So true,

You mean it wouldn’t even be reported on.

No. Just that we are talked at, but can't comment in return.​@giltee626

Winston will sort our biased government propaganda MSM, love this government, never thought I'd ever say this about any government....

sure you can talk about it. go talk to your friends about it. No one is stopping you

That's not what the policy is. Sorry.

@@detectiverogers5766 Remain sorry, remain ignorant on the subject. Go on, talk before your brain can catch up, il be glad to educate you goofy

Well that’s not for much longer is it. Putting children back into abusive families is wrong

Agree completly.

​@@detectiverogers5766We are foster parents, that's exactly what the policy has been doing. They are putting culture before physical safety and the best interest of thd children. We know heaps of children who have been left at dangerous neglectful homes all because of "culture". Who says they are even getting their culture needs meet at home anyway.

Show, tell where that is happening with your evidence!!

There was race based pakeha policy for over a hundred years, get a brain and think

@@tomrobinson8593 How about Medical - Preferred treatment you see it advertised on T.V all the time under the Labour / Greens Government , Education - no or reduced fees, Workforce - pressure to employ Maori instead of others, even if the Maori candidate isn't as qualified for the Job, especially if this is a Government contract. This fantasy that Maori own the Water, meaning if 3 Waters goes ahead, they get the majority say in how Water is used as a resource That Cowboy hat wearing Clown is just trying to turn New Zealand into a Zimbabwe type situation. He gives me Robert Mugabe vibes

Maori have suffered under colonial rule for the last 164 years, that's why. Toitu te Tiriti. Honour the Treaty. That is all.

Exactly why has that been the case for the last 160 years?

All people first.

Agree

get rid of the Waitangi Tribunal, it has served it's purpose, at great cost to us all, and it can be abolished as it's job is done

thats not equality if the white people have undeniably ripped off Maori for decades after decades. Black Lives Matter, not all lives and if you cant get that then you are racist

Dumb

@@J.Smith-rc6wh Not just yet. They have one last settlement with Nga Puhi - then the end.

They don’t need the tribunal to settle that. The tribe that it concerns have dragged their claim on for years. Perhaps they don’t want to settle because when they do it’ll be the end of the waitangi tribunal

You want to hold a people hostage in a political entity which they don't believe in and don't feel kinship to. What's so great about that? The Brits were just as racially motivated as the Germans in WW2 as well that's your modern reinterpretation of it. Brits at the time were deeply ethnically motivated and hated Germans.

Don't use the Māori battalion as an example. They went in first, some with no weapons and died an big, disproportionate numbers. Even then race was used against them. I don't think you have much knowledge at all of the Māori culture. amongst most of the people in this comments section. Shocking.....

Spot on. They treat vulnerable children as tokens in a race war, not as individuals with specific needs.

@@Camwin It was based on class. The poorest and most uneducated were sent to the frontline first regardless of race throughout all countries.

@@unclejoe7958 that's right, exactly how they were looked at, poor and uneducated according to the crown. You said it yourself.

I call them 'The teaspoon Maori'. They have a teaspoon of Maori DNA and are often the most rabid racists.

Really? Is that the cut off point? Is this set down in law?

Sounds like BS to me, please provide evidence for your claim

Maybe in the 70s mate. They got rid of it because it's a racist policy believe it or not.....

@@DrBojangles007 what's up Boomer!?

Absolutely true. If te parte Maori take control they will completely destroy NZ in every which way.

Because our precious NZ media don't believe anyone who calls out any issues with Maori Culture, Trans in Women's Spaces or Against the Environment or Covid don't have the rights to an opinion

If you can learn the names of most of all your close loved ones, workmates, neighbours, favourite bands, actors, politicians, etc, you can bloody well learn Maori place names as well. Or are you not smart enough to do so?

@@dragon_league so why rename places. Example, Dunedin is Dunedin, Patea is Patea. You'd think there'd at least be a Suburb called Otepoti, if in fact it ever existed, in Dunedin. These are places that never existed as towns Patea was I'm sure a centre for the local tribe. The renaming of Mt Egmont to Taranaki is different, it was always there, and I'll assume that pre European, the locals did infact call it Taranaki maunga (noun) mountain, mount, peak.). That makes Mount Maunganui a weird name, Mount Mount Nui. Why isn't it just called Mt Nui? Why are Māori then, not getting rid of the European or colonial names? This quantum blood argue should then be to apply the same to names. I don't see that happening, and if so, why not?

Reverse racism means unfair advantage, and state sanctioned revenge upon vulnerable members of the majority by the "disadvantage" minority... Look at the indigenous crimes against white people in Australia. The government deliberately suppresses such data. But of course the majority of crimes are perpetrated by indigenous people against other indigenous people.

He's not conservative either...

For dividing our country ❤

@@sonnyalbert842 "the importance of a loving safe environment for a child under state care ranks higher than cultural requirements" - and you disagree with this how exactly?

You realise that the Maori Roll was created just a few years after government was established?

These basic comments make me laugh. It's like slogan after slogan with no depth whatsoever

Get a brain and think for yourself or shall I call you Donald

@@Camwin agree 💯 I would add, bogan after bogan lol

who's rules though, if you delve deeper, you will find that the current rules or law is based primarily on the (Westminster System). Obviously the law laid out within it, are prehistoric and draconian and therefore, I would love for that document be the target of change. To have it stripped down and adjusted to suite everyone in current times. Then maybe the treaty document can have changes to it as well.

Please learn about the Treaty of Waitangi before you open your waha.

@@dragon_league that's a big assumption. You imply that person knows nothing about the treaty. It's the kind of arrogant comments from people like yourself, we come to expect.

The treaty of Waitangi was a treaty between the CROWN and MAORI... not everyother mouth that migrated to aotearoa .. Seymour can eat a fat dick

that's an unfortunate, but important distinction. there's a quite large "culture" of that that's cropped up, and that sorry excuse for a culture gets confused with the actually great culture of "ancient" Maori (I know ancient isn't quite the right word but I can't think of something better right now) civilisation. We do definitely need to stop excusing things like what's been going on in a concerning amount of Maori households though - they're disproportionately represented in crime/domestic abuse/neglect, and we really do need to fix that. Harming race relations definitely isn't the fix though Sorry if I was a bit rambly. I kinda just started typing as I thought.

@@professormutant3252 agree with your comments. But true change must start from within, the people who identify themselves with the Maori culture.

Blame individuals not race I saw a European in Christchurch not long ago that killed her kids on purpose, let's not forget the Asian kids found in a suitcase, u can't blame a whole race for something an individual has done 😉

+Murder

@@peterstowers6219 totally agree. However we have lived in a predominantly Maori district, I was employed in education, had our children going to school there. Witnessed the majority of dis-functional family environment not being European or Asian.

You’re lacking on important point…You do know that State sanctioned apartheid (Afrikaans = apartness) does not extend in Australia..it was only a political and social system in South Africa..educating oneself does help.

Survival first - culture can be learnt in time.

@@valeriehughes1008 My mother came to NZ from Scotland after the war and as my siblings and I grew up we did many thing "Scottish" as a family. I never felt forced and enjoyed alot of it. Now that I'm MUCH older I haven't retained much of that tradition, it's just there, whether conscious or unconscious. I would rather that we all enjoyed the same rights, no exceptions. Only have to be a citizen.

@@CatsandJP What a dribble mouth you are, don't ever talk about being educated again you simple cocco clock. What a completely useless mouth piece you are, what a fool lol

​@@CatsandJPThe word "apartheid" now has a generic meaning in the common vernacular. It now means racial separatism. It is like the word "taboo" - It once only applied to Polynesian customs, but now has a generic mean of "unacceptable". You might need to educate yourself about the assimilation of loan words in the English language. English has more loan words than any other language.

For what talking shit

David Seymour just enjoys the sound of his own voice!! Can't stand the Rat!!

Except that he has nought in to the Covid vaccine idiocy.

Yeh like I'm guilty of thinking he was goofy but he's exemplary in Politics and explaining their wisdom. NZ was a great Country once until the Waitangi Tribunal debacle that worked to spread racist false narratives the caused a long term social engineering campaign to make Pakeha feel guilty and Maori feel victimised. It's th old oppressed vs oppressor mentality. It's Maori oppressing our heritage. Has to stop its getting nasty the Govt needs to require some resignations and disbanding of maori racists in all party's.

We'll get you two a room shall we?

Anyone without a vested interest, and an IQ over 85 knows exactly what is going on.

We ain't aussie

@@WiremuEdwards I’m intrigued,Wiremu. How does your statement relate to my comment?

Australia are worse hahaha. You haven't even got anything remotely close to what NZ has for their indigenous people. Unless what you are learning is to actually have better relations wiht your first nations people.

@@Camwin I think you’ll find,when it comes to left wing ideologues all consumed by identity politics,Australia is on par.

Mates he's basically despised besides some cretins who suck his dong, seemingly such as yourself.

perversely I am this lot might last 18 months together before the govt implodes

all three ✅✅✅

Yep. The new coalition will hopefully sort all this racist crap that favours a minority under 10% as opposed to the greater majority of 90% plus. Equal rights opportunities and respect for all of our 160 cultures residing in NZ please.

😂😂😂 I didn't voted

He was talking to the man in the mirror.

Giltee26. I couldn't put it better. Agree tots.

Not all of them signed it There were alot of chief didn't signed it

The words "self determination" do not appear in the English or Maori version of the Treaty of Waitangi. Maori along with other New Zealand citizens got property rights in the Treaty, which is different from self determination.

What a stupid comment where it says the English version is truth. You had an English person translate it, how do you know there wasn't a hidden agenda? There were translation issues as words such sovereignty and governship didn't have exact translations for those which then change the context drastically. Please educate yourself

Also where is your evidence that Maori understood what was ACTUALLY written? Are you able to understand Maori language?

Apartheid ending ruined South Africa. Everyone knows this except for you.

The term “apartheid”, an Afrikaans word, derived from the French term “mettre à part”, literally translated to “separating, setting apart.” Apartheid is a policy that is founded on the idea of separating people based on racial or ethnic criteria. You are being dishonest with your statement by comparing our situation in NZ to the South African Apartheid state of yesteryears. I wonder if you have stepped onto a Marae and even spoken to Maori regarding their views of the mistreatment of their people and culture over the last 164 years since the signing of the Treaty. Stand up, if you have a backbone, and get to know them before you spew your vitriol opinions about them.

@St_George_Wellington_R_League 🤣🤣🤣🤣 your lack of education is transparent, get your probation officer to show you a dictionary , learn to read, look up Apartheid, you friken plonker...🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣 then tell me what tepati hate racist living in abundance of colonial oppression is, hypocrite...

@St_George_Wellington_R_League while you're at it look up pakeha, .....this is going to freak you out...yup....you are one 😱

@62cripple If things were fair and square in Aotearoa, we wouldn't be here having this convo. You know, heart of hearts, there is injustice here in Aotearoa. And you have the nerve to tell others to get on with it. Whatever Trevor.

If Te Pati Maori called for Mao's landlord reform I'd vote for them in a heartbeat!

They put poo in urbanmonkey

Go tell Seymour exactly that

It's a consideration that should be taken into account so that the child has a connection to their Iwi, hapu and wider whanau.

You obviously have no idea the history of Te Tiriti or the welfare system.

There is already cases where that has been proven right. Where the foster parents have emersed the child in Maori culture.

$$$$$$

When your grandchildren are 7/8ths indian or chinese you'll have the total opposite opinion

@@charleswalker2484 what makes you think that. Unless we get a handout for being pakeha

@@cyrillawless I just want you to envision the future where your people are in that situation and consider how you'd like it to be handled. Do you want to be culturally erased?

@@charleswalker2484but if your less than an 1/8th, Maori culture is not your culture.

So no disability allowance, for example? Sounds like a scummy view to me.

I was referring to race, not disability. No one is going to be denied disability allowance because of their race.

@@Factoverfiction1-mk3rf Oh so it isn't that simple then? Hmm weird. Just going to copy paste what I said here. - Mate, there's a systemic link between the class (ie in this case the poor and impoverished) and Maori. To put it bluntly, most don't come from wealth or have it in their family's due to multiple factors. Gambling, drug use, imprisonment, low paying jobs and poor education are just a few things that disproportionally affect people of Maori descent. Some families were literally slaves only a few generations back and came from absolutely nothing. This isn't even taking into account the environment these conditions can create and how it affects developing young kids. Literally, do any effort of looking into this, and maybe have some human empathy about people who have been generationally bashed. This is not to diminish anyone else who is struggling. This is not to deny there are rich Maori, or poor Europeans. Policies there to help assist those in caught within these conditions are not there to screw over anybody. The reason I brought up the disability thing, essentially many Maori have an inherit societal handicap, explained by the factors mentioned above (and then some).

@@detectiverogers5766 We understand, your view is Maori are disabled and should be treated as such, many tax-paying Maori that have never met iwi might have a few words for you tho lol

Come on that want said. It’s time the New Zealand made a law that all legislation was to be colourblind.

? The hell even is this implying?

Is this even a coherent conversation? My bros need to ease up on the p.

@@detectiverogers5766 my closest guess to this absolute mess of a comment is "Politicians were once warriors, modern ones could learn something from history" or some shit like that because I have absolutely no clue lmfao

I was married into a maori family and once were warriors was a good fit. I saw Emotional baiting, physical violence, alcohol abuse. Later I found out there was incest from the father and the brother.

@@giltee626 ***ohhhhhh*** he's referring to that movie. that makes sense.

bad

I agree. I live in NZ too & starting to wonder if I want to anymore. It breaks my heart because I love this country so much.

@@MandySam13 I was born in this country, schooled in this country have had business in this country and now can't wait to leave this country, i will be selling my land to the Chinese.

Oh he's sitting on a lot of money right now. We can agree there lmao

@@detectiverogers5766like the Māori party ripping off nz taxes to pay their wages to make up crap and deviding nz. Disgusting racists

Yep , Atlas money and backing ... you know, the same Atlas the fed the fear that undermined the aussie Voice vote !!

Not as much as member of the Liebour party. Adern in 3 years went from under 1 million in assets to over 24 million

David is absolutely right. I'd back him every time. Quite obviously the NZ public totally back the new coalition and we all know why. Sick of the last govt prioritising by race, spending money with no accountability, achieving nothing but turning us into a poor third world country and racking up debt for the tax payer of unheard inexcusable amounts. Increased poverty, increased crime, increased homelessness and broken promises, increased social issues. Yep they did a bloody good job of screwing us all over.

Lower than bottom 😅

What document is in your opinion then?

@@detectiverogers5766 NZ had a declaration of independence before the Treaty.

@@paulmarden3301 That's not a self-evident statement... There were documents before it too, I think there were even some drafts very similar to the treaty. The Declaration asserted Māori independence and sovereignty, but it lacked widespread recognition and support, and its authority was not internationally recognized. In contrast, the Treaty of Waitangi was a formal agreement between Māori chiefs and the British Crown, establishing British sovereignty over New Zealand while also recognizing certain rights and protections for Māori.

We have a constitution. The tee was an agreement to stop the warring between maori tribes. It’s very simple and has outlived its usefulness in a democratic world.

There is no single founding document for New Zealand. Queen Victoria’s 1840 Royal Charter enacted the Colony of New Zealand, established a legislative council, an executive council and the courts, and granted certain powers and authority to the Governor.

What are you talking about you muppet

Rubbish

No it’s just putting the child’s needs first instead of culture that’s what the purpose of the agency is, New Zealand is so intermingled all Māori have European blood also. There might need to be a conversation had with some of these people looking in the mirror at themselves.

Don't silence people. Be glad they're even interested in this esoteric topic.

@@DossNZ Who is silencing people?

@socialite1283 It's the result of people trying to pronounce, then getting picked up on it. You know what they're communicating, I know too. That's what language is all about. Be happy that so many people are interested in a very small minority at the bottom of the world.

@@DossNZ muddee

He's not speaking for all Kiwi's. Most Kiwi's thinks he's an idiot. Classic tail wagging the dog politics. How many people voted for him again?

No. You seem unhinged and not able to discuss things rationally. Your spelling is a give away. Wish you all the best. Goodbye.

It's our English Treaty that protects us from your shit!

Meds status: untaken

righttttttt... ok BOT

Literally, it is... you're not clever or unique with your take. Try explaining yourself beyond shite quotes you got from youtube shorts. The declaration was not widely recognized or had little to no support. There were even some potential contending documents prior. You're supporting a minority opinion from a few hundred years ago. Well done.

@@detectiverogers5766you comment doesn’t make sense?

@@lifeliver9000 Have you tried reading it?

@@lifeliver9000 Here it is, rewritten more simply for you. - The Declaration of Independence you're championing wasn't exactly the big hit you might think it was. It didn't get much traction, lacked broad support. So, when you're backing it up, you're essentially championing an underdog that didn't quite make it to the top. Nice try, but it's like supporting a B-side track from centuries ago. - Did you understand that?

Yes. 1. Maori gave up sovereignty to the crown in return for, 2. Right of ownership of their own land and possessions and 3 in return they’d be given the rights of British citizens. Maori chiefs at the time understood its meaning and when they ran out of singing room on the English version signed to translation

nothing about these changes is to do with removal of race and heritage. It is about ensuring ALL children are safe and can thrive and that true democracy and equal opportunity of all citizens prevails. This idea that 180 years later there are two separate classes of citizens is dangerous and looking forward a further 100 years is just madness.

Maori's used to practice cannibalism is this the heritage you want? When you look at cultures from a retarded view point you only get a retarded view.

@@FlyingKiwi1958 "This idea that 180 years later there are two separate classes of citizens is dangerous and looking forward a further 100 years is just madness." Mate, there's a systemic link between the class (ie in this case the poor and impoverished) and Maori. To put it bluntly, most don't come from wealth or have it in their family's due to multiple factors. Gambling, drug use, imprisonment, low paying jobs and poor education are just a few things that disproportionally affect people of Maori descent. Some families were literally slaves only a few generations back and came from absolutely nothing. This isn't even taking into account the environment these conditions can create and how it affects developing young kids. Literally, do any effort of looking into this, and maybe have some human empathy about people who have been generationally bashed. This is not to diminish anyone else who is struggling. This is not to deny there are rich Maori, or poor Europeans. Policies there to help assist those in caught within these conditions are not there to screw over anybody. We literally have a culture here which is unique to the reset of the world, and you just want to whitewash and say 'nah dude, trust me we're all just kiwi or whatever, nobody of different cultures here' because you have little to no association with anyone who actually is a part of that (I don't mean you don't know anyone who's ethnically Maori, I mean people who actually practice the culture.) Sounds to me like what you really want in 100 years is everyone to be in a black tanktop around the bbq drinking a tui and laughing about the latest stupid tiktok meme.

Remember most Maori lineage is less than 50% however it’s their right to choose how maori they want to be. However the bigger majority of maori I grew up with didn’t give a jot about culture. That’s been a more recent thing where it’s been rammed down everyone’s throats to appease a few.

@@detectiverogers5766There’s a systemic link between crappy life choices and bad parenting. Victim card has run out. Children’s safety comes first. Children need to be placed with safe and loving people no matter what their colour. End of story.

But you're not telling truth, you don't understand the Treaty you're dangerous

Thank you England for giving us rugby league.

@cascade3769 thank you England for giving us games we enjoy and can actually play it better than you could have ever imagined 😉

Truth hurts does it 😂

Maori arent indigenous. Ask Winston. They are colonisers like the rest of us.

Moriori were here first. What happened to them? Elite tribal radical maori and te parte maori want tell the truth about that.

​@@MaryAda-wj3dyWinston is the biggest troll of them all.

The united nations is a hypocrite joke

Everyone is indigenous to somewhere so that should include everyone otherwise it's racist

Bro Maori are going to be the scapegoat of the government for why the economy is failing. Be prepared to argue with facts and logic because you're not going to get through to pakeha any other way.

​@@charleswalker2484You are Pakeha too, you absolute ass clown!

We're all Pakeha here

@@StGammon77 Including the "Maori."