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nice list. us ace attorney fans have been starving for content! surprised to see the divination seance and re-visualization so high, but i can respect it. re-visualization is always so hype. idk if ur planning to do more lists like this in the future, but I'd love to collab or help out if so!

“I hope they make investigations 3” they gotta translate 2 first

Woah people actually watched this what da heck

No matter what, nobody can deny that special mechanics actually help the games feel fresh. I think I’d get bored. Also the thing with perceive is that Apollo can do it with ease without needing to intensely stare. If Phoenix or Apollo tried doing it, I’m pretty sure some questions would be raised “wtf are you doing? Stop”

I love your list! Seance is one of my favorites too. I am admittedly a big Herlock fan so Dance of Deduction is my #1, I also like Little Thief, the Little Thief section alone is what keeps Case 3 of Investigations 1 from bottom tier to me, that's how cool it is

I'm hoping that the multi-witnisess mecanic makes a return in the next game and I'm hoping that you can freely swap from mood matrix to cross-examination and back. I'm picturing a senario where 1 witnisess will make a statement and then another witness get surprised, but tries to hide only for the mood matrix to pick up the fact that they are in shock, which then results in the witness having to explain why they were in shock when the previous witness made that statement. We can even expand this further by having the player not only watch out for how other witnisess are going to react, but also force them keep an eye out for the judge, the prosecution and even their aid(es). In fact, why not introduce moments where the prosecution and/or the judge give testemonies like in the investigation games where they argue why the defendent is guilty in their eyes? What would also be cool is if logic is used to progress cross-examinations. Example 1: pressing a certain statement results in a thought bubble being added, which when combined with another thought bubble results in the cross-exam ending itself. Example 2: when combining 2 thought bubbles, a piece of evidence get's updated, which can then be presented to a statement that contradicts that evidence. Example 3: when pressing a certain statement, you are given the option to ask the witness a question. However when you connect 2 thought bubbles and then repress that statement, a new question appears and - upon asking that question - results you being able to progress through the trial. Also also, if you've played Hotel Dusk: room 215 and/or it's sequel Last Window: the secret of Hotel Cape West, then you'll know that on numerous occasions when talking to people characters will often say something that's highlighted in orange and when that happens a yellow triangle appears that when pressed results in your character yelling hold it before then being presented with 2 questions that you can ask the character. So why not copy that and incorparate it into the cross-examinations? When pressing a certain statement, the witness can end up running their mouth without them or anyone else noticing and by pressing the press button again as the witness is running their mouth you can end up trapping the witness.

I knew realized that there was a sound cue in logic chess that would tell you whether or not to wait. That fact alone made the mechanic a lot more challenging and fun for me. However, knowing that I can see why you found the mechanic lame.

You have very different taste in some of these than me. Ive never been a fan of the mood matrix. Maybe it could be good (though even in concept i find it kinda iffy) but a lot of the segments using it are kinda poorly written. Not all of them, theres some that use it well, but its enough to make it difficult to appreciate the mechanic. It's also just not much fun because its always extremely obvious when youre ment to object. I dont dislike it, its far from my biggest issue with DD or SOJ, but i could take it or leave it. Logic is easily one of the best. It does everything the magatama does but better, and is a large part of why the investigations games have such a good flow in terms of how the mystery unravels. Each peice of logic flows into the next and the way it all comes together at the end always feels great. While id probably rank percieve about the same as you, i do appreciate the intent. Apollo Justice is very centered on how broken the law of ace attorney is and how sometimes you need to play a little dirty to get Justice, hence the theme of poker that runs throughout the game, and i think perceive plays into this really well. In practice im less fond of it, but i like the idea. Id also place both the great ace attorney mechanics much higher than you. Lastly your opinion on Herlock is objectively wrong, and unfortunately im going to have to sentence you to death for your transgressions.

Very fun list. Lots of very valid points. I think if every Great Deductions was like the Partners scene it'd be much better (I love the Partners scene so much!) I think the only one K really disagree with is Logic Chess but I can definitely see your arguments do do hope it's improved upon in later games, probably something similar to Attorny of the Arcane's Argument system.

Herlock works because throughout all of TGAA1 he's basically just a misdirect, it's only in the second game where his Serious side really starts to come out. The way he goes "no more games" or something to that effect during the final dance of deduction shows, to me, that he's just been having fun messing with Ryunosuke this entire time (at least for most of it) but when he gets SERIOUS he doesn't even really need his partner's help necessarily, he could do it alone but dancing with his partner is still more fun

"I find Herlock to be *very* annoying" What the hell, how did you make it through GAA? I love his irritating dialogue. An actual complaint about Deductions is that 90% of the time the solution is "Pan the camera and click on the obvious solution". At times there's anomalies in the room that are so blatantly in sight as soon as you press the right stick that it doesn't make me feel smart. It makes everyone else look extremely stupid. Still love them though, the music, the posing, the humour.

Love this video!! And as a Perceive enjoyer… yeah, I definitely understand where you’re coming from. I think it’s a GREAT idea with a lot of tonal and narrative staying power, but was executed in a way that just isn’t fun. :/ And for the Dance of Deduction, I think they have you go through it twice so we can see the entirety of Sholmes’ wild conclusions, since on the second go-around he’s very receptive to Ryuu’s feedback and so he gradually changes his theory. I think having the second deduction be heavily abbreviated would have been helpful. The mechanic is delightful, but it really doesn’t need to be upwards of 20 minutes long, esp not with such low-stakes technical challenge.

I don't know how many people come for the challenge. It's nice to solve the mystery by itself, but we all save scum, so the penalty is null, and we sometimes use use walkthroughs, so we all have a solver in our hands. AA's most compelling element is the story, so the mechanics should be ranked by how fun it is to interact with them. BTW, I believe you forgot reactions from GAA, evidence spinning, and fingertips. I say this because spinnig the vase to look like the Blue Badger from Rise of the Phoenix is one of the most notorious interactions of the series...

I loved the concept of the Divination Seances in SoJ, but for some reason I absolutely SUCKED at all of them. I think I just had a hard time comparing the text to the visuals 😅

Phoenix,Athena,Apollo have:'Special magics' Miles has the thing they don't have:✨LOGIC✨

I haven't played Spirit of Justice yet, but my sister has and she greatly disagrees with your number 1 choice.

Honestly I have enough problems with Logic that I would put it second last (I'm on board with percieve being last, but that's a different rant). A lot of the time the logic just seemed so unbelievably obvious and simple that I never thought to put them together, and got stuck Like its something like "the victim was shot" and "theres a gun here" I never thought I would have to manually put together "Eureka!!! That must mean thats the murder weapon!!!!" Like yes obviously??? Do I need to "solve" that myself? Feels patronizing almost But maybe thats just the autism speaking

little thief and divination seance is underused imo too, very cool.

The magatama never had any penalties to begin with, other than making it take longer if you kept presenting the wrong evidence. If you were so bad that you got down to only one little bit pearls tells you to stop for now. When you go to court, that there aren't any penalties from failing the magatama, and when you get back to the investigations phase, it's completely reset

Bruh I’m legit on Rite of the Turnabout and got the end spoiled cause of this vid 😫

neat and cool video

Logic chess is a good idea imagine this : you have some sort of court record but only with logic fact you gattered by your investigation and the talk and then you can present them as evidence when the game show present logic

goood vid, but not liking hermlock sholmes, while understable, is a crime against god. But hey I'll put in a good word for you

About adding Penalty for skill such as revisualization, mood matrix,... How about adding Hardcore mode when you won't be able to save and if you run out of Confidence Gause, you have to start over from the beginning of Episode? That might fit you more because honestly such Penalty on your skill shouldn't exist.

I dislike perceive bc I really hate the whole “nervous tics means your lying” because that whole belief/trope is accidentally ableist. Having adhd and most likely autism I occasionally fidget especially when nervous and I’ve been accused of lying because of those behaviors (which I do to help calm myself, and most people get nervous when their accused of lying especially when people don’t tend to believe you in general) But now that I think about it I really want a story where an investigator uses something like perceive only to get stumped by witness that’s neurodivergent.

This is a pretty great list and I can't say I disagree with it. But about Apollo's ability; it's an irl thing, but it is a rare thing to be born with. You can learn to do it, but not to the extent that Apollo and Trucy can in the game.

Dude has some balls putting the GAA mechanics in the middle. I respect that.

I like the great deduction at first I was like man Sholmes is kinda stupid is this like incompetent detective tropes or something? then story progress and it's clear up give me satisfying results Mood Matrix also my favorite simply because it's tied to Athena I do agree that it could use some penalty but I see it can be used for investigations segment lastly I just want to see GAA mechanic to go into AA7

I will admit that Dance of Deduction is very slow because of going through it twice, but it wouldn't make sense to have those completely silly out there conclusions unless it's structured that way (which tbf does wrap around to your other point, if you don't like Herlock, you're not going to enjoy that part). Also the slowness is paid off with the final one where you do essentially fix it as you go along thereby communicating the strength of Sholmes and Mikotoba's partnership through mechanics, which is one of my favorite moments from the game. To put it another way, I don't really disagree, but I think fixing it so as to be a better experience for most of the instances where it shows up would be a net negative. That said, while I'd probably put the jury at the top (mainly because I find the jurors themselves to be very fun), I do really like divination seances, definitely a close second for me.

Magatama: Magic, but you're just asking harder Bracelet: Supersenses to look at liar's habit Widget: hi-tech voice analysis, but you're analyisingh hidden feelings Logic Chess: Normal Questions but you think you're playing a board game.

I only like psyche locks. I wish the mechanic wasnt so tied up in with magatama lore, so any character could do a field cross-examination. "you need this rock in order to use evidence to convince a witness to talk outside of court" its bad. dump the rock. I also do like the divination seance. Its like they finally made video evidence work.

In terms of Divination Seance, does it make sense to not refine to the max from the beginning? The only time it's shown to have any adverse effect on rayfa is when she personal stakes in the deal and tries to channel her dead fathers memories. Also, more taste contradictions please

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That's an interesting take on the mini-games of the AA. I wouldn't say i agree with the most of it, but you did make some arguments that made me think a little and look at those mechanics from somewhat different perspective. In my personal opinion: (lower end) 12. First off, just technically there's more than 10 special gameplay mechanics that appeared throughout the series, and while i don't exactly understand how did you managed to miss 1 of them, the other one is certainly more forgettable. Aaaaand this "other one" *definitely* should be at the bottom of the list in my personal opinion: the Grand Grimoire from PWvsPL. The most underutilized, underdeveloped and most importantly - boring gameplay "mechanic". Technically, it's not even a new mechanic - it's just a new "page" for different style of "evidence". It could had the greatest potential if it was developed a bit more, especially considering how this game was already made the AA mechanics look more like an elaborate puzzle. We could have gotten a giant book with a few dozens of different spells to confuse us and give them some special categories with elaborate descriptions to make the player actually *navigate* through a giant book of spells to find the ones we need to make our case. But instead, we received a "book" which usually updates with 2 spells per case that we need for that specific case too. And all the while other spells we received earlier already becoming meaningless. And sometimes the spells added not even used in the game! In the end, The Grand Grimoire is the most shallow mechanic, and just a glorified Court Records menu. 11. Logic. I'm sorry, but this was the most clunky gameplay mechanic AA ever had. The basic forms of "connect the dots" sequences are usually by themselves are somewhat damaging to the detective genre by default. Usually - because this types of "connections" usually have each half of an answer in each dot you need to connect. And Logic *is* that said basic form. I know that AA is mostly "contradiction" type of games by their design, thus - making "investigation" parts less of a focus in the series. But while making the Miles Edgeworth spinoff, the investigation became the most prominent feature of the game. And then, by making Logic, devs ruined half of the process for the investigations of the game. At least, that half that involves Logic. Firstly - because half of the time it's not us who having an epiphany, but the game who making the Logic bad or obvious. And secondly... because most parts of the Logic sequences are either redundant(We can't prove that Alba don't want us to investigate Manny's murder bc they are connected, until we prove that through connecting the two stupid dots in AAI-5?), stupidly easy and almost patronizing(like the pistol being the murder weapon in AAI-1 or balloon popping because of a cactus in AAI-4), becoming unnecessary roadblocks(We can't investigate the display case until we connect the dots about piggy bank having a hat in AAI-2? Seriously?!) or are awfully constructed(the whole stupid sequence about whereabouts of the cassette tape with the most idiotic arguments of "i got it! Incorporeal things can move from window to window!" in AAI-4). Granted, it's mostly the first investigation game's problem. Second one handled it better(at least, i don't remember being butthurt\hysterical by it aside from the mole joke in AAI2-1), but still that mechanic just not very *fun* to play. It could be improved, i think. I think only the final logic in AAI-2 was actually *GOOD* example of logic, where just a little thing could give Edgeworth a new leads and make a turnabout of the case. 10. Little thief. Firstly, i totally agree that this mechanic is underutilized. But sadly, this is the main reason why i actually dislike it. Because it underutilized, it had very little time to actually find flaws within itself that could be ironed out later. In the AAI1 it was just the investigation sequence with different colour scheme. And only by AAI2 it was made into something interesting with implemented time feature. But in the end it's still just an investigation. 9. Percieve. Despite the fact i'm AA:AJ apologist and one of the fans of Percieve mechanic, i would say that it was botched up badly as the time went by. If it weren't for the DD and SoJ influence, it would probably be a bit higher. Anyway, i always liked the idea of tells and nervous ticks. It's somewhat unique, and is one of those few less otherworldly(Magatama and Seanse) and less technically advanced(Little Thief and Mood Matrix) mechanics, which make it quite realistic for the AA games. I would argue that either Phoenix nor Athena couldn't do this mechanic because of the way it works. We know that Phoenix is good, but Trucy even better at spotting those tells. Problem arises within the game lore: Phoenix found out about case 1 tell, and Trucy found one in the case 2 of AJ. But after that it even Trucy couldn't find tells that small. Almost unnoticeable fiddling of the ring and a scarf? Eye twitching behind reflective sunglasses? The exact moment when the person started to sweat? I don't think it's enough for Phoenix to notice them, and Thena is definitely not exactly "perceptive" kind of person, despite her ability. XD Anyway, i digress. I think that this mechanic would be somewhat easy to fix: just make the double presenting a thing or on the contrary - make a double\triple perceiving a thing! Latter, i think, would work even better. You pressing them on a little nervous tick for them become more aggravated and nervous, which would make their tell even more obvious when they give you an excuse! And you will point out their lie until all the fluff is gone and only THEN you can present evidence to that clean statement to actually break their testimony. 8. That's the second mechanic i think you forgot to mention: multiple witnesses from PWvsPL and TGAA! Its really fresh and unique way of making a cross examination, that certainly makes it more interesting. I would, however, say that it has a few flaws on it's own. Usually - that it makes no noticeable difference to the players that always pressing statements anyway. Moreover, it was very easy in TGAA games after a bit more confusing, but enjoyably harder PWvsPL crossover game. (rest in the replies)

cool video

9.7533 out of ten

I do like the list, but as an Investigations enjoyer I simply must object to how low all their mechanics are. I understand the top is a tight race, and I don't honestly know where I'd stick them all personally, but Logic Chess especially makes my brain go brrrr. I just love the idea of talking circles around these peoples. You're in a state where evidence can't get you anywhere, but with sheer force of will you can squeeze everything you need out of someone. It's forgiving, but not nearly as forgiving as you made it out to be; you're allowed to make a couple mistakes, but they'll catch up to you if you're being too sloppy. And I know for one Logic Chess specifically, the speed of the timer becomes a very prevalent factor. (The woman in case 5, you know the one). Honestly my biggest gripe with it is that there's no unique "wrong" dialog. Every time you pick the wrong option it's just "I have you now!" "No." If they just changed that, it'd be the perfect mechanic.

NAHHHHH PERCIVE IS THE TIGHTEST THING EVERRRRRRRRRR good vid

Athena should get a game in Kuraih'n (or however you spell it)

1:25 Well, not really, and it is explained pretty poorly in Turnabout Succession. You see, Athena has very good hearing, and Apollo has very good eyesight. It's kinda something like eagle vision. I don't think you notice hand trembling slightly from 5-10 meters away, even if you focus very well.

is there a link to the HD investigations 2 download? and is there an english one?

Now that I think about it, are you that one person I see on the Subreddit? With a Similar Name of "Athenalikespizza" or am I just going crazy?

I wouldn't rank jury and dance above thief. What they do is first complicate simple problems and then draw simple conclusions, most of the time they create problems rather than solve them.

The only one i didn't like was plain logic; I would put perceive way above the magatama, though

Logic Chess could’ve been way better, but I think they hit the mark multiple times. Against Lotta Hart the time was made an actual obstacle. I think Larry’s logic chess was hilarious, practically the teacher forcing you to answer B 5 times in a row. Blaise’s, Courtney’s and Sebastian’s Logic Chess were also executed very well imo. It deserved to be higher. Also Logic should’ve been a lot higher… Plus I think that Logic Chess not being punishing isn’t a real problem, because getting a penalty in this game just means you have to start over from a save point, which I don’t like for AA games.

Anyway disagreeing and complaining time I never got the divination nonsense I found the minigames confusing and unintuitive, and I didnt really like the princess lol Mood matrix I also wasn't a huge fan of. I over think emotions and get really confused in that one. Unless it was unbelievably obvious then I managed to explain it away in my head because emotions are messy and people are confusing. I also struggled to differentiate surprise and fear. Plus the sound effects were REALLY annoying Perhaps this is just another autism moment 😔 I love the dance of deduction because sholmes is my favourite character in the series. I'm okay with going through it twice because I love seeing his ludicrous and blatantly wrong deduction, and then having ryunosuke go "..ok lets try this again" and correcting him on the way The dramatic lookback at the end of every case was one I did enjoy more than expected, but I wouldn't put AS high It felt like it soured each case the tiniest bit knowing for a fact that there was gonna be some ludicrous case spinning twist at the end that a glorified cutscene would make me figure out Although typing that out made me realise that thats Just ace attorney so hm. Still conflicted Percieve is still baffling to me. Not only does the gameplay suck, but naritavely it makes no sense I do not like having to scour the screen for one tiny animation change. It feels like the only way to do that well is to already know the solution, and if you do, what's the point Also, apollo really just goes "youre lying" "No I'm not" *looks at them really hard* "YOURE LYING!!!!!" "AAARGGGGG YOURE RIGHT!!!!" Its truly Source: trust me bro I adore ace attorney though do not get me wrong, I just love talking about it so much that I couldnt help myself

All of the Investigations gimmicks being almost dead last is sad but like, I can't help but agree. As much as I liked the Investigations series those features were annoying, especially logic chess. I had a guide at my side in all honesty, just to get through them ASAP

Wow i HATE HATE the Divination Seances. Really really vage, really really great room to F'ed up, really really not fun to play for me. But i get your point why u like it i guess.

I hate the soj mechanic, it's so bad