AI Chip Startup Etched Aims to Take On Nvidia

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AI chip startup Etched raised $120 million to expand manufacturing of its specialized chip that it boasts will rival Nvidia’s products. Etched CEO Gavin Uberti joins Ed Ludlow on "Bloomberg Technology."
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@OculusGame 12 күн бұрын

It took me only 20 minutes of research: - Company is 1 year & 8 months old. - No product available yet, not even a demo. - Founders have no AI hardware experience, and also under 30. - They use catchy terms like "ASICs". - Nvidia invests billions per year and have a product, they just have a render and say: "we're 20x better, trust". Even a 12 year old would do better due diligence than those investors, it's so pathetic really.

@joannot6706 12 күн бұрын

I think they are legit

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

It's hard to tell. Until we see a demo, or very detailed hardware information, your right to be skeptical. Whoever can crack Inference, will make a ton of money. So far groq is the only real contender to NVIDA, and they could start to make a serious dent in their market share next year.

@caleb7799 12 күн бұрын

that's some deep research...

@ALFTHADRADDAD 12 күн бұрын

After 1 minute of research my balls are huge

@digzrow8745 12 күн бұрын

From a technical standpoint, it's not like they're making a fusion reactor; it's just an ASIC specifically designed for transformers. They're just gambling on whether transformers are here to stay or not. Who knows, a paper might come out tomorrow about a much better architecture that makes transformers and their product, obsolete.

@otis3744 11 күн бұрын

The reason tech bubbles hardly cause any real world problems is that only rich people lose their money… when these start ups fail

@tekmepikcha6830 12 күн бұрын

Bloomberg: We have a 7-minute slot to fill Gavin: Hi

@MrNomad123 12 күн бұрын

😂

@donwunder33 12 күн бұрын

TSMC's 2023 revenue was 70.6B. Even if 100% of this company's 120M went to TSMC it would amount to just 0.17% of TSMC's revenue. Why would they prioritize this guy's job over their existing customers who also need their limited capacity?

@paulmuriithi9195 12 күн бұрын

nice. exactly my point. sohu needs sub 3 nm n2 node chips for them to have a chance. Nvidia haters like intel will fund these guys and they will be successful if they agree. 20b dollars minimum to book a production run at samsung or TSMC. last i checked, all q4 2024 and q1,q2,q3 2025 production fab run schedules are fully booked and paid for.

@jondonron 12 күн бұрын

Homey is an AI NVIDIA will probably have more capacity and will outpace them significantly.

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

Once Groq start manufacturing out of Samsung's Texas fab, they will be a real threat to Nvidas dominance in inference.

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

Everybody will taking from Nvidia's market share. Nvidia is a giant bubble to burst.

@davidburk4546 12 күн бұрын

4:32 he just pronounced it “nuh-vi-dee-yah,” so I don’t know how seriously to take him 😂

@MatthewMS. 12 күн бұрын

N V envy Nvidia

@donwunder33 8 күн бұрын

Thanks for including the timestamp. CNBC did a short segment recently titled "You don't know nVidia" that started and ended showing a whiteboard printed "en-vi-dee-yah". I guess they realized the analysts they put on should at least know how to pronounce the name if they want to be taken seriously for their so called expert commentary and "insights". One side effect of AI in general and nVidia in particular is the exposure of hypocrisy that is the foundation of the financial establishment. It would be a sad day if "nuh-vi-dee-yah" goes out of the popular lexicon as it will be slightly less easy to spot the charlatans.

@whatarefacts4610 12 күн бұрын

Young people don't really know the enormous amount of work for an end-to-end full stack solution to be able to even have a slight chance to compete with Nvidia. This is the nth (n > hundreds) startup led by young enthusiastic founder who is going to waste investors' money.

@johnpats7024 10 күн бұрын

Yet its always kids like this who end up changing the world. Your not smarter than the investors, there is a reason they take massive gambles on kids like this and if just one in 10 are successful thats a massive win. Its not “wasting investors money”. Its highly ambitious trying to innovate something new and it may work and it may not. If everybody had your small minded viewpoint i wouldn’t be typing this on an iPhone of using facebook.

@whatarefacts4610 10 күн бұрын

@@johnpats7024 I am sorry, not it this case. I am in the field and know what I am talking about. I judged by what he said technically and not making a blanket statement on "always kids like this who end up changing the world" like yours. It really requires deep understanding across a few fields in computer science, computer engineering, and applications domains where parallel processing make sense.

@creativecomputers6060 11 күн бұрын

I sold all my Nvidia shares and bought TSMC. Etched and Nvidia rely on them. They are currently building two factories in Arizona.

@uzomad 11 күн бұрын

They better be underground for when China strikes

@atabac 7 күн бұрын

ditch TSMC, buy ASML without asml machines tsmc is nothing😂😂😂

@emont 6 күн бұрын

you might invest on the device that manufacturers the chips instead!!

@GursimarSinghMiglani 5 күн бұрын

I thought this was going to be a bot comment

@creativecomputers6060 5 күн бұрын

@@GursimarSinghMiglani ASML vs. ASMR

@MelissaHobbs-qm8wi 12 күн бұрын

Did you all see the new release of NVIDIA's stock earnings? The results are incredible, and their stock is surging.

@ChloeCarter-kd7gz 12 күн бұрын

Yes, I saw that! It's amazing how well NVIDIA is performing despite the overall market volatility. It's got me thinking about re-evaluating my portfolio.

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@j.m4653 8 күн бұрын

10 years later, the guy is still looking for funding....10 years later, nvdia is a 10 trillion company

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

Nvidia already priced in next 5 years. From here it will only go down.

@j.m4653 7 күн бұрын

I think you haven't gotten it yet.. @bpolat

@joannot6706 12 күн бұрын

I remember them from like 6 months ago, nice to know that they're on track to fullfil their vision

@Niels_F_Morrow 12 күн бұрын

If ASIC miners exist in mining specific coins, if NPUs are being placed in laptops, why not extend this idea to transformers used in AI? The idea, as he said, is a bet, a gamble. And there are several companies that build ASIC miners.

@liwenchang3260 10 күн бұрын

It’s not a new idea to move certain tasks from general purpose to application specific, everyone in the industry knows this and most likely have already thought of this specific idea. He probably just happens to be loud and attracted some attentions from those who don’t know what ASIC even means.

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@steveholmes1736 11 күн бұрын

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@KrustyKlown 12 күн бұрын

By the time this guy gets something to market .. Nvidia will be several generations beyond Blackwell ... nobody can keep pace at volume.

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

Nvidias week spot is inference. And it's the largest market. Groq is already far superior (at scale), but they won't have the volume for another year.

@KrustyKlown 12 күн бұрын

@@StuartJ there are several of these ASIC inference startups.. it's far too early to tell if any will successfully grab any significant ongoing market share. Once these companies go public, then we can watch their financial results and decide whether to invest.

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

@@KrustyKlown Groq say they are not interested to go public. Once they start making chips out of Samsung's Texas Fab, they could dominate inference.

@KrustyKlown 12 күн бұрын

@@StuartJ takes more than good chips to gain market share. And I only care about what I can invest in. Right now, no significant competitors have emerged to Nvidia.

@rikmeistr46 12 күн бұрын

And, ya think Nvidia isn’t already working on ‘transformer’ like algorithms in future chips.

@OrvinReyes 12 күн бұрын

Lol sounds very much like the good ol days of crypto scams 😂😂😂

@brianicia 12 күн бұрын

Looking Forward to Etched Success!

@ThePresentFuture 12 күн бұрын

Gavin say's, *_"Nvidia does a bunch of things slower, we do one thing 20 times faster."_* Ludlow say's, *_"What makes your chip different"_* as if he didn't hear the first answer.

@manonamission2000 Күн бұрын

Gavin's comment is ambiguous... could be referring to either corporate bloat or the chip... Ludlow focused back on the chip itself

@abhijitramin 12 күн бұрын

How is this different then Gorq?

@jaidenBenzz 12 күн бұрын

Great talk thank you

@DJAdalaide 12 күн бұрын

Transformers: Robots in disguise!

@thinkingcitizen 12 күн бұрын

I’m afraid this guy is following in the footsteps of Theranos

@user-ll9qk2el4d 12 күн бұрын

At least there's no chance of him being pregnant and behind bars. 🤣

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

you are definitely not understand the tech. ASIC is a known tech. They apply it to transformer model. It is not a scam or imagination. I am sure many companies will pop up soon to do same.

@hoochill 12 күн бұрын

this is only inference. nobody can compete against Nvidia in actually training the LLMs

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

Inference is the largest market, and a competitor could wipe out NVIDIAs market share for that if they can scale up fast enough.

@erniea5843 5 күн бұрын

Agreed, the market for inference is orders of magnitude bigger than training

@nedkelly3610 12 күн бұрын

I guess $120M will buy you a single working prototype, but you're got to start somewhere. Im looking forward to cheaper npu's availability.

@rock_oclock 10 күн бұрын

"What's to prevent Nvidia from doing the same thing as you and squashing you like the bugs you are?" - Mr. Wonderful

@gasfeesofficial3557 12 күн бұрын

this kids gonna be big!

@denisblack9897 10 күн бұрын

More like it aims to ride the hype and scamming some idiot money bag.

@senju2024 12 күн бұрын

Maybe nvidia will buy them and integrate their tech for a hybrid with GPUs. Anyway, I think this startup is just advertising for a big company to buy them.

@whatnowFAM 11 күн бұрын

Nvidia won’t buy them. They’re exactly doing what Google TPUs do

@HRaychin 12 күн бұрын

Its weed not him

@KrustyKlown 12 күн бұрын

Confidently raising capital for something that he hasn't built yet .. a familiar story.

@larryace4683 12 күн бұрын

Steve Jobs smoked weed too

@HRaychin 12 күн бұрын

@larryace4683 Bruce Lee has 2 leg and 2 arms like you too :)

@s8x. 9 күн бұрын

bro is the best salesman ever

@otis3744 11 күн бұрын

Watch investors through billions into this without any research ever.

@deepharia4209 6 күн бұрын

Groq ai vs etched nothing on that update ?

@Sirmrmeowmeow 12 күн бұрын

500 toks per s is wild *for inference return of the asics

@anipacify1163 12 күн бұрын

This is similar to Groq's LPU

@techwiz1033 12 күн бұрын

Did he just leak the size of gpt4? As 1.8 trillion

@manonamission2000 8 күн бұрын

Not a leak, his source is Semianalysis... and 2 trillion for Claude 3 Opus

@letsinvest1476 12 күн бұрын

It's about to get more interesting! Routing for Etched as well. I think this will make only make Nvidia more aggressive.

@paulcheng88 11 күн бұрын

Yes, but you need manufacturing capacity at scale.

@6lack5ushi 10 күн бұрын

20x cut on latency and throughput is just insane, but makes sense if its etched in silicone because you dont have to construct it virtually.

@dfv671 6 күн бұрын

He tries to sell his company to NVIDIA

@Bradgilliswhammyman 12 күн бұрын

If this had any chance of taking off NVDA would have or is thinking about buying it.

@davet11 11 күн бұрын

He has zero IP.....he has and will have nothing to sell and I'd bet Nvidia already have a transformer design closer to realization. An implementation of Google's algorithm or architecture isn't IP. The more I see these things the more I realize Peter Theil is an idiot. Up there with Musk... the village idiot.

@manonamission2000 8 күн бұрын

Every car could conceivably have its own onboard 4trillion parameter LLM

@royalyouth1173 7 күн бұрын

Young people are funny he could learn a lot from Jensen it's possible to exceed him but I won't see this happening decades from now

@chriswalter92 6 күн бұрын

In any business, Protecting your capital is much more important than making money. Basically because if you lose your capital, making money is much harder. ''Missing the train'' vs. ''losing your money''. There are a lot of trains, but if your money is gone, it's over.

@tahirisaid2693 6 күн бұрын

There are many other interesting businesses and stocks in many industries that you might follow. You don't have to act on every forecast, so I'll suggest that you work with a financial advisor who can help you choose the best times to purchase and sell the shares or ETFs you want to acquire.

@HaxxBlaster 12 күн бұрын

Come back when you have something working. Would be interesting to see a real test where its better than whats available today. Its possible because other companies want nvidia to fail and sometimes young people come with breakthroughs

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

It is already working. Their partner is TSMC, the largest chip manufacturer.

@HaxxBlaster 7 күн бұрын

@@bpolat I heard about it, but it's not a real product yet. But i hope it goes well, i wish them luck

@lysambodia 7 күн бұрын

This guy needs to find enough money to compete with Nvidia. Good luck my man.

@Paradox_World 12 күн бұрын

Unless you got more money than them, i wouldn't bother

@britannio 11 күн бұрын

Startups rarely have more money than the incumbents that they seek to displace in the early days.

@ReflectionOcean 11 күн бұрын

By "YouSum Live" 00:00:00 Specialized chip for transformer models vs. flexible accelerators 00:00:31 Unique chip design enables high throughput and low latency 00:01:30 Betting on transformers as the future of AI models 00:02:04 Transformers evolving beyond language models to images and videos 00:03:01 Shift towards larger AI models with billions of parameters 00:03:54 Capital-intensive nature of developing specialized AI chips 00:04:25 Collaboration with TSMC for scaling production of specialized chips 00:04:47 Differentiation from GPU technology in chip advancement and performance 00:05:50 Capital allocation for product development and business scaling 00:06:04 Specialization in transformer architecture as a strategic business focus By "YouSum Live"

@michaelnorman4 11 күн бұрын

Who's man's is this??

@bullionmaster 12 күн бұрын

in case u didnt realize, you are 3 Decades+ Behind Nvidia and everyone else in the game, mr CEO. You're dealing in the cutting-edge hardware domain that also needs cutting-edge software to work which is really, really, really challenging to do. its not as simple as coming up with some new platform like Airbnb, Mr CEO.

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

Nvida are king at training, but only with inference at the moment. Others specialising in inference are going to eat their lunch, and then some. It's the largest market, by an order of magnitude.

@Vancouver_Island_Guy 8 күн бұрын

@@StuartJlol sure

@StuartJ 8 күн бұрын

@@Vancouver_Island_Guy oops, over invested are you?

@Vancouver_Island_Guy 7 күн бұрын

@@StuartJ um no lol

@TPM188 12 күн бұрын

$120m not enough for TSMC 3nm and 4nm

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

TSMC is their partner.

@LazyDotDev 12 күн бұрын

Let's just say Jensen won't be losing any sleep for the foreseeable future, this was cute though.

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

Well he might. His top engineers are all retiring, because their stock optons are worth $10-20M 😂

@manonamission2000 8 күн бұрын

gravy trains don't run forever.... and complacency is a thing

@LazyDotDev 8 күн бұрын

@@manonamission2000 Its literally only been gravy for a few months, I'd hardly call that 'forever'. Rome wasn't built in a day so Etched has a lot of work ahead. I support competition and innovation, however, A King isn't King because you rolled out of bed and learned about him. Nvidia has been decades in the making, that's infrastructure, R&D, and supply chains. This isn't a web app. That being said, power to Gavin i'm sure he'll be successful in tech whether Etched succeeds or not, but Jensen isn't losing sleep. $120MM in this industry is a drop in the bucket, Jensen just cashed out 30MM for play money.

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

Jensen is just a showman. He just pumping stock price and cashing out. Many retail investor will burn after this hype is over.

@LazyDotDev 7 күн бұрын

@@bpolat Do you people think before rambling? Go Do Your Own Research on how much stock Jensen sold since his net worth catapulted.

@thanatosor 7 күн бұрын

Hop on the hype-train of AI, investors. Then we will rug you all through this quick scheme...

@apexsynthesis1 11 күн бұрын

Sounds like an executive enrichment scheme. “We’re building our own silicon and our own servers”……well what do u think nvidia has revolutionized LOL

@RevolutionEDA 4 күн бұрын

There are no chips yet

@RajDeelish 12 күн бұрын

First of all, they are not competing with Nvidia. They are making a TPU, not a GPU. Secondly, I have food in my fridge that has been around longer than this company. They are soooo far away from being soooo far away.

@doublesman0 12 күн бұрын

What bs is this. Other already established semis are pivoting internally to capture some of nvidias market share.... That is companies that already know what they are doing

@donovan1333 6 күн бұрын

Couldn’t Nvidia just do the same ? Especially with all their r&d

@manonamission2000 2 сағат бұрын

not worth it, too risky at nvidia's size and age and inertia better to let young and nimble companies risk it, then acquire them

@nuclearthrone2497 10 күн бұрын

Big gamble, sound business plan, good luck!

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

It is not a big gamble. Transformers are the future. There is no competition yet. If there were no transformers, there will no chatGPT or any other LLMs now.

@jaffarbh 12 күн бұрын

The reason big boys buy Nvidia chips and not Intel/AMD is because of CUDA (the software that underpins the whole thing), not just the raw performance. I hope the folks at Etched understand this clearly. Nvidia has been perfecting CUDA since 2006. Even Intel/AMD are no where close.

@StuartJ 12 күн бұрын

That's only relevent for training. Look at Groq. They don't use CUDA, but are able to host popular LLM models, within hours of their release.

@LazyDotDev 12 күн бұрын

Understand what? He's 21, this isn't a web app. Hardware is hard, but I respect the Genghis Khan in anyone. He gets to take a moonshot bet using OPM and if he fails, he'll have on his record his first startup failure experience which in the Valley gets you more OPM for future bets.

@jaffarbh 11 күн бұрын

@@StuartJ Besides Nvidia, I also use Intel Arc for inference. Nvidia works out of the box but with Intel there is a lot to do.

@jaffarbh 11 күн бұрын

@@LazyDotDev I couldn't agree more mate. Google's TPU is essentially a large (and mature) ASIC made specifically for neural networks training and inference. Google still buys lots of Nvidia GPUs. People should think why before getting too excited :)

@masa4680 12 күн бұрын

why Soho? −the same name as Chinese search engine

@manonamission2000 8 күн бұрын

Sohu

@urimtefiki226 8 күн бұрын

chatgpt needs to increase the number of parameters to infinite and to build more data centers until the whole earth is covered with data denters ;)

@manonamission2000 8 күн бұрын

do one thing, do it well

@michaellin6155 12 күн бұрын

don't youhave to have something equivalent to cuDA to even make that claim? i call bull

@lysambodia 7 күн бұрын

Marketing man

@dan-cj1rr 12 күн бұрын

lil bro looking for investor money to do nothing.

@kavinho 5 күн бұрын

What stops Nvidia to develop the same type of chip? The algoritm (Transformers) is well known. Nvidia have billions in the bank and they have the right people and know how to do it. The only reason to not do it would be you’re cannabalizing your own markets and it could lead to some blowback by customers who’ve receptor invested heavily into Nvidia existing datacenters and chips, but my gut tells me Jensen and Nvidia won’t let a newcomer with 120$ million dollar investment take over their market advantage. They’ll pump in billions and develop similar chips in parallell and do it quickly just as insurance.

@leez8446 6 күн бұрын

Sounds like a used car salesman.

@MultiMojo 12 күн бұрын

Looks like ASICs are back in vogue again.

@paulmuriithi9195 12 күн бұрын

this guy needds minimum 20 billion dollars to even have a chance at AISC chips robust enough to outgun blackwell based solutions from NVIDIA. he needs lots more investors and better algorithms..else....waste of investor money.

@GordonMoat 12 күн бұрын

Who is funding this dude, and do they seriously imagine cashing out in an IPO?

@bpolat 7 күн бұрын

If you watch video you will see how is funding. All well know VCs.

@GordonMoat 7 күн бұрын

@@bpolat That's not my point. What kind of person invests with this dude?

@manonamission2000 Күн бұрын

@@GordonMoatfor diversification

@GordonMoat Күн бұрын

@@manonamission2000 LOL

@dfv671 6 күн бұрын

You think NVIDIA is not working on that?

@richardthompson7838 12 күн бұрын

All these college tech heads, nerds, and dropouts are going to change the world: Elizabeth Holmes, Sam-Bankman F., and now this young cat. They can't reach their own goals, let along change the world. Throw them more money... I smell another DISASTER in the making.

@P4yn3 12 күн бұрын

bill gates, steve jobs and many others did

@caleb7799 12 күн бұрын

what exactly are you fucking crying about? do you even know?

@richardthompson7838 11 күн бұрын

@@P4yn3 Blood Sweat Tears by those owners started those companies not VC funding, and you can't even compare the boomers and early pioneers with this silver spoon 🥄 generation of privileged wannabes. Steve Jobs started Apple with $1,300. Gates saved up money he made contracting. Jeff Bezos started Amazon with $300,000 from parents, and Zuckerberg started Facebook with a $1,000 of his own money. No millions here.....Nowadays, these kids want a shortcut to the top. Sorry Charlie...

@richardthompson7838 11 күн бұрын

@@P4yn3 The pioneers you mentioned started those companies with Blood, Sweat, and Tears. There was no VC money. People nowadays are looking for a shortcut to the top. Ain't happening. And if it does; disaster will likely follow. Steve Jobs started Apple with $1,300. Bill Gates started Microsoft with the money he saved up from contract worth. Jeff Bezos started Amazon with a $300,000 loan from his parents. Zuckerberg invested $1,000 in Facebook.