"mutilating PC parts to work in old macs" You're out of line, but you're right.

Can someone please give him an award for "Advanced Hand Gestures" ? 😂😂😂 Next to Adrian, 8Bit-Guy and Retro Recipes he is one of the best retro KZfaqrs !!

Oh my god you had obstacles at almost every turn 😆 But yeah that performance improvement is MASSIVE. That's a machine you could legitimately play Minecraft (and probably a bunch of other games like Doom 3) perfectly. Also THANK YOU for not making any permanent changes to that very nice 7800GS haha

Blurring out the thermal paste made me laugh.

Using the tape to cover the pins is a bit risky, it's less risky than cutting the pins, but the tape may come off, and stay inside the agp slot, or you might accidentally cut something other than the tape at the time of trimming. So I recommend using nail enamel, a simple drop. If something goes wrong, you apply acetone, and try again. If you want to undo the mod, you pass acetone, and rewrite the firmware.

Geekbench does not test graphics at all. Only CPU and RAM.

I know this is kinda irrelevant to the video but that SGI Indy you have is such a cool system. I’d love to have _anything_ SGI someday for my own collection

This powermac g4 can make some older windows laptops jealous with the fps in minecraft XD

I get as excited for these Saturday vids the way I used to bail out of bed to run watch Mr.Wizard as a kid

For something that could edit 1080p video back in the day with relative ease, it's ironic marveling at them playing KZfaq at low resolutions today.

Wow, you've got an Indy! That's really cool.

That rom flashing took him under a minute in the video but we all all know how frustrating the actual process was.... respect!

48 C isn't that hot the real question is how hot does it get under load.

Love this. you've gone from snapping ram clips off an SE/30 and making me cringe to building absolutely immaculate computers and making me mad with envy in a very short time! amazing

Fascinating! I got a Mirror G4 recently and in that same lot I got a 7800GS AGP so this sure makes me want to try this very process (maybe without all the unplanned detours haha). Great video!

Have to admit, I can absolutely dig this kind of modding, especially to keep such a beast running. Makes me wonder what the fastest possible AGP card that could be modded to work on a Macintosh would be. I'm inclined to say a 7950GT, but those are unicorns on the market as it is. Maybe a Radeon 4670? Hard not to wonder at this point. Videos like this are encouraging and making me want to get on my own projects, too.

Great video - and what a beast! Would love to see some more games running on this card. Oh, and that ATX adapter cable definitely has an air of "cursed Mac" about it, so I think it's very fitting. Unrelated, but it was fun to spot the little unintended cameo from myself in the bottom left at 10:52 😁

It's nice about how the power connecter on the flexATX PSU fit in the Power Mac's case, but it does NOT look stock because the power connector is upside down compared to the original PSU's :)

Ehm. That was an SGI Indy. I need to search the channel for videos after this video, or we need an SGI video in the future :)

I had the exact same case on my Windows XP hand-me-down! Love seeing it here

I have had 2 different 7800 GS cards for my 1.42GHz MDD. Mines got a copper heatsink, as the first version I flashed had aluminum and had heat issues. The copper BFG 7800GS worked great!

Amazing. Brings back memories of upgrading my PowerMac G4 tower and Cube ~15+ years ago. Only now much harder! I was temped to do one now, but your video convinced me otherwise. Never the less fun to see, keep it up, will watch for your Cube Dual G4 upgrade!

I had a MDD dual 1.42ghz G4 with a 7800GS, played hours of Homeworld 2 maxed at 1080p on it. It was such a great machine. Amazed you managed to get the cpu cool with the 1.2ghz cooler, I don't know if even the copper tower cooler of the 1.42 could have done it [let alone fit] but heat was a well known issue for any mac running a top end G4 upgrade from Sonnet or Powerlogix. [G3's had it easier; The fastest 1.1ghz 750GX G3 upgrade actually used less power than the stock G3's running half the speed, such was the advancement of IBM process nodes over comparable Motorola/Freescale nodes at the time]

Hey Action Retro, I know this might sound like blasphemy to you, but would you ever consider making a new channel called "Action Modern" for more modern Macs? I'd love to see you upgrade more modern Macs (like a 2009 iMac, 2012 Mac Mini and so on) to the max :)

Whenever i watch these videos its like "ok, we are going to install x component.. What are going to need is a screw driver, a pc with dos installed.. _and a interstellar quantum superposition satellite communication device" Just like IRL things never go to plan lol

Amazing video, I´ll try to get my hands on one vintage mac one of these days due to your hacking enthusiasm. Good job!

Gotta love working with old tech. "Hmm, this thing doesn't work. (some time later) Ok, fixed! Let's try...oh, something else broke. Let's fix it. (some time later) Ok, so now let's...OH FOR F....!" 🤣

I was struck. You're showing off KZfaq on that computer with all those upgrades and the joy of it being watchable 480p@20ish, while I'm watching it on my power sipping handheld smartphone at 1080p@60. It's really ridiculous how in my lifetime computers have already come so far.

This hand is so expressive, he could be an actor.

Great videos! It’s good these machines are still in use.

The evga 7800gs was the first gpu. That I bought when I built my first gaming PC. I got it open box for $100 off of sticker price. Great card at the time. Everyone was going pcie for gpus.

The fact that that the custom firmware was already made and tested by someone else and all you had to do was a find a compatible card, made the upgrade suspense rather anti-climatic but gaming difference was clearly visible. A worthwhile upgrade.

that dell system you used to flash the nvidia card may have an option in the bios to disable the onboard video when graphics card is detected in the slot.

Nice! I just emailed the seller on eBay about an ATX adapter for B/W G3s and Quicksilver G4s. G4 power supply is dead and the G3 is starting to smell a bit... odd.

_Very_ cool, man! This is quite similar to my own maxed out MDD! It too sports a 7800GS, but is a little weaker on the CPU side. It's rocking the original dual 1.25GHz 7455 overclocked to 1.5GHz. It's no 7448 with 1MB of super quick on-die cache, but it _does_ have a whopping 4MB (total) of kinda-slow L3. :P

Actually, the best GPU for that Mac is the 7800 GS 512MB from Gainward, which also had a better chip with more pipes unlocked.

Very good GPU! Mac and Windows 98 compatible! How can you go wrong?

Dream computer. I heard that the AGP Radeon HD 4000 series cards might work in the MDD in Linux :).

My dual Pentium3 Tualatin 1.4 workstation from 2001 (for which I paid almost $10,000 in today's money back then) after the upgrades over the years, now plays KZfaq full screen, hahaha. Radeon AGP HDMI, Sata2 PCI SSD, maxed out 4GB of RAM, triple boot XP/7/Lubuntu

This is relevant to my interests. One day I went to the local computer shop, intending to buy a low-end Mac laptop, something (relatively) cheap. Still not sure what happened, as I walked out with a MDD, the 23" monitor, and the clear bubble speakers. It was right after Apple slashed the price on both as the G5 was about to be released. Even so, it still cost $500 million, lol, and when something is that pricey, Imma need a lot more than twenty years' use from it!

Can you boot into Mac OS 9 with the new card? Love the channel.. because of your channel I now own a MDD! oh the nostalgia 🤣

The relief and joy in your voice when it works! Can totally relate 😅

Really nice video. Welcome to 2009 .. I did this but with the extra fiddling around to get a 7950 working. It comes up as a 7800, but the RAM and GPU clocks are >100mhz faster than a 7800 is. So it's free. Did it with dual 1.8ghz 7888b's running with liquid cooling @2.24ghz. Was my main machine for a few years. Really nice to see another similar system.

48C doesn't seem very hot compared to any of the Intel machines I've used. Do 3D graphics still work in OS 9 with this card?

5:07 A SGI Indy! I am hunting for one for years, but if I find one for sale it is very expensive or if it is cheap, it is already sold to someone.

Next year we need to have an April fools stunt where you change your channel name to Druaga3, and a bunch of other KZfaqrs will do the same but with different numbers.

Hi! . I don't own any Apple equipment, but I really enjoy your efforts to revitalize these nice retro machines.

So I spent 300 dollars upgrading my graphics card so I could watch KZfaq in 360p, totally worth it!

back in the day, we did a small business in buying cheap bulk PC agp and even some pci cards, and flashing them to work in mac's, a local mac shop sold so many for us, at one point we genuinely couldnt get enough cards....dude was selling them to other shops who then marked them up even more.. at the time, some of the card couldnt actually be bought in the 'mac' version because nobody had stock, so few were made, mostly people wanted radeon cards back then, and, my gods, the number of radeon LE and other similar cards i flashed... i got so i could do the commands without thought, muscle memory... but hey, more the doubling our money, and the shop then marking them up and dealing with support issues, mostly installing them. anyway, it was a fun time, more then a few mac owners who came directly to us, were very greatful, one guy owned a business with 36 macs(regretted going mac mostly due to support issues), and, bought all 48 cards we had ready that day, "if any fail, i can just swap them" talk about a windfall....he paid us what the shop quoted him on price, then realized he knew who had to be doing the work and figured he might be able to get them direct... shop owner was not upset... infact... that shop had gotten alot of business from the fellow due to the macs having commonly known issues, often it would take apple months to provide replacement parts... so bad the dude started getting boards from failed units and having them repaired when possible, so he had a stock of parts to use and cycle in/out as apple decided to provide parts... (they are very inconsistent with that stuff im told, to this day...that same shops still around...the genius bar use to call them and ask questions..LOL...) anyway, this kinda stuff is always fun. i also like unlocking pipes or features, flashing/modding cards into quadro/firegl or the other direction, stuff like that can be alot of fun... if there is a quadro version of the 7800gs with 2x the ram, you may want to try and do a bios mod on it... i mean... its likely to be faster after mod, and the 7800 512mb cards did handle stuff better then the 256mb versions, knew a few people who had them....who regret selling them when they did... those models are worth more now in good shape then what they got for them...LOL...

Three increasingly odd coincidences in this video: 1) similar MDD upgrade project as mine, down to the same PSU choice (though I'm sticking with the geforce 4ti GPU for OS 9 games along with some voodoo 2s) 2) the exact same no-name low profile micro atx case PC that I use for similar projects 3) transit map mousepad for the MDD (though mine is for SEPTA Regional Rail, a public transit system in Philadelphia). Thank you for the uncomfortably familiar content!

Love these videos. Going to have to start a drinking game for every time something goes monumentally wrong. That said, this video might have put me in the hospital.

It would be awesome if you can get the power Mac G5 With the best graphics card available for it even doing some hacks to make it more powerful

It is pretty easy to pop the pins out of power connectors and put them in another spot. That is how I did it. No need for more wiring clutter.

I still have an old 6400GS (or some other 6xxx GS) lying in my drawer. Unfortunately, it had a case of "capacitor-gate." Several caps a long time ago decided to expose their innards on it. I still have an old ES1869 ISA sound card (was in my first Windows 95 beige box), an ISA 56k Fax modem (not any of that winmodem rubbish!), an ATI Radeon 9200 AGP card, a Soundblaster Live 5.1 PCI card, an SB Audigy 2 PCI card. And several TV tuner cards. Both sound cards still work,, and so do the tv tuners.. :)

Oh man I love GPUJune, found new cool underrated KZfaqrs also at 7:12 is that capacitor leaning harder than the leaning tower? 8:38 also the smoothest molex plug ever bruh

I flashed a ATI Radeon 7500 64mb for my Sawtooth back in the day. It was a nice upgrade from the Rage 128 Pro.

As a member of London Underground staff I approve of the mouse mat sir!

Dude you have a SGI Indy on your shelf! When are you gonna do something with that?

Those machines use PowerPC processors with miniature Phase Change Cooling units that help the processors run cool.

have a look at the bios settings, it'll probably just automatically change it to use the discreet graphics.

The limiting factor on the pci bus is going to be what makes or breaks that controller card. It depends... Exited to see your results

I'd be very interested in graphics cards for 68k Macs that would give them HDMI out. is that a thing yet, if so where do I find them? cheers :) I have a LC 630 with a PDS slot that would be nice to fire up with a more modern video connection :)

I might blur out future thermal compound applications in my future videos.

Video cards have the ability to hardware accelerate video formats such as VP9, H264, AVC, etc. To unload the processor on the G4 you need to install such video card with hardware video acceleration for watching videos on KZfaq and other sites. To find out whether it supports hardware accelerated video card or not, there is a program DXVA Checker.

The made for PC only GPU products of those days were always so much a better offering than anything for the Mac offered even though we were using PCI and AGP as well.

Looking forward to that Sil3112 hacked into classic!

This channel's preference for hand gestures over facial expressions is oddly pleasant.

Well is there a Mac BIOS for a Ati HD3850 or HD4670? These should be the fastest AGP cards out there. I looked up some benchmarks and they claim the HD3850 should be 50% faster than the 7900 GS.

I've watched KZfaq with an iMac G3 Indigo back in 2009 - as far as I remember it was sluggish but somewhat usable.

what a real test for a Mac? try running X-plane 8 or 9 on the G4 and 10 and 11 on Intel macs

Still don’t understand why you didn’t use a fire gl x3/ x800xt. So easy to flash (no need for a PC) and just as fast. Also, 48 degrees is really cold for anything under load, wouldn’t worry about it at all

Would love to see the gainward bliss 512mb AGP card given a go, there were some documentation on trying to get it working a few years back

"this is perfectly watchable" 360p and it's dropping frames like crazy...

The G5 still looks the best with the aluminum case. The late 90s/early 2000s Apple love for plastic really didn't age well I own a 2013 trash can Mac Pro which is not meant to upgraded. I was able to get a really nice, but also expensive, third party solution to add more than one SSD. Apple being Apple of course changed the standard M.1 socket to proprietary connector in order to squeeze the consumer. Amfeltech out of Canada developed their AngelBoard which allows for the use of the OEM SSD as well as easy add on of standard NVme SSDs with a standard M.1 connector. It also has a good built in heat sink which is really important given the tight dimensions of the 6.1 MacPro Oh, I also had to replace the also proprietary D300 GPU which failed (a known issue) with a used D500 model. Using Kryptonite, I have also been able to connect an eGPU via the thunderbolt 2 connector which usually isn't allowed. It's not a perfect solution since it only allows for 20gps vs the 40 for TB 3, but it's still good Sadly, Apple won't provide MacOS 13 support for this Mac. I'm hoping that there will soon be a stable workaround

All that work to get Minecraft performance similar to my 2012 13” MacBook Pro with just integrated graphics. Goes to show how far we’ve come.

Blow up the mac?"holly music stops"

Now make a Super PowerMac G5 Quad, I hear they can handle 16gb of ram, maybe something like a GTX280 might be achievable, and overclocked, with a decent watercooler.

Funny, last week i asked for help with my defect power supply 🤪 and now you hav a tutorial

I have the same Mac except it is a G4 and has a red gpu and a duel core on a literal circuit board. Do you know anything abt that

If you are CPU bottlenecked, it would be better to disable Advanced OpenGL in Optifine's settings. That would put more load on the GPU and free up more of the CPU.

Later: The Ultimate Mac Pro 2006

It would also be great to replace the High Air flow fans in my 933mhz Digital audio, I hear air more than anything, would like to also extend the Digital audio speakers from my iMac G4 to use with it too :)

THIS THIS was my idea exactly which is why I got the vid recommended I assume

Excellent video, well done. Would it be possible to expand your testing to other games like Doom 3, Quake 4 or Halo Combat Evolved? Especially the first two where released towards the end of the PowerPC area and really struggled even on a G5 Quad with a Quadro 4500 GPU. Would be interesting to see how the 7800 will perform. Thanks for your consideration.

Careful with this card, you might need to recap it, I had one and the caps are from the time when bad caps were everywhere.

Some day you're going to have to spill on the stories behind every one of your tattoos. 😊

5:07 Nice indy it might not be a indigo but it is still cool

I don't know about you, but i welcome our English gesturing hand overlords.. I wonder when Linus Tech tips' hand is going to make its debut

On KZfaq, you should use refined-h264ify to force avc/h264 codec since I would guess your CPU is rendering everything. It just uses more internet data. I would assume the Nvidia card would only be able to render avc/h264 anyways. Don't you need drivers for this? Seeing how Minecraft ran, I don't think so. You may get better results in the browser by forcing HW acceleration by disabling the blacklist.

Auto disabling the native graphics card when someone throws in a graphics upgrade was a god send for the majority of end-users.

I think that graphics card is the one I was using when I first started playing Minecraft. Sadly I gave it to my (now ex) girlfriend's sibling and recently had to buy another for my Pentium 4 machine. It doesn't work though and I think two of the caps are bad :(

I had a Sonnetech upgrade G4 dual that came with a fan, which meant the ridiculously large heatsink could be left out. A bit more room !

Awesome video as always! :D How well does the graphics card work with OS 9?

That new power supply is a game changer, although I'd hate to lose ADC support. Some Noctua fans could have it running super quiet and cool.

I'm surprised you commented on how quiet the system is. When I had a flashed 7800gs (I think it was BFG brand) in my MDD back in the day, it was absurdly loud. WEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Hey, interesting thing in this video at time index around 5:00... you have an SGI Indy in that closet of yours... where are the videos on it? :) Will there be any? They have a special place in my heart, the old SGI machines, and I would love to see you put out some videos with them! ^_^

This is so cool. Great upgrade!

With all these computer months, I wonder what will be next? Amiga August?

so, I did some digging, an equivilent system from today would be an amd athlon 3000g, but with 1 of the cpu cores disabled, and 4gb in single channel ram at 1866mhz (you cant go below 4gb on ddr4)

By the way, there are HD video cards from the Radeon series with an AGP interface. Pravda them mostly produced for PC computers But I think you can flash for MAC.