Advanced Framing vs Traditional Framing

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Matt Risinger

11 жыл бұрын

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In this video I'll show you the differences between Advanced Framing and Traditional Framing methods. For more information visit my blog at www.MattRisinger.com
-Matt Risinger Principal of Risinger Homes in Austin, TX

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@CarloPicaldi
@CarloPicaldi Жыл бұрын
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@childebrand1
@childebrand1 4 жыл бұрын
In Canada, advanced framing was around years ago. We just called it “discount housing”. If we had changed the name maybe it would still be popular.
@1966johnnywayne
@1966johnnywayne 5 жыл бұрын
Well, who knew, apparently the cost-saving framing that I've used over the years to build garden sheds makes me an "advanced framer".
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
This application meets code. It's rare to see a stud fail, but it if they did it would be for water related issues. Once water gets to the framing it doesn't matter what type of framing type you will see a failure. This is why you see me doing so many videos on weatherization. I'm a stickler on my Tyvek details. Best, Matt
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
I don't do Advanced Framing on every project. I really need to be involved at the start of Architectural Design in order for this system to work properly. For instance, if the floor system isn't designed for Adv Framing you might be forced to stay with 16" OC Stud spacing. My framer was open to learning these methods and we reviewed the details & expectations prior to the start of framing. Best, Matt Risinger
@ammerconsulting
@ammerconsulting 9 жыл бұрын
Although many doubt the strength values here, a 2x6 is more than twice as stiff as a 2x4. The value is known as the section modulus. The Section modulus of a 2x4 is 3.06, while the section modulus of a 2x6 is 7.56. With the exterior fully sheathed it becomes even stiffer. As long as the building is properly engineered, this system will be as strong as any other system. California corners are a great way to help with energy. All US Building codes require 3 studs in each corner. The California corner has 3 studs, just in a different configuration form what used to be the norm. There are some problems associated with wider spacing on the studs, especially things like cabinets, but I always add a little extra blocking to allow me to mount cabinets. I did notice in the view of that one bottom plate that the anchor bolts were just barely within the 2x6 sill plate. That would never fly in Earthquake country. By the way, I am an Engineer and also a builder. I have been building for nearly 35 years. I have built homes on both coasts and there are a lot of changes involved in going from West to East Coast. This system isn't really that advanced, it's a selling point for this builder's homes. Remember, never assume that what you want to do is legal until you talk with your local building department. They have the final say on what is structurally sound for your area.
@DougHanchard
@DougHanchard 8 жыл бұрын
+Bill Ammer Well said. I don't think there's any problem with 2x6, but 24" centers.... makes me squirm. Another issue is foundation wall thickness. And the cost of concrete isn't going down these days...in fact, in most regions, it has skyrocketed. I also agree that this is not 'advanced' framing. The debate between 12, 16 and 24 inch centers has been around for a VERY long time. Advanced framing to me these days is really not even true. The last big advancement we had was Styrofoam block with rebar concrete for foundation AND walls. And that was in the last 1980's and it still isn't popular in most regions of North America despite its strength and insulation properties. But I do have an 'engineering' question regarding exterior walls that maybe you can answer. If we have a three story home, including full basement with 10' ceiling, and the goal is to have as much open concept on the first floor and some of the second floor (say over the living room and some sections of stair wells, etc., I would imagine the thickness of the footings, foundation and the wall stud choices play a critical role in joist sizes and type. Thus, would a 12" wide foundation and 2x6 walls on 12 or 16" centers be sufficient for a home that is 36" wide and has to some steel I-Beams for joists? The goal is to avoid centered load bearing walls right in the middle of the centerline width of the home (18 feet). The reason I ask was years ago I looked at building a custom home and thought 2 x 12 joists would be sufficient and the regional building inspector said no and then mentioned the footings and basement walls would have to be 'engineered' and approved. At that point, all I saw in my head was big dollar signs and dropped the whole idea of custom home.
@dougstinski8740
@dougstinski8740 8 жыл бұрын
Doug Hanchard
@Community-Action
@Community-Action 7 жыл бұрын
Doug Hanchard- most code around the US is 16 on center. Not sure where 24 on center is allowed
@jaredcolahan759
@jaredcolahan759 7 жыл бұрын
this makes the build more costly. Now you have to have full sheathing
@rogerdjuranic4903
@rogerdjuranic4903 7 жыл бұрын
skojo3e up here its used but 8' walls only but they say its for r-value but we both know they re just cheap
@MrCJHamill
@MrCJHamill 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I love the tip about the 5/8" Dry Wall. Makes sense. Looks nicer and has extra acoustical value compared to the thinner grades.
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comments. I do try to focus on the positive. Best, Matt
@sdotmurda
@sdotmurda 6 жыл бұрын
My house is 2 x 6 exterior walls 24 inch center. 2 x 4 24 inch center roof trusses, 2 × 4 24 inch centered floor trusses and 2 × 4 interior walls. The trusses are great for achieving long distance spans without the need for support beams or poles. I am a firm believer in 16 inch spacing. Even with 5/8 sheetrock and oak floors the waves in the wall are very noticeable as well as the floor. House was built in 79, all seams are showing, floors are buckling, big price to pay for some added insulation benefits.
@hendystark8333
@hendystark8333 3 жыл бұрын
i'm a computer science student, i don't know what the heck i'm doing watching this guy's video for the last 3 days
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe, always appreciate your support and comments. Best, Matt
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
The remodel at the start of the video has a HERS rating of 48 so the difference before/after should be dramatic. I estimate the electric bills to be 1/2 to 1/3 of pre-remodel use. I'll see if I can gather that for a future video. Best, Matt
@mmanut
@mmanut 9 жыл бұрын
2x6 on 16 inch centers is what I use. Live in the North East with big snow loads. Lumber isn't as strong as it use to be, don't cheap out. All kinds of great insulating techniques, use them.
@kondasixtytoo487
@kondasixtytoo487 6 жыл бұрын
mmanut how would lumber used vertically not be as strong as it used to be? KD spruce is inexpensive and tested. Do you really think that the building code authors do not test these assemblies prior to being implemented into a National Building Code?
@raybrensike42
@raybrensike42 6 жыл бұрын
Konda sixtytoo, The modern day testing of materials is irrelevant to the strength of old lumber, which was stronger, being old growth Douglas fir. When the wind really gets to blowing in the plains states, you could tell the difference between a house framed with Doug fir. There really is a difference in the stiffness between the old lumber and what we get today.
@kondasixtytoo487
@kondasixtytoo487 6 жыл бұрын
Ray Brensike and you don’t think the writers of the code factor the differences into the newer codes???
@raybrensike42
@raybrensike42 6 жыл бұрын
Konda, regardless of the modern testing of todays materials, none of that has any effect on the greater stiffness of yesterday's old growth Doug fir framing, which was quite superior.
@kondasixtytoo487
@kondasixtytoo487 6 жыл бұрын
Ray Brensike , today’s testing has no effect on yesterday’s materials? Wow insightful!
@pedromeza2398
@pedromeza2398 7 жыл бұрын
Matt, thank you, your videos are very educational, I was trained back in the 70's and it good to see updates.
@JW-kt5ls
@JW-kt5ls 5 жыл бұрын
Matt, I thank you for the quality videos. I'm getting ready to build a home and am referring to your videos for much of my construction. It's very obvious that you build quality!
@SuperEddietv
@SuperEddietv 6 жыл бұрын
I have more of an issue with "off-gassing" spray foam insulation than I do with traditional framing. "Advanced" framing will get you canned in the quality world. Pictures fall off walls when doors close too hard, ears pop from the drywall flex from opening and closing doors. roof loads, wind loads, etc. Been there, seen that, addressed that, fixed that. Tract builder grade workmanship is unacceptable in the custom world. 38 year contractor in Florida here. Framing for most of them. If it feels cheap, it probably is. "The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low cost is forgotten."
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 6 жыл бұрын
It would be great if a foam spray existed whose only gaseous component was carbon dioxide. As far as drywall goes, I hate it. If forced to use it, I'll apply one layer and laminate a second layer with offset seams over it with a non-VOC adhesive. Even if the second layer is 1/4", it has better strength, crack-resistance and sound deadening properties than the equivalent thickness "single ply" drywall.
@ixd7ev254
@ixd7ev254 5 жыл бұрын
Eddie, I was told styrene type spray foam was illegal inside human living quarters. We built with a spray-in called icynene which is water blown and non-toxic. It doesn't get so rigid, neither.
@BossCrunk
@BossCrunk 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, you nailed it.
@nmlindon20
@nmlindon20 5 жыл бұрын
I will framing my vocation house with 2x6 outside wall and 2x4 inside wall,should I have loading walls olso 2x6?
@RussSchampers
@RussSchampers 3 жыл бұрын
Love the quote. I also experience the inverse which is also true with tools. "The price of a quality tool is soon forgotten. The lack of performance on a budget tool is experienced frequently." For example, I nearly cried the day I bought my saw stop. Today I can't remember what it cost but the saw sure is nice to use!
@JustinSLeach
@JustinSLeach 5 жыл бұрын
“California Corners” are easier for electrical too.
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Always nice to hear positive feedback. Best, Matt
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Great point. We used an Engineer to size all the headers in the house, and omitted headers in non-load bearing walls. Best, Matt
@paulmaxwell8851
@paulmaxwell8851 4 жыл бұрын
Matt, that's another thing that makes me crazy: builders who put headers in non-loadbearing walls. Do these guys leave their brains at home or what?
@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire
@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire 7 жыл бұрын
And on the other hand, I know a guy whose father built a house in Gulfport, MS with 2x6 walls on 12" centers and the house survived both Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Katrina. I'm from Texas, I don't do *California* *anything*.
@Mx199D
@Mx199D 4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@olly-kai
@olly-kai 3 жыл бұрын
That's so funny! I'm from California, I don't do Texas anything. 😎
@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire
@CurmudgeonExtraordinaire 3 жыл бұрын
@@olly-kai -- Yeah, I suspect that BBQed tofu is wrong on just so many levels...
@bryancassidy4100
@bryancassidy4100 5 жыл бұрын
You're on point about thinking about insulation values on things like usingv2x6s and insulated headers. But, California corners have little to no structural value. And relying on the glues and hardware of engineered lumber is too dependant on every other system, I.e roofing, siding, and HVAC to operate perfectly and be maintained. Traditional framing has its merits and necessities that can't be tossed aside for the sake of energy efficiency.
@BBTthetank
@BBTthetank 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt! I've been following your videos for about a year now, they're all great! I've learned alot in the past year between books and the internet and have become quite a building nerd myself. My current trade skill is electrical that i've aquired from the military and college. I plan to expand my knowledge and eventually become a builder or contractor and try to follow the same way you build. Keep up the good work and looking forward to more vids. Jason
@koogleyou557
@koogleyou557 6 жыл бұрын
Clear and concise. Been researching proposed advanced framing techniques. This 1 makes good common sense - really liked the header technique
@daifeichu
@daifeichu 8 жыл бұрын
I framed houses for 5 years about 22 years ago and we always used California corners. I live near Toronto so cold is a concern in the winter. 2X6's or 2X4's with clad mate or glass clad were the norm to get R20 on the walls. I don't think I like the 24" centres though. Sure, a bit better insulating value and a bit less in lumber but I like the idea of overbuilding. Engineered wood is a great idea for the headers.
@cainmin
@cainmin 6 жыл бұрын
dafeichu 2' o.c. is illegal in ontario anyway. Except engineered truss. And the insulated headers this guys talking about is a joke. Lol
@Justin-ul9wo
@Justin-ul9wo 6 жыл бұрын
Toronto cold, come to Winnipeg, then you'll know cold!!!
@zippythechicken
@zippythechicken 6 жыл бұрын
he has tornado load
@hj8607
@hj8607 6 жыл бұрын
Agree. If in Ontario ,etc., and needing better insulation stay with 16 and use 6" .
@martinpoulsen6564
@martinpoulsen6564 5 жыл бұрын
I spent 18 months as a carpenter in the Pacific Northwest from I was 25, started when I was 18. Everything depends on where you are. Do you have to build for extreme cold, heavy moisture, high wind or snowloads etc. Cross framing has been standard here for the past 25 years to eliminate cold penetration, and even double framing with a void for unbroken insulation to reduce heatloss. This is due to very high taxes on energy consumption and a fairly cold climate except for summers. Energywise, both the US and Canada still have something to learn, although it is not directly adaptable given the need for higher structural strength, sheer walls etc. in areas with snow loads and earthquake zones. The benefit is yet also limited, since energy consumption is not taxed as heavily, and the lower 48 also have a relatively warmer climate over the course of a year. I doubt it would pay off financially to adapt the Danish ways. Foam insulation is also prohibited here both in relation to fire, worksite safety and off gassing in the finished home. Polystyren is allowed in embedded structures, such as outside on cellar walls below ground level. If you don't have neither quakes or snow loads where you're building, 2' on center is just fine. Proven fact. Not on any height structure of course - if you add top load, you'll need something to distribute it, but for regular 1 or 2 story houses, it will be plenty.
@icandothat905
@icandothat905 6 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I've never been happier to live in an area with strict building codes.
@CF-bg3jd
@CF-bg3jd 2 жыл бұрын
Where is that?
@rj.e.2474
@rj.e.2474 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, It's 2021 and it's nice to know you haven't changed a bit. Just upped your production value.
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Regarding my background, I have a degree in Industrial Management and got my start at 22 with a National Builder. I fell into Building Science because of failures encountered during the mold crisis of 2001-02. That mold scare lead me to question the "that's how we've always done it" mentality. I attended an EEBA training day called "Houses that Work" taught by Mark LaLiberte and my eyes were opened to the world of Building Science. I wish you great success in your endeavors! Best, Matt
@scottschaefer2086
@scottschaefer2086 5 жыл бұрын
With 24” on center and sheeting it with OSB, would the OSB bow over the years because of the studs being spaced further apart?
@feonix138
@feonix138 5 жыл бұрын
You are standing on a concrete slab and not a cement slab. Cement is but one ingredient of concrete. Example: It would be like telling a baker "thank you for baking me a flour" instead of "thank you for baking me a cake" Great vid!
@ebox008
@ebox008 5 жыл бұрын
Lol, cement, concrete, tomato, tommato🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
I sheath all exterior walls in either OSB or preferably 1/2" CDX plywood here in Austin. You would need to consult with a structural engineer to see if this is necessary structurally for your location, however full plywood is a best practice regardless of structural minimums. Best, Matt
@gregbartle5956
@gregbartle5956 4 жыл бұрын
7 years late just curious if this has changed? In the video you said treated but here you're saying CDX it looked treated in the video not just exterior grade sheathing
@hammerhead19able
@hammerhead19able 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Learning something new.
@jamesdunn9714
@jamesdunn9714 6 жыл бұрын
24" on center is fine....for non load bearing interior walls. Also a California corner is not as strong, moreover all exterior walls should be 2x6 anyway, not 2x4 and guess what ? 16" on center.
@TheTinkle1
@TheTinkle1 4 жыл бұрын
James Dunn it looked like he had 2x6 exterior walls for this representation on 24 inch centers
@jesseeden5751
@jesseeden5751 5 жыл бұрын
Is your background in insulation or framing.
@TheProCut17
@TheProCut17 4 жыл бұрын
Matt what are your updated thoughts on drywall clips as opposed to the backer board in the 2board corners (cal corner)
@benbarber2369
@benbarber2369 5 жыл бұрын
I wrote an ignorant comment before I knew who Matt is. He is a legend in the Austin area so I tuck my tail and delete my ignorant comment! I know base framing code and quite a lot about most aspects of the home building industry but nothing compared to those on the cutting edge like Matt. He deals with the top 1%of homes for the top 1% of clients. Also Austin is the leading green building city in the country and maybe the world, led by Miki Cook and many others and that is a separate inspection process from the City of Austin, who has incredibly detail oriented inspectors who won’t let anything not up to code slide by, not that Matt ever builds ‘just to code’ as his stuff is way above this. He knows a hundred times what I know about the latest trends so I am embarrassed my comment was here so long looking back at it. Didn’t even remember posting it until someone agreed and I revisited it, having learned more about him and his company since then.
@TheSoYeah
@TheSoYeah 9 жыл бұрын
As a Midwesterner I was shocked when Matt said he was only putting R19 in, I kept thinking the homeowners were going to freeze in the winter
@buildshow
@buildshow 9 жыл бұрын
TheSoYeah The walls are R-19 blown plus we have R-5 exterior rigid foam so the total R value is R24. Remember the point of this video is that not all R-value is the same. If we framed this conventionally then blown in R-19 we would have MUCH less insulation overall with all the thermal bridging. Also, we are in Zone 2. Our winters are rarely below freezing. Our big issue here is heat gain in the winter. It's 104 today and we often get 60+ straight days of summer heat above 100. Thanks for commenting. Matt
@WallStreetBeggar
@WallStreetBeggar 8 жыл бұрын
I read some comments that I can't seem to reply to.. 24 o.c. is legal and will pass inspection, but your shearing is spec differently based on wind loads by engineers, so it'll only pass inspection if your plans allow you to build it that way. While it seems like a decent idea, and appear to save money by using less lumber there's several steps that potentially increases overall labor. For us, labor is more expensive than material 90% of the time. Going back to spec, for us in CA we spec for 80 mph wind loads. Going 24 o.c. means more strap ties, more blocking, etc. The video here, the builder is using LSL studs. That mitigates need for a lot of blocking (unless spec at sheathing edges, or shear transfers at windows, etc), but DF is much more difficult to work with because of the age of the wood, warping, and shrinkage which at 24 o.c. could leave a lot of imperfections (immediate and overtime) to your walls after sheetrock installation. Is 24 o.c. a smarter method of framing? No engineers will go out of their way to spec it for you unless you ask. It makes very little difference in cost, the overall difference in insulation is marginal at best, and overall 24 oc just makes your project indirectly more difficult to work with from my experience. There's a good reason why no one's going 24 o.c any time soon. You'll see engineers who worry about dead load go to a 24 o.c. rafter or floor joist, but from my experience that creates too much bounce and undesirable finish. There are better ways to insulate than just spacing studs the furthest possible distance apart. 24" o.c. is a penny smart, dollar foolish decision. Anyone who suggest otherwise, I'm willing to bet that you're not the one doing the installation and hands on building.
@ryanmarsh7819
@ryanmarsh7819 5 жыл бұрын
Very well put. Best comment I've read on this video yet.
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Jason, That's really cool buddy. This country needs more guys who are studied in building science and have the courage to do the right thing. Sounds to me like you've got a bright future in front of you. Best, Matt
@Tableaux15
@Tableaux15 7 жыл бұрын
Have you thought about using metal banding to create an x on each wall with a nail in each stud that the banding crosses.. It may not seem like much but by doing this the lateral stability is greatly enhanced an at a minimal cost.
@1curt12
@1curt12 8 жыл бұрын
You use 16" on centre over 24". Because if a stud takes off on you the ones beside it help keep the wall looking straight. As well as its structurally more solid and for the few hindered bucks at most it's well worth it
@charlesletson9066
@charlesletson9066 8 жыл бұрын
+curtis munday Exactly. Most of the houses built today will never survive the term of the mortgage. They are falling apart in short order due to skimpy, scrappy lumber and poor craftsmanship. Never go with a builder whose focus is on "less wood".
@emutiny
@emutiny 8 жыл бұрын
+Charles Letson owning a home requires that you maintain it. Also I dont know if you are aware but the terms of the mortgage are irrelevant because nearly all homes are sold before the they are completed. Less wood is a good thing. New materials and cost saving measures are very important to deliver a quality product and stay in business. If your builder suggest something like this all you have to do is say you would prefer a more traditional approach and im sure your contractor would reluctantly oblige. If you think houses built today are weaker than in the past, even a few decades ago, I would call you an idiot.
@markdoumert8488
@markdoumert8488 8 жыл бұрын
+emutiny It wont be delivering a product of greater quality if it is underframed. This is the way walls have been framed since the early 1900s and it works. You dont want a single or even double 2x4 suporting a roof that weighs thousands of pounds over a long span. It may not fall down but it opens the potential for flexing and therefore failure.
@isailwind3471
@isailwind3471 7 жыл бұрын
As soon as he said 24 inch centers i stopped watching.
@omartrevino1529
@omartrevino1529 7 жыл бұрын
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@heavymetalweld805
@heavymetalweld805 6 жыл бұрын
Now I see the reason why I cant find a stud at 16" and why I have stock in drywall patch! Lol good vid.
@bobv8219
@bobv8219 7 жыл бұрын
great tips, I like the pressure treated for 24 inches. I like the California corner for insulation ability. I too agree that 2 by 6 framing 24 on Center is adequate. 2x4 truss floor is good too. I'm sure you deliver a quality product at a fair price. I'm a metal stud framer and have been framing for 28 years our company does a lot of commercial Condominiums in San Francisco
@structuralbd
@structuralbd 2 жыл бұрын
A nice explanation about the advanced framing. Thanks I have learnt many things from here
@robertmccully2792
@robertmccully2792 9 жыл бұрын
Yea he is wrong... i agree with the guys below. It may be advance for insulation but thats it,, tt leaves weak walls. He is saying use 5/8 sheetrock because 2' on center studs would make 1/2 rock to weak.The plywood on bottom and OSB on top make no sense at all except that OSB is cheaper. The blocking at plywood joints is wrong if it is a shear wall. Its all a sales gimmick,, save on wood for cheap house and charge customer for advance framing LOL....
@SuperChuckRaney
@SuperChuckRaney 5 жыл бұрын
he is using what passes for 'stucco' in Texas, he needs the osb to screw the foam down
@randyarmstrong1339
@randyarmstrong1339 8 жыл бұрын
I built my first home in 1978. In California. I've built hundreds since then. "California Corner" was originally coined as a disrespectful term like "California rolling stop". It meant you were cheating and trying to go faster, saving time! You build in Austin and you're worried about the R value you lose with lumber? LMAO! That might make a cool sales pitch to a tree hugger but it will NEVER be noticed on a utility bill even in Alaska. It amazes me how all the newbs in this industry are always trying to eliminate lumber from a structure! I worked for a company a while back that eliminated trimmers from all their door openings saying "they weren't necessary"! Try to hang a solid core door on that! I quit them. Do you seriously think your homes will hold up as long as the old skool methods? SMH! Material is not near the quality it once was. I see 10 year old homes daily that have worse deterioration than one built 50 years ago simply because the lumber, hardware, virtually everything is of lesser quality. Hell, its all made in China! If you want to reinvent the wheel young man you need to think beyond lumber and drywall, etc. Frankly, I can't believe we are still using those materials at this point.
@duelette
@duelette 7 жыл бұрын
Randy Armstrong Right on my friend!
@zone4garlicfarm
@zone4garlicfarm 7 жыл бұрын
I've been working in home repair and remodeling for 20 years and I see a lot of rot in houses that are not old. Most of it has nothing to do with framing and everything to do with trying to be too energy efficient. People go nuts with a caulking gun trying to seal every little opening. That traps moisture and rot is the result. A house needs to breath and water needs a way to drain.
@rogerdjuranic4903
@rogerdjuranic4903 7 жыл бұрын
The Garlic Farm 100% bang on so oversealed that house are rotting inside 15 yrs.think i ll go into reno s i see a lot of potential
@johngritman4840
@johngritman4840 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not a builder though I did have one house built in CT. One the floor joists were put in position, I went to look at the house. Nuts! The floor was not level front to back with the carrier beam running side to side. The builder was not disposed to do any thing, you know "crown up, crown down". I reminded him that the contract called for an inspection by a professional engineer prior to closing. Well, I only had one working eye but I did have a working 6' level. He got the house done and then had to jack up the entire house to recut the beam pockets and replace most of the oak floors!. I've always wondered what that cost him! I caught the windows early and found 6 of 23 were defective. He checked and called me: "John, you're wrong! ALL the **** windows are defective and will be pulled and replaced." Code called for 3" of bats in the room over the garage; I specified 9" - nice warm room. My theory is to invest what is horribly expensive to change after you move in! Now my question is about the caulking and OSB sheathing. What do you do about the fumes? With my first house in OH, we had a wind shear remove 1/3 of the roof and about 20% of the siding. BUT I had a very cooperative insurance company and a very imaginative contractor. The contractor convinced me to use 5/8" rigid Dow Board and to replace the Plexiglas skylights with glass. Best money I spent! Road noise, local and the OH turnpike and trains disappeared. Gas bill went down almost 27%. The buyer HAS to be in control and visit the work site very often if only to ask stupid questions.
@petehonervurgerg337
@petehonervurgerg337 6 жыл бұрын
Roasted
@daviddimascio8973
@daviddimascio8973 3 жыл бұрын
Matts a beauty. Feels like the kinda guy youd like to work for.
@daveosland3199
@daveosland3199 6 жыл бұрын
I like applying the OSB vertically on the walls so as to eliminate all the hours/material of blocking, as well as having a continuous/unbroken tie from floor to ceiling......Ply and OSB are available up to 12' long panels. Some horizontal siding benefits from 16" o.c. framing for the extra fastening points available- they both have their advantages. Thanks for sharing your techniques....
@matt8863
@matt8863 6 жыл бұрын
"Advanced framing by building walls 24" OC" Is a quick way to get a "Red tag" (stop work order) placed by the building department in most areas of the country.
@tomcampbell2627
@tomcampbell2627 5 жыл бұрын
Next we'll show you my company's advanced Square Wheel System.......
@TheWickerShireProject
@TheWickerShireProject 3 жыл бұрын
Great info on lumber saving. Our plans are to 24" on center the tiny home with Cali corners. I think we may go 2x6 for Insulation Value benefits.
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words! My hope is that my videos and blogs will help encourage others to raise the bar on quality expectations. Best, Matt
@shanemarcotte2062
@shanemarcotte2062 10 жыл бұрын
I framed homes for 21 years and Im here to tell you, 24 oc studs, bump into that sheetrock wall! I bet you will almost go thru it versus 16 on center. At 3:08 the freaking anchor bolt is half way out of the wall lol thats really secure eh?? Ive used California corners and im okay with that. 2X6 wall studs, 5/8ths sheet rock and non OSB plywood is going to cost someone out of the ass. Ah, the young "educated" guys just know it all dont they?
@johnsonsjoyride8179
@johnsonsjoyride8179 10 жыл бұрын
Construction is now done by what the computer program says will work. Lets just hope and pray.
@sainbayarb
@sainbayarb 10 жыл бұрын
Computer program VS experience
@clobbopus_used_beat
@clobbopus_used_beat 10 жыл бұрын
How does the depth of the anchor bolt have anything to do with stud spacing or thickness or anything but incorrect installation?
@Johnintoit
@Johnintoit 10 жыл бұрын
I'm building a house next year using 2x6 studs on the exterior and it seems to me that using open cell insulation would also add some rigidity to the walls as well as the 5/8 drywall, I don't think I can go with 24 oc studs but maybe that's just my neanderthal brain that won't let me, the California corners are amazing though.
@BULLOCK1973
@BULLOCK1973 10 жыл бұрын
$26 for plywood per sheet is just to expensive. All products are designed for 16" centres. Have fun hanging cupboards!, securing baseboard! Etc..
@11219tt
@11219tt 8 жыл бұрын
I have an odd question: I've been doing research for my own house build. I've settled on the pole barn style instead of this type of traditional American framing. The reason for my choice is how much sturdier a pole barn style seems to be compared to this style. Also it will be cheaper for me to pour concrete pillars for each pole rather than a whole slab. My question: How come no contractors do a pole style when building a modern house? Why is it standard to do load bearing walls instead? Would love it if your answered, but any professional can chime in. Thanks!
@buildshow
@buildshow 8 жыл бұрын
It's mainly cost and speed related. Platform framing is relatively fast and using 2x studs is pretty affordable compared to large timber.
@Scorn268
@Scorn268 7 жыл бұрын
+Matt Risinger Hello matt! Which costs more to build a house, a house built on cement(steel bars, hollowblocks, sand, etc) or a house built on wood (drywall, nails, insulation, etc)?
@bodajenkins
@bodajenkins 7 жыл бұрын
Look into Timber frame skinned with SIPs (Structural Insulated Panel).
@rayh.4455
@rayh.4455 7 жыл бұрын
One of the other reasons that many people do not build this way is banks may not provide a loan to help you build this home. Another reason you don't see many of these is many building codes will need updated to catch up.
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 6 жыл бұрын
SIP works just as well over lumber framing.
@kjdogbuster
@kjdogbuster 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos Matt, thanks
@ersaza1990
@ersaza1990 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt I've been debating on doing 24" oc framing but I'm not sold on the floor yet. Have you had any problems with it?
@chadcooper9116
@chadcooper9116 8 жыл бұрын
I think Matt is very experienced and knows his market and modern building. I have to say, however, I would agree with the carpenter Larry Haun who goes with traditional 16" OC for studs.
@11219tt
@11219tt 8 жыл бұрын
Larry haun also does some weird spacing with his studs which makes a nightmare for the sheet rock crew. Or so I've heard.
@simmonsmb411
@simmonsmb411 7 жыл бұрын
When it catches on fire it is an extreme hazard for firefighters. Engineered lumber can't hold up under fire loads and can be the killer of firefighters.
@cargogh
@cargogh 11 жыл бұрын
I always hear what not to do, but actually learn from examples of how to do instead. You provided good alternatives. I appreciate your excellent verbal skills so I can concentrate on the video and not correct grammar in my head.
@WhatIsKenDoing
@WhatIsKenDoing 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping to keep me in business by telling people less framing is a good idea. Almost every 24oc house I work in has bowed, crooked or wavy walls. There isn't enough structure in 24oc framing. The house moves too much. Needing to put blocking in your walls also negates your argument about getting more insulation in the walls. In an 8 foot span you're only saving one stud because my 16oc wall doesn't need blocking. Besides, there is almost no thermal transfer in a 2x6, especially in a mild climate. But to each his own.
@johnnybarbar7435
@johnnybarbar7435 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly....the poster is just trying to market a product that puts more $ in his pocket and 24" OC floor trusses...LOL Might as well have your house prefabbed in China and shipped over in containers
@trevorlambert4226
@trevorlambert4226 7 жыл бұрын
Your statement, "there is almost no thermal transfer in a 2x6" is patently false. It may matter less in a mild climate, but that is an entirely separate matter. A 2x6 on edge has an R-value of about 6.8, vs the insulation which is about R-20. That being said, I have to agree that increasing the spacing from 16 to 24 is going to have a pretty minimal effect on total R value. A much better solution would be to do a 2x4 double stud wall, which would eliminate virtually all thermal bridging.
@davidconover2905
@davidconover2905 5 жыл бұрын
16 o.c. is overkill 24 o.c. is more than enough. Yeah right, not on my house you won't !!!
@francisfallon
@francisfallon 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt! Thanks again. Always so useful. Does 'the perfect wall' system contradict this in any way? Ie. Is an R10 header okay? Can the home be framed 2x6, 24 oc, if I wanted a similar look as your white home build that had zero sheetrock? Thank you.
@mjhickson4339
@mjhickson4339 3 жыл бұрын
So glad he brought up the 5/8 drywall i was gonna chirp hard on wavy walls, joint cracks and screw pops with 1/2 inch on 24”. Good video !
@mjhickson4339
@mjhickson4339 3 жыл бұрын
I might add 16” is still better, especially for finish work. id rather save money by working more efficiently and not cutting materials.
@ODCDragon88
@ODCDragon88 7 жыл бұрын
As an Electrician I personally WILL NOT wire a house built like this. I always end up adding in spacer studs to attach my wall boxes to because I have very limited wall area to land my outlet and switch boxes properly. I've also noticed builders are now using headers ALL around the perimeter of the house and I refuse to drill up a header to get my wire through it. I recommend traditional construction and will keep major cost down with the other trades that need to come in and do their work. Builders come up with all these "NEW" better idea but are only keeping their out of pocket costs down to pad their wallets and shafts all the other trades. This is a joke for a build.
@claytonfink3972
@claytonfink3972 5 жыл бұрын
OberDragon88 you don't UNDERSTAND the power of insulation. you're too lazy to drill holes? get serious
@billymorgan7717
@billymorgan7717 5 жыл бұрын
I simply wouldn’t hire you for the job. I can always find another electrician.
@jurnagin
@jurnagin 5 жыл бұрын
OberDragon88 you have to suit yourself to the situation! Us a little bit of both methods! Sometimes you'll have more plumbing on a wall, therefore 2 by 6 would be better,
@derekcorreia7135
@derekcorreia7135 5 жыл бұрын
haha wow they do not understand, drilling a hole through the stud weakens the stud not by half but by sides, it's ok build ur house of foam, be careful! I feel a stiff wind coming hahaha!
@chetthejet3896
@chetthejet3896 5 жыл бұрын
Keep what you call your standards and soon you will be out of business.
@superdoubt
@superdoubt 5 жыл бұрын
You can buy a shed at Lowe's built on twenty four in centers, I guess those are "advanced sheds"... And mobile homes and RVs have used polyfoam insulation for decades, so what is so advanced about this?
@darrencrowley7951
@darrencrowley7951 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome, Matt good info. getting ready to build my retirement home and I will definitely employ these techniques. what about a video on the Owens blown in insulation you mentioned in this video. Thanks again keep em coming
@buildshow
@buildshow 7 жыл бұрын
+Darren Crowley thanks Darren! Not a huge fan of that OC system anymore
@cobone1457
@cobone1457 9 жыл бұрын
All homes should be framed 16 inches on center.Saving money is all i see.
@buildshow
@buildshow 9 жыл бұрын
₪cobone₪ I'm sorry that you can't see the benefits beyond the cost savings. This was a cost-plus project so any savings were passed along to my client. The main reason to use Advanced Framing is for energy efficiency, the savings is a side benefit. Matt
@themaximusone
@themaximusone 9 жыл бұрын
Matt Risinger I will take the old style of framing over the new however, Insulation is always a perk and the only point's I agree on are the cali corners and the insulated headers those make sense but for less cracking as we tend to see in the old homes i will stay with 16 OC on all walls, these new homes today are cheaply built the builders of today are nothing like the builders of yesterday, people today are more interested in a fast buck vs pride and more about advertising and saving a dollar as opposed to saving a future problem :-/ nice video tho
@cobone1457
@cobone1457 9 жыл бұрын
KB MILLER Well said.
@kondasixtytoo487
@kondasixtytoo487 6 жыл бұрын
KB Miller, you need to become educated about the subject prior to making opinions public
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 6 жыл бұрын
Houses should not be stick built, period. Semi-skilled construction labor sucks as badly as self-educated construction "experts". Quality of engineering/labor/workmanship, has more to do with the quality of a finished product than materials. The materials must match the engineering requirements, must be installed to meet those requirements, and TOC, not price of materials or energy loss, is the primary requirement unless you are stupid.
@Jappbox
@Jappbox 10 жыл бұрын
I did Pure Advanced framing on my personal home, here in Iowa. Single top plate, Header hangers, no jack studs, and single headers pushed to outside. We also did 2x6 24" centers but I did 5/8" OSB on outside ran horizontal and no joints over windows, really makes it strong, Pure 2 stud corners but no clips use Metal Drywall Strips Ask your drywall guy they use them a lot on Ceilings to help with future cracking. Also did 5/8" drywall on outside walls. We did 24" center in whole house but Used High strength 1/2 on inside walls. R-5 Foam on outside taped no Tyvek. HERS score of 47 with hybrid 2 stage Air Heat pump/ 97% 2 stage furnace. Zone 5 climate. First home done this way with Indoor Air plus and Energy star 3.0+
@loganpatterson4674
@loganpatterson4674 6 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@hughjazzole2037
@hughjazzole2037 6 жыл бұрын
I would think that ANY houses in tornado zones would be built using buckminster Fuller s design.. an octogon or better yet upside down saucer form so that the winds wouldnt get a hold of it.
@NicholasLittlejohn
@NicholasLittlejohn 5 жыл бұрын
Smart man!
@auer-9993
@auer-9993 8 жыл бұрын
Personaly I have 30 yrs experience framing as the typical "California Framer" & I think he has some great ideas on being innovative but I did find some weak points on this method #1 structual sheathing has its shear strength vertically not horizontally. #2 all sheathing seams should be side by side & landing on a doubler or a 3x (I prefer a 3x4 for 2x4 walls & double 2x6 for 2x6 walls) less bowage that way & the truss joists are new to me & would choose "TJI Silent Floor Joists" for all 2nd story & up applications. I need to start making videos & stop swinging my mag 77 for a living.
@buildshow
@buildshow 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments. I've not seen a 3x before. Interesting idea. TJI's are great but when you need duct space the 2x4 truss is tough to beat. As always verify your framing plans with an Engineer based on your climate, seismic, wind, and snow loads. Lastly, yes please start making videos. We need more 30 year veteran framers teaching the young guys your craftsmanship and techniques. Best, Matt
@Richard-Burdett-Bow
@Richard-Burdett-Bow 8 жыл бұрын
Try to walk on the sheathing on 2' oc if you stand it vertical. There's a reason it's called osb. Osb on vertical is strong enough if the studs are @ 16" oc.
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician 8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Burdett I walk on sheathing that is at 2' OC all the time. The roof trusses are on 2' centers.
@Richard-Burdett-Bow
@Richard-Burdett-Bow 8 жыл бұрын
+Jim Watson depends on thickness, type and direction. 2' oc osb 3/8" the correct way yes you can walk on it. If its the wrong direction vs the strength axis then it will not be strong enough.
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician 8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Burdett I've never heard of anyone sheathing a roof with 3/8" OSB. I use 15/32" with plywood clips in between the trusses, and of course the length of the panels run perpendicular to the trusses.
@mattvanbecelaere
@mattvanbecelaere 9 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm currently debating floor truss (12" deep, 18' span) spacing (19.2 vs 24). I would really like to go to 24" spacing for many reasons but am concerned about overall stiffness and added cost for thicker subfloor and gypsum. I have also heard floor trusses on 24" centers can be noisy. 19.2 appears to be a reasonable compromise but seems to be more challenging to coordinate with sheet goods and wall framing not to mention more challenging MEP coordination (this is a small house, space is at a premium and I would like all systems in floor cavity). Does 1-1/8" decking resolve issues at 24" spacing? I guess I am trying to determine if the cost of the decking is less cumbersome than the issues created by 19.2" centers. Any experienced, productive feedback would be appreciated.
@franklinyearwood8467
@franklinyearwood8467 9 жыл бұрын
On 16 oc studs can I install horizontal bars at every 48"?
@rollingtones1
@rollingtones1 5 жыл бұрын
It’s a concrete slab, not a cement slab. Cement comes in bags.
@user-fi6tq3mo3q
@user-fi6tq3mo3q 7 жыл бұрын
What's the advantage of 24' center vs 16' center other than $$$.
@rickteran1927
@rickteran1927 7 жыл бұрын
Less lumber that doesn't insulate as well as foam or fiberglass.
@johnnybarbar7435
@johnnybarbar7435 7 жыл бұрын
More $ in the contractor's pocket
@chrisjohnson4666
@chrisjohnson4666 7 жыл бұрын
well according to the engineer a few quotes back the 2 x 6 wall on 24 inch centers is 65 percent stronger than a 2x4 wall on 16 inch centers... I used to do fire investigation and remember reading 100 year old literature comparing balloon construction vs modern framing and the That's the way we've always done it crowd swore not having 20 foot long single piece studs vs the 8footers today would cause weakness because of the joints... The deal here is your buying into the system one the 2x6 vs 2x4 two the full sheathing then the 5/8 drywall and overlooked here is rigid spray foam which from my research appears to stiffen the structure and locks the wall together adding to lateral stability... it's an interesting system... now you really want to add strength use SYP studs... we used them on our new house excellent strength...
@trueRocc
@trueRocc 7 жыл бұрын
C and K Early Warning Systems lol. i read that too. not sure how but hey whatever floats his boat
@raymondhorn8121
@raymondhorn8121 4 жыл бұрын
As usual a very informative video. I've watched your other video concerning T-Studs and am wondering what is better? Do you plan to complete a comparison video?
@0475Mike
@0475Mike 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Mat. Why do you have horizontal blocking at the 5-6' level? Also w the 5/8" drywall, is there any insurance advantages? As you now have a 1 hour wall. Do you also,hang 5/8's on the lids?
@jwiz8586
@jwiz8586 8 жыл бұрын
This is called "light construction". It is a design that insures reduced cost, quicker collapse in fire, dead firefighters, more lost homes. Oh yeah and did I mention it saves a little bit of money?
@EngNerdGMN
@EngNerdGMN 5 жыл бұрын
You're full of shit. 2x6s last a lot longer in a fire than 2x4s. Also 2x6 on 24" costs MORE than 2x4 on 16". Your statements is 100% false.
@saltamura4380
@saltamura4380 5 жыл бұрын
Any framing which incorporates osb and lightweight trusses should never be called advanced framing. It's total shit and will fall apart. This cheap construction is engineered with zero safety factors for cost efficiency whereas legacy constructed homes are overbuilt and include safety factors which was unbeknownst to the carpenters in that time period. The guy said it himself in his own video. If there is any lateral loading of the wall studs and support is lost there will be a longer span of the structure being held up by other structural elements. That being said, you're probably an engineer who gets paid to design these bullshit framing products which nowadays is all cheap garbage. Would you put your family in a home which when lit on fire will fall into the earth in 10 minutes??
@EngNerdGMN
@EngNerdGMN 5 жыл бұрын
Salt amura Clearly you have no idea how engineering works. ALL engineered designs have safety factors. Do you honestly think when we design for a 90mph wind that the structure will topple at 91mph? Just because it isn’t built like a bank vault doesn’t mean it’s not safe. And I would gladly put my entire family in a house that I’ve engineered, in fact once we figure out where we want to build we will do exactly that.
@EngNerdGMN
@EngNerdGMN 5 жыл бұрын
​@Clyde 1066 The entire purpose of engineering is to design something that will support the load for minimal cost. Engineers are very cost contentious because it's a major part of our profession. We know there's no such thing as a blank check and that it all boils down to a cost/benefit analysis. So the idea that somehow "bean counters" determine what an engineer designs is laughable. Even if there were accountants pressuring engineers (I've never seen it), the engineer is the one stamping the design and thus has full control. Engineers are continuously working on new design methods in order to meet design criteria. If we can come up with a method that is lighter/stronger/cheaper/quicker/etc, there's a cost savings and it can generate a ton of work. Perhaps next time you're sleeping in a drafty mud hut you'll appreciate the engineering that has gone into developing a modern house.
@kastaway2
@kastaway2 7 жыл бұрын
What will drive all of this/codes is the unions. Not saying this is good or bad but it is what it is. The University of Minnesota built a new football stadium less than 5 years ago. They tried to make it as "green" as possible, so they installed urinals that required no water. Long story short is that the union ran water to every urinal in the stadium. The water is not connected however. That's the code.
@jefferyrbrown
@jefferyrbrown 5 жыл бұрын
lol. codes have NOTHING to do with unions. if you understood ANYTHING about building, you'd know that stadiums and houses aren't even built by the same kinds of contractors...nor do the same codes apply
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
Ladder framing. Best, MR
@johnmorlan1790
@johnmorlan1790 8 жыл бұрын
When you sprayed the ceiling joist cavities, was there also batting above the foam? I am doing some remodeling in the Houston area and trying to decide how to tackle the ceiling insulation.
@madim207
@madim207 8 жыл бұрын
Good job placing the anchors outside the wall (3:00) you had 5 1/2" and still missed.
@11219tt
@11219tt 8 жыл бұрын
I saw that too. I'm not a carpenter or in a trade at all, and still thought it was odd.
@brooksbaker3470
@brooksbaker3470 7 жыл бұрын
being that he is the contractor on this build he obviously wasn't the one that put that sill bolt their. these kind of things happen on almost every project. your ignorance is comical though.
@Solanrage
@Solanrage 7 жыл бұрын
Brooks is right. The masons that poured the slab are most likely at fault because they are the ones that put the bolts in. I would bet that bottom plate is right where it needs to be, flush with the outside of the foundation.
@JohnZonneveld
@JohnZonneveld 7 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be offset in stead of flush with the foundation to allow the brick veneer rest on the foundation? Or will it be flush when using siding?
@jerryleroy2148
@jerryleroy2148 7 жыл бұрын
Probably changed his mind from brick or stone, to siding. Make even more money right? And where I live it is against code to build with 24 inch O.C. You can't use 2by4's either. Only for a garage or shed.
@albertj3421
@albertj3421 6 жыл бұрын
hmmm.. lots of comments here from the " I read this in a book" crowd.
@grantbratrud4949
@grantbratrud4949 4 жыл бұрын
That project looks good. For my last project in an 8800 Heating Degree Day area in the Upper Midwest I used 2x6 studs on 24" centers with an inch of XPS sheet under the T1-11 sheet siding (minimal budget rural project). We believed the excellent Marvin Windows were worth the price for their double glazing, the low-e coating, the argon gas fill, and fine quality and aesthetics. Window area was limited to a percent of the floor area, and positioned to favor passive gain (calculated eaves overhang to shade the sills between the equinoxes). We ordered roof trusses with a 16" energy heel, and blew in R60-depth insulation. 3/4" rock in the ceilings. The big thing for comfort was radiant in-floor heating, an extremely tightly-sealed space, and positive, continuous ventilation at a calculated rate, with a 60' run of buried (under the footings to grade, sloped lot) make-up air duct for earth-tempering. Where I live now, nearly 11,000 HDD climate, I'd do it a bit differently, obviously. OTH, the principles are the same, tight house, positive make-up tempered ventilation, no cold surfaces, high mean radiant temperature... comfortable for babies!
@cirlleemolandjr3342
@cirlleemolandjr3342 4 жыл бұрын
when your rafters are 24"on center, what size sheetrock should be used to prevent sagging
@rogerdjuranic4903
@rogerdjuranic4903 7 жыл бұрын
so you save a couple hundred bucks on lumber and add5x the cost for insulation wow good job saving the clients money maybe you can let them know about the 8$/mth they ll save on energy costs due there high cost insulation
@danielfher566
@danielfher566 5 жыл бұрын
You get a better r value on your house. As far as 24 OC your trusses are also 24 oc, unless your going to 16oc trusses which I've never seen on a residential project. The only time you add more wood is for weight transfer. At that point you have no measurements it just goes to were you need it. As far as joist on those walls its engineer for the weights. As far as material it's more then a couple hundred dollars that you save. By doing this. Which only transfers to the customer. You should read a bit about weight charts for material to understand why you won't run into issues. If done properly.
@Noghri
@Noghri 5 жыл бұрын
$8/mo * 12 mo/yr = $96/yr and utility prices are constantly rising. So in a few years it'd pay for the insulation. Now multiple that by decades and account for the inflating costs of utilities... Oh I guess you're right, the math obviously doesn't make sense! How stupid of us, any pea-brain could see this! Guess we should rip it all out and start over now. =(
@98370alberto
@98370alberto 5 жыл бұрын
That better be a one flat house..cause if it's a two storey or more.. he's definitely gotta use good old "traditional" framing.. 😁😁
@timetrialsc
@timetrialsc 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed watching this video. I was a carpenter for 20 years and now am in health care. We are preparing to build a mountain cabin and we're considering using 2x6 for exterior walls as you recommend. Back in the day I asked a builder why we did not insulate the empty spaces in corners and inside headers. He told me dead air space was a good insulator too. I accepted this and never questioned the information. Does dead air space have any insulaing value?
@chriscraft77022
@chriscraft77022 7 жыл бұрын
damn, dude... i just learned a lot... that advanced framing makes so much sense... and that california corner... DANG... makes so much sense... good video.... NO BS
@buildshow
@buildshow 7 жыл бұрын
+Chris Craft thanks buddy!
@jrippee05
@jrippee05 8 жыл бұрын
The real question is, will the building inspector pass off on that.
@trueRocc
@trueRocc 7 жыл бұрын
James R yup
@misterhat5823
@misterhat5823 6 жыл бұрын
I'm not a contractor, but that was my first question. I've never seen, nor heard of, anything other than 16" being used.
@jasonmcmillan6598
@jasonmcmillan6598 6 жыл бұрын
yes- all of the uniform building codes have this method of framing approved.
@hofy3393
@hofy3393 6 жыл бұрын
It would not pass local codes around here. I have seen houses framed 24oc and failing the inspection and having to start over.
@toddhagist8395
@toddhagist8395 8 жыл бұрын
24" on center? Not here you will not pass your framing inspection unless you're living in a garage (Mich)
@BenjaminEsposti
@BenjaminEsposti 5 жыл бұрын
That's probably because you can get heavy snow loads and wind loads in Michigan. But I agree with you, would rather have 16 inch on center or even 12 inch if it needs to be really strong. The better choice would be to go with a double-studded wall. It's even better at reducing HVAC costs than the 2x6 on 24" centers.
@cspbldg
@cspbldg 5 жыл бұрын
Benjamin Esposti 5/8 board good luck using a 4 9/16 prehung door lol
@jonathan-emilypowell1962
@jonathan-emilypowell1962 5 жыл бұрын
@Frost I'm a big believer in overkill on anything structural and needs to last good to see more people are 👍
@ebox008
@ebox008 5 жыл бұрын
I used to leave in a garage and the walls where 16 inch on center. No insulation no drywall.
@redsquirrelftw
@redsquirrelftw 4 жыл бұрын
Ideally if you're building your own house you want to find land in an unorganized township so you don't need permits or inspections or any of that BS. Then you can just build everything better above code. Some inspectors can be really strict and want everything to code, no more no less.
@frankda4
@frankda4 3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a comparison with the OG tradition of timber framing vs traditional stick framing and advance framing.
@timschrock
@timschrock 11 жыл бұрын
I agree, just wanted to share a real-world experience with the board. :) All the best, Tim
@RobertJamesChinneryH
@RobertJamesChinneryH 7 жыл бұрын
my house built in 1910 with double brick will be around long after any chipboard slap ups built today will be sitting in the dust
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 6 жыл бұрын
But when we run out of coal and gas, you will be unable to afford to heat that old brick house with solar. I love brick, but if it doesn't include >R20 between the courses, it isn't suitable for areas where significant heating or cooling is needed. It can be, and at a cost aboiut 15% higher than for frame, but you need to have a GOOD architect and engineer, not a GC who thinks he know how to design.
@dlakerguy
@dlakerguy 4 жыл бұрын
@@psdaengr911 We wont run out of coal or gas in our lifetimes.
@bradkeegan5935
@bradkeegan5935 4 жыл бұрын
That's relevant, how?
@lyfandeth
@lyfandeth 6 жыл бұрын
24" studs? Sure, that's up to code. Oops, the nice inspector in any urban area will tell you to tesr it down, and do it again on 16" centers.
@bullionhomeinspections2473
@bullionhomeinspections2473 4 жыл бұрын
Lyfan Deth 24” span is ok when using 2x6...not 2x4’s.
@bradkeegan5935
@bradkeegan5935 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought... This is a new home construction guy, doing a video, showing how fucking cheap they are... Not to code, won't be strong. Way to expose yourself you dumb fuck
@jeffreyferguson83
@jeffreyferguson83 4 жыл бұрын
Brad Keegan Dude chill, no need to call names and cuss. Did you see the part where he shows it being insulated? Well you can’t insulate Without a Framing inspection, But if you’re a carpenter or contractor You know That right? Also he shear paneled the whole house which Again you know That adds structural integrity
@jwhit6047
@jwhit6047 4 жыл бұрын
Most local codes only require 24" centers. The reason people don't do it is because traditional sheetrock will start to sag between the studs after time. However they make lite sheetrock now that would probably be just fine. 16" centers is still what I recommend, but if you want better insulation you could try it.
@JoeLarge
@JoeLarge 11 жыл бұрын
Getting off on a tangent makes you human...nice bubble, nice use of drawing for cold corner great work. You Da man...
@Bigrignohio
@Bigrignohio 11 жыл бұрын
Do you install full headers above every door and window, including ones located on non load-bearing walls? I have seen publications and details where non load-bearing walls will omit headers as unnecessary. I imagine that does have implications on finishing/flashing/etc.
@mikejones-ss7rt
@mikejones-ss7rt 6 жыл бұрын
2 ft on center and you better have used 5/8 drywall or it will look like crap.
@falcondriver100
@falcondriver100 8 жыл бұрын
"Advanced framing"......euphemism for cheaply built house to maximize profit for the builder.
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician 8 жыл бұрын
+falcondriver100 Are you a framer and do you have any idea what you're talking about?
@falcondriver100
@falcondriver100 8 жыл бұрын
Jim Watson No, I'm a mechanical engineer and yes, I know what I'm talking about.
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician 8 жыл бұрын
+falcondriver100 Then maybe you would care to elaborate on your blanket statement that ""Advanced framing"......euphemism for cheaply built house" Explain to me how his California corner is of poor construction.
@falcondriver100
@falcondriver100 8 жыл бұрын
Jim Watson Its 101 my dear Watson, when you use half the material in ANY construction it inherently weaker......... especially laterally.
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician
@JimWatsonTheframingMagician 8 жыл бұрын
+falcondriver100 In the field you have only one stud every 16" (if that is the layout you are using) Are you saying that there is not enough lateral strength at these positions? If there is,why would you need more at the corners? If you'll look at 4:41 in the video you will see that there are 3 studs in very close proximity to each other. Should I use more studs than what is shown, eliminate areas for insulation, and wast material?
@buildshow
@buildshow 11 жыл бұрын
I'm an avid student of Building Science. If you're new to Building Science I'd recommend buying the "Builders Guide" to your climate zone written by Dr Joe Lstiburek. Matt Risinger
@DonTruman
@DonTruman Жыл бұрын
Looks like that book is out of print now. Any other recommendations?
@LukeSkaff
@LukeSkaff 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome work, can you please do a video on how you do the exterior rigid foam.
@Grouperhound
@Grouperhound 8 жыл бұрын
Lots of fun comments here. As with any industry the traditionalists have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future. I know, I worked in the car industry and watched the Big 3 get their asses handed to them. They were building old school heavy shit that was unreliable and inefficient. I'm now in a position financially to have a custom house built, but some of the comments here from so called craftsman concern me. They may be exceptional carpenters, which I greatly admire, but really, what qualifications do you have regarding structural strength calculations. A 2x6 24"OC wall has a greater section strength than 2x4 16"OC. A semester of college level Strength of Materials will teach you that, so how can pounding nails for 25 years somehow make you qualified to dispute that. This kind of construction is being studied and has been proven. As a lay person even I can go do a little research and find that. Scary shit.
@Nphen
@Nphen 6 жыл бұрын
Most of the comparisons are people who insanely overbuild, with 2x6 boards at 16" OC. To get an "apples to apples" lumber savings, we also have to consider 2x6 boards for 16" OC vs 24" OC. The main difference between traditional and this video is the horizontal blocking, which he doesn't explain to us at all.
@xallthatremains8339
@xallthatremains8339 6 жыл бұрын
Just because it's new doesn't make it better. Roofing contractors in the 90's thought staple guns were the "future" and became popular to nail shingles down quick. That is until entire sections of shingles started pulling right off in the wind!
@joshuafulton1625
@joshuafulton1625 6 жыл бұрын
As a layperson you are missing the forest for the trees. Why would 2x6, 24” centers and 2x4, 16” centers be your only option? How about 2x6, 16” centers? You’re focused on volume of insulation. Any simple internet search would reveal air sealing is regarded as the standard for insulation, not insulation mass. In Michigan there isn’t even a prescriptive insulation allowance anymore, it’s simply a blower door test (air leaking detection). Perhaps the problem is you feel you’re an expert after a misleading internet search?
@jickdespain3334
@jickdespain3334 6 жыл бұрын
Grouperhound Sorry you're missing the point. 16"OC is better if you plan on living in your home. When your trying to find the perfect place to mount the trophy walleye then 16oc makes sense. Down the road maybe you want to add some cabinets, 16oc will make life easier. Kids bounce off a wall roughhousing, 16oc to the rescue.
@krehbein
@krehbein 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting take. I know your just throwing out examples, but keep in mind when you hang things from a wall, between studs, theres plenty of options that are plenty strong for something thats
@tommythompsonsurfer
@tommythompsonsurfer 5 жыл бұрын
OSB SHEER PANELS ARE WAY MORE STRUCTURALLY EFFICIENT.... AND WAY ..LESS EXPENSIVE...STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND REASONABLE CONSTRUCTION COSTS!!!
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