Legendary comedian CLASHES with Doctor wife over ADHD legitimacy

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Legendary comedian CLASHES with Doctor wife over ADHD legitimacy - Paul Whitehouse Dr Mine Conkbayir

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This week, Alex sits down with Dr Mine Conkbayir and legendary comedian Paul Whitehouse.
Dr Mine has been diagnosed with ADHD, she thinks her husband has ADHD, but is Paul convinced? Tune in to find out!
Dr. Mine is an award-winning author, award-winning training provider and Early Years consultant.
** Correction to episode: Dr. Mine is NOT a neuroscientist. This was an error made by the ADHD Chatter team **
Dr Mine and Paul have something very exciting coming soon. Watch this space!
Topics:
00:00 Trailer
01:50 Is ADHD a product of nature or nurture?
11:13 Is Paul 'The Devil's Advocate'?
12:22 ADHD in comedy
15:10 Do you think Paul has ADHD?
23:25 RSD in your marriage
30:13 Is ADHD the wrong name?
33:55 How do you (Dr. Mine) deal with emotional dysregulation
34:29 The positives of ADHD
40:59 Friendships
42:47 Paul, where does your creativity come from?
51:24 ADHD item
52:17 Is a strong sense of justice an ADHD trait?
54:08 Washing machine of woes
59:59 How to cater to ADHD in schools
01:03:22 Your most impulsive thing
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@bringitbex 2 ай бұрын

Internal hyperactivity has been me my whole life , 20,000 tabs going off in my brain at all times and buzzing with anxiety.

@ritcha02 25 күн бұрын

I shut myself out of the house this morning,had to climb in a window and broke the windowsill off in the process. I’m 47.

@stampandscrap7494 5 күн бұрын

I managed to trap myself in the porch numerous times (pulling the door shut before realising I had, (put keys down, forgot to pick keys up ) until I moved at 50. Now I have a house where you physically have to lock the house up. Yeah.

@jessinaespinal8206 2 ай бұрын

YES! I thought I was alone in this. I’ll go to a party with so much joy and enthusiasm and by the time I’ve greeted everyone, my battery is already draining. This happened Saturday night. As soon as I noticed people weren’t paying attention I snuck out. Then I felt terrible because it felt so rude.

@EmmaWhalleyUK 2 ай бұрын

Same here

@steviesavage 2 ай бұрын

I don't enjoy any gatherings such as parties, because everyone just seems so fake!!

@Rachaelworld 2 ай бұрын

As much as it sounds like Dr Conkbayir is correct in recognising the negative impact of her childhood on her challenges, I do disagree with her on the idea that it was her upbringing and lack of co-regulation that *caused* her ADHD, it sounds very much like her parents BOTH probably had ADHD and that is why her parents were so chaotic and dysfunctional. I would agree that it sounds like she probably has CPTSD and that there is a lot of cross over between CPTSD and ADHDers but possibly in large part due to them having had undiagnosed ADHDers for parents

@Rachaelworld 2 ай бұрын

I think Paul Whitehouse has probably benefitted greatly from the privilige of being famous in Comedy for such a large part of his adulthood so has probably been afforded more support or accomodation for his Executive Dysfunction and certain ADHD traits. He sounds quite resistant to the idea of being an ADHDer, which may also be the age and generation. I also wonder if he might be Autistic too which would perhaps be part of the reason his ADHD is a bit more muted than his wife's version.

@cechzc2e 2 ай бұрын

As a person with adhd, the childhood ptsd and trauma, are added to the problem. To refute the genetic predisposition, that is foundational to the problem, you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

@cechzc2e 2 ай бұрын

@@Rachaelworldaudhd is common, and one can mask the other. 30 to 80 percent of autistic people have adhd, and 20 to 50 percent of adhd people have autism.

@Naki87 2 ай бұрын

I think she was tryng to explain that she doesnt see a definitive line between the two distinctions, nuture vs nature in regards to ADHD. She considers it a possible blending of the two factors, one building on the other. At its core the underlying ADHD function is there, and disregulation is perhaps magnified more in life when trauma is a big factor than for someone growing up with a less stressed upbringing. The presentation of varied traits to the condition are maybe more significant and difficult to manage in less ideal environments. I feel she tried to touch on the likelihood that at least one of her parents may have been ADHD too allowing consideration of genetics being a factor, but this beacame again the acknowledgement that she doesnt like to say one way or the other because it could be both, in a mix of traits, trauma and training. That was my take on her view on that matter.

@Shugg-Goff-HHoffical Ай бұрын

@Naki87 it's a very human thing to define and understand. To put a face to the name and vice-a-versa. But I think it can get to the point where the person can be defined by that alone in the wrong kind of eyes and mindset. Adhd should be integrated into your being and accepted not fetishism. It can be hell and isolating and made to feel " wrong " somehow. It's all about the approach, attitude and perspective. Clinical knowledge helps some to understand and create some tolerance for both NT and ADHD people. Everyone is different accept it don't mourn it.

@markwalton3367 2 ай бұрын

The promise not to accept Huel sponsorship motivated me to subscribe. Same goes for AG1.

@Naki87 2 ай бұрын

Wasn't that a gem of a promotion!

@GeminiPlatypus 2 ай бұрын

here's my thing with skeptics... If medication fixes something, then how can it be fake? If you get diagnosed with ADHD, get given a medication, and that medication causes a reduction in your symptoms, then how can the disorder be "fake" That's like saying to people with cancer that the tumor was caused by their lack of willpower, and if chemo therapy happens to help then it's "just a coincidence or lazy way out"

@Naki87 2 ай бұрын

Symptomatic sydrome on a placebo in hypohipnasic hysteria conditioning environments, are absolutely unreal mind fucks.

@TheDandonian 2 ай бұрын

The trouble you're having there is that you're trying to explain a science problem, to a person who isn't scientific. They say things like "I don't believe in ADHD" as if they even know what that means. Halfwits over estimating their brain.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

my comment was censored. Your argument isn't logically sound. Any further comment seem impossible. Hopefully that will stand.

@mickymack1230 2 ай бұрын

"If medication fixes something"Well if medication like say MDMA makes a " Normal" person feel happy it doesn't necessarily mean they are depressed and since when has medicine "fixed" physiological conditions ? It's more than the big Pharma has sold us the lie that they have the solution to people problems."To quote Krishnamurti "It i is no measure of good health to Be well adjusted to a sick world " no sane person who would seek good health in this world surely must feel outside of it to remain sane.

@lynpip3097 2 ай бұрын

My issue is medicating kids at age from six which affects development. Due to back log 90% are given scripts from adult psychiatrist. A major sensory issue and time we treated accordingly. Not to keep narrow minded mainstream happy. I could go on... the most end up developing ocd and schizo effective disorders because of it

@wandering_rose 2 ай бұрын

As a 41 year old woman struggling with addiction, & JUST diagnosed with combined ADHD,I've hated myself & my life for my whole life, and I'm exhausted. I'm so thankful I've got a diagnosis & an explanation as to why I've ruined my life & relationships. This was so uncomfortable to watch, I had to turn it off- forcing a diagnosison Paul was weird

@Queenread82 2 ай бұрын

💜💜💜 I was in therapy first and really struggling (traumatraumatrauma), no self worth at all, when I stumbled across an expert talking about (ME!) ADHD in adults and just cried. All of the “stupid, lazy, undisciplined “ was explained and I felt such relief. Then grief of course, because I was 58 when I learned about it. We aren’t bad, we’re just drawn that way!

@Queenread82 2 ай бұрын

Also, I didn’t finish either, it just felt so toxic.

@autumnpendergast9151 2 ай бұрын

Paul squiggling about in his chair constantly. 😊

@cechzc2e 2 ай бұрын

Without being in an environment were you can stim, this will be the result no doubt.

@prismonthethehorizon5793 2 ай бұрын

😂 hyperactivity 😂😂

@hjvhjfv6320 2 ай бұрын

getting pleasure out of diagnosing people against their will is creepy

@autumnpendergast9151 2 ай бұрын

@@hjvhjfv6320 gee whizz, lighten up!

@thebeaglelady1109 2 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this episode. It was really interesting to see Paul’s point of view on ADHD. The only thing I struggled with was the comment about medication. Myself and my daughter are on medication. Before meds I was close to getting divorced and my business was going down the pan. My daughter was doing poorly at school and her GCSE’s predictions weren’t great. Now we are both taking ADHD medication my marriage is stronger than ever, my business is booming and my daughter is being predicted grades A-C (in old money 😉). Medication does have its place with ADHD. It’s not for everyone but those who do take it shouldn’t feel shame for taking it or asking for it for their child.

@nikkyk4839 2 ай бұрын

3:55 firmly believing that her ADHD is due to nurture is kinda funny if you look at how she described her parents as if they didn't have signs of neurodiversity themselves. Seems a lot like nature to me.

@misspat7555 2 ай бұрын

Four generations in my family at least and counting! Just because it wasn’t diagnosed doesn’t mean it wasn’t/isn’t there! 🤷‍♀️

@stuartchapman5171 14 күн бұрын

I was very resistant to the nuture over nature idea, especially as you say, her parents possibly were. The patterns do pass down through families, decades, generations, centuries of chaotic upbringings can create adhd offspring. I'm now more comfortable with the idea it's both. Also there's epigenetics, experience and environment alter your genes, so you will pass things on genetically that you weren't born with, rather you developed.

@jeannielemesurier1414 2 ай бұрын

I'm 68, recently diagnosed ADHD. Interestingly, through some research of my own I've learnt many people with fibromyalgia have ADHD, I've had fibro for over 20 years! It makes sense when you think of the burn out.

@mat12128 2 ай бұрын

Yep, i'm writing a book on the fibro/ADHD/EDS/MCAS/Dysautonomia cluster.

@Stellar_Drift 16 күн бұрын

The way Dr Mine has described how ADHD has impacted her life and potentially has made how she is today rings so true with my own. I am 36 and was diagnosed in 2023. The drive for correcting social injustice, chronic anxiety, going from zero to a million in seconds, is just like me. I honestly thought that was just a part of my personality and the trauma I've had as a child, but as she said CPTSD and ADHD can overlap. Thank you so much for this talk, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

@neenaj365 2 ай бұрын

My son does guttural throat singing, yodelling and all manner of vocal tics as stims. Personally I relate to so much of this, especially phobia, exhaustion and avoidance around social interactions. I’ve also been sacked off for not being able to keep up with other people on social plans. They weren’t really friends if they couldn’t see how ill I felt.

@tilldeathdouspartharmonytr9829 2 ай бұрын

It's actually really refreshing to watch your shows. Seeing and hearing from people that are relatable. Tics are funny things. My son was diagnosed with tourettes he makes noises involuntary movements accents etc. Only when what I thought in this family was normal *our normal) did I realise I constantly had tics. Alot of them. I was diagnosed late in life after many disasters . This show is really comforting knowing I'm not alone and hearing from others with the same differences you really have built and strengthened the confidence in the community 💯💪 Thank you keep up the excellent work you do 😁

@GalacticRadioNoise 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for a great discussion :) ADHD and ASD both have a strong genetic component. The fact that her parents were so chaotic and struggled to self-regulate apart from drugs and alcohol only demonstrates this further. Nuture doesn't trigger ADHD, nuture triggers PTSD and CTPSD. Genetics triggers ADHD. Sending Dr Conkbayair a hug.

@Reddiscodancer 2 ай бұрын

Hasnt it been proven since the 70's that genes dont determine your health or experience of life? Yes it has, check out Bruce Lipton. Genes are a blueprint, they respond to the environment. There is no gene for ADHD.

@martlowe913 2 ай бұрын

Love it.😂 always loved Paul even more fun meeting his Mrs.

@jill829 2 ай бұрын

In the middle of watching this...and reading comments of course....and emptying the dishwasher....bloody loving this, fantastic Alex!...love Paul 💕

@bentaylor9021 2 ай бұрын

Watching and listening to this robust but lovely exchange between Paul and Dr Mine (and Alex) is lovely to watch. It also kind of represents what my mind went through (internally) when recently realising (in my late 40s) that I tick every single box for ADHD and have done for many, many years.

@browniebun 2 ай бұрын

Lovely interview of Mr. Sunshine the Entertainer and Mrs. Dark Knight the Crusader. 😂❤

@bringitbex 2 ай бұрын

Adhd came first and it drives the chase for dopamine.. craving the quick fix of instant gratification, whether that may be drugs , alcohol , social media , sex, we as adhders have brains which are wired to do so.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

every behaviour is essentially learnt - whether you want to face that or not

@Peachy-KeenJewelsOptional Ай бұрын

@@TheDavveponken Yes - that's the point @bringitbex is making. The learned behaviour is that an ADHD brain will chase dopamine, and the brain learns to partake in certain behaviours that provide dopamine quickly. The specific behaviour is then adapted as a more regular behaviour, then a habit, and then potentially an addiction.

@TheDavveponken Ай бұрын

@@Peachy-KeenJewelsOptional there's no proof of this hypothesis. Addiction is "simply" a learnt behaviour of avoidance that then also manifests to varying degree as physical dependance - which then drives it. It has little to nothing to do with dopamin. Dopamin is probably misuderstood anyway. Adhd, as are most psychiatric disorders, is based on pseudoscience which aim to validate its assumption by way of leveraging its very assumption to prove it. It's a tautological construct of an ideology.

@Peachy-KeenJewelsOptional Ай бұрын

@@TheDavveponken If a lack of dopamine drives behaviour, then it can lead to people seeking it out, no? I'm not writing a thesis here - I'm writing a KZfaq comment. If one's body is deficit in something, and that something makes you feel better when you get it, then your body will crave it, no? And that affects behaviour. Simple example: I'm thirsty and hungry as a child but only have access to limited water and food daily. When I grow up, the behaviour I might adapt is to hoard foodstuffs, or over-indulge when it's unlimited. That's not an "addiction" but it is driving behaviour, no? You say psychiatric disorders are pseudoscience, but who are you? What are your credentials? As far as I know, you're a pseudoscientist who likes to pretend to know more than you actually do. What studies have you carried out on dopamine and its effects on human behaviour?

@ADHD_Chatter_Podcast 2 ай бұрын

Like this comment if you think Paul has ADHD!

@DADADRTR 2 ай бұрын

When he mentioned whistling & songs/tunes in your head, I drew a few parallels to my own stimming behaviour; wait for the clicking fingers or drumming along the walls on the way to & from the lavatory when at work. 😂 Given his age & experience, I assume he also masks well in public.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

f off. Nobody has adhd. You are gaslighting everyone into believing there is something wrong with their brain when they simply have adverse childhood experiences.

@womacks8675309 2 ай бұрын

That opening. As if I could hear a Bartlett cry out in pain.

@jaykay3298 2 ай бұрын

Disorder > DIfference ❤

@martinh8318 2 ай бұрын

Someone should take the clip of him saying how he's always calm and never loses his temper, and cut it to a montage of him losing his rag with Bob in Gone Fishing

@bringitbex 2 ай бұрын

I’ve whistled all my life , and humming , skin picking , caffeine , lip licking .. all of those things.

@clungebucket23 2 ай бұрын

Whistling?... I've always done that... Only to realise how rare it is... Just another small realisation along my journey into ADHD in remembering how irritating this has been to my girlfriends and partners over the years.... Not that I care 😅

@michaelshannon9169 2 ай бұрын

And so what? I do the same. Are we saying that anything outside this Overton Window of 'normal' should be pathologized?

@bringitbex 2 ай бұрын

Brilliant interview Alex and Paul and Dr Mine are both quality guests ❤

@l.a.gothro3999 2 ай бұрын

I'm gonna be 60 this November, and I'd been correctly diagnosed with MDD w/anxiety. A few months ago, I was diagnosed as ADHD and Sensitivity Processing Disorder w/hyper-sensitivity. (btw, it's my 35 y. o. son, who is also ADHD & is high functioning on the ASD spectrum. I am so angry that nobody did anything to help me when I was a kid and a teenager, that I got bullied for being smart and different and for just *existing*.

@Queenread82 2 ай бұрын

Correlation is not causation. Yes, many ADHDers also struggle with addiction and often come from traumatic backgrounds but addiction and trauma does not cause the ADHD. Scientific studies have proven that ADHD is, excepting brain trauma causation, a genetic disorder, a medical disorder that can be helped with medication. I feel sorry and frustrated that she doesn’t understand this. It is easy information to come by.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

it is not scientifically sound. There's no real proof of that and there's no real knowledge how "meds" "work". They ruined my life in the span of days. There's nothing wrong with these peoples brains and we should stop pushing detrimental drugs on people already suffering from emotional trauma, stress and anxiety. Really think about it. It doesn't make sense that the majority taking these questionnaires qualify for "adhd" and that the definitions are so vague and general to human experience - especially one during stress. It is "just" stress and anxiety. It is out of laziness that someone is diagnosed "adhd" rather than adverse childhood and social anxiety associated with performance. It is a big fraud. It is a chemical lobotomy. The majority stop taking their drugs within a year.

@AyoopKlemoagh 2 ай бұрын

When I was a kid, my mother used to say I had a “grasshopper mind.”

@advaitawho 2 ай бұрын

The continual music in my head … 😩😂 aaagghhhh

@TomeAlone 2 ай бұрын

God that beeping in the background is killing me! 😂 It's like a truck is backing up forever 😅

@clairecooper197 Ай бұрын

What an amazing interview, I’m 46 and on the waiting list for an ADHD diagnosis. I feel my life would have been so much easier with help from an early age. I never thought my difficulties were caused by ADHD, it was thanks to my autistic son. I trained as a staff nurse, the anxiety helped me train, but equally the anxiety has stopped me working. What I love about my adhd is the fact that I’m very intuitive. It’s my super power 😂😂

@keymeter1917 2 ай бұрын

Didn't think I was going to like this, but I luvd it! Paul & his Mrs are legend! The host was very low key, asked the right questions and gave them plenty of space. Just Brilliant!💯👏💐

@steffim.9467 Ай бұрын

I love how this talk between three very insightful people reflects my constant inner struggle with my ADHD. It is all a big conflict in my head sometimes. ADHD can make you so creative, make you really fly high, yet it crashes you down with shame, RSD, addiction issues (for me, it has always been eating disorders since primary school), ... it makes you a walking contradiction. I love how Paul Whitehouse says: well, you two are successful in life... yes, that is right. I am successful, too: two very nice children (one with ADHD, one without), a good marriage, a wonderful job as a teacher... yet, I often feel like the biggest loser in life, really. I try to unlearn this a bit to be more positive, because actually life is good for me. But it is hard to see when you have ADHD, especially when you are diagnosed late in life.

@DADADRTR 2 ай бұрын

Given the high level of brain activity associated with ADHD, how about calling it 'Accelerated Dynamic Human Deliberation'?

@Naki87 2 ай бұрын

So that would be fast random people consideration, slowed. I find too much impulsivity in my world to consider it deliberation. But there IS also a lot of thought happening. Hmm. Fuzz syndrome. It's all I have to add.

@stevenrobinson1597 2 ай бұрын

Just diagnosed at 50 .

@Plethorality 2 ай бұрын

Welcome to the club. Was 55. Had no idea. (Thought everything was my fault )

@findlay1arches 2 ай бұрын

How did you get diagnosed if you don't mind me asking. Is it as simple as going to the doctors

@stevenrobinson1597 2 ай бұрын

@@findlay1arches I went right to choose via Psychiatry-UK its still threw the NHS and quicker .I find the adhd uk men with adhd support group on Facebook very helpful too .

@mariannehavisham8323 2 ай бұрын

It's hypervigilence -a big ptsd symptom -not 'needing the disorder'

@Shazita1-qe9ix Ай бұрын

In my family it wasn’t nurture, my brother came into the world in a rage and everyone walked the floor with him at night when he was a baby. He lived very fast and always looking for a high… he was a pest but everyone loved him. he was smart but bored easily and very impulsive. He was successful but had an addictive personality and a functioning alcoholic. He took his life out of the blue at 30. it was a shock. I do think it was an impulsive decision and not planned. I wished they had recognised SDHD In the 80’s.

@bringitbex 2 ай бұрын

So interesting about the accent thing .. we moved to Newcastle when I was 8 and myself and my brother developed thick Geordie accents extremely quickly

@mariannehavisham8323 2 ай бұрын

Bpd is a mental illness and adhd is neurodivergence. However adhd has many mental illnesses as co-morbidities and there is quite a lot of overlapping symptoms between adhd and bpd. Both are largely genetic although my understanding is bpd is largely caused by environment wheras neurodivergence is more genetic is my understanding. People can fully recover from bpd because it is an illness. Adhd is a brain difference not an illness so people don't 'recover' but can learn coping skills

@Rise-and-Shine333 2 ай бұрын

Studies show that both are trauma responses

@Czechbound 2 ай бұрын

Good gravy Paul, you have patience. My tick is getting interrupted ( maybe coming from a large family ) when trying to make a succinct point. It makes me just shut up. So well done for your patience and tolerance for soldiering on in the face of being interrupted a lot of the time you opened your mouth. Not trolling. Not judging. It is what it is. I would have been sitting there very quietly as a result.

@Plethorality 2 ай бұрын

I knew nothinh about it. Didnt stop me having it. Diagnosed out of of the blue at 55.

@deebee1283 2 ай бұрын

In my experience I feel ASD and ADHD makes you more likely to have CPTSD . After EMDR to help with Trauma/CPTSD I found I could distinguish more the differences. Often I think CPTSD can layer ontop . I do think a lot more study is needed on this. This is only my own personal experience and observation. Really hope more research will be done on this possible correlation.

@clungebucket23 2 ай бұрын

Whilst ADHD has a genetic / inherited / hard-wired component... I believe such ADHD-like behaviours can be induced by the conditioning of a traumatic environment in early life.... Not all ADHDers had this start in life

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

no real proof of the genetic aspect. Adhd is culture and generational trauma - that is why it "is hereditary". And trauma doesn't need to be outright physical or sexual abuse.

@geoffsaunderson5766 2 ай бұрын

“Oh yah for the nice understanding things you said …but what you should be saying is I’m a princess and love of your life ffs” Well done Paul, just well done! It’s always going to be about her! Not a national treasure, amazing character actor and comedian that’s no doubt paid for her everything! Just look after yourself mate!

@artfullfox9 2 ай бұрын

Can you put ADHD anywhere near fishing!? I said don't bloody wind Bob!!! I'm not, Tee hee hee fromBob.Bobs little dopamine hit 😂

@missl1109 2 ай бұрын

Love Dr. Mine's perspective on education/schools. If only this was the norm.

@NiinaSKlove 2 ай бұрын

So, I've just been watching a little over four minutes. But I can't help thinking when it comes to the trauma part. Isn't it so that two kids (or more) who grow up in a family where there are a lot of bad things happening (saying 'bad things,' to simplify it a bit), one of the kids grows up without any significant problems in life, doing just fine, and the other kid grows up with 'ADHD' like symptoms? - Doesn't that basically mean that while there are things that can mimic adhd (and sometimes other neurodiverse diagnoses), nurture doesn't cause people to 'get' ADHD? If you have ADHD, you were born with it, and if you are growing up in a dysfunctional family, you still either have it or you don't? And while things can trigger your ADHD, it's not what causes it? I am sorry for explaining myself in such a bad way. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. 😊

@misspat7555 2 ай бұрын

I have put it “being heavily traumatized does no one any favors, and it’s worse if you already have disabilities/a predisposition towards mental illness”. Of course, those “at risk” genetically tend to end up raised by the same people who gave them those “at risk” genes in the first place, so… 😬

@Alan_Duval 2 ай бұрын

Or, one has a greater predispositon to ADHD than the other, so whilst they're both in the same environment, one will "get" ADHD and the other won't. Additionally, there's an idea in family counselling called family systems theory, which suggests (very approximately) that if a family is dysfunctional, the people within the family will adapt to the situation, unless they can't for some reason, such as having a learning difficulty or mental health issues, then they will become the outlet for the rest of the family's ways of dealing with that dysfunction.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

you've just explained "adhd". "adhd" is merely a personality developed under adverse circumstances. It is a mind constantly preoccupied with reading the room and anxious of insult by or to other people due to their previous experiences. Also they have learned to cope by having a vivid imagination and picking up on whatever they can to escape their current situation. I'm so fed up with this lazy term of "adhd". Children are socialized from day one.

@Alan_Duval 2 ай бұрын

@@TheDavveponken Except, as the OP said, two people raised in the same environment did not end up having ADHD. Indeed, if it's *just* nurture, then you'd have to explain why assortative mating and genetics have been found to affect the likelihood of ADHD in family members versus, say, adopted children. Additionally, the words you used: "they have learned to cope by having a vivid imagination and picking up on whatever they can to escape their current situation," more accurately describe Borderline Personality Disorder, which is not genetic in the way that ADHD is, but is nevertheless is an interaction between nature and nurture. Furthermore, that description would only really be descriptive of Inattentive-type ADHD, not impulsive/hyperactive ADHD. (Just to note, I have been diagnosed with inattentive-type ADHD, and I did not have an adverse childhood.) Overall, ADHD seems to be a bit more about nature, BPD seems to be a bit more about nurture.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

@@Alan_Duval No two children in a Household have the same childhood experience. The first child often take the brunt force of an inexperienced parent as well as face abandonment upon the coming of the second child. The studies that look at genetics are biased towards a "genetic finding" as they wholly ignore culture or trauma. On the note of culture: does for instance all greeks have adhd? Because in greek culture impulsivity and aggressiveness is not frowned upon as much as in other western cultures. There's a reason why the diagnosis of adhd is a thing in western culture. Even if the diagnosis was true, the diagnostic process is nowhere near scientific. The whole diagnosis is arbitrary bs. And I should know, I was diagnosed with it as an adult. Being poisoned with ritalin certainly leaves you with a lot of time to reflect and study this lie.

@Queenread82 2 ай бұрын

If people are functioning well in their life despite having ADHD they shouldn’t be pressured to get diagnosed. It’s only a problem if it has a negative impact on their life.

@GlasPthalocyanine 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Creative, productive people seem to have independently found their way of self-regulating without the label. My son has found his diagnosis useful for understanding which thought processes cause his periodic depression and anxiety. So, now he's better able to sort that out himself. I already know that if I had a diagnosis for ADHD/ ASD, my biggest question would be "How will this help me give up the ciggies?". I think the most important "label" to understand is introversion versus extroversion. Our family is very big on crafts. So we cope with boredom. An extrovert with these conditions is more likely to be bouncing off the walls trying to get a reaction from other people. That's probably going to make them, and the people around them, pretty miserable.

@billbrooks4694 Ай бұрын

wow. my comedy hero. so happy to start watching this.

@stewartcohen-jones2949 15 сағат бұрын

My estimation of Paul was high anyway but it’s gone up an extra notch after watching this.

@joeyhasan169 2 ай бұрын

I’m really glad that ADHD is being celebrated nowadays and, as an ADHDer myself, this feels liberating. HOWEVER I think that the point of a psychiatric diagnosis is to acknowledge that ADHD causes unwanted, persistent and pervasive disruptions to a person’s life and across multiple domains of their life too such as work, family life, education etc. I have suffered greatly not just because there was no recognition or suggestion of ADHD while I was growing up but mostly because I struggle hugely with emotional dysregulation, burnout, sensory overload, anxiety… the list goes on and on. I feel really uneasy about suggesting someone else has ADHD unless they feel **themselves** that their possible “symptoms” or behaviours are having a detrimental impact on their life. If there is no negative impact on a person’s life, assigning labels of ADHD to ‘possible behaviours’ can minimise the suffering it causes and cause damage to those who really suffer.

@bluj78 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the huel comment. Diary of a podcaster who isn't a complete, rank hypocrite. Bravo!

@jamescoburn6789 2 ай бұрын

52 and a tik tok vid took me down a rabbit hole. At the bottom of the hole, lay my missing instruction booklet. Press the yellow button for crazed impulse spending with 50 watches in a few months. Blue button for a new hobby which dies instantly without reason. Button B for ODD, standing up to authoritarian chip shop owners who refuse to let me select my own fish, telling them I am banned for life. Button H for hyperfocus, knocking out a 70%+ 4000 word essay in 10 hours.

@jamescoburn6789 2 ай бұрын

If only we could keep the hyperfocus switched on and directed at tasks which are in the correct order of prioritisation, we could change the world, instead of looking like Jim Royle, with periodic outbursts of the Incredible Hulk.

@helenmccaig8299 2 ай бұрын

Absolutely love this amazing REAL authentic couple

@avmavm777 4 күн бұрын

Paul fidgeted so much during the interview. Constant movement while he talked about how he didn’t think he had ADHD

@Kidandas 2 ай бұрын

Love these shows ❤ i have adhd and autism ❤ i love to dj fast high energy music what helps give me my dopamine fix lol currently getting help without having any meds yet

@geoffsaunderson5766 2 ай бұрын

Her first sentence just set her up as an idiot “hmm what came first they are both inextricably linked…BUT WITH ME IT WAS DEFINITELY NURTURE…????”

@martlowe913 2 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed this. I got to see it early this morning as im in oz. All the comments are interesting. I would love to see a sketch with Mine being the phycologist and Paul being a client. ..

@mikiomahoney1 2 ай бұрын

Related to so much with what was discussed about how AHD manifests, the French goodbye, road rage, When Mine talked about not liking a silent and calm environment, that she likes noise, her food things, her rigidity and some of Mine's habits are synonymous with potential autism too, I actually realised after obtaining my ADHD diagnosis a few years back, as well as having CPTSD and other co-morbidities, and as there were still other things I felt odd, I also got the autism diagnosis, not as much as ADHD, but my theory is Neurodivergence is a huge spectrum where autism is always part of ADHD and vice versa.

@edwardferry8247 2 ай бұрын

Evolution in 4 dimensions is one of the best books ever written about the complexity of life. To condense down an extraordinarily complex set of variables and dynamics to a label in order to justify a certain type of self understanding and comfort to fit the world into their idea of themselves is profoundly wrong. There is absolutely no current ability to understand the brain in any way that emerges as personality /character. Metzinger’s writing on the creation of self is probably the best explanation we have.

@geoffsaunderson5766 2 ай бұрын

I might be ADHD but one thing that spins me out is “us” “we” “our community” it just seems like a launching pad for excuses about your own personal bad behaviour?

@user-ds5uj6mj9n 2 ай бұрын

I'd say robbin williams had adhd. What a lovely man. I have adhd myself. It's not easy mine was caused through child hood trauma.

@Chancer 2 ай бұрын

Brilliant guests.

@elliotpollard9083 2 ай бұрын

It's funny how judgemental half the comments are, considering they were probably called lazy underachievers most of their lives. I was, too. Of course, at the time, i was very, very drunk.

@jeremyminns5627 12 күн бұрын

Disorder from social norms.so are we all the 10 % in society or whatever percentage,so so many answers I'm chasing, I'm very new to the cannel.

@barryhopkins292 2 ай бұрын

People with ADHD succeed IN SPITE of ADHD not because of ADHD. adhd doesnt magical give you an edge to succeed.

@tarawells1553 Ай бұрын

🤭 got the huel joke. Even pushing it when it wasn’t available in the uk!

@user-ds5uj6mj9n 2 ай бұрын

Yes adhd people are bloody amazing. They have a difficult time❤

@austrianoak7622 2 ай бұрын

Shes amazing! We had a similar upbring and very similar outlook on alot of things. Never knew another person so similar to me could exist lol

@BritishMaverickk 2 ай бұрын

Nah I don’t agree with the idea its not a disorder. Its screwed my life up way too much just from my own internal point lf view to not be considered disordered. Not to mention the amount of support needed.

@dalegowler6436 2 ай бұрын

I am old enough to remember when you had the a few in a school I know why this has happened at least I'm very sure but the cases have risen dramatically over a few decades

@bellavida7628 2 ай бұрын

I feel sorry for Paul, him being such a funny, lovely man living with that miserable, serious 🐄

@jonash7069 2 ай бұрын

they have separate homes

@boing615 2 ай бұрын

I would never have imagined his other half would be like this, there seems to be no humour in her at all.

@spacehoppermark6161 2 ай бұрын

I whistle when I'm happy 😃

@barryhopkins292 2 ай бұрын

By the way,I'm a huge fan of Paul Whitehouse. I can't help but see him doing a version of that old fast show skit... "Me?the well known and respected comedian and performer Paul Whitehouse? With ADHD? Haaaardly!"😂

@cujimmy1366 2 ай бұрын

Flipity flIp= PTSD.

@mickymack1230 2 ай бұрын

I really have a dislike of people with a PHD in Philosophy or whatever calling themselves Doctor. I have family members with Doctorates who could call themselves Doctors but would barely be capable of fitting a light bulb. A Doctor of Philosophy is not the same as say a Neurosurgeon!? Comments on a postcard please...

@GlasPthalocyanine 2 ай бұрын

Neurosurgeons don't use the title Doctor. Doctor is a intermediate stage in their training. If you want someone to operate on your brain or spine, you need a Consultant ( Mr. or Mrs.)

@mickymack1230 2 ай бұрын

@@GlasPthalocyanine I suppose when you reach the level of knowledge and skill of a Neurosurgeon you have no need to inflate your ego by insisting people address you as doctor.

@GlasPthalocyanine 2 ай бұрын

@@mickymack1230 it's not always ego. My sister went through a little phase of enjoying being called Doctor, but that was because her married name was Livingstone, at the time.

@neenaj365 2 ай бұрын

Also the human biology is so complex that genetic propensities can be triggered by environmental factors in many neurological conditions including ADHDifference. Trauma is also almost inevitable in us ND people which really brings the temperature up on our traits.

@gemmahampton5661 3 күн бұрын

Paul obviously isn't convinced. I don't know why he came on, he seemed extremely uncomfortable and old fashioned.

@geoffsaunderson5766 2 ай бұрын

ADHD is something in a personality, it’s not EVERYTHING! So negative things about the actual personality can be easily buried under the ADHD flag! And sad to say used as an excuse! That’s a big problem in interrelationship “adhd”

@lucyroberts2800 2 ай бұрын

I went through every kind of therapy and council before my son was diagnosed he slept for 5/6 hours tops from 18months he had a stable life we tried to wear him out with activities daily we would be shattered . It wouldn’t even touch the surface . He was medicated this was a hard choice we made . He was diagnosed with adhd/ Asperger’s later with Asperger’s being more than they originally thought. We have others in our family . Ours is an inclusive family outside of our immediate family isn’t .

@prismonthethehorizon5793 2 ай бұрын

I get where the doc is coming from...my early childhood was chaotic too and I feel alot of nurture was involved in that neuro brain wiring. Also the elder generation does struggle to admit their less than perfect actions and I think that comes down to the British societal facade of proper and improper English behaviour. Also their struggle was that mental health was stigmatised so not many people would admit to being unstable. The move to mental wellness as a label is far better! P.S I get the docs thoughts around the water. Once a thought gets logged down and lodged in your brain it's difficult to get away from the ruminations of that thought. I think understanding that the brain's executive dysfunction in the frontal lobe is at the core of ADHD and that can show up in many different ways. Understanding that there are barriers and difficulties to regulating oneself in this world is at the heart of each journey causing anxiety, depression and lapses in memory can all be side effects. 🤔 33:00 Hyperactivity can be channelled into martial arts or sports. I definitely think if a child is brought up to be more confident instead of knocked down with criticism then acting and performance is a great channel and as Lee Evans has been pointed out earlier, he's a great example of how it can be packaged! Paul's hyperactivity is also fantastic doing his characters! It's about finding out about the child's uniqueness and molding them to their strengths, so basically doing what's good for the child. Locking them away in a classroom with traditional teaching methods doesn't work for these kids.

@elliotwilliams7421 2 ай бұрын

Treatment for adhd diagnosis should be more like physio. When you pull a muscle you sont take pills to cure it, you take tablets to mask the pain and you should rest and work the injured muscle back to health. 'ADHD' Treatment should be about teaching coping strategies and rewiring the brain.

@ThePdeHav 2 ай бұрын

Fascinating. ADHD is the support act to BO1, thus I haven’t had time to research it. Concerts and Dex help

@saunderselizabeth 2 ай бұрын

I enjoy this podcast but I felt uncomfortable about how this gentleman was spoken to in this interview about if he has ADHD or not.

@supermum2kids233 2 ай бұрын

Your mum's denial is due to her emotional intelligence not matured, especially with her lack of acceptance of her behaviours, opinion & how it relates to you! 💞 Definitely adhd!

@user-ve2gl8xf4g 19 күн бұрын

Alex I love the pod lol but what's the beef w huel

@mattng4707 2 ай бұрын

Yes its true adhd comes across differently i internalise the most

@Queenread82 2 ай бұрын

No Dear, some of us have more problems with executive function than we do with emotional regulation. I’m not denying the emotional dysregulation, I have it sometimes, but executive function is a daily, hourly struggle.

@TheDavveponken 2 ай бұрын

everyone struggles with this, hate to tell you. Especially if you are stressed or anxious - which ofc often is the case with "adhd". Adhd is stress and anxiety, nothing else.

@Queenread82 2 ай бұрын

I feel very uncomfortable with this conversation. I really hate bickering.

@Shugg-Goff-HHoffical Ай бұрын

Especially when it goes round and round in circles.

@helendancelot 2 ай бұрын

Isnt men hitting family daily a total normal behaviour? What percentage of the population is this true for?...how many this being the experience for makes it normal or not?

@GlasPthalocyanine 2 ай бұрын

I'd guess the trauma comes when you realise it's either not normal or shouldn't be normal. This might be the difference with older people. We weren't all being hit every day but there was a constant threat of being hit. Don't forget that teachers were hitting children, too. I sat next to a boy who was very fidgety and was hit by the teacher every single day, sometimes twice a day. It was always for trivial stuff like forgetting to bring a pencil, or interrupting when an adult was talking. He was hit across the back of the hand with a ruler. It was horrific. Teachers used to throw things like chalk and board rubbers at the kids, too. Even the neighbours were slapping other people's children. I think this feeds into domestic violence because girls were always taught to avoid being hit by staying quiet and deferring to aggressive behaviour. If you got beaten, it was always your fault. The 60s and 70s were a bloody awful time to be a child.

@MinomeEslinde 2 ай бұрын

The same applies to marital r_p_ or even darker _nc_st, the perpetrators makes sure the targets and bystanders think it's normal, or even "good". It's rarely talked about, but preparing the environment to make it accept damaging behaviors, via bystander grooming, is a common tactic, that abusers use to get away with the damage they cause. .

@user-ve2gl8xf4g 19 күн бұрын

So just for clarity are these guys married then?

@susank2586 2 ай бұрын

Their bickering at the start made me so uncomfortable, I almost switched off the video. his argument is like odd, he likes to disagree for the sheer will of doing it.