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*But who knows ai is secretly checking this video for information where it lacks?* 😅

this is SCARY as a composer…because people who we will work for might not be able to see the difference between AI and human…this is a fear becoming more valid by the month

In my opinion, yes, AI can do what it's capable of, though with error, but that doesn't mean it can replace music forever.

I went 5-0, "guessed" correctly. I don't think I can say my assessment is better than Ray's, but it did came down to "feeling". The 3rd one, the 2nd romantic felt well structured, human touch indeed. And the last one, the 2nd song felt uplifting and a bit more distinguinshable.

I wonder: If the AI generated score would be interpreted by an orchestra - would we still hear a difference? For me it was the playing more than the score itself.

Early Classical-era DOES sound a bit more Baroque. It's technically "Galant" music - CPE Bach and early Haydn are good examples. Late Beethoven would present a similar problem - too "out there" to represent Classical and also not quite like any Romantic-era music.

I suspect that most composers will agree: writing a few measures of music that sounds good is the easiest bit. Developing material into a coherent musical structure, over time, - particularly but not exclusively, in forms from the 19th century on- is the real challenge. I’m curious how AI does with that

I hope someday you can go to México, you are a big inspiration for the people ! I love your interpretations

I'm an opera singer - my performance repertoire is over 50 arias composed by Mozart, Bellini, Puccini, Rossini, Verdi, Vivaldi and dozens of other composers - I sing in ten languages - and like Ray, I can distinguish between the music composed by robots vs. the music composed by humans - but probably soon, this distinction will no longer exist.

I got all of them correct, the way I could tell is that AI doesn't seem to care for the beat. Sometimes it feels like it just randomly switches time signatures, or 2 different parts don't exactly match up.

Thoroughly enjoyed this video, Ray! You are the best! 🎉

Haha 😂 No, you’re not in trouble. My 9-5 job is to help technology industry (and ultimately people) deploy AI. Recently, I’ve also spend some of my free time thinking about how AI can be explored in really cool ways in practising violin, and in classical music in general. I’m not a professional musician, however, I grew up playing violin +10 years, so I do have a hunch what it is about. We often hear comments on how AI will replace people. I don’t believe in it. Not even though my job is to be an advocate for AI. I truly believe that ultimately it is all about how we as humans are able to harness the capabilities of AI to help us out and create value with AI for ourselves. In other words, to identify in which tasks AI is way better and faster than humans, and vice versa, where humans beat AI 6-0. Optimally, by deploying AI we humans have more opportunities to concentrate on the tasks that we love and cherish, and leave the boring, repetitive work for AI. Unfortunately, AI will not play the scales for us, but I think it can help in amazing ways with practicing violin. AI has no imagination and it doesn’t think but it can provide - with its own strengths - new horizons and boost our imagination to the next level. Would be happy to hear about your potential trials on exploring AI to boost your practicing, in case you already have some. Thanks for the great video 👍

This is so entertaining. Love the live analysis streams of consciousness.

I’m going to your concert in 6/29! Always thank you for making these videos and doing concerts❤

Got them all. I was applying the same rules I use when either reading or listening to verbal content. AII has weird repetitions. Inconsistent "pronunciations" or throwbacks to something earlier in the content in a way that just doesn't fit - that's why a human editor is needed to polish the content. I had to laugh about your reaction to the Bridgerton theme.. I'm sure I will get lots of negative comments here, but that's the wsy I feel about the whole series - it is artificial and tries too hard to be accurate to/reproduce something it isn't. It's very funny that is reflected in the scoring as well.

You are so funny, keep these videos coming please. Thank you.

I love this video that was great and I was trying to guess along with you and I think you got more right than I did but excellent. Keep up the good work.

My smile was so big when Roundtable Rival played! Such an amazing piece

I think it is quite easy to understand the difference. Especially in old classical music where music tends to be derived from speech and tends to have a rhethorical speaking quality such ML based systems cannot reproduce. With contemporary music it is harder, as there often you need to get the big picture to understand the design. The systems behind this are good at reproducing the generic aspects of a style, which also explains why it works so well for pop music ...

Love your videos, Ray! Especially fun were the faces you made when you couldn't tell between AI and human composers! Your critique of why the sound was either AI/human was spot on. I totally agree about the Bridgerton mixing, as the rhythmic part did drown out the melody! The classical examples really sounded more baroque. And the human contemporary piece was, indeed, kind of cool. P.S. I am lucky to get to see you in Concert July 7, playing my fave Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto...so excited!

It doesn't disappoint. It's an unexpected topic, and I'm intrigued.👍🏻👍🏻✨

Nice video man

Really interesting video ❣

I got all of them - I went for the ones that I either felt an immediate connection or some emotion to (they also felt like they had a consistent direction or a theme), or that didn’t sound a bit warped between notes/parts.

Loved the video Ray. I went 3/3. ❤👍😃

The romantic one I'm pretty sure ended with a slide up to a Bb harmonic, a harmonic that doesn't exist naturally...

Yes!!!! Nailed them!

oh gosh , i need to practice on tonic more often

Nicely done...

2:19 Sounds extremely baroque to me. I'm somewhat of a professional. I've been baroque for several years now

“Black Angels” by George Crumb is a phenomenal piece for string quartet- and probably one of the most difficult. Imagine playing dies irae with flageolets while at the same time whistling it in syncopation…

Does any else just hear the track and say I quit Or is it just me

Very interesting video Ray 👍 Btw the only case I can guess is the Film score. Because I’m a fan of Bridgeton and listened so much cover of this theme so I could know right away.

6:15 bro, the second one was too beautiful to be AI

I really enjoyed the video

This was very interesting!

I was half right. I agree with you on most of them.. the one I was wrong on was the contemporary one. I thought the first one sounded like Bartok.

6:20 Haha! I was right. I think I have learnt how to distinguish between AI and human. At its current stage, AI doesn't have much personality in its composition. AI is simplistic. If a piece sounds like it has personality and if the feeling changes drastically where the new motif is consistent with the last, it is human.

For the film one, what's missing in the AI track is time for the music to breathe. It adds notes too abruptly after a long note which interupts the music. The second one does not have this issue and it also blends in the other parts better.

Ray, I don’t know if you read the comments, but can you please do a how to play czardas like a pro(with octaves) Also, I’m loving the Tonic app❤❤

I think I got 4-2 as well as an amateur listener. I guessed correctly for the Baroque, Classical, Romantic and even the contemporary, have to say there are still lots of areas for AI to improve. But actually I couldn’t tell the difference for film score and pop, maybe since lots of them they are easy to compose and AI can handle this well, no need to bother good human composer to do that 😂😂😂.

The most inportant thing to remember about AI is that at any given moment, this is the *worst* AI will ever be. This was instilled in me at a talk I went to like 6 years ago, well before AI started to make its current dramatic progress. The speaker noted how important authenticity and creativity will become in the future. At some point, AI will be good enough to be indistinguishable even to the majority of experts. Thats why we need to value authenticity and live performance in and of itself.

What a creative episode! With generative AI rapidly advancing, it’s interesting to hear the musician as Ray share this type of video.

Okay, but that AI romantic era piece was kinda fire... any chance of sharing where to find the tracks??

Bonjour M. Chen, jai beaucoup aimé cette vidéo ! Mais ce qui m'est venu en tête dès le début c'est que AI est bien fait... mais de te regarder jouer, parler et interagir avec nous est bien audelà de ce que pourait offrir les robots. Au fond, je crois que IA essaie de copier ce qu'un virtuose tel que toi arrive à jouer. 😉 ❤❤❤ Attention de ne pas tout remplacer par les robots. L'humain a tant à offrir avec son coeur. 🎉🎉🎉

I recognized Corelli immediately because I listen him so many times

This was so tricky!! And actually in the second example, that was Haydn violin concerto no. 1 in C, not G ☺️

Full score!😊🎉

I got them all right except the movie score round. I recognize the works of Corelli. I just listened to Haydn's violin concerti a few days ago. Something sounded off with Romantic #1. Contemporary #1 was too messy. Shame on the movie round as my wife has been binge watching Bridgerton lately. I guess I never paid attention when she was watching it. Got the pop music right with the same reasoning as Ray. Sounded like her and sounded more articulate and less robotic than #2

Actually the Haydn concerto is the C major one not the G major

"Stuck in the kitchen of a hotel" is a great title for a song actually!

This was very interesting! I was able to spot all the ai songs.

I started to scare from AI bcz a piece or concerto composed by a wellknown composer. The thing is it took time from him or her like months or years maybe. Now AI is composing a piece in seconds which sounds so good or real like the concerto made by a human. I hope it wont effect the musicians too much

I got wrong contemporary and film score. I can still hear the difference quite often, but damn, these quizzes are getting tougher and tougher every year.

what is the app you used to test ai vs human?

At the first seconds of the 1st movie soundtrack sounded like Hungarian dance no 3.

the Bridgerton one!!

The only guess that I was confident was the one from Schubert. Though I didn’t recognize the piece, it’s simply too good to be true 😢

now this is properly prompted AI music

Honestly is quite surprising to see how much AI has evolved is just a matter of 2 or 3 years for us won't be able to recognize the differences between AI and humans, for now though, I think there's a little difference, over all in tonal function and rythm, it seems to me that sometimes the AI struggle to comeback to the tonic chord and do some weird things that spoils the progression, as well as when it works with complex melodies, or the melody or the acompaniment, but something gets a little bit out of rythm.

I actually like the romantic AI piece 🥲. Where did you find this?

I got the two Ray missed, but got one wrong where he was correct.

Scary. Its geting closer, but still to someone who listens to classical music all the time, all of these are still pretty easy to tell.

I'm a classical musician, composer and AI engineer. TL;DR - Although AI can somewhat replace us, it won't. For the more detailed explanation: AI as we know it today existed for a few years now. What changed everything was ChatGPT - it gave everyone, not only programmers, the ability to use generative AI (GenAI) capabilities. That shuffled the cards - but not for long. It showed the public the power of GenAI, but in my humble opinion, GenAI has no real future. It's extremely expensive to maintain, and the speed barely compensates for the money the model consumes. GenAI works on a very simple model, and I'll explain it usign a language model: You take a word and see what's most likely to come after it. Then you check if it makes sense with everything before. If it does - continue to the next word. If not, try again with the next most likely word. Obviously this is a gross simplification, but it catches the spirit. Now for why it's not going to replace us. GenAI always gives the human what they're most likely to want - not what's most likely to solve the problem. As someone who dealt with product management, this makes a huge difference. I'm not going to go into much detail, but that's the first reason I think GenAI has no future. The second reason connects to what I said above - the money. It's expensive and doesn't necessarily solve problems. What can AI do to solve problems? Imagine being a hospital patient. You start feeling pain. By the time the nurse comes by it takes 10 minutes (at best), and by the time the painkillers hit it takes another 30. This means that you will be in pain for almost an hour before anything happens. Imagine if you could have sensors on your body that using AI could determine when you're going to experience pain and give you painkillers before you experience it. That's much more useful and profitable than cool GenAI features. Sorry for the length lol😅

Juts waiting Ray Chen coming to BRAZIL 🇧🇷

I got all of them right with certainty, but I'm not sure if I were to listen to one track only instead of comparing two tracks will stump me or not. 😂 I was born blind and I'm a college student majoring Classical Piano Performance.

I wish you to go to Utah and perform in I love hearing violin concert and I want to play with you but I’m to young to play with you

The Film Score got me goo, the human one sounded off! I was able to tell most of them because either the timing or something sounded un-natural in a way. The Lindsay Sterling was easy because I heard the song when it came out, it's in my feed - but if I hadn't heard the song, the production sounds a little AI, AI can do some cool stuff, I think it will make us better songwriters and musicians, because as a songwriter, I can write lyrics and get some inspiration from an AI demos and see if AI can make the flow of the lyrics work, I also compose music on violin and AI isn't helpful for that, when I write on violin or for ensemble it is literally emotion and AI doesn't have emotions, so it's like a computer playing Mendelsohn concerto, it would be technically correct, it doesn't have the emotion that every great player add's to the music and each great player such as yourself, adds subtle nuances that make it great. But that's also why AI is good at pop music because it's just catchy simple melodies, beep boop beep boop Look At Me! Look Look Look at Me!

I went 5/6, missed on the first😂 Then I just started to use intuition and got all the rest right(although I’m never familiar with film music or pop), it just seems like there’s some emotions lacking in ai’s work.

OMG! I Made 5-3 vs AI … It was scaring the romantic track with that high notes full of harmonics and feeling, I was wrong as Ray. At this point, We have to found more originality in our performance that “perfection”, ‘cause I thought in this area the AI it could be better then Us. So let’s go to listen more our Souls

Great video, also very disturbing if AI could do that. Also, Ray effortlessly repeating whatever he heard on his violin, geez, if there is a god of music he must be his avatar.

Was yelling Bridgerton at my phone hahahaha... The AI one for that was so flat

I can tell when a Tonic ad is going to happen lol!

I knew the film score, because the AI one didn't sound humanely captivating at all, AI sometimes miss the musical depiction of feelings, tension or actions.

Second track 1 is baroque

I don't want AI generated music .... I want humans to play more music. Music is about connecting to each other i don't want to connect to a machine.

See the thing with AI music is, it makes me not care about the music at all. Like something can sound nice but if there is not a human behind the creation of the music in at least some capacity, I literally could not care about it at all. The human nature of music creation is really what makes me care about the music itself. And I think at least in some areas that is what will save the music world, particularly in performance because if you take the human element out of music, you literally remove its heart and soul. And I sincerely hope because artists are inherently about the human connection that it will keep the human creation of music alive. I compose myself and have also been involved in the creation of new works from composers. If I was going to perform a new piece with my choir and I found out that it was AI generated, all of my investment in the music itself would just die instantly. It’s just a visceral reaction that I have.

I got 5 out of 5 correct on 1st attempt. For me, the AI will always sound like its imitating a style but.. doenst quite get it right, similaar to what i would imagine say a 1st year composition student who was asked to write a composition " in the sfyle of"

wait a minute. is this the violinist guy in Arcane?

Needed more romantic and late classical in order to tell.

7:57 I knew the second one here was George Crumb’s Black Angels because I did an in-depth analysis of it this past semester. But why does the first recording sound like something someone would actually compose today? 😭

Ray listened rather to the playing. But I think one could also tell by the originality of the melody.

can you react to the band called Morfonica??

Round 3 was harder, but what gave it away for me were the weird artifacts of a sound being ambiguous between solo and orchestra on a single note. The film score was definitely the most ‘mechanical’ human example, but still recognizably intentionally human. The others were fairly obvious. In fact, in all of them, the discriminating factor is a clear sense of metric organization in the human examples. The AI can’t replicate what we sense as “meter” because it only hears discrete chunks of sound and cannot organize them into a cohesive whole. The human examples also make better use of repetition as an organizing principle, the Corelli being a prime example.

The 3rd one I guessed right just because the double stops were too perfect and the 2nd one had a mistake.

Awa my favorite. Always makes me laugh.

But in some categories both selections were mediocre. You heard about the Renaissance artist Garbagio? And the Greek scholar Mediocrates? Then take into account the BIASED *selection* of the human piece, not showing human brilliance but -- Mediocrates. So then everything sounds comparatively AMAZING! But then compare it to Beethoven and think again. Flawed and brilliant. Thanks for a diverting video!

The video is great fun, but the comments here are fascinating- a lot to think about, a few different viewpoints and predictions- quite thought provoking. (Still don’t like that it’s happening in the creative arts though)

what AI was that?

Its actually Haydn concerto in C Major not G major

I got scared there for a second on the first baroque one when I heard the piece that was obviously Corelli and I was like, "oh no, did AI perfectly imitate Corelli? Are we doomed?"

In direct battle, the weight-lifter lost the competition with the crane , the chess master lost in front of the supercomputer, now the composer... But don't despair: there still are some blacksmiths, farriers, steam engine mechanics, chess masters, weight-lifters.

I got them all right 🎉

I wasnt even aware AI could mimic music! Also isnt Ray super cute when he stares off into space to think😭🩷 is it just me vjsbakgjxnskfgk

One question: The interpretation of the pieces are all of humans? Or the AI compotitons are also “interpretate” by AI?

I kept getting wrong until the third time. The reason is that I kept thinking that it was AI that I felt so perfect. From the fourth time, I thought that it was a person who felt perfect and answered it correctly. Indeed, it seems that people are still one step ahead.

The romantic A.I is SO convincing, and it sounds like Chopin.

Were the AI compositions performed by humans?

When you instantly recognize Lindsey Sterling