Somehow, Episode 3 returned

I feel like Sol obsession's with having a padawan if it had been known from earlier in the season would have made the death of Jecki have a bigger impact.

Saying that these witches are more interesting than the night sisters is one hell of a choice

I think you missed an important question. Where did Mother Koril go? I don't think she was with the witches who took over Kelnacca's mind.

padawan runs off to get the kids so he can go home, Sol yells at him to get him to stop, chases after him to STOP HIM, once he caught up, just helps him

Better NOT call Sol…

These Disney+ episodes absolutely need to be a full hour long.

If house of dragon has comparable budget, someone is stealing from disney

"I sense that she is meant to be my padawan" was almost as bad as "somehow Palpatine returned"

We need to know how Qimir met and lured Mae to be his pupil. Why do we see him seducing Osha before we know anything about him and Mae’s early relationship

The way Venestra talks to Sol = the way Anaseya talked to Torbin = Qimir talking to Osha = Palpatine talking to Anakin. Same seductive grooming-style of talking.

I was stunned when Mother Anisaya turned into a murder cloud and then was killed....and the story frames it like Sol did the wrong thing. She immediately says something like "....I was going to give you everything you wanted" and it's like.....WHY DID YOU TURN INTO A DEATH CLOUD!?!?

The Trek Stan in me had a great time with the opening to this episode... "Science officer Sol's log. We are collecting flora samples on Brendok, an uninhabited M class planet." It felt like such an odd thing to see Jedi doing.

I feel like the whole point of episode 7 was for both Osha and Mae to be told the truth simultaneously by Sol. Episode 6 ended with Osha putting on the Cortosis helmet which cuts off her senses save her connection to the Force; since she and Mae have an identical Force-print, she is witnessing Sol’s confession to Mae via their bond.

I think the mother was gonna teleport away in a live version of teleport like we saw in the mountain clan on Dathomir in tales of the empire.

I agree with them about the longer run time. We should have gotten more of Kelnacca and his obvious PTSD. Clearly being taken over by the witches left him seriously headf*cked.

Maybe Sol was taken by the Jedi when he was young (say 4) and Qimir was his younger brother who was a baby later resented Sol leaving him and their family and though he also was strong in the Force, had a grudge against Sol for abandoning them and him not being allowed to join his brother. Leading him to seek the dark side of the Force. That's my thoughts about a week ahead of the finale!

You are clearly a shill. If you've been reviewing Star Wars there's no way you don't see how bad the writing is. It is Star Wars, and the standards are high. It is not a generic CW show. You are explaining things the writers never intended. The writers do not understand the lore and the fans have every right to call them out.

25:25 THIS is probably EXACTLY what 7 should have revealed. That in that moment that Sol chose Osha over Mae on that bridge/catwalk, Sol created Qimir and it was Qimir that saved Mae. Or even that the witches had somehow made that possible with their little group trance deal. The reason Qimir is as old as he indicates is because the witches did not die cause the wookie was broken free...but the wookie was broken free cause the witches completed their ritual of passing their spirits to create a new life...using Sol's inner turmoil as the catalyst. So combining all the lives of all the witches that passed their spirits to create Qimir would make him older than he appears. Making Qimir a mix of all those witches and Sol...which would explain why he is so powerful.

He wasnt intending to reveal anything to mae other than to explain his actions as it was the first time theyd been face to face since that night

I tune in every week to see how Ryan will explain how this show is good 😂😂

So did Indara kill everyone in the coven ripping their brains out of the wookie?

If Qimir turns out to be a force projection of Sol. That makes all that sexual tension between OSHA and Qimir in that last episode have some super icky subtext.

Good writing? Character motivations change on a dime or are non existent. Then you have to ask why is mist form vulnerable to a lightsaber? Unless she chose to reform around a lightsaber killing herself as a martyr.

It doesn’t feel like it’s moving things forward . It feels like it’s over seasoning the broth. The writing is not convincing

Still…. So Many Unanswered Questions

Dude, while HOTD may have a similar budget, the money is spent in very different ways. HOTD spends a lot on re-using dragon CGI effects. They are re-using the same sets for every episode. There isn’t a major budget expense for alien makeup, either. I think the comparison to HOTD or Dune is way off the mark.

Mother Koril is probably the one that saved Mae on the bridge. Koril must have been the force that was pulling Mae away from Sol's force grip.That is why it felt so difficult for him to save both. His main focus was not trying to hold up both sides of the bridge. Koril naturally was trying to pull Mae to herself cuz they are both the "dark" forces in their respective pairings (Aniseya/Osha: light, Koril/Mae: dark), and Sol could feel less resistance with Osha so he saved the twin that he knew he could definitely save and wanted to be his padawan. Maybe Qimir, being a lost Jedi at the time of the Brendok incident, was attracted to the planet for the same reason the Jedi were cataloguing it. He incorporated part of Koril and Aniseya's forces into him when they parished which is why he has the connection to the twins and knew about their dyad. Koril and Aniseya's forces probably live on through Qimir who is using their dyad strength for his own purposes. Come on, let's see it! P.S. Once Aniseya and Koril decide to go into a disintegrated form, they are essentially "sacrificing" themselves for that power and can no longer return to their previous physical body.

I like this story a lot, but it feels like we have 5 more episodes to go rather than this being the penultimate episode.

That ability, the black smoke monster lol, I think that’ll be how mae and osha become one again. I still don’t understand why as children they’re non identical, but identical as adults lol. Still something that stands out to me lol

I actually thought this episode was too short. It feels like they have a lot to cover in a short amount of time.

I’m still wondering what torbin did that when Mae showed up with poison, he happily downed it. Sure he was the reason they went back to the temple, but literally EVERYTHING that happened after they showed up was easily avoidable.

Some ppl thought the flash as well written too. Ijs 😂😂😂

Mae didn’t start the fire! It was always burning! Since the world was turning!

I found it pretty cool that it took that many Force witches to possess and control a wookie Jedi master and then another Jedi master flushes them out thus killing them with the feedback. Really spoke to the mental power involved.

I feel like the final must present a third view (Sith). It must explain how Mae end up as an acolyte. Also a cliffhanger is needed.

Turns into smoke monster, gets stabbed with lightsaber while in smoke form.

Ok so the jedi go to ask questions about force sensitive children, like they tend to do... And as soon as they are inside, a witch mind controls torbin.... but we dont know who to blame.... lol

Kaimet is using OSHA to get to May and use the power of the diad.. and then they find out that he use the witches to create the diet to get the power of the diet which in Susan a battle where neither side wins Yoda shows up and covers it all up

The other thing I think might be happening is that (unless we're going to get a two hour run time) the season finale is going to resolve some things, but not others. It's as though Headland anticipates a second season that, based on the overall audience response, isn't going to happen.

Indara potentially lied to Sol about the councils decision to not move forward with the twins. She was ready to go alongside torbin

Her: Turns into literal freaking black smoke Also her: I was gonna let her go with you 🙄

I think the big reveal is vanestra has a whip type lightsaber and kiamira has a scare on his back from his master who kick him out of the jedi

They didn't have the mind possession scene look terrifying because they are playing the ambiguous angle. Who are the evil here? If it's obvious who the evil is, then the Jedi are automatically the good guys. This show is delving deeper into the fact that they are not always the good guys. In fact, seldom are they... Also the show looks great, stop reaching

I honestly don’t even think Torbin’s motivation is written well either. He says he misses Coruscant, but why? 7 weeks seems like a short stint on a planet for a Jedi. Is this his first mission away from Coruscant, and he’s homesick? Does he miss the temple? Does he miss his Friends? They don’t explain why he wants to go back really and without context as to why he misses Coruscant, he just seems like a whiney spoiled padawan.

Qimir says "Don't you recognize me?" While still wearing the helmet, so he couldnt mean the apothecary shop.

Ryan, I think you nailed it regarding the Chosen One.

Me, personally, I think Ryan has fully morphed into a Nerd Crew parody of himself. VERY cool that he already resembles Jay. VERY cool.

Ryan saying this show has good writing has me losing faith in this channel. “The ability to speak does not make you intelligent”

I dont understand the issue people have with how some of fight scenes in episode 5 were shot. I'm sure it was intentionally shot like that. First of all, the fight is sort of being shown from Oshas perspective (sort of!) and so we're not going to see every angle and the perfect shots. We're going to see it through the trees and trying to make out whats going on like Osha would be. And trying to make out whats going on, for me personally, was intriguing. It added this mystery to The Stranger. We don't fully understand at that point who this character is, and we dont fully understand his fighting. I dont know if that makes sense, but i just don't think it was bad because we couldnt make everything out.

I have a lot to criticize about this episode but I am gonna focus with this comment on comparing the structure of this show to Andor. Andor gives us a structure that is straight forward. It gives us a contious story that shows us new characters and characters we know from Rogue One and we see their impact on how Andor became this rebel who believes so much in his cause that he would ultimately give up his life only to damage the empire. What is important to me is that the show follows a 3 episode story arc structure. Each of these story arcs built up this huge finale and each of them impact our protagonist as a character. It all rises the stakes for all character for this final confrontation. Now I want to highlight the episode before the finale. What makes the episode stand out is that it moves every character like pieces on a chess board for that finale event. This acolyte episode and the episode before don't do this. Mae could find qimir and oscha but she is not in the position to do so. Qimir has no reason to leave and won't let oscha leave (even though he lets her think she could leave any moment if she wanted to). Venestra has no idea how to find qimir or sol or anyone really. There are no stakes to this confrontation and there is no clear way to resolve this situation. The structure of this show is a mess which threw away a lot of potential.

I have a theory that Aniseya was going to possess everybody when she was turning into black smoke to stop the fighting but Sol miss read what she was doing. And then Koril did the same smoke possession to a Qimir

So the witches coven are actually Death Eaters?

I really like Heather’s analysis . Mystery box storytelling is hindering the story

I was thinking that Qimir would somehow turn Sol to the dark side, maybe to save the twins, but that would be him killing a Jedi without a weapon.

Ryan is the only guy defending Disney Star Wars and that ok but I would love to see him debate Star Wars theory or mauler from EFAP

Sun / Moon is just because Sol and Qimir are parallels of one another in the story in that they both want a pupil / padawan. That's all. They aren't connected further.

When is this show going to be about the Sith? Thats how it was sold to me. He's had 1 episode and it was awesome.

Cal Kestis IS the balance in the Force

I enjoyed the bit where the stone floor caught on fire from a small electrical fire… that cascaded into blowing up the entire power source…. Because plot 🤷‍♂️… where were the other Jedi when sol was trying to save the kids? How did trinity land the ship and arrive 1 minute after the Wookiee? Did they not even bother to look for mae’s body? Return the next day to assess the damage/loss of life?..

Ryan just said the the writing was the best lmaoooo

I was one of the defendants of this show but yeah this episode was not good for me, i thought every character needs and desires were easy and dum, Torbin was with them for only a week and was already missing the temple… pls… the only character who made sense was Carie Ann moss character

Dear @Screencrush Here is a theory: In the Rise of Skywalker, both Kylo and Rey were a diad. Palpatine while away on his planet spent the entire time not only building up his fleet, but also collecting force sensitive people who were amongst the crowd. I propose that they were all under the same black eyed spell. Having both Kylo and Rey present allowed Palpatine to take the power of two in combination of the many in the crowd would make Palpatine the strongest force user in the Galaxy. I believe The Mother was going to use the twins to strengthen her power, and the Coven was a mass of force sensitives willing to sacrifice themselves to be the power of many them all being Acolytes.Thats why they either passed out or died when the connect was severed like in Rise of Skywalker. DaRTH PLAGUES influenced The Mother to start this Coven to learn the secret to eternal life. Either Master Andarah or Kylo Grin are the Apprentice to Plageus. Also there is something with Master Andarah only taking her gloves of to cast the Covens spell from the Wookie. Plus we don't see her talking to the counsel in the presence of Sol. Once The Mother was killed, it would have been important for Master Andarah to get the twins to Plageus to complete whatever she learned. So you can say the same for Kylo Grin. You can poke all the whole in this theory all you want. But t makes sense to a degree.

My wild theory: Mother Koril is just a body that houses the consciousness of a Sith, "she" didn't die at the end of Ep 7 with the other witches but escapes, and eventually force transfers into the body of Qimir. This would explain Qimir's comments about how long he's been around, and would also add some history with Sol from their confrontation in Ep 7. Or possibly Mother Koril was just a witch but now is inside Qimir with the same results. She's very Sithy.

I get that Disney needs to sell subscriptions, but I wish these Star Wars shows were "Made for TV Movies" instead. I would hope a good movie is more appealing than an alright series with lots of filler.

I've seen a lot of people complaining that episode 7 was character assassination of the Sol we've come to know. But this older, wiser person was the result of his past. If they had revealed his past to the audience it wouldn't have felt so shocking to see him behaving like he did. Plus we, the audience, would have had the whole season to watch him struggling against some of those old demons: of letting his emotions take over, of needing to save people, of being impulsive. Plus it would mean so much more to us when he learns that Mae lives. I think they sacrificed a much better story for the sake of having a mystery box.

Of all the gripes I have about this show’s rough execution, the one that baffles me the most is why they cast non-identical twins to play young Osha and Mae so you can clearly tell which is which, only to have a single performer when they’re grown.

A video with a cameraman/set producer/ director to talk about differences in visuals between big shows would be very interesting!

Wait what? More interesting than the Nightsisters in Ahsoka? Did we watch the same show?

It’s not that deep bro and you know it. When you try to polish a turd, all you do is make yourself shitty

1:38 - We say it has bad writing because when you hand veteran actors like Carrie-Ann Moss a line like "You must agree that Jedi have the right to test for new padawans.... with your permission" Is it a right? Or does she have to give permission? That's a bad line... and it's repeated in this episode and it hit like nails on a chalkboard. That said. This was one of the best episodes of this series... so there IS good writing, it's just ... why make lame dialog?

“Star Wars scholars”? Good one.

"So the story can happen" 75% of the show can be chalked up to this scentence

The Tremors bit was the most entertaining part of this review.

I do not believe the "Jedi mind trick" is even close to the same thing as what we saw Momma Witch do to Torbin. Obi-wan didn't invade, or possess, the Stormtrooper's mind in Ep. 4....he quickly planted a suggestion. If he had forced said stormtrooper to lift his blaster rifle and blow away his buddy, that would have been a form of possession. Just my opinion, obviously. That woman was in Torbin's head for minutes, not half a second.

So I’m calling it now, Darth Teeth is Palpatine. He sees how to create life from just the force, he has a spindley Plagas in the basement, and he has an affection for masks. Though he can’t wear one himself he gave Vader one. Oh plus his 2 lightsaber fighting technique. Too bad we had to have another gimmick lightsaber, this one however actually seemed very useful

Stat Wars Funeral for a Franchise, is on Film Threat, July 17th 4pm

I just want to thank you guys for not being insufferable Star Wars "fans". Everyone knows the show isn't perfect, and some people only get lost in that opinion. You guys are different. You actually talk about the content, and don't constantly critique every little thing. You guys point out the good qualities of the show and then also present the bad, but in a respectable way. You guys are my favorite Star Wars channel for easter eggs and recaps. Thanks again!

I *love* the idea of Qimir as a dark-side projection of Sol.

I suspect a happy ending next Tuesday where Qimir, Sol, Osha and Mae form the Knights of Ren. And good ole’ Master Yoda makes an appearance.

Sol reminds me of a stalker

Thank you for providing an objective review of this episode. Hey, the show is not perfect but it’s not as catastrophic as what most commentators portray it to be. Most have been so blinded by their rabid hate of some aspects of the series that they are unable to appreciate the several gems dropped on each episode.

Nice having people on this time that actually watched the episodes!

We needed to see inside Endara's mind with all the witches doing their thing to see how Endara killed them all.

Can’t apologize for this show anymore. Gave it a fair shot and was open to it. I have never spent so much time trying to rationalize the story, decisions, characters and find the answer being: it just doesn’t matter. The characters have no depth and nothing pays off at all. The pacing took forever only to reveal what already happened with just a little more detail. There’s no way this season was written to be concluded in the last episode. Andor is the pinnacle of a Star Wars series. At every moment, you felt attached the characters. You know what they want, what they are motivated by. They make rational choices. The story pays off entirely, I’m not filling in the blanks. This show is exhausting to discuss.

The writing is absolutely trash imo Tobin can reverse grip one hand block a possesed kalnacca. The witches die out of no where for no other reason than convenience. “You think I would let my daughter be taken away by a different cult I disagree with on every ideological level? Yep” Your praise of the writing is hard for me to understand. It hasn’t earned such praise from me.

Watch 3 and 7 scene for scene (as if edited together) and several interesting things occur including - Torbin being "summoned" and leaving camp to go get the twins happens as soon as Osha tells Aniseya she wants to be a jedi, not a witch. At that moment, Torbin's debt is being repaid. When Torbin says "This is it", he is referring to getting on his knees and begging Aniseya and this was her granting his wish. This happens right when Koril accuses Sol of using a jedi mind trick on her = witch mind trick on Torbin.

too many flashbacks in a short show

She’s not using The Force nor we are “visualizing” a Jedi mind trick. She is a witch. She’s using dark magic to posses his mind.

the blue hair guy loves the show go figure

your theory makes the most sense of a story that feels completely incomplete with no direction.. yet I feel that if you gave this full star wars connected script to disney, they would throw it away and somehow tell you that that's not how the force works haha

I’m hopeful that they’ll reveal the ‘other Sith’ is a twin of Sol (ideally with a different voice and affect) and that’s why he’s drawn to the twins, cuz he’s a twin himself -

I agree with everything you said. It's a great show with lots of original ideas. But waiting a week to see 30min is really killing the momentum.

Hello ScreenCrush. I’ve been a member for a long time with you guys since you got started. I was born in 1974. I grew up with Star Wars. It’s about entertainment right. I love Star Wars. I’ve loved Star Wars since I’ve been six years old and I’ve watched the first one. Since Disney has bought it yes they have made some mistakes definitely but at the same time it’s entertainment. I have enjoyed the show and what toxic fans have done has literally taken away some of our joy if I don’t like something, I don’t spread my heat. Everybody has different opinions and different points of view, that’s what being a human beings all about anyway I just want to put my two sets in there and I love your content. I always have that’s why I’ve been a member since you started. Anyway, keeping good content out there and I will keep watching.

That’s a great theory about Sol and Qimir being mirrors of each other

Video begins “I love this show. Here’s why it all makes sense and anyone questioning it sucks. Here’s some merchandise mocking those persons” Video continues “this show really doesn’t make sense. Where is the budget going? Let me add more criticism that’s eerily similar to the criticisms of those same people I was mocking earlier” Bro ..

Damn, saying the witing is great? Oh well, another channel I've been a member of for a very long time, but now have to leave.

Finally a fair and logical review of the show. There are many issues and positives that can be discussed without making the conversation hateful Thank you all for not falling into the trap many other reviewers of this show have been

This show deserves the top Golden Raspberry Award!

My guess is it’s structured for the modern age of streaming in order to reward everyone for watching it twice, once in ignorance, once knowing what we learn by the end.