Air France B777 has Flight Control Instability on approach

Air France B777 has Flight Control Instability on approach | Uncommanded Aircraft

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05/APR/2022
Air France B777 performing flight from JFK to Paris was on short final when the airplane failed to respond to pilots' commands descending below glide path.
Flight crew managed to go around and position for another approach.
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@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын

Recovering an aircraft from an undesired flight situation at such low altitude is not easy. Good job, pilots!

@klauspeter-klausen470 2 жыл бұрын

This is why we love pilots. Hundreds of hours easy flighttime and out of sudden everything turns really bad. Pilots be like: Focus, analyse situation, run checklist, right decisions, everybody is safe.

@oiradariohoy 2 жыл бұрын

More work: DHL cargo plane crash-lands at Costa Rica airport; both crew members survived. 04/07/22

@phillee2814 2 жыл бұрын

Blancolirio already covered this, and he is current on type. He strongly suspects that interference on the localiser caused the turn, but the pilots' failed to disconnect the autopilot in response and fought it instead, from his own knowledge of the warnings going off in the background. But he cautioned that it will not be until the BEA has decoded and analysed the CVR and FDR that they will know for sure. They do have both, and apparently, both the localiser and glideslope data as captured by the aircraft are logged on the FDR, along with all control inputs. He confirmed translations with his wife, who is a fluent French speaker.

@sickheadache9903 2 жыл бұрын

@@klauspeter-klausen470 but it is 100% Pilot Error in the case. Wait..for it..

@briansmyla8696 2 жыл бұрын

@@phillee2814 I'm curious why the autopilot isn't programmed to automatically d/c when manual control inputs exceed a level that would be considered intentional rather than spurious. I mean, I realize that would be asking the engineers to idiot proof the system. And engineers know that whenever you idiot proof a system, a better idiot is generated as a result, but I digress.

@orion789 2 жыл бұрын

Stress was so high they depressed the radio switch unknowingly. That means they were grabbing and fighting the flight controls, whilst being low on final. That is madness.

@briansmyla8696 2 жыл бұрын

Not madness, it's panic. Not something that's a good look from a professional flight crew. Interesting to see if the aircraft wasn't responding because of something the flight crew overlooked.

@cityplanner3063 2 жыл бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 just blame blame blame, no praise at all? Even if they fucked up they still managed to recover.

@briansmyla8696 2 жыл бұрын

@@cityplanner3063 So they train not to panic in situations like this because panic makes things worse, and yet they panic. And you want to praise them for this.

@noble_xx1000 2 жыл бұрын

pilot didn't sound panicked they more so sounded surprised and caught off guard, put yourself in that situation, probably gonna start calling for your mother.

@babyj4154 2 жыл бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 you talk all that shit but probably never piloted an aircraft. But if you say so armchair pilot

@manutd455 2 жыл бұрын

Scary to hear all the alarms and warnings blaring in the background. Glad they made it back

@ABAviation747 2 жыл бұрын

indeed it was image heraing this as an atc

@tieoneon5240 2 жыл бұрын

@@ABAviation747 or the passengers

@the_bottomfragger 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody going to mention how quickly the ATC reacted and kept HW in front of them at 1500 feet so AF011 could climb freely in its go around? I know this is their job but that was still a great reaction.

@icun2212 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Thanks for mentioning it. ATC are the invisible guardian angel for us pilots

@peterjan2471 Жыл бұрын

As an ATCO myself I was most impressed with the call atc made at 1:52. He gave all the information the pilots needed, in a very calm way, and in one sentence removed so much stress from the situation. I found the difference between the adrenalin in the voice of the pilot amazing. Before he was very stressed out, after that call you could just hear the pilot relax a little

@XxJay71xX Ай бұрын

Yup, bro heard the involuntary comm from 011, and immediatly understood that something went very wrong with them, and immediatly took action to prevent any further collisions, that's a great ATC right there

@TheFlyingZulu 2 жыл бұрын

Daumn. That heavy breathing really tells how dire the situation was.

@hack1n8r 2 жыл бұрын

They were also initially fighting against the automation, which makes the controls considerably "heavy". Once the automation was disconnected, they were able to quickly regain full control. The autopilot was re-engaged once they were stable again. Kudos to the pilots for their quick recovery -- they definitely prevented a major catastrophe!!

@TDOBrandano 2 жыл бұрын

@@hack1n8r In theory pulling strongly enough on the controls should disengage the autopilot, that was probably one of the alarms that was blaring in the background

@BlueSkyUp_EU 3 ай бұрын

@@hack1n8r Hello from the future. The investigation report is out. They weren't fighting automation, they were fighting each other. The FO was pitching up, while the Captain was pitching down.

@gokmachine 2 жыл бұрын

The new rapport suggest the pilots were both flying (steering) the plane. Even so bad the clutch between the two yokes was disengaged. Also they both pushed the TOGA switch what brings the plane in a maximum power climb. Both are likely to be fired.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

So the initial report has come out saying that the aeroplane was operating perfectly normally but it appears that both pilots were giving control inputs, thus fighting against each other to hand fly the plane, not the PF against the automation.

@hifijohn Жыл бұрын

Graduates from the Inspector Clouseau school of piloting.

@alex2143 8 ай бұрын

Wow, that's a super scary situation and absolutely incredible how a professional flight crew can make such a basic mistake. I hope they get to the bottom of how that was ever possible.

@XxJay71xX Ай бұрын

That's surprisingly not so uncommon, remember that these guys are under a lot of stress, and a lot of time on very weird schedules, coupled with sometime jet lag... It makes for some very dumb mistakes that can have very dramatic outcomes. Not saying that's excuse what they did, they DID screw up. But at least they realized it quickly enough. ALL pilots makes dumb mistakes, even pros.

@thexen3120 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely terrifying hearing the pilot struggling physically with alarms blaring. Then brief silence when ATC asks "AF011?" hoping they respond. They must figure out why none of commanded inputs were responding. Epic save by the pilot!

@briansmyla8696 2 жыл бұрын

It would appear that the pilots erred, and that is what caused the incident.

@kevinhacken9801 2 жыл бұрын

@@briansmyla8696 Could you expand on that? Was there a report out already? Or is this a guess?

@mkkm945 3 ай бұрын

@@kevinhacken9801 A year late, but the report showed the pilots incorrectly diagnosed an issue (there was none) and then were giving opposite inputs for ~50 seconds causing all the issues.

@kevinhacken9801 3 ай бұрын

@@mkkm945 Thank you for the update!

@iTzNexXuS 2 жыл бұрын

This is the first time I believe I've heard a commercial airline pilot panic on the comms. Just hearing his voice, heavy breathing and the alarms going off sent chills down my back. Happy and relieved to hear they got control back of the aircraft and were able to get on the ground safely. Would love to know what caused the issue they experienced

@iaf22 2 жыл бұрын

unfortunately you hear that very often in CVR of some deadly crashes (you can find that online)

@PlaneSpottingBerlin 2 жыл бұрын

have you seen the Air Astana Embraer flight after maintainance in Lisbon? They nearly crashed due to not being able to steer the aircraft. Pilots asked for a site to ditch/crash the plane several times... must not have been a great feeling for the pilots...

@44R0Ndin 2 жыл бұрын

I agree that it's not panic, it's just the brain not processing parts of the incoming information that are not critical to the attempts to regain control of the aircraft. If you have a firm grasp of the control yoke and are applying significant force to it because the aircraft did something you didn't expect and you're working to correct for it, the specific placement of your fingers or what sounds you're making with your mouth and/or voice are not something you're going to be thinking about in that moment.

@jamescollier3 2 жыл бұрын

yes, panic. I think they were startled, as the plane followed the glide scope that was messed up, and forgot the autopilot was on. my guess. turned it off flew away

@44R0Ndin 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamescollier3 Startled? yes. Shaken? Probably! Paniced? Absolutely not. Startle is a reflex you have no control over, being shaken is a reaction to being startled, but most pilots that have been trained to handle nearly any kind of emergency situation have also trained themselves to not panic under stress, it's just something you have to do as part of being a pilot. Because if you panic when piloting an aircraft, you not only lose control of yourself, you lose control of the aircraft. These pilots most certainly did NOT lose control of the aircraft for long enough for anything bad to happen, therefore they did not panic. Were they stressed? Afraid? Probably! But again that doesn't mean they panicked.

@Anna-ju8fi 2 жыл бұрын

I was on this flight and it was scary, super grateful for pilot’s professionalism and crew that kept calm. It was also complete fog so we had no idea how close we were to the ground.

@muizzz771 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry you had to go through that

@robingore 2 жыл бұрын

Anna, dang! Glad you're safe. Did you guys realize something was wrong ... did the plane turn drastically or dive down? So scarey.

@Ben-go1iq 2 жыл бұрын

I call bs , looking at the raw data you wouldn’t notice shit onboard

@Anna-ju8fi 2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, we felt it - it felt as if it was accelerating very fast with the sound and then falling - three or four times , some passengers screamed..was scary! Felt super lucky to land safely after all

@osasunaitor 2 жыл бұрын

@@Anna-ju8fi this is the internet. Your story could be true, or it could be a total fake. I guess we will never know, but my experience tells me it's the second option.

@madeiraaviation4656 2 жыл бұрын

Damm, Very Scary to hear the Pilots fighting the flight controls 😰

@quentin_godec 2 жыл бұрын

C'est terrifiant d'entendre les alarmes et le pilote lutter pour prendre le contrôle de l'avion. Je suis heureux que tout se soit bien terminé. It's terrifying to hear the alarms and the pilot struggling to gain control of the plane. I'm glad it all ended well.

@gamingbud926 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the translation!

@will972flr 2 жыл бұрын

Oui vraiment terrifiant en vrai, on s'en rend pas compte mais c'est pas passé loin.. Un 777 en plus, gros porteurs, en région parisienne, ça aurait pu être catastrophique j'imagine même pas. Merci aux pilotes 🙏 quel sang froid

@williamf.7655 2 жыл бұрын

@@will972flr enfin Région parisienne pour décrire les abords de CDG, c'est très valorisant.

@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 2 жыл бұрын

Sure would like to hear what problem was discovered in a follow-up. The pilot’s stress was apparent in his comms during the SNAFU. Glad they got it sorted out and landed safely!

@johnellis5828 2 жыл бұрын

Likely missed something on the checklist. That or a maintenance issue with the autopilot.

@briansmyla8696 2 жыл бұрын

@@johnellis5828 I'm going to go with fatigue induced pilot error.

@Citiesinmotionplayer 2 жыл бұрын

After watching Blancolirio's video on this, it could be that an airport vehicle or other aircraft briefly obstructed the localizer signal, which caused the autopilot to veer off course. The pilots then didn't turn off the autopilot quickly enough

@hd-sf9li 2 жыл бұрын

french prelim investigation finds that FO was putting inputs into aircraft that the captain was not told about, so the captain called for go around, both fo and captain made simultaneous opposite inputs, even when climbing. It is human error

@spelldaddy5386 2 жыл бұрын

I have been very confused until now why controllers switched from talking to 011 to HW. Now I realized they are two separate aircraft. Previous reports were that 011 was instructed not to go below 1500, but they were struggling with the plane and went down further. Now I realize that it was a different aircraft that was told to level off to stay away from the distressed aircraft, very interesting

@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын

Transcript and radar footage really helps, doesn't it?

@spelldaddy5386 2 жыл бұрын

@@VASAviation the radar especially. Blancolirio used another channel's transcription, but it wasn't quite as clear. The visual is helpful. Keep up the hard work Victor!

@MSRTA_Productions 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad they were able to get into control of the aircraft 🙏🏼

@zarek7784 2 жыл бұрын

I was sure it would come out here, all the french press can't stop talking about this incident, thanks a lot!

@wouterbmx072 2 жыл бұрын

Was there a reason given in the press for this problem?

@inuliger 2 жыл бұрын

@@wouterbmx072 Would like to know as well

@wouterbmx072 2 жыл бұрын

Actually I searched google for "air france b777" and I got multiple hits in my native language (dutch), so all the available info is already out there. They are stil investigating :)

@zarek7784 2 жыл бұрын

@@wouterbmx072 we do not have much here in France, it is still heavily under investigation

@colinboneham7387 2 жыл бұрын

Hearing the alarms blaring like that in the background sure is shocking sound

@RobisonRacing68 2 жыл бұрын

Jesus all the alarms... That was intense.

@StrokeMahEgo 2 жыл бұрын

I find it interesting that one of the pilots eventually called and told the controller why they didn't answer before; I don't think being an instruction flight matters. Keeping the airplane from crashing matters. Aviate, navigate, communicate. In that order. "Sorry control, but you're last, I'm trying not to crash."

@l.d.t.6327 11 күн бұрын

You're confusing the AFR011 (the Boeing 777 that was having issues) with the AFR73HW that was having the instruction flight.

@JansViews 2 жыл бұрын

Kudos to the pilots and ATC once again!

@whiskeygolf 2 жыл бұрын

The atc which I most wanted since the 04/05…!😅😂 Thanks man!

@charleskennedy1712 2 жыл бұрын

- Wrong approach selected in the FMC (common) - Autopilot left engaged for far too long in the approach (habitual) - Trying to overcome the autopilot without disconnecting it (common) - Hasty and embarrassed go-around causes gear to be retracted before flaps (a quarter of all go-arounds) which triggers the config warning audible on the radio - Rapid return to the airport because the pilot knows there’s nothing wrong with the aeroplane. If he genuinely thought there was a defect there would have been a lengthy hold.

@atubebuff 2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the wrong runway in the FMS, interesting that the asked for the other runway during the go-around. I heard 2 alarms, a two-tone and a "cosmic" tone (config warning?), any idea what they relate to? Also isn't the AP suppose to disconnect if you move the yoke?

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

These are bold claims to make. I’m pretty sure that operating the controls disconnects the AP. Either way, I can see that your suggestion could be correct and that gross situational awareness, combined with startle and not following SOP (leading to more startle), may have caused this. The 777 is far more reliable and has such redundancy that this situation shouldn’t happen.

@auwz66 2 жыл бұрын

@@atubebuff The first alarm is the master. Its almost certainly due to the gear lever being moved to the up position whilst the flaps were fully extended. The master wont silence until the flaps have retracted to at least 20deg. The second tone sounds like the AP disconnect. As for will the AP disconnect if you move the controls... nope. It will actually try and fight you. Hence why the PF was out of breath.

@atubebuff 2 жыл бұрын

@@auwz66 I keep reading that applying 20-25 lbs of force on the yoke will disconnect the AP.

@kaypie3112 2 жыл бұрын

@@atubebuff You have to put a considerable amount of force on the yoke to disconnect the autopilot in that fashion.

@iaf22 2 жыл бұрын

Seems stressful indeed, loss of control so close to the ground... accident was few seconds away. looking forward to know what happened. Would have been another crew , might have been really bad news.

@tomhejda6450 2 жыл бұрын

... or the "another crew" wouldn't have gotten into the tough spot, who knows. We'll have to wait for the investigation. Either way, glad that this didn't end in a disaster!

@michaelmesicek2235 2 жыл бұрын

The 777X during test flights the FAA discovered an event where the airplane experienced an uncommanded pitch down event just like this.

@billywhizz6483 2 жыл бұрын

Blimey, that sounded close. Glad it all worked out.

@iaf22 2 жыл бұрын

@2:48 très longue vent arrière = very long downwind (not tailwind)

@KyrilPG 2 жыл бұрын

It's "très longue *vente* arrière" to be precise, not just "vent". "Vent arrière" would mean tailwind while "vente arrière" would mean downwind.

@iaf22 2 жыл бұрын

@@KyrilPG lol, no. I'm French... vente arrière doesn't exist. it's "vent arrière" but when you read it or say it , you do the 'link' with the 't' that is usually silent., so it just sounds like 'vente', but it's vent arrière and translation is downwind (from a circuit pattern in this case)

@KyrilPG 2 жыл бұрын

@@iaf22 Merci, je suis français aussi et on prononce bien vent(e) arrière en l'accordant au féminin et en marquant plus la liaison comme s'il y avait un e. Sinon c'est un vent arrière... C'est un héritage de la marine et comme pour beaucoup d'autres termes le e marqué est un abus de langage certes mais on dit "une vent(e) arrière" quand on parle de downwind. Toute la formule est d'ailleurs un abus de langage mais j'en ai vu pas mal qui écrivaient avec un e pour différencier la manœuvre. J'en ai même vu écrits dans des documentations, probablement pour éviter toute confusion. J'ai simplifié pour nos amis anglophones mais apparemment c'est raté 🤣

@mr2646 2 жыл бұрын

Thx for the full sequence. 👍

@hayleyxyz 2 жыл бұрын

Very professional controller

@kaan1kaya 2 жыл бұрын

Very professional ATC!

@reddog-ex4dx 2 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine anything more terrifying than losing control of your aircraft just before landing! Good job on the recovery Captain!

@gaelcharpentier4983 2 жыл бұрын

Great job ! Bonjour from France 🇫🇷

@Raptorman0909 2 жыл бұрын

Well that was super scary -- that close to the ground and descending, any problem could be your last. I hope to hear an update soon...

@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@pascaltorvic6246 2 жыл бұрын

Joli Travail les pilotes, malgré le stress, Bravo!

@Gnanmankoudji 2 жыл бұрын

En l'occurrence ils vont probablement être virés car ils ont carrément merdé, l'avion n'était pas en cause.

@Ztbmrc1 2 жыл бұрын

Juan Brown of the Blancolirio channel, himself being a B777 pilot did a video on this incident. He identified the alarm sounds in the background as nr 1: master warning and a bit later nr 2 the AP disengage warning. He thinks that de pilots initially fought the AP. When the AP is on, the controls are very havy. Anyway what exactly caused this B777 to suddenly veer of course he could not tell either.

@titteryenot4524 2 жыл бұрын

The most disturbing thing about this was hearing a panicked pilot; a species I had hitherto thought of as imperturbable, even in situations like this. If the pilot sounds afraid, be *very* afraid.

@xxxxxxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 2 жыл бұрын

1:25 ... the sound of a man who knows he's about to die. Thank God they resolved it.

@legrandchristophe605 Жыл бұрын

Well done for this channel. Precious. Just a correction : it’s not « going around we are at 4000 », but « going around but 4000 » (seems to mean that it was not the first expected altitude). Go on, and thank you 👍

@lex1945 2 жыл бұрын

Saw this early morning on Juan Browne's channel, pretty scary..

@jaanfo3874 2 жыл бұрын

This is a scary-sounding incident on the surface, but honestly the more details I hear about it the more it sounds like it was relatively minor and actually calls for some additional pilot training more than anything else. This video is a far-better translation and gives us far more information than I’ve seen yet anywhere else. I’m not an expert on aviation, much less an investigator privy to any details, just a fan who has followed the industry for 30+ years so take my analysis with a grain of salt. From what I can see here this is the sequence of events; AF011 is on final to 26L, flying on autopilot along the glide-slope using ILS as AF73HW is taking off from the same runway. For reasons unknown (Speculation; a combination of bad weather and the presence of AF73HW between AF011 and the glide-slope antenna led to interference in the glide-slope signal), AF011 deviated to the left of the glide slope. The pilot-flying on AF011 observes the deviation and instinctively attempts to hand-fly the aircraft back into the glide-slope, however they fail to disconnect the autopilot and wind up fighting against it. As the PF realizes the aircraft is not responding to his inputs he panics and accidentally keys the transmitter, letting us and ATC hear that they’re struggling with the aircraft and various alarms are going off. The tower hears that AF011 is in distress and instructs AF73HW to stop their climb, amidst this we hear AF011’s autopilot disconnect tone transmitted (Whether the crew recognized that they were fighting the autopilot and turned it off, or the plane itself disconnected it due to control inputs or a stall warning will have to be discussed by investigators). Shortly thereafter the crew on AF011 informs the tower that they’re going around and had experienced a flight control problem, but they’re in control once again. The airplane continues around and lands without further problem. I could be completely wrong; As I said; I’m not an expert, just a casual observer. In any case, thank you for this VAS as it’s the clearest view of what happened yet.

@kjdude8765 2 жыл бұрын

That seems like the general consensus among the people who have experience. Juan Browne suggests that the master caution warning is related to raising the gear while the flaps are at the wrong setting. Which makes some sense with the overall situation.

@milantenbroek1214 2 жыл бұрын

To be honest, you will notice when you are trying to make inputs while the autopilot is engaged. When you feel a lot of resistance in the controls, the first thing that comes to my mind is to check if I, for whatever reason, failed to disconnect the autopilot. I don't fly airliners (yet) though so what do I know :) . It's still a weird situation, mainly because they were fighting the controls but eventually got them back rather quickly and landed without any problem. If it were a hydraulic failure, most of the time they would publish that info quite soon in the media. Maybe they had a stabilizer runaway, but that doesn't really explain the movement to the left. Could also have been some computer f*ck ups. It's just a weird situation.

@MatthewDelBuono 2 жыл бұрын

@@milantenbroek1214 the problem in these kinds of situations is that they are generally caused by complacency, and complacency breeds stupid decisions and thoughts. Just like how we all KNOW how to recover from a stall, until you're actually put in that emergency situation (not simulated), it's very difficult to see how you will actually behave. In a similar manner, I'm sure looking back at this tape, the PF is thinking "how the hell did I not realize the autopilot was still connected" but in the moment your brain is not thinking rationally and it's probably thinking about the 100 other (extremely rare) reasons the controls could be fighting him and not the common cause which should not be true (because normally the AP should already be disconnected, so "obviously" that must be true). One thing's for sure, though: he'll never make this mistake again.

@uski 2 жыл бұрын

My take on that is that there could also be issues with the ergonomics of the controls. Pilots will do mistakes - we need to acknowledge that fact and try to design the controls and alarms to instinctively guide the pilot so that the situation does not escalate. More training, sure, but also maybe the controls can be improved, or some automation can be changed. This is why I am very happy to know that the BEA (French NTSB) will do a full investigation which will very likely lead to multiple recommendations and hopefully not just "pilot training"

@jaanfo3874 2 жыл бұрын

@@uski Sorry, not meaning to sound like I’m dumping all the blame on the pilots. Incidents like this require an alignment of any number of multiple factors and the pilots’ response will ultimately likely only be a part of the story. But from the early articles I read you’d swear we found ourselves a new 737MAX scandal and every bit of new information that comes out about what happened makes the issue sound less and less dire, more and more like a narrow set of unusual circumstances meeting up with pilots who managed to momentarily get a little behind the aircraft, and that’s actually quite relieving when weighed against the MAX issues.

@masiosareanivdelarev562 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting video

@Blast6926 2 жыл бұрын

Wow they sounded really distressed!

@tomsmith5584 2 жыл бұрын

And now you know why they practice this stuff twice a year in a full motion simulator.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

One might question the quality of Air France training as this isn’t the first time their pilots have shown an utter lack of ability to fly an aeroplane.

@PetrolHeader 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdOeuna yeah sure, and you know all that based on watching 5min video on the internet....

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

@@PetrolHeader - I’ve watched several of these videos and, with knowledge of the 777, I can’t make a claim that these AF pilots aren’t fit for purpose.

@PetrolHeader 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdOeuna you do know however that training programs are regulated and thus validated by international organization? And that lots of AF pilots (as with other airlines) are trained by Boeing directly for initial aircraft rating?

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

@@PetrolHeader - maybe someone from Boeing trained them for an initial endorsement, but to fight the AP whilst trying to manoeuvre an aircraft is utterly ridiculous and shows how these pilots are overwhelmed.

@luisportillo7607 2 жыл бұрын

Hey! Today a DHL B757 veered off the runway in MROC. I don't know if there's any audio of that, I hope you can make a video about it.

@trenton.tchannel1810 2 жыл бұрын

It’s video on you tube of that whole crash

@kehreazerith3016 2 жыл бұрын

AP is supposed to disconnect if you give the yoke enough input force but it seems like it did not despite giving it all the muscle he had, I would consider that a minor to moderate mechanical or software related failure but in that instant the pilot forgot to do one of the most basic things which is check to see if the autopilot is still active or not but I guess in a panic he was only focused at the yoke.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

There are so many back up systems in the 777 that a failure of one will not cause the aircraft to become uncontrollable.

@pavelavietor1 2 жыл бұрын

Hello scary glad they made it. Saludos

@sparthyslaysstuff2405 2 жыл бұрын

Scariest kinda upset is an upset so close to the ground.

@jasonredd616 2 жыл бұрын

This audio is is terrifying!!!

@Rhaman68 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! I would like an investigation to analyze what happened and read the report. I’m guessing ground equipment signal interference as there is not enough info in the video. Approach and landing speeds and acft configuration make this segment of flight extremely dangerous. Glad the pilots did so well. Phew! Ret Captain

@lcf34 2 жыл бұрын

There will be reports on BEA website. But likely in 1+ year from now.

@emilioossa163 2 жыл бұрын

as soon as you heard the breathing, everyone got quiet and might though.... you can make it

@m4nu507 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do the DHL runway excursion today in MROC?

@psps6623 3 ай бұрын

When ATC in a foreign language is still easier to comprehend than ATC at JFK

@DirectorOfFUN1 2 жыл бұрын

If you listen, the ap disconnect tone sounds after their initial struggle. They were fighting controls because the ap was still engaged. 🤦‍♂️

@joelguti5079 2 жыл бұрын

it is very important to know why the controls did not respond, the triple 777 is used in many airlines

@Blank00 Жыл бұрын

Turns out it is because of poor crew resourse management. The pilots were putting in conflicting inputs, one of them should've said "my controls" to prevent the incident

@bigscrounger 2 жыл бұрын

A little late disconnecting the AP? The deviation of ILS approach may be been due to a localiser antenna anomaly. Potentially the pilots could have been fighting with the AP on final prior to the TOGA (causing the plane 'not responding')... Just speculation... Will be interesting to see the final report on this.. thanks 👍🏽

@theprenos6872 2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't the AP disconnect itself if the pilot had given the yoke enough force?, i'm no expert but that's what happened in the russian plane crash right?

@jemand8462 2 жыл бұрын

The AP will immediately disconnect if you put in enough steering into the yoke. Also, it's the very first thing pilots are customed to do when something is wrong. So my best guess would be they actually couldn't get the AP to disconnect for some reason. I'm sure they didn't "forget" as you can hear them breathing strongly - which means they were using the yoke.

@FYI9102 2 жыл бұрын

at approach i believe the alarm at 1:08 must be the low speed warning, the only other alert for this is the crew alertness monitor(i think?). 1:25 is clearly the autopilot disconnect

@jemand8462 2 жыл бұрын

I don't remember a low speed warning even exists, I think this warning is about a wrong landing configuration (no gear but flaps 30), but maybe that's also dependant of speed/altitude..

@FYI9102 2 жыл бұрын

@@jemand8462 yes you're right, after doing more research 1:08 is not a low speed warning but indeed a config warning

@AaronShenghao 2 жыл бұрын

Pucker factor 10 The only alarm I recognized was autopilot disengage at 1:25.

@sdcf334 2 жыл бұрын

The oscillating constant one is GPWS

@laurianvandevelde3392 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who’s surprised by the fact they don’t speak english with international planes on the same frequency?

@lornes7526 2 жыл бұрын

No, not surprising at all. It is the same in Montreal, Central & South America, many many places.

@TheReverses78 2 жыл бұрын

They were speaking English with El Al and the Alpine flight......................

@tortue_ch 2 жыл бұрын

Not surprised at all. Almost all airports in the world talk in the national language with national company.

@arpansonawane6027 2 жыл бұрын

That may be an international flight... Pilot z talking to the ATC of his base... U can talk to ATC in your local language if u r in ur base..... I heard LAHORE ir KARACHI ATC talk to their pilot in hindi( some time)..

@laurianvandevelde3392 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheReverses78 Yes but in an industry that always choosing safety as its first priority, you would expect planes who’re aligned on the same runway should know what the other one is up to. If I were the El Al pilot and heard the pilot in front of me suffer like that I would want to know what was going on.

@Boodieman72 2 жыл бұрын

First job is to fly the aircraft, everything else has to wait.

@LeantoPeak 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible, very curious to know what happened here.

@FlyNAA 2 жыл бұрын

Was there a landing aircraft immediately preceding AFR011? I wish the video started a little bit earlier. The facts in BEA’s just-released report suggest wake turbulence to me.

@jesse00pno 2 жыл бұрын

@VASAviation: Can you identify the different sounds we’re hearing in the recording? If you can’t, maybe Juan (blancolirio) can? I know he drives the 777.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

Juan has already made a video about this.

@sopyleecrypt6899 2 жыл бұрын

What are the different alarms that are sounding, does anyone know?

@TungTran_ Жыл бұрын

Omg Now I know in France use both French and English as ATC communication languages

@kelvin-zh9fm 2 жыл бұрын

What is up with all the Boeing incidents recently?

@smgebrov 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you to the pilots and thank you God 👍🙏🙏🙏

@daylemamosadi2707 Жыл бұрын

I was on an Air France flight AF990 (Boeing 777 -300) leaving CDG for Jhb on 8th arriving in the morning on the 9th, at 8:37 just before touching the ground the plane suddenly went up, there was silence for almost 30 Seconds then Air Hostess said Pilot will explain, there was further delay, later the pilot said they could not land due a situation and it was quite normal and will be landing in 7-10 Minutes again. The flight flew around for a while, only to land @ 9:02. Clearly the details were hidden from passengers After googling I saw the April 22 incident? Is there perhaps a problem with the 777, Air France??

@klauspeter-klausen470 2 жыл бұрын

When you go through the checklist extra fast.

@arkiefyler 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, this is one of the few "events" that requires correct steps be done by memory. However, many of the items of info have already been set in the physical computers/instruments. Plus, the process SHOULD have been briefed/reviewed for the human computers BEFORE every approach. The only "surprise" is that the need for the procedure actually happened. In general: add power, flaps (as needed), check climbing, gear up, check/engage missed approach altitude. Navigate as needed. Communicate when able. Fill out paperwork on the ground. 😁

@sickheadache9903 2 жыл бұрын

Check…The Check List!!

@dan_whalethen 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. What happened to the London video from a week or two ago, where two flights go too close to each other?

@hii-people2245 2 жыл бұрын

I just noticed that video was gone I wonder why?

@paulveitch 2 жыл бұрын

Not allowed to listen to, record or make videos using "official communications" in the UK

@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын

We were forced to remove it

@dan_whalethen 2 жыл бұрын

@@VASAviation Had a feeling that was the case. That's a shame.

@PetrolHeader 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I like this channel and content, I can understand why nowadays you would want to clamp down on public access to that kind of material. Those things may goes viral so fast with general public reaction lacking the explanation, understanding and precaution that this channel provides.

@0860888080 2 жыл бұрын

Is it me or is the radio's audio quality better in France (at least CDG) than most US airports? (let's not even mention tugs at JFK)

@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын

It is you I think

@cityplanner3063 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone with some experience tell us what the alarms were?

@bardo0007 2 жыл бұрын

It seems to me the autopilot was on, he had to swich it off to avoid a serious problem. .

@davidbednar7174 2 жыл бұрын

It's so French of them to talk to Air France in French and everyone else in English

@theMoerster 2 жыл бұрын

Makes perfect sense to speak in native language when it is the same for both parties. Less chance of a mix-up. Happens all the time all around the world, not just in France.

@tortue_ch 2 жыл бұрын

you should travel more. :)

@Gnanmankoudji 2 жыл бұрын

All those concerned here speak the same language, the other pilots who do not speak French are not concerned, and when they must be, the tower or pilots speaks to them in English. Whether you're English or not, it's so English to want to impose things on others that they don't need.

@kaypie3112 2 жыл бұрын

Very common in foreign countries for pilots and controllers of that country to communicate in their native tongue

@Gnanmankoudji 2 жыл бұрын

@@kaypie3112 Without even mentioning the fact that speaking a language other than one's native tongue requires more cerebral effort, in an emergency situation here between French people, there was absolutely no reason for them to speak English except to increase the risk of a crash...

@the_ww1_fallen468 2 жыл бұрын

I see the aircraft in question is still in use...

@Gnanmankoudji 2 жыл бұрын

It was apparently the fault of the pilots. So the question is whether these pilots are still flying.

@DailyAviationGeeks 2 жыл бұрын

Dang

@hendricstattmann3638 2 жыл бұрын

My take would be an inadvertent wrong programming of the autopilot, e.g setup for 26R instead of 26L. Approaching the runway, pilots notice the wrong alignment with the runway and try to manually override the AP without switching it off. This explains the physical struggle of the pilot. They then decide to go around, but raise the gear first without raising the flaps, causing the configuration alarm. As soon as the aircraft was configured correctly, everything went back to normal.

@lornes7526 2 жыл бұрын

If that's the cause, it'd be great. We don't need another type of aircraft developing a mind of it's own, although the 777 has been a really good aircraft.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

Both pilots should check the FMS set up before the approach, so this should be unlikely. Not impossible though, and human error is always the first point of blame for these incidents.

@jemand8462 2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to physically struggle to oversteer the autopilot. As soon as you give some input into the yoke, the AP disconnects by itself.

@jemand8462 2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that they touched the gear or flap lever in such a situation. I would guess the alarms started because they suddenly went to low or slow with the wrong configuration - however the configuration wasn't meant for this low and slow.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

@@jemand8462 - I can’t recall or find the required force to disengage the AP via control column input. It will clearly exceed the normal forces applied to the control column from holding it during critical phases or even nudging the column when exiting or returning to the seat during flight. I also haven’t seen any bulletins from Boeing, so the initial response to the situation isn’t like that for 5G.

@pololedodo7981 2 жыл бұрын

The pilot's voice is shaky afterward. He got really scared.

@betting4life948 2 жыл бұрын

God that's scary

@sb75ification 2 жыл бұрын

Sounded like he was fighting a hemorrhoid there for second! Also, the French are so laid back in many ways, compared to Americans (I’m American). French pilot notifies French ATC, “we were having flight control problems, we couldn’t control anything” French ATC replies “yes I saw you going left….no problem” no “mayday” no “are you declaring an emergency” 😂

@olivierb9716 2 жыл бұрын

declaring an emergency is standard phraseologie??

@johnellis5828 2 жыл бұрын

@@olivierb9716 yes, it is.

@bernarddebbasch1106 2 жыл бұрын

I am originally from France and have live in the US for 28 years. There are good and bad things on both sides. The French ATC and pilots should only be speaking English especially at a large international airport like CDG. The Turkish pilot we hear has likely no idea about what is happening since it is all in French (no situation awareness). I also agree that there is too much chatter w/o real information. There is also a very special way aviation people talk (including flight attendants) which sounds annoying at time (it is like a singing that only them use). But at the end they saved everyone and will likely only fly Airbus in the future (last part is a joke!).

@kaypie3112 2 жыл бұрын

@@bernarddebbasch1106 when you fly into Mexico, everyone is speaking English except the Mexican airlines. They and the controllers communicate with each other in Spanish. So, the phenomenon you describe is quite common in foreign countries.

@flyifri 2 жыл бұрын

What did they say...?

@boarding2gate63 2 жыл бұрын

What is happening this week!!!?

@prorobo 2 жыл бұрын

Fly by wire means things can go wrong with the AP disconnected since the yoke and rudder pedals are not directly connected to control surfaces. Redundant systems are designed to prevent this, but a perfect storm of problems could easily affect safety of flight which is very likely what happened here.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

The 777 has so much redundancy that there isn’t really a time when the FBW won’t work.

@prorobo 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdOeuna yet here we are with a 777 having flight control problems on final.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

@@prorobo - the information strongly shows that the pilots were panicking because they couldn’t control the aircraft whilst the autopilot was still engaged. Major pilot stuff up. Nothing wrong with the automation, apparently. The automation has 3 autopilots and redundancy in all systems.

@prorobo 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdOeuna while that wouldn’t be surprising given non-US airlines like their pilots to over-rely on automation, where is this information you’re referencing? If AF pulled the FDR data, that wouldn’t be made public anytime soon. Like to think an airline that once flew Concorde has pilots capable of hand flying one of the most docile widebodies ever made.

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

@@prorobo - I’m familiar with the 777 systems and, like with the electrics and hydraulics, there are back ups and redundancy. The flight controls do have direct connection to one pair of spoilers for roll control. Boeing have so much confidence in the capability of the systems that these two spoilers are all that is required for the 30 seconds or so it takes for the automation and FBW to restart. I’m not sure about he suggestion that non-US companies like their pilots to use automation to excess. You’re suggesting that American pilots are the best and everyone else is, to some degree or other, is worse. These aircraft are docile and so pretty easy to fly. I think pilot ability is more to do with understanding the automation than just hand flying skills. This incident suggests the pilots didn’t understand what was going on. The Asiana 777 crash showed us the pilots didn’t understand the automation. These are training issues no amount of hand flying skills will help. I’d also suggest, from this US centric channel, that there are more than enough problems in US aviation.

@ex59neo53 2 жыл бұрын

Vivent les ATC Français ! Long live french ATCs ! (hey ,I'm French , ;o) )

@quentin_godec 2 жыл бұрын

Vive la France !

@NBT2469 2 жыл бұрын

Bonjour!!! 🙂

@VegasLoungeAct 2 жыл бұрын

Are pilots & ATC not required to speak English at all times no matter the country?

@B--ip9bm 2 жыл бұрын

Not in France, french pilots and ATC can speak in their mother language, that the case for the majority of french airlines

@Gnanmankoudji 2 жыл бұрын

@@B--ip9bm Not only french airlines. Basically every non-English country.

@B--ip9bm 2 жыл бұрын

@@Gnanmankoudji indeed

@user-cr4sc1ht9t 2 жыл бұрын

Is that windshear alert?

@amggaming3528 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the master caution.

@aceshigh8781 2 жыл бұрын

there's two alarms. The first one (repeating) is an overspeed warning, thse second ine is the autopilot disconnecting

@boyousef544 2 жыл бұрын

Jaammed controls , from the way the first officer breathing .

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

Jammed because the AP was still on and doing its thing.

@aviationx1735 2 жыл бұрын

This situation makes me think what the china eastern pilots would have gone through 😔

@BALTAZARFAP 2 жыл бұрын

copilot with controls.... he turns left,, the captain try to correct him (without advice) turning to the right... copilot thinks something is happen ,,and move yoke harder,,, captain thinks there is automation problem,,,,copilot thinks the same,.,.,, thats double input. however, good decition to go around

@sickheadache9903 2 жыл бұрын

I Bet U All, though I could be wrong🤔 That it will be concluded it was 100% Pilot Error. Boeing 777’s just don’t cluck up, without a lil help from Pilots! I can like u all hear all the bells and whistles going off, and that tells me…someone was asleep at the switch. I heard the Auto-Pilot go off. There are tons of Videos of Air Plane Take Offs and Landings of Triple 7’s and this is the first…I’m hearing this…What Do U All Think? Happened Here?

@EdOeuna 2 жыл бұрын

GS or LOC interruption caused the AFDS to enter the flight stabilisation mode. Pilot has panicked and tried to fly the aircraft without first disconnecting the AP. The go-around was incorrectly flown with the gear going up before flaps, resulting in a config warning.

@sickheadache9903 2 жыл бұрын

@@EdOeuna I could hear the Auto Pilot being disengage later as he struggles…I can hear all them Triple 7’s Bells and Whistles Going off. I figured it was the Pilot..because I have not seen anything from Boeing or Others about any issues on the Landing of Triple 7..it is like in Dec.2021 when Emirates Boeing 777 was taking off from Dubai and a small checklist item was not taken care of…Like Autopilot Altitude which was Still set at 0…Just barely missing homes at the end of the runway!

@jemand8462 2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm isn't Boeing known for having those "cables", i.e. not a complete fly-by-wire system in case something stops working? Seems to not help very much...

@outermarker5801 2 жыл бұрын

Only the 737

@Hk-uw8my Жыл бұрын

The 737 , 757 , 767 and 747 400 use conventional controls with cables and PCUs. 777 and 787 are fly by wire.

@tomwoods910 2 жыл бұрын

Would be better if everyone used English on frequency, to maintain good situational awareness (SA) for all. Confusion and lack of SA due to multiple languages being used has caused accidents in the past. However, good job from the crew and the tower controller. Glad they landed safely.

@NeelHippalgaonkar Жыл бұрын

It’s common in other countries for ATC to speak native language with airlines that speak same language

@rickfeng4466 Жыл бұрын

Turns out to be the Boeing version of Dual-Input 🤦🏻‍♂️

@BlueSkyUp_EU 3 ай бұрын

And bad communication / CRM

@krazyzito6274 2 жыл бұрын

Crew error

@SpottingTLV 2 жыл бұрын

There is a translation error at 4:20 The controller meant downwind not tailwind

@oiradariohoy 2 жыл бұрын

Aviate, navigate, communicate.

@iaf22 2 жыл бұрын

and that's what they did well (call you back call you back)

@oiradariohoy 2 жыл бұрын

@@iaf22 Absolutely!

@TheWabbit 2 жыл бұрын

That was really hairy, might have been a defecate in there somewhere!! Great job all around.

@gerrypaolone6786 2 жыл бұрын

Why in the world do they speak French in one of the biggest airport of Europe. That's unbelievable

@ALEX-bc2kc 2 жыл бұрын

it is true that the fact that French pilots in a French plane speak French to French controllers in a French airport is absolutely breathtaking...

@gerrypaolone6786 2 жыл бұрын

@@ALEX-bc2kc yes it is because all of them must speak international English being normal ops

@Hk-uw8my Жыл бұрын

@@gerrypaolone6786 wrong, they have no obligation to speak english in their country as french is one of the 6 icao languages, therefore it can be used for ifr ops. For spanish and chinese countries it is the same.

@gerrypaolone6786 Жыл бұрын

@@Hk-uw8my lol this is wrong. They are obligated to speak English and can speak other languages with crews that are confortable with the other language with "other language" independent of any rule. ICAO official languages are the UN official languages and refers only to documents and publications. This is one of the more busy airports in Europe and crews are from all around the world as policy eng should be the only language to maximize situational awareness of everyone.

@Hk-uw8my Жыл бұрын

@@gerrypaolone6786 no you dont know what you're talking about. For recreational vfr ops you can talk whatever language you have in common with the tower . For ifr commercial flight however you can only use the 6 icao languages and each one of them has a standard phraseology You cant talk german for example or any other language that are not icao for ifr commercial flights. Real world atc is not like flight simulator where everyone talks in english, everywhere, although everyone who is involved in commercial operations can talk in english as required ,which is different.

@MrPmclh 2 жыл бұрын

Oh shit oh shit oh shit... Everything is under control... Aviate Navigate Communicate.

@idunnoanymore2870 2 жыл бұрын

FRIGHTENING WITH ALL THE ALARMS GOING OFF AND HEARING THE PILOTS STRUGGLING TO GAIN CONTROL!!!! 😧

@christophbucker904 2 жыл бұрын

They forgot to turn off AP

@VASAviation 2 жыл бұрын

AP should disengage after inputs on the yoke

@christophbucker904 2 жыл бұрын

@@VASAviation i know, but it was a very long flight, u know. Maybe they forgot to turn off the AP and wondered why their inputs didn't follow directions, so that they increased the input's strength, which let the AP turn off

@sbreheny 2 жыл бұрын

@@christophbucker904 That doesn't make sense - if the AP had been left on (but not in glideslope mode or descent mode) then it should have been preventing them from descending - instead it seems like it was making them descend too quickly.

@christophbucker904 2 жыл бұрын

@@sbreheny hmmm ok =/

@aviatordiego4769 2 жыл бұрын

Nope, you can clearly hear the autopilot disconnect alarm at 1:25.