Aer Lingus A321neo declared MAYDAY due to fire in the galley. Washington Dulles. Real ATC

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THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
15-OCT-2022. An Aer Lingus Airbus A321neo (A21N), registration EI-LRG, performing flight EIN11P / EI116 from Washington Dulles International Airport, DC (USA) to Dublin International Airport (Ireland) after departure stopped climb about at 4000 feet, declared MAYDAY, reported oven fire in the rear galley and requested return back. On the way back the crew downgraded the situation and declared PAN-PAN. As they said, the fire in the galley was extinguished.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Departure and initial climb
00:57 The crew declared MAYDAY
02:15 Aer Lingus 11P started the approach. PAN-PAN
03:54 The pilots contacted Tower controller
04:38 Landing
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THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.

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@morg4 Жыл бұрын

Lol I was on this plane, was very relaxed situation - all we knew was there an issue with the oven, no idea about the fire until we landed and saw all the emergency vehicles. Still took the same plane after 2 hours on the tarmac - but there was no hot food obviously 😂 the whole crew were great

@YouCanSeeATC Жыл бұрын

😄. Thank you for the information 🙂

@GreatCdn59 Жыл бұрын

sometimes when watching these videos, I wonder what the passengers were feeling/thinking. Thanks for the comment. Glad to hear it wasn't too scary!

@msjdb723 Жыл бұрын

@@GreatCdn59 Me too!

@penguins9645 Жыл бұрын

Wow, absolutely flawless handling by ATC, immediate clearance & vectors as soon as the emergency was declared. The pilots had their hands full.

@roberthudson1959 Жыл бұрын

Don't agree. He asked for fuel remaining in flight time remaining, got it, then asked for fuel remaining by weight.

@karhukivi Жыл бұрын

@@roberthudson1959 The mayday call was downgraded to pan; fuel in time to facilitate handling and in weight to assess the fire hazard.

@kirilmihaylov1934 Жыл бұрын

@@karhukivi was their fire

@armoredgaming2352 Жыл бұрын

that's what working inside the DC SFRA does to you! one of the most stressful environments, considering that KIAD isn't all too busy compared to other major airports

@PerfectlyImperfect614 Жыл бұрын

“I’ll give it to you in kilograms…” = “no time for converting to imperialism” 🤣😂

@JayJay5244 Жыл бұрын

Which is ironic considering the altitude is still given in feet 😂

@leifvejby8023 Жыл бұрын

@@JayJay5244 Altitude is given in ft prevent confusion with visual range given in meters. Or speed given in kts.

@JayJay5244 Жыл бұрын

@@leifvejby8023 I’m no pilot just an aviation enthusiast so forgive my ignorance but I’ve never heard of visual ranges being given in kilometers. Even when talking about airport distances or close by traffic, it’s all given in miles as far as I’ve heard. And yeah speed being in knots has a historical reason I guess. Much was copy/pasted from the maritime culture.

@78bollox Жыл бұрын

Imperial measurement - lbs / stone / ounces etc Imperialism - policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force. 😂 But you're kind of right anyway

@JayJay5244 Жыл бұрын

@@78bollox lol I think it was suppose to be a joke 😂

@D-C. Жыл бұрын

And this is why I like a human being sat up front controlling my plane, not a computer. The epitome of what a good pilot should be like. Excellent work from all concerned.

@MrLee025 Жыл бұрын

Near 21 tonnes of fuel on board. That A321 neo is a monster

@brianlacroix822 Жыл бұрын

it's just a simp version of a 757

@Therealprinceofcobh Жыл бұрын

@@brianlacroix822 but it’s not though it’s a much better aircraft

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

That a small passenger jet...!!

@cedarkey Жыл бұрын

Nicely handled by the crew. Not rushed into a quick return, but only accepted vectors when they were ready. The word ‘Standby’ used to very good effect, to tell ATC to essentially ‘leave them alone’ as they’re busy with flying the aircraft, going through checklists, liaising with flight attendants etc. ☘️

@RLTtizME Жыл бұрын

Do you usually over-think everything?

@chapuisat9978 Жыл бұрын

and why do not rush into quick return? active fire onboard is an immediate return to field. no matter what. just like ATC said. Right turn to field.

@QFWP Жыл бұрын

@@chapuisat9978 I'd think the pilots had the best knowledge about what they are trained to do in this situation. They had faith that if the FA's told them the fire was out, then it was. Downgrading from Emergency to PAN is then appropriate. Run all the checklists for fire emergency, then returning they'd have considered an overweight landing and getting set up for 19L. Lots of things for them to do, prioritise and return safely to field all in good time.

@ihateusernamesgrrr Жыл бұрын

@@QFWP Pan is still an emergency, it's just not imminent threat to life in the same way a mayday is. Also "faith" isn't a word I ever want to hear muttered from a pilot. Either the pilot knows or they don't know. If they are relying on faith then everybody onboard is up shit creek. I don't really have any problem with your comment but words do matter and the definitions associated make a whole world of difference. I would respond differently to somebody telling me "this is what I know" compared to "I have faith that everything is fine". That said ATC should respond the same to both "mayday mayday mayday" and "panpan panpan" in giving both urgency as they are both emergency calls. Although a pan call might not need the trucks, situational context would determine that not some rando comment like mine online lol.

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

If you really have a fire....you RUSH....

@alansimpson596 Жыл бұрын

Aer Lingus is a great airline and the professionalism of their crews is well demonstrated in this reconstruction.

@YouCanSeeATC Жыл бұрын

👍😎

@JohnDoe-sg1pd Жыл бұрын

Shamrock pilots really are excellent.

@austintx_planespotter8561 Жыл бұрын

Okay, who forgot the pie in the oven.

@AlaskaErik Жыл бұрын

My first thought was the previous crew left something combustible in the oven and the new crew did not verify the oven was empty.

@EdOeuna Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard stories about things being out in the oven, including someone’s damp shoes, so it could have been anything.

@brianlacroix822 Жыл бұрын

@@AlaskaErik it's up to the caterers to properly load the racks of Y meals and to ensure the oven is clear of anything before they load the racks. and it's up to the airline to maintain the ovens so they don't short. oven fires are very simple to fight even an fa can do it.

@AlaskaErik Жыл бұрын

@@brianlacroix822 So you're willing to trust a minimum wage caterer to do their job properly?! I spent a career in aviation and we always backed each other up. FAs should always inspect each oven before they turn them on. They were the last link in the error chain in this situation and bear part of the blame.

@brianlacroix822 Жыл бұрын

@@AlaskaErik we don't even know what happened

@Airblader Жыл бұрын

"Fuel in minutes?" *Gives it in hours* "Do you have that in pounds?" "I can give it in kg"

@grinner2916 Жыл бұрын

In that situation the crew have got to fly the aeroplane, coordinate checklists, communicate with the cabin crew and debrief for the return - they are not doing nothing when you can't hear them talking!. In other words, their workload would have been quite high and to be asked for fuel in minutes takes brainpower to convert the amount on board into hours then minutes - much easier to give an estimate based on planned flight time and reserves without then multiplying by 60. Also, around the rest of the world, fuel gauges display contents in Kgs not pounds. Again, easier to read off the dial than to use extra brainpower to multiply by 2.2. The person with the lower workload on the ground can do the maths.

@willgeorge8368 Жыл бұрын

Mayday Mayday Mayday sends shivers every time I hear it

@blumac9801 Жыл бұрын

0:24 you can hear the master warning go off

@michaelrainone296 Жыл бұрын

Great job of communicating with that pilot!! Air traffic controllers are so awesome.They deal with so much during a shift. Great skill and great attitude.Well done.Best wishes from me in 🇨🇦Canada 🇨🇦.

@adyback7994 Жыл бұрын

Amazing communication by all involved.

@pipebo Жыл бұрын

Shamrock crew were a class act, as always. Fire on an airplane is an emergency until proven otherwise. Mayday was the right initial call here. There’s no room to be indecisive (as often seems to be the case with American crews, for some reason).

@stevenmc4446 Жыл бұрын

great training and procedures from all and just because someone burnt the dinner!

@bobbybecker6435 Жыл бұрын

Very well done.

@waynemartin4881 Жыл бұрын

I reckon the supervisor in the back Galley possibly started cooking the meals on the taxi to save time in the air which isn’t allowed, all ovens should be switched off for taxi and take off and the angle of the take off may have spilled some greasy liquid out of the meal containers that caught fire. I’m a crew member for another airline and I’ve seen supers do that in the past to save time. As part of the supers check, they will have gone through the galley with the caterer to make sure they have enough catering for the entire flight, they have to open all ovens to count the meals loaded.

@YouCanSeeATC Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information 👍

@cedarkey Жыл бұрын

That requirement to have ovens off for taxi/take off is not a requirement at many airlines. Those ovens can take 45 mins to reheat the meals , so it’s normal to have begun the reheating process while on the ground (the meals are already cooked prior to arriving at the aircraft), so that the meals are ready for serving once the aircraft has levelled off at its cruising level.

@Tellemore Жыл бұрын

Is that as a result of your thorough investigation or are you simply jumping to a conclusion?

@waynemartin4881 Жыл бұрын

@@Tellemore most oven fires are due to spilled food !

@patm8622 Жыл бұрын

Assumptions are never a good idea, let's wait for an official statement.

@danielconlon2388 Жыл бұрын

Aerlingus crew always professional

@dhammarosi Жыл бұрын

Downgraded from mayday to frying pan pan pan 😅 Hmm, isn't that an overweight landing with all that fuel and full flight?

@grinner2916 Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@grinner2916 Жыл бұрын

Not an issue on the A321 up to MTOW

@dhammarosi Жыл бұрын

@@grinner2916 ah, interesting, that's handy. Thanks for the info!

@rvboondocker2559 Жыл бұрын

Wow! Terrific animation!

@msjdb723 Жыл бұрын

So cool to see a boondocker in here! I boondocked around mostly out west for a year or two. But some also going back and forth to Florida. Happy travels. 👍🏻

@starwarzchik112 Жыл бұрын

Sorry, that was me, I was making toast.

@cedarkey Жыл бұрын

That thumbnail… it has the strangest looking Neo gear I’ve ever seen. 😉

@mollyfilms Жыл бұрын

If that had been an American airline would they have declared a Mayday? Suspect not. I think this was perfect comms from the pilots standpoint.

@Videos888 Жыл бұрын

Everyone would have died because the controller would not have understood that a plane on fire should be given priority landing.

@lyaneris Жыл бұрын

It depends, AAL pilots are pretty on the ball with Maydays lately

@Ztbmrc1 Жыл бұрын

Could it be possible that the cabin crew already put some food in the oven before take-off, so it would be ready to serve shortly after take-off? Hope the damage caused was not to severe. Fortunately no one got hurt.

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

That is what usually happens... The dirty ovens smoke....... Not unusual. ...

@cianor Жыл бұрын

Was that on Aer Lingus new 321 neo?

@brianlacroix822 Жыл бұрын

why is their call sign 11P instead of the flight number 116?

@chapuisat9978 Жыл бұрын

don't sure if the fire warning was out at 00:24, but why stay airborne with an active fire at 01:14 ? as ATC said perfectly: right turn direct to field .. the professionell firefighter are on the ground not on board the airplane...

@go2sh Жыл бұрын

There is one big sentence in aviation: Aviate, Navigate, Communicate. Aviate: You have to gain some height in order to create space to aviate properly. Compare there height during 01:14 to the height at the final approach. They are more then 1000 feet to high to take a direct approach. Navigate: Its way easier for them to fly the ILS and reduce the work load by commencing a proper set up approach, then just going straight for the visual. Communicate: They were very clear what they want. For us its hart to asses what the situation on board was. I guess the pilots, where aware of the size and severity of the fire to asses the situation correctly.

@EdOeuna Жыл бұрын

The thing to remember is that the information they’re getting from the cabin crew and so the pilots have to determine what to do based on someone else’s opinion. If the cabin crew said it looks like a small fire and it’ll be out shortly then it’s not an emergency and no need for a dire return to land. That being said, the pilots need to position themselves for a quick return in case the fire cannot be put out or gets worse.

@Sugah_J Жыл бұрын

@@go2sh I completely agree. It doesn’t matter that you’re on fire if you just crash and burn anyway because of an unstable approach.

@lvbricat Жыл бұрын

4:01 I heard 120,1 but in the transcrips says 121,1 I'm practicing for the English test and I don't know if I'm wrong! Probably :(

@SkylinesSuck Жыл бұрын

It was indeed 120.1

@jamessimms415 Жыл бұрын

Clearly more efficient than the 747 cargo hold fire @ Narita or others.

@EdOeuna Жыл бұрын

There’s a very big difference between an oven fire and a cargo fire.

@philipbrit13 Жыл бұрын

20.8 metric tonnes does not seem much for a Trans Atlantic crossing. That’s around 45 thousand pounds ??

@eamonahern7495 Жыл бұрын

The A321 is a narrow body so it's smaller than aircraft that would traditionally have made the crossing. The engines in the neo variants of Airbus planes are very efficient.

@tillycatcat Жыл бұрын

Perfect example of why ICAO (and FAA) language is so effective. Controller knew about the downgrade with a Pan-Pan immediately, and was able to pass that info on. None of this declaring and emergency business and then a long old conversation to tell them that it’s kinda not an emergency, but still need priority to land. 😂😂😂

@RLTtizME Жыл бұрын

Your assertion is a crock. It makes NO DIFFERENCE declaring an emergency or Mayday or Pan or Spatula. None. You people see problems where there are none.

@RomeoJulietCharlie Жыл бұрын

Mayday/Pan-Pan is absolutely the best way of unambiguously categorising and communicating emergency or urgency situations. It’s especially important in regions where English isn’t the first language, even if the controllers are supposedly proficient. It leaves nobody on frequency in any doubt. Completely agree that it prevents lengthy explanation when your attention is better focussed on the situation on your airplane. While you may get away with a less structured approach, there are recent examples of ATC not realising that an aircraft was in peril due to lack of standard phraseology, and that’s in the US! You need something you can rely on anywhere in the aviation world. Calling the use of standard phraseology a crock is just nonsense.

@RLTtizME Жыл бұрын

@@RomeoJulietCharlie All made up non issues. Emergency works just as well. Real world experience proves it. At least use words that don’t make people laugh. 🤡🤡👍🤣🤪👈

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

@@RomeoJulietCharlie Hi RJ Don't listen to RTL. Just a troll who hasn't got the intellectual integrity to ever be a professional pilot...never will be... LTR say nothing and people might just think you are intelligent.

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

@@RLTtizME Only amateurs that don't know air law will do that. These terms work all over world especially those whose English is their second language. .. but of course you would not know that from a couch.

@Dirk-van-den-Berg Жыл бұрын

This is really odd. The controller is talking about runway 19L. Usually runways in this configuration are called L C and R from the equator's perspective, is that correct? But when you look at Google Maps, the north-south runways are called 1, not 19. Can someone explain this to me?

@air47wa Жыл бұрын

It's runway 1 if you are on a heading of 10 degrees (magnetic) when you land or takeoff. It is runway 19 if you are on a heading of 190 when you land or takeoff. The runway number corresponds to the compass heading you should be on when using the runway. All runways have two numbers (Heathrow, for example, has runways 09 L and R and 27 L and R). I hope this helps.

@lyaneris Жыл бұрын

Also L/C/R refers to left/centre/right RWY :)

@wyrmhand Жыл бұрын

First time I hear a downgrade of en emergency.

@YouCanSeeATC Жыл бұрын

That was first time for me as well 🙂👍😎

@RonPiggott Жыл бұрын

@@YouCanSeeATC Honestly who cares about the aircraft. The only thing that matters are flight crew and the passengers. You can get another plane. Just so glad the people travelling were safe.

@AMCustomCoasters Жыл бұрын

My favorite is the Lufthansa 747 pilot refusing to declare an emergency missing an engine. I know it can fly perfectly fine w only 2 or 3 engines but was still a funny clip.

@davidkavanagh189 Жыл бұрын

@@AMCustomCoasters You got a link for that?

@AMCustomCoasters Жыл бұрын

@@davidkavanagh189 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sMWVqsRot5iUfXU.html

@philipbrit13 Жыл бұрын

Oh. Ok. 320. I was thinking 330.

@johnvine5731 Жыл бұрын

The real question is ... did the Greggs steak bake survive the ordeal?

@ReaperRowledge Жыл бұрын

Did i hear the smoke/fire alarm going off????? DING DING DING? 0:23

@WilliamOfDetroit07 Жыл бұрын

That’s what I was thinking

@cedarkey Жыл бұрын

Yes , that’s the master warning. Linked to smoke sensors etc.

@blumac9801 Жыл бұрын

That was the Galley fire master warning

@MartinNeep Жыл бұрын

Most likely the result of smoke entering one of the aft lavatories. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b8iJnbeXydqRgYE.html

@AsmarterWorld Жыл бұрын

20 tons of fuel is a very heavy landing for a neo 😅

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

Who cares if you think you have a fire....

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

Not a heavy landing....Maybe an overweight landing. There is a difference.

@RaineStudio Жыл бұрын

Shamrock 11-Papa, say fuel remaining in drams.

@davidkavanagh189 Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@bcdm999 Жыл бұрын

Shamrock 11P, while you're at it, if we can get fuel in millilitres, cubic yards, and hogsheads, please

@billythekid3234 Жыл бұрын

Worse they could have asked for it in Grams!

@kerimvarol4707 Жыл бұрын

We are deeply saddened by a plane crash or a tragic aviation accident in any country in the world.

@EdOeuna Жыл бұрын

It’s one of those difficult situations because the pilots don’t have any easy access to what is going on and require regular sit reps from the cabin before being able to make any decisions themselves. Usually the flight deck gets split within one pilot flying and the other running the checklists and getting busy speaking to the cabin crew. Maybe mayday as a bit unnecessary unless the cabin crew felt overwhelmed by the fire and didn’t believe they could extinguish it.

@YouCanSeeATC Жыл бұрын

👍

@Sugah_J Жыл бұрын

I would argue the use of mayday was adequate in this situation because they didn’t know if the fire was spreading or what the situation was. Plus it gets the attention of ATC. Then downgrading it was a pro move. But there’s always a thousand ways to do things

@EdOeuna Жыл бұрын

@@Sugah_J - I agree with that. You want to be in the process of getting the aircraft back on the ground ASAP whilst waiting for updates from the cabin. Hopefully the second call from the cabin isn’t “we’ve used 5 extinguishers and the fire hasn’t gone out”. If that’s the case then it’s all about getting back on the ground ASAP with full emergency services and probably an evacuation on the runway.

@soniclettuce Жыл бұрын

@@EdOeuna Mentour Pilot's channel has a good video where he talks about why fires are treated so urgently. Apparently once an in-flight fire is out of control, you have about 15-20 minutes before the smoke and fumes heat up to the point of ignition, causing a massive flashover that kills everyone on board. Even if you're 99% confident you can control it, on the 1% chance you can't, you're really going to wish you called mayday and started heading back for the field 2 minutes ago. Uncontrolled fire is apparently one of the few situations where the manual tells you to think about off-field landings.

@EdOeuna Жыл бұрын

@@soniclettuce - I don’t, generally, follow people like Mentor pilot or 74 crew because their content is mostly directed towards aviation enthusiasts. Last time I had a lav fire, in the sim, we were on late downwind turning base by the time the fire was under control. Like you said,

@MattyEngland Жыл бұрын

We don't use lbs round these parts, I'll give it ta ya in pints of Guinness laddy

@thedevilinthecircuit1414 Жыл бұрын

I hate it when Angus burns popcorn in the microwave!

@daftvader4218 Жыл бұрын

Why didn't they just turn the ovens off and wait a short time.....and the old spilled food/liquid in the ovens would soon stop smoking........then inspect each oven !??? No an uncommon phenomenon. Hence the pilot quickly changed a mayday to a pan..... Why not continue after a simple check.......no much to go wrong or burn on a oven....but food !! Had it myself a few times...

@deakhanani Жыл бұрын

LMFAO!!!!!

@steve1978ger Жыл бұрын

I'll give it to you in kilograms :/

@duk2k Жыл бұрын

That is what everyone using around the world

@MattyEngland Жыл бұрын

I thought pints would be more appropriate.

@hades_monsta Жыл бұрын

@@duk2k also the plane is either configured in pounds or in KG, the pilots had better things to do than converting it

@duk2k Жыл бұрын

@@hades_monsta that is true

@gibbosan1 Жыл бұрын

@@duk2k Sorry, but that is incorrect. I've flown in a few Airlines (Far East and Middle East) where the airplanes were calibrated in pounds. Most Airlines in the USA are using pounds as that is the standard measure there.

@NeilBaileyF1 Жыл бұрын

What does anybody expect from Aer Lingus? Technical faults, delayed flights. Worst airline in Western Europe.

@lyaneris Жыл бұрын

You really forgot Ryan Air?

@danizweifler6061 Жыл бұрын

typical USA: the controllers wanna have the remaining fuel in lbs............ = like a first grader who is not yet capable to do the math by his own....... :-(🤮

@captaindunsel2806 Жыл бұрын

When Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon, the Eagle only had 770 lbs of fuel remaining. Don't know how many thousands of grams that is.

@robbflynn4325 Жыл бұрын

@@captaindunsel2806 you actually believe that we went to the moon, lol

@marlonstjohn Жыл бұрын

@@captaindunsel2806 The moon has only 1/6 the gravity as on Earth, therefore the Eagle would have had only 128.33 lbs. of fuel remaining.

@RonPiggott Жыл бұрын

I could imagine ATC was as busy as the pilot coordinating with tower.

@slappymcgillicuddy7532 Жыл бұрын

ah adorable, the usual elitist snooty European critic LOL