Achtung Panzer Battle Report: Armoured Clash, Blood & Steel

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The Ministry of Miniatures

The Ministry of Miniatures

3 ай бұрын

This week’s battle report takes us back to Normandy 1944 and an Achtung Panzer tank battle.
Our first full battle report utilitising the new rules by WarlordGames we venture into the fast paced, fun and actioned world of Actung Panzer, the WW2 tank game.
This new game from Warlord Games: Achtung Panzer, utilising the new starter set Blood and Steel does not disappoint!
Having received the introduction rules from Warlord Games we now play Achtung Panzer.
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Watch as George and I fight out a tank battle with two German Panther auf D’s vs three British Sherman’s (a Firefly and 2 x Sherman V).
The terrain is out, the tanks are ready… now it’s time to get to fight to the death.
Warlord Games tanks and their new Achtung Panzer rules we are all set for a thrilling and desperate race to the death and to win.
Another great battle, fantastic board and a few laughs and banter along the way…
…but who will win, watch and see!
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@ArkhamTool
@ArkhamTool 2 ай бұрын
Late to the party, but love the table, the vid, and the wonderful view, gaming on a rainy day. You earned a new subscriber. 😊
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the positive feedback and great to have a new subscriber 👍🏻 Hopefully we can get some more Achtung Panzer in soon. Cheers
@TheEldarGuy
@TheEldarGuy 3 ай бұрын
My Dad knew a tank commander who was involved in El Alamein. He said that if the German shell just missed, you knew the next one was on target and already on its way. Cards can be a great way to represent "everything just worked" and also "there was nothing to help us". Points match games always brings up a stir, because, the USA had sheer manufacturing might on their side. A lost German tank probably couldn't be replaced, a Sherman could have three replacements for every one lost. A points match game will always look skewed. A great report. Love the terrain. Thank you.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
You are welcome and thank you for the comment and additional information it was very much appreciated and interesting. Part of the problem with the German tanks was that they were so well engineered that they took too long to replace and so they were often lacking in numbers… the soviets did mass production and were cheap and cheerful - so they had the numbers. Thanks again, looking forward to getting more games in👍🏻
@deniskosta1080
@deniskosta1080 3 ай бұрын
To be fair in desert it wasn't generally German tanks shooting at Allied tanks but rather AT guns. German Panzer operated under cover of ATGs. These tactics later disappeared as German armoir tactics deteriorated and as bad Eastern Front habits came to dominate German tactical thinking.
@mickmo4700
@mickmo4700 3 ай бұрын
A very interesting format. Very technical but there's nothing wrong with that! Loved the game board as well. Another great watch.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, just over an hour to play, so fairly easy and paced game… once you get to grips with the rules! Glad you liked it and thanks again for the comment 👍🏻
@willbacster223
@willbacster223 3 ай бұрын
Maybe if they had a real Tank Commander who had command at a tank in real combat involved in the game design and would play like crap. Commanders operate on a crew brief for each bound.(moving from cover to cover) there is no need to tell the loader to reload if the commander doesn’t want to change the type of round. The load will just reload automatically. The gunner will Fire automatically at any vehicle he sees (IAW the crew brief) there is no need for three phases as every crewman knows what to do and how to react. Ie Where will l go What about the ground (how can I use it) What about the enemy? Actions on contact? For example Crew: from here we will jockey back, left brake right around the this hill. Driver I want us to hug the tree line that will be on our right. Once you see the red brick house I want you to put us in a fire position on the left-hand side. Likely enemy is an A vehicle. Action on: Diver your arch is track to track, if you see the enemy first point the hull at the enemy and yell contact. Loader: load AP your arch is from 3-9. Hull gunner your arch are 2-11. You are clear to fire at all enemy targets under 200. Gunner your arch is 12-3 you are clear to engage ID enemy under 300. My arch will be 9-12 if we are fired soon drive reverse, gunner pop smoke. Any questions? Drive prepared to reverse. All up the brief should take an minute. A shame The UK has so many tank regiments and this game is an insult to them and their forefathers.😞
@squigoth
@squigoth 3 ай бұрын
Best game put the ones on KZfaq as of now...Question; if a tank is peeking around the corner of a building should 't it get eh hull down bonus on the hit location chart if it's hit? I wish Warlord would give us pre-order customers a PDF copy of the rules. I preordered the the card and token depot dump set to get everything my group needs to play. We are going to start at 28mm but also considering playing this in 15mm with no changes to the measurements. I really like the "short range" straight to unlimited range... very realistic for a tank game.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate the feedback - we really enjoyed the game so hopefully that came across, we are planning future games and some different tanks 👍🏻
@asowle
@asowle 3 ай бұрын
A excellent watch and out of the 3-4 demos I seen on KZfaq the first will tanks being destroyed with single hits...also you answered a question of mine.... what happens when a tank blows up Vs taking 3 hits etc...Must order a copy of the rules and keep up the videos...
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it, we are looking forward to getting some different tanks on the table 👍🏻
@johndesch7251
@johndesch7251 3 ай бұрын
Neon green ford lol. Like it
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Lol, yes I managed to pick up a few damaged old cars on eBay... I just need to get round to painting them and doing some weathering!
@MikeBradford-wc3vr
@MikeBradford-wc3vr 3 ай бұрын
Nice looking game, glad you enjoyed it. On the roll for additional effects from hull/turret hits you only roll 2 dice: If the first roll is 1-2 it's shaken and no further effect. Otherwise roll the second d6 for the effect
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Good to know!
@goforitpainting
@goforitpainting 3 ай бұрын
Cool report. 👍
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you 👍🏻 We both really enjoyed the game, we will be looking at other tanks, theatres… and maybe even 15mm… But just need to get more games in. Thanks again for the positive comment.
@roderickrobertson8223
@roderickrobertson8223 3 ай бұрын
Good game with predictable results given the lack of event cards. Perhaps firing smoke to shut down one Panther while using the other two Shermans (one the Firefly) to hunt and kill the other might be a better option? If you want to use the two Panthers in tandem again then have the Commonwealth troop be a Canadian or Polish one where tank troops had three regular Shermans (75mm) and one Firefly (17 pdr.). That might make the German a wee bit more nervous. Finally, the Germans were not the only Nazis about. I am a bit of a grammar Nazi, so please forgive me when I say that the singular of dice is die, not dice. Thanks for taking the time to film, edit and post this video. The game looks like great fun. Keep up the great work. Your channel is a credit to the hobby. Huzzah! Cheers and good gaming!
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comments and feedback, we will be trying different tanks to see how they perform and how the game develops as we get to grips with the rules. Dice vs die… oh dear, I always think of die as very old fashioned and really don’t know anyone who says that anymore… apart from our friends across the ocean in USA etc 👍🏻😂 hopefully not too off putting😉 We are looking forward to different tanks and maybe even 15mm at some point, but for now it is just about getting to grips with the rules. Thanks again 👍🏻
@roderickrobertson8223
@roderickrobertson8223 3 ай бұрын
I'm looking forward to seeing new tanks in the fray. Perhaps some Eastern Front or North African combat. Keep up the great work. I was taught, rather harshly, by masters of the Bristol Grammar School in "your Bristol" that "die" was the singular of "dice". My Fourth Form Maths master would go apoplectic if any of us said dice for the singular. But that was a long time ago when "putting a bit of stick about" actually involved ruttan canes.in the hands of an ex WWII Special Boats Service commando whose previous job was to deal vigorously with naughty Germans! There is nothing colonial about my anarchism, it was a survival mechanism of the early 1970s left in the wake of the the 1940s SBS! Cheers and good gaming.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@roderickrobertson8223 I can only imagine… tough teachers in the 70’s I remember getting the slipper for talking in class, ten of the best and I wasn’t even talking!!! Still, that hasn’t stayed with us 😉😂 Thanks again 👍🏻
@howardeverton2847
@howardeverton2847 3 ай бұрын
Awesome game lads!!! Totally stoked by Achtung Panzer!!! Roll on release day. Not unbalanced in my view, but realistic cause for Panzer 😨
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, we really enjoyed the game and it felt much faster, the game play is straightforward as long as you don’t try to rush everything! Glad you liked it, we are looking at other tanks and nations… US, Soviets…. Can’t wait! Thanks again 👍🏻
@stephenhigginson5813
@stephenhigginson5813 3 ай бұрын
Lovely table gents
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, we try to make the tables look good and go for an authentic looking battle… so thank you for the feedback 👍🏻
@edwardspaidejr.9128
@edwardspaidejr.9128 3 ай бұрын
Much better than first time! I still wish there was a way to incorporate the infantry game into it. Spot on result historically though!
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! It felt better too 👍🏻
@jeffthomas3707
@jeffthomas3707 3 ай бұрын
The whole point of this game is to be a tank only battle. Warlord also do a game called Tank War which focuses on both vehicle and infantry units. I think if this had infantry it'd just be a 28mm version of Flames Of War. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a game expansion in the pipeline.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@@jeffthomas3707 it would make sense if they did… every tank could have cards and then the support options etc.
@robthomas6758
@robthomas6758 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for showcasing these rules. The force balance in this starter set seems way off - especially since this is the entry point to the game they are selling. The Panthers auto penetrate the Shermans from any angle, and auto kill the Shermans from the side. The Shermans cant even glance the Panthers 13 armour, but can hurt them from the side. The firefly gun seems under powered, same ap as panthers, and still needs a 5 to penetrate the panthers 13 from the front. Just interested in your thoughts on this after battling through it and the result you had.... and the expected results from most games. Considering that by the game rules what you had were equal stength on each side
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Indeed, we will be trying some other tanks which might be more balanced.
@bryandennis1917
@bryandennis1917 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this, interesting to see the game played. I have a question though, is there any rules for each nation? I wonder if that rules for British tanks firing fast would help balance this type of game vs Panthers/Tigers. My Grandad was a tanker and when they came up against armour they basically pummelled rounds into the tanks, this didn’t always destroy the tank but had the effect of the crew bailing out as they were under heavy fire/spotted. Wondering if there’s any rules to represent this? Crew under pressure? Auto reload?
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
The nearest thing is the cards, these aren’t nation specific, but do help with fast reloading… I guess you could always house rule it?
@MikeBradford-wc3vr
@MikeBradford-wc3vr 3 ай бұрын
It's tough for the allies, but the reloading rules mean they should load a bit faster than a Tiger. Also a one shot kill is harder, but 3 damaging hits of any kind, including running gear, is enough to knock out the heaviest tank.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@MikeBradford-wc3vr yes that’s correct… I think the British need to keep firing to get the damage dished out, we are looking at some different tanks Panzer IV’s etc!
@bryandennis1917
@bryandennis1917 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for replying!
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
You’re welcome 👍🏻
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz 2 ай бұрын
I have a question. Does this have allow for fighting from a hull-down position?
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 2 ай бұрын
We started hull open, but only went down when forced through being hit, but that can knock you command down a level as was the case… we like them open to get a good view into combat, but probably should button down once engagement has started!
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz 2 ай бұрын
No, no, not buttoned/ unbuttoned. Hull-down, using terrain to mask the hull so only the turret is exposed to return fire.
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz 2 ай бұрын
Sorry, former IRL tanker here, I forget that a lot of these terms aren't common parlance.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 2 ай бұрын
@jonskowitz no problem, I should have read it properly 😂 Yes we did, it does impact on where you hit, this game was a few weeks ago now so we probably need to get another one in!
@timbrogren7330
@timbrogren7330 3 ай бұрын
I don't necessarily think the Shermans are unbalanced against the Panthers. You just need to use the terrain more to your advantage and be a bit smart about it. It depends alot on your preferred style of play 🤷🏼 If I'm not misinformed, the shermans get alot more special ammo later in the war.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Indeed, I think if you have the Sherman’s up against the panthers you must use the terrain to your advantage… George did try this, but was punished for falling short and leaving his flank exposed. I think I need to paint a couple of Panzer IV’s to try them out 👍🏻
@timbrogren7330
@timbrogren7330 3 ай бұрын
@@theministryofminiatures yes, I would love to see some pz4 :) I would also like to see another batrep with Shermans and Panthers where the shermans go harder on the flanking. But that's just me ^^ Keep it up!
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@timbrogren7330 I need to convince George to keep playing… we both like the game and the cards, but he LOVES his 15 & 6mm stuff… so a little persuasion might be needed 😂👍🏻😉 My panzer IV’s have been ordered, so will build and paint them… that’ll help 👍🏻
@timbrogren7330
@timbrogren7330 3 ай бұрын
@@theministryofminiatures hehe, so many games and so little time! I have the same "problem"
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@timbrogren7330 exactly!!!
@darylhitchcox7113
@darylhitchcox7113 3 ай бұрын
Hi I really enjoy watching your content, I am just wondering are you going to do some USMC gameplay.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Hi, I have some Marines… but they are still on sprue! 😂 However John, who did the intro the wargaming Band of Brothers starter video with me has now invested in a Japanese force… so watch this space. However first we need to get the planned special for 80th anniversary of D-Day out of the way… we have some cool content planned for the whole weekend! 😉
@deniskosta1080
@deniskosta1080 3 ай бұрын
The way this game plays I don't see how alloes can ever reliably win against German big cats. The Germans can just sit back and pelt away. Flames of War had the same problem but at least you had artillery to fix it.
@bobdole8830
@bobdole8830 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the video, nice shots, dialogues and gameplay. The actual game itself really couldnt convince me though. While technicaly speaking the tanks here are more different from each other than in tank wars, they all feel same-same with slightly different stats. The combat also seems boring and clustered and overly mechanical without offering more game depth or options. Just adding tests for every step along the way doesnt make for a better experience, it is just more random, less skill based and therefore more boring. I was hoping for more player agency and being able to do things, tanks couldnt in tank war or bolt action and for the tanks and crews to buy abilities, "learn" new tricks, maybe get wounds that permanently alter the way the play, same with the tanks, being able to upgrade them meaningfully or receiving damages that cant be fully repaired in the field. More versatile tanks like the Sherman with the Gyrostabilisers maybe should have been able to shoot during a move order, or maybe for tanks to drive through builings or set ambushes in them etc. Adding a dice check to see if the driver is able to fasten the seatbelt and to see if the tank commander manages to turn on the radio isnt my idea of an immersive game or fun. I think I wont cancel my preorder, because I got a core box for 78€ and I probably will keep the tanks and terrain and flip the rest of the stuff for Achtung Panzer! for maybe 20€, but nothing about this seems fun to me. Id rather stick to tank wars, there the tanks at least felt more unique and had more interesting abilities than the tanks in the video. I recon there are campaing features that somewhat do what I descrbed before, but with the actual game being this dull, I doubt Id invest enough time into it, or will even find players willing to play with me. As mentioned in another video no one in my playgroup preordered anything, since we didnt know the rules. And looking at the game now, that maybe was a good business decision on Warlords part.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. We discussed the campaign side of it off camera… I think it would add more to the game, but I would probably agree that if you struggle to find others to play then it might not be a game for your group… certainly most of my group are not interested, but we will give it a few more games… we are also thinking about 15mm to allow us a wider variety of tanks, we would probably need to make some stats up! Thanks again for your comment 👍🏻
@squigoth
@squigoth 3 ай бұрын
@@theministryofminiatures Yeah, I can't believe they left out the Tiger II...LOL the stats should be easy enough... Class 5, close combat 2, hull down 3, the Nashhorn has the same 88 as the Tiger II s there the stats for that... Movement would be 5 inches (maybe restrict dash dice to one D6?) and looking at the Elephant's armor I'd go with maybe 19/18 front hull / turret armor, 9/9 hull/turret side armor, 9 rear armor and 5 deck armor. Just a thought...😃
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@@squigothindeed, there are no panzer III either, so for early/mid war in eastern front or north africa we will need to make our own stats for now!
@Redwhiteblue-gr5em
@Redwhiteblue-gr5em 3 ай бұрын
As in real war, difficult for 3 Shermans to defeat 2 Panthers. Those cards are pretty lame by negating an action that already happened.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
I guess it all depends on which cards you have as to whether they can be negated, but it can reduce its effectiveness.
@G4George
@G4George 3 ай бұрын
Interesting, the cards are actually my favourite part of the game. I like a bit of chaos in my games.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Yes, we did find it fun to try to out do each other with cards!
@WilliamsburgLegati
@WilliamsburgLegati 3 ай бұрын
Actually they are a reasonable mechanic so that you negate the simplicity of the d6 probability curve. If they had used a d10 they could have lessened the need to have card offsets to that factor.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@WilliamsburgLegati interesting… didn’t think about that, would make for a slightly different game for sure! Thanks for the input 👍🏻
@johndesch7251
@johndesch7251 3 ай бұрын
Too much emphasis on loading the gun. It’s really automatic
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
I can see why you might not like that, I didn’t think it was a problem but I can understand your comment. Thanks for the comment 👍🏻
@jeffthomas3707
@jeffthomas3707 3 ай бұрын
Loading guns during WWII was certainly not automatic.
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
That’s my thinking too, guns jammed, you need to change shells, so I think once you see that the turn has three phases, it is so much easier to understand how you can load, target and shoot at a tank in that one turn 👍🏻
@gazzavc
@gazzavc 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful table and tanks, it’s a shame the game system doesn’t better reflect real armored combat. Warlord’s armor & penetration factors are horribly represented. Your 17pdr should and did have a far better penetration value than what is represented in the game. Based on Warlord’s theoretical engagement range of 500m the 17pdr penetration value should be 13, not 8 !!!
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thank you, yes some of the stats are… unusual and some are missing, Panzer III for example. We have discussed doing 15mm to have some decent ranges on the tanks and to allow for a good range of tanks.
@gazzavc
@gazzavc 3 ай бұрын
@@theministryofminiatures glad to hear we aren’t the only ones who think that way. I feel playing in 15mm scale would go a long way to making it “look right” with the arbitrary 18” short/long range cut off. Would have been nice to have seen a medium range band as well as better researched armor & penetrating values rather than what looks to us to be abstract guesstimations 👍
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
@@gazzavcGeorge and I will do another game in a few weeks to see if we can get some other tanks into play, and look at some missing stats, good job I can print some blank cards and agree some stats for the tanks… would be good to do early and mid war battles.
@gazzavc
@gazzavc 3 ай бұрын
@@theministryofminiatures YES !!! looking forward to seeing it !!
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Thanks, George and I can’t get a game in for 3-4 weeks, so that’ll give us time to plan. Thanks again for the comments 👍🏻
@deniskosta1080
@deniskosta1080 3 ай бұрын
This game really doesn't play like WW2. Thanks to omniscient players and too much terrain, the tanks weave in and out of terrain as they deftly avoid tanks they wouldn't even be aware of in real life (remember you are in a noisy steel can with limited visibility).
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
I guess it is a balancing act between having a good looking table and what would be realistic… the range tanks could and can fire is enormous and would need a smaller scale to be realistic! We had fun, we could put less terrain on, but I like the idea of fight around a farm or town just as much as the open countryside. Hope you enjoyed the battle report, we have discussed 15mm also…
@jensich3300
@jensich3300 3 ай бұрын
give this cars in german language ?
@theministryofminiatures
@theministryofminiatures 3 ай бұрын
Grunes Auto… 🛺 😉😂
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