuning based on the artist as thats what we tend to do like "flaco jimenez tuning" or "tony de la rosa tuning" because each of those people pioneered a unique tuning that we associate with "tex-mex" music which you should really call Tejano, don't clump our culture together into one overgeneralized inaccurate nonsense

@SkeepyJeepyJohnson 11 ай бұрын

Probably the most informative video I've ever seen on anything. I love the sound of moderate tremolo and now I will look for something tuned that way since I know the name. Thanks!

@BoazKimMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this very informative video and the wonderful playing examples! I loved how you played the same piece on each one, and then a different piece in the matching genre!

@Me-eb3wv 2 жыл бұрын

Never knew u were into accordions 😮

@BoazKimMusic 2 жыл бұрын

@@Me-eb3wv I love accordions!

@Bluesbreakerfritzx 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Thank you. I know what I like and now I can now express it in words, numbers and cents.

@ChanduKale 2 жыл бұрын

Very good information. I am just getting my accordion repaired and tuned and the repairer was asking me how much I want it detuned: 14? 18? 22? Now I understand what he was saying.

@emilianosabedra3484 2 жыл бұрын

Excelente demostración!!! Muy útil para entender las clases de brío y como cambia a medida que aumenta el tremolo del acordeón.

@gevegamusicanada 10 ай бұрын

Excellent demonstration, congratulations

@TheSquito 2 жыл бұрын

What an absolutely awesome and informative video. I wish more videos on youtube were this logical and well made!

@accordionguide Жыл бұрын

You're right Gave Mosqueda. Liberty bellows really help people with their knowledge. We have another one like this on our own channel at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNCihdt8qMy6d3k.html You might want to check it out.

@zimmie99 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you - very clear and informative.

@janhurst2635 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, this is very helpful.

@vovillius Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot for the great video!

@johneli495 2 жыл бұрын

Have wondered about this. Informative, thanks

@ugur.nurcan 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent educative video. Thanks for your time..

@TheodorPurav26 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Very useful👍

@antoniocorelli 6 ай бұрын

This vídeo is gold

@redwolf7929 Жыл бұрын

The last 2 are very popular in Australian traditional bush dance music as well, but usually played on button accordion.

@frejalundsgaard6369 8 ай бұрын

Amazing! Thank you

@markiese4185 3 жыл бұрын

very enlightening =) thx!

@lorenzogiachetta5447 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!!!

@rep.pamelapowershannley2605 3 жыл бұрын

This is great.

@alexculcicovschi2643 3 жыл бұрын

Foarte interesant!!!!

@sashaustenskii 3 жыл бұрын

Toata teoria resprctiva este utila pentru toti ce iubesc acordeonul si le place sa cante la el, atunci cand doresti sa-ti procuri un acordeon sau sa faci comanda la mester este foarte bine initial sa stii ce-ti dorsi. Multumesc Slavic pentru o demonstrare perfecta.

@petercane6376 Жыл бұрын

That was a brilliant demonstration of wet and dry tuning. The very last one at 25 cents was not pleasing to my ear. All the others were nice. I could listen to your playing all day. You are a fabulous accordionist and musician. You play EVERYTHING. Thanks.

@lesteraizlewood8457 2 жыл бұрын

I have always loved wet tuning. This is a great comparison though.

@LaurenPassarelli 2 жыл бұрын

Bellisima, bravo!

@NrgaardJensen Жыл бұрын

Very nice demonstration! Wonder if the same demo, using three 8 foot voices (M), could be done...

@modesti712 4 ай бұрын

I'm go grateful I came across this video. I've struggled to find something like this for a while. I know for piano accordions it may sound like a silly request, but as an italian 9+3 organetto player, I'd love to know what the different types of LMH tuning sound like. I've found it difficult to know what is being done to which set of reeds to give the different LMH organetto's their different sound in the various videos I've watched that are solely LMH tuning.

@the1remnant 3 жыл бұрын

What's the piece you play on the Brandoni? Where the suggested style is Irish. Its lovely

@bigsqueezyaccordionrepair8510 Жыл бұрын

Great reference. The one correction I would offer is that Cajun musicians nowadays nearly always prefer a dry tuning, although this was not always the case.

@applestein1 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the demonstration. Please, what is the lovely piece of music you play on the Ottavianelli?

@stashamana 3 жыл бұрын

Padam padam Edith Piaf

@applestein1 3 жыл бұрын

@@stashamana Thanks

@gamberrosandino 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful explanation , i had years of missinformation until i found this video. Whats tha name of the scottish song (played on the scandalli at the end of the video?

@emmanuelwynkoop5332 3 жыл бұрын

it's called "Morrison's" or the old title "Paddy Stack's Fancy Jig" and is part of the traditional IRISH music repertoire

@miki.jankovic 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Stanislav where can I find sheet music for the first piece you played? thank you

@soytofu1234 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know the song for the moderate tremolo tuning?

@peterfalcon1286 2 жыл бұрын

Наконец то лаконично и системно кто-то обьяснил.

@38scsharma 2 жыл бұрын

Superb - very very ' prettyful ' ! However - missed Hohner accordions' mussette demos ? Regards !

@tiberiuspatra6955 5 ай бұрын

Great point. First comment shows at min 6:23 for the style ... German . From my experience Hohner tuning is 15 cents.

@tiberiuspatra6955 5 ай бұрын

Sorry it is second comment...

@vntoniberlini175 6 ай бұрын

Excelent! 😊

@nicolescunarciscorneliu7691 2 жыл бұрын

Superrrrrrr bonito amigo, no me regalas un akkordeon? porque veo que tyenes muchos .me gusta mucho los acordeones

@leonidbourikov6295 2 жыл бұрын

What is the song 9:00-9:45?

@alexgordonepic 4 ай бұрын

anywhere between 4 and 15 is nice to me. :)

@kimvaughan9566 3 жыл бұрын

Can someone, confirm, these are mm accordions? If they were mmm, it would be 5 up, 5 down, 6 up, 6 down, etc., from middle clarinet reed, which are usually around 440?

@kristenvespera4835 2 жыл бұрын

All of the sounds here are MM, yes. But for MMM, it varies a little bit. In theory, you would do the same +/- for the two extra M reeds. But in practice, it isn't necessarily the case 100% of the time. So for example, you could tune the M+ to 445 and the M- to 438 and then you could have a MM+ register and a MM- register and this would essentially be the equivalent of having to different violin (MM) registers just with different tunings. Then of course you also have the M+M- vibrato register which is like another even wetter violin register similar to the MMM musette register but not exactly the same. These are some examples but you can really do anything creative you like even if it's common to have the same +/- on the M+ and M- reeds.

@accordionguide Жыл бұрын

@@kristenvespera4835 When you tune (like everybody does) the M+ sharp for the same amount as the M- is flat, you do what we call a "symmetrical" tuning. I prefer to tune them different so I have a swing detuned with M+ at only 2 beats/sec (2Hz difference) and to double this on the flat M- at 4 beats/sec. That way, you get a soft modern musette with the violin switch and a fuller old musette with the MMM.

@kristenvespera4835 Жыл бұрын

@@accordionguide Nah. It's better to tune the LMMM wetter and use a separate LMMH accordion if you want a demi-swing tuning. This is what most accordion players do.

@accordionguide Жыл бұрын

@@kristenvespera4835 Yes IF you can afford a second accordion.

@kristenvespera4835 Жыл бұрын

@@accordionguide Chances are that anyone that can afford to buy one four reed accordion can afford to buy a second if they play the instrument seriously enough for the tuning to matter. If they can't afford a second instrument, they probably can't afford to be retuning the first one anyway and so getting a non-standard tuning is probably not in the cards. Besides, if someone could only afford one professional level accordion, nine out of ten times it's better to go with an LMMH instead of an LMMM anyway.

@Jurekklodzko1 3 жыл бұрын

👍🎹👍🎹👍🎹

@jimdicken8396 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone know the name of the piece starting at 0:47 ?

@sofin8191 Жыл бұрын

J. S. Bach - Badinerie from Orchestral Suite BWV 1067

@jimdicken8396 Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@94ferraz 8 ай бұрын

Hy im started learning tuning oi have few acrodions.is possible have a guide tuninng with calculations on cents Etc.i have italian e germany Acrodions.Thanks if Somebody call i be happy. Nothing do for Bussines, im Colector

@wileyparker2429 10 ай бұрын

The truest musette is the 7Hz 25 cents Scottish. Especially if you want the 2nd middle tuned faster than swing.

@Izakokomarixyz Жыл бұрын

the 22 cents sounded less wet than the previous one, hmm 🤔

@jansvejda4734 11 ай бұрын

7:49 name of the song please

@alexgordonepic 4 ай бұрын

that's amore! :)

@MatthewZmusician209 3 жыл бұрын

Swing Tuning sounds the best to me.

@ludensarahan 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Swing and Semi Swing sounds really warm...

@Izakokomarixyz Жыл бұрын

for me the best was the one at 8:28, it sounded so nice 😊

@markouibo9445 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice video! But these are not musette instruments? Are they? All of them sounded 8-8-4. In 8-8-4 configuration it is called musette imitation. In this configuration dry tunings sound best. 25 cent tuning sound very beautiful with 8-8-8 configuration, my Accordiola Jazzmaster has this so called netherlands musette tuning, it may even be 26 or 27 cents. If possible, please do similar video with instruments that have 8-8-8 configuration. Best wishes from estonia!

@RobertKarlBerta 2 жыл бұрын

Good question. I think you are right....to my ear these are 8-8-4 instruments. this is most common accordion setup where you have a low reed, two middle reeds, and a single high reed. To get true musette you need three middle reeds. My own acoustic instrument has 5 sets of treble reeds and 6 bass. It has three middle 8 reeds, a 16 low, and a 4 high. I agree with a 16-8-8-4, dry tunings or close to it sound best. I also have a Roland 8x digital accordion so the owner can program any combination of "reeds" and tuning so one instrument can be many different accordions and musette tunings. Once setup I just call up a German tuned accordion, or Italian, or French, Eastern European, etc. and I than have all 14 treble registers to that type of tuning. While I enjoy playing musette with the appropriate music, I always try to avoid playing musette in an orchestra with professional symphony level string or wind instrument players. It doesn't sound good and frankly string players HATE the sound in combination. They tell me they can't see why one would intentional put an instrument so far out of tune ;-) I used to play in a group that the conductor was a world famous composer and arranger for symphony orchestras and was a top notch oboe player. If the accordion player used anything other than the bassoon or clarinet reed he would cringe and stop the orchestra and yell at the accordionist ;-)

@captaccordion 3 жыл бұрын

A good exposition on the whole, but I have several points to note for the uninitiated. 1. I'm not fond of the use of the word musette for two reed tremolo. I prefer that the word describes three reed tremolo. 2. The cent figures given will refer to the centre of the keyboard, but the figures are normally greater at the low end and less at the high end. 3. If I'm not mistaken, the Victoria has one reed in a tone chamber and the other reed outside. The sound would be quite different given two non-chambered reeds. With those qualifications though, it's a very informative video, and nice playing too!

@sehan622 3 жыл бұрын

Agree on the Victoria, that had a slightly softer sound to it, the two reed tremolo outside cassotto has a more open sound. I own a Bugari with 7 cent in center, one reed in cassotto. In the start I found it too sharp in the "accordion" register, but the viloln register is beautiful, it plays the German and Sloveinan waltzes like a beauty. For Norwegian folk app 90% good, but a great allrounder. Great video, good playing:)

@artterem5382 2 жыл бұрын

I am sorry but what you call "Unison Tuning" (at 0 min 20 sec) is NOT really unison - I DO hear low-frequency oscillation between MM... To demonstrate real dry tuning between MM you need to play Russian concerto bayan, for example...

@alex66n 2 жыл бұрын

В доме можно маску и снять....В игре ничего интересного, можно и не выставлять....

@mangosmadmom 2 жыл бұрын

I’m sure he knows what he can and can’t do. Being adult let’s him live his life as he sees fit!

@SW38357 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice, but whats up with the mask. If you're alone take it off. If you're 6' away from anyone, take it off. This whole mask thing is over done. Cloth masks are not even effective.

@stashamana 3 жыл бұрын

Turn on your imagination . If i a am wearing it than i m not alone, and not 6 feet away from people. And there are a lot of people in the shop. Cloth masks are effective , when they have 2 or more layers, and are certified and specifically made for protection (like the one i am wearing on the video).

@BoazKimMusic 3 жыл бұрын

@@stashamana Well said!

@RobertKennedyPersonal 2 жыл бұрын

Why are you harassing people about their clothing? You come across as an ass when you do this and I'm not sure that's what you want.

@swietymikolajbb 2 жыл бұрын

What is the mask for 🤔?

@holytaco. 2 жыл бұрын

It can also be for privacy reasons.