so just go visit a zoo then...

Yes but only a sanctuary. I’m not gonna support their exploitation.

I am here just to see Dina😘😷

Absolutely not. These animals should be free. There are ways to create reserves where they are fed and have minimal contact with humans (just veterinarians, for example). Exploration will not end until their treatment as "pets" does not stop. Tradition does not mean it is right. What about doing these videos only when you can have the input of a specialist with a different opinion?

@@anaclaudiasaobernardo6449 I agree with you that they should be free but under capitalism I believe that to be impossible, as long as money is required for people to live, elephants will be hunted for their ivory. Sure there are ways to create reserves with minimal contact but capitalism ensures that exploitation will occur and people are more willing to exploit animals than humans most of the time unfortunately.

Christopher T. I agree they shouldn’t be hypocritical. IMO all animal exploitation is wrong.

I think the difference is in the structure of the elephants skeleton. It curves a lot at the top and causes them a lot of pain to be ridden. Horses back structure is different and can be ridden without causing that kind of pain. Also elephants have to be broken in a horrible manner and abused to be put in a state where they will follow the commands of people. I think a lot of it also comes down to domestication (of most horses around the world) but yeah there are sure issues in the treatment of horses around the world!

Good point, man it's sad how many people dont realize when they are being hypocritical.

@@Reevayad The "Breaking" is actually becoming obsolete and has been for quite awhile with the introduction of people who use behavior modification ("horse whisperer", Roberts, Parelli, etc.) instead of violence. Of course, places vary and so do methods. Greed is a real motivator for some people. I owned horses at one point, and you can get a horse to do a lot for you if you exercise and train. Btw, the training isn't so far off of what we do with dogs, we just tailor it for the species. My guys were gentle, would pick up their feet themselves for cleaning, stand without being tied, and little kids could safely ride/groom/interact with them. I had a loving and respectful relationship with my horses (just like my dogs, too), so respectful training really does work. Now, I did Western riding and wasn't competitive. But then, I have known quite a bit of people who do both Western and English who are competitive and were training and using ethical practices just like I did. I do think things are getting better for horses overall. Unfortunately you will still meet those terrible, unenlightened, and cruel people who stick to the old ways that should be done away with. But, I think they are becoming the minority are no longer the majority.

@@Reevayad I'm interested to see evidence of this as I've never ever seen an elephant with spinal damage due to riding. And there is a long long history of riding going back millennia.

Mi Ki I judge other cultures based on my values and I judge my own culture based on my values too or i’m a hypocrite! People who horse riding in the west and people who eat pigs and cows here have no rights to criticize any culture who ride elephants or eat dogs and cats BUT vegans and people who reject both definitely can and have to!!

@@Enjoytheshow435 look up phanjaan and tell me how we train horses is similar.

@@saytax i see you keep talking about this "elephant crushing" thing. You can see from this video that we dont do that anymore. You keep watching videos of elephant being torture from 1999 and assuming that we still doing it proundly. Must admitt that there's still some place doing elephant crushing, but we are against them too. And hey sometimes you cowboys kills your horses when they refuse to be running but Thai people cant say a thing about it.

@@bankbangbang5422 What I do see is elephants being guided around with bullhooks in the ear and painting with someone next to them. What are they doing? We can't see. But I have seen elephants coerced into painting being manipulated by pain. Slaughter houses for horses is illegal in the US and it's not economical to simply put then down. Horses are sold and repurposed as companion horses, studs, broods, ect. You can't get any money back if you kill the animal.

@@Enjoytheshow435 u cant compare horses with elephants. Its a big difference. Horses are domestic animals and their back is designed in a way to be ridden. They dont have to beaten into submission like ppl do to the elephants.

Especially those broken by phanjaan.

Hate- Chan I don’t think so. I think people need to have the same energy.

Riding isn't the problem. People are concerned about the health, living condition, and the well being of the animals. Also elephants are very intelligent and emotional beings. Imo we are doing good re-evaluating ower use of animals.

Exactly, how many horses dead for show and competition in western why they can’t stop isn’t that is also animal cruelty ? 🤷🏽‍♀️

@@samirahsamir6930 How many horses have been injured and put down? Too often people just throw them away. We do need to do something to save elephants though, and if the elephants are taken care of and not abused, then these sanctuaries are overall good. We shouldn't assume that each person working with intelligent creatures must be abusive.

@@FireRupee Were you listening? The Elephants in "Sanctuaries" exhibit more symptoms of stress than elephants who work or doing shows.

Look up phanjaan and realize it is not a good point.

No we haven't. Modern horses are bred into domestication and lots of horse variaties are quite different from their wild ancestors. It is not the same with the Asian elephants in captivity.

Search elephants spirit being broken it literally heartbreaking you can never get an elephant to obey without it going through a brutal method of abuse, torture, isolation and starvation i have never seen a horse being tamed like that so remember everytime you go to visit places like Asia you're contributing in the abuse of elephants as well as other animals.

Stupid ignorant. Elephants are not domestic animals like horses. What u call taming elephant is torturing them. Horses are not tortured. They are farm animals and domestic animals.

@@lastoutlaw3882 hmm horse 'breaking' isn't fun for the horse either. They are not born wanting us to ride them. Bits actually hurt their mouth too. I worked with horses for years if you are planning to tell me I know nothing about horses. I was just kinda programmed from a young age, like all of us, that using animals for entertainment etc was OK.

Are there elephant sanctuaries in thailand or all elephants are domesticated in thailand?

@erinaltstadt Lovely comment from evidently an open-minded person who doesn't simply watch a rehashed Peta video and make blanket judgements about those who care for captive elephants. Nice to read on social media - a world where discussion is rarely allowed and people allow their emotions to get in the way of reason, actual facts, and rational thought.

Those were not experts, they are just people who profit off exploting elephants. Do not ride elephants, do not take selfies with elephants, do not support places that exploit elephants for profit. The best thing you can do for elephants is not give money to people who enslave them and just leave them alone.

@@mrtullyteacher9634 What if you had a child and that child was taken away from you, beaten for weeks, held in a small enclosure, and made to perform stupid tricks for the rest of their life to entertain other people? Would that bother you at all or is crying for your stolen, tortured child too "emotional" and not "logical" enough for you?

@@Tracydot3sorry but you haven't a clue. You are suggesting leaving captive elephants alone? So let them starve to death? Get poisoned? Hit by cars? Shot? And that is from a position of care for elephants?? Go and speak to people who care for elephants - there are some amazing people out there who don't have time to pass judgement and point score behind keyboards in the West. Learn about how they risk their lives to ensure the best care and well-being for these magnificent animals, before judging all because you have read some Peta material or watched a staged video showing abuse with sad piano music and let your emotions overtake rational thought and your ability to think critically about a complex issue. Be open-minded, meet people on the ground, think critically about all issues. Also question why fake narratives are pushed...follow. the. Money. 💰

@@Tracydot3 so pointing out that this is a complex issue and there are many, many wonderful people caring for captive elephants is the same as supporting barbaric training methods (which are NOT normal) and supporting circusses (which are also far from the norm, I've never seen one in Northern Thailand). Wouldn't it be nice if this complex issue was that simple. Then we could all decide who was on the side of good v evil. It isn't. As with any complex issue, the ability to be open-minded and think critically is needed or it's best avoided altogether.

Elephants were stolen from the wild and their mothers illegibly they were two. Domesticating baby elephants is legal Therefor, there would be no need to train them. Please copy and past these key words into your search how to crush an elephants spirit for tourism They predict that Asian elephants will become extinct by the year 2050 and it's not because of lack of tourism! It's because of activities like this. In order to tame a wild animal, and the only way to train an elephant is through abusive training. Elephants can't keep their numbers up when they are taken from the wild where they can thrive and breed. These elephants are bought from training camps and are used for profit.

Not as informative as it should be.

@Pichada Saeheng I'm talking about phajaan.

@Pichada Saeheng Yeah, it was deliberately vague. Trying to spark up conversation.

@Abe E Hold up. Youre compairing idiots like TK to things like Western Zoo's. TK isn't a proffesional and America like an other country has uniformed and uneducated people who are fooled by words like "sancturary" as any other person. DOn't paint with a broad brush.

While there is some truth to this, it is also untrue in a large degree. I had the wonderful opprotunity to intreact with elephant caregivers in Thailand. They really did care very much for their elephants and adopted and rescued others. Your comment is an oversimplification and an over generalization.

@Abe E Damn dude you and 7 others are very simple minded. I also watched a ted bundy documentary on netflix. What do you make of that? One guy's behavior doesnt not reflect the mentality of a whole country. How do you not know this? Jesus! Plus the west criticizes the west too you know. And the east criticizes the west all the time. Shit going down everywhere man. Criticism is necessary to improve whatever. What is freedom if we cannot express what we feel is wrong? Do you work for CCP?

David Thattenbanos Righteous American here😡

You are part of the problem, white guy claims he knows more about training elephants than the Thai experts that have been working with elephants for 1000s of years. Why the heck do you think they would abuse something that is their livelihood? A happy healthy animal wouldn't perform or partake. DUH!!

it was not allow by the law but the tourist don't knew about and thought that's in bad way. they don't knew how serious of us to protect and living with them.

😂😂

Have you been there?

and you will continue your whataboutism on that video? of course not :)

Mister X last time I took a comment from an anonymous account seriously was, let me take a look at my calendar .... oh, never!!

Elephants are STILL wild animals. They are not build for riding or any form of human interaction. In fact their back is totally different from horses for example, which makes it painful for them to carry things. Also elephants are normally quite aggressive and impulsive animals. Those that you see in the video have been trained through torture to be able to interact with humans

daddyorama factory farming isn’t just western. Including Asia.

@@pri.sci.lla. but it did get it's start in west .

Horses are domesticated animals that have a dependent relationship with humans. Elephants are not, you cannot domestic and elephant you can only tame them. It’s not the same at all. Now do both animals suffer from abuse? Yes. Also you do here all the time for stables to be closed. And are you saying because the west does something bad they can’t criticise the practices of others because that’s a logical fallacy. Instead you can admit both sides are exploiting animals for their own personal game and it needs to be addressed in the west and in other parts of the world.

falloutjustcause falloutjustcause Damn it man! Don’t you see. It’s clearly seen in the video how much the elephants have become dependent on man after thousands of years. And btw, the west have always thought they’re immune to criticism, and have found white man’s culture to be superior. Thus, they have always tried to destroy other cultures saying they’re uncivilised. Look what they did to African, Indian and the American Indian cultures. They are so stubborn that the get clouded in their own opinions and understanding while not having a glimpse of thought from the POV of a thai. They feel that only their bonding with horses is special, while the Thai’s bond with elephants is exploitation. The first thing they need is a cure for this stubborn mindset, to get out if their well, and see the world as it is and have always been

@@falloutjustcause Thai people domesticated elephants for thousands of years. You can research the fox domestication experiment for reference. It basically the same thing.

Jaan C it’s not.

They should, as with dogs and cats an parrots and name it..., lots of mistreated animals everywhere. If we take animals in captivity, we should care well for them. Ive seen how badly elephants (animals in general) are treated in some places in Thailand firsthand. Not all are well cared for in sanctuaries.... So I see this vid as incomplete/naive.

Yup, sounds nice, but I don't buy it for full 100 percent though. Seen some awful stuff in Thailand with animals, made my stomach turn. And some positive stuff too with e.g. good elephant sanctuaries. But in general those experiences left me with a deep sense of unease. Humanity has a really f-d relationship with animals.

sundawg911 Not all are like that. There are zoos that is based on the spirit of conservation that allows you to pet or ride elephants. I remember going to one in Taman Safari, a safari-like zoo in Indonesia. Now, Indonesia has some history of bad zoos, but this one is legit. The animals are well-taken care of and it has been trusted to house many different and difficult to maintain animals. The only deaths and accidents in that zoo that I’ve heard of is animals dying of old age or dumb people who thought it’s a good idea to open their car doors in the carnivore of the park. I remember riding the elephants and even camels as a young kid.

So you admit Peta are full of shit but still keep on going on about captive elephants all being 'crushed'. #justnottrue

I went to Samui Elephant sanctuary and we were only allowed to touch their trunks when feeding them and not allowed to bath them which I was looking forward to

Oh interesting about the mushrooms, how strange

Sm Guess Great points and any of us who “know horses,” know that they actually DO enjoy being ridden, and only even adapted as runners because our ancestors actually hunted and regularly ate them.

@@funDAYsmiling that's right And the majority of the horses runners finish soon at the slaughterhouse

@@funDAYsmiling So this means you've spoken with a domesticated elephant who told you they don't like to be ridden?. Go out to the western U.S. and see if one of the 50,000+ wild horses running free out there "enjoy being ridden". I say let's free them all!

@@scunion66 U R right; what about the bulls in the rodeo festivals , corridas ( bullfight) and captives animals in zoos and circuses, not to mention guentanamo and the lies such Iraq's chemical weapons, just for crud oil ... and so on...

I think this is a great point. It shows how we should work together with are animal brothers and sisters. :)

This a reputable Sanctuary. This woman is a legend and has been on T.V. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rpqXY62IlbKmpWg.html

Mikerphone I agree. Any animal exploitation is wrong and should be given the same energy.

@@pri.sci.lla. Do you consider owning a pet exploitative? Since by doing so you'd be subjecting it to a non natural lifestyle for your own pleasure. Thus any pet regardless of its intended purpose(i.e. seeing dog, goldfish, hunting falcon, horse) serves as a tool for human use, meaning you'd be exploiting them for your own purposes. As compared to the disassociated intentions of nature, regardless of it's outcomes.

Mikerphone having a pet isn’t exploitation. I’m not forcing my pet to breed so I can sell their children or other animal products. I’m not exploiting her so no. Companionship isn’t exploitation. Plus she’s a rescue. I believe that it’s our job to care for the animals that are already on this planet. We should try to prevent suffering wherever possible. I’m a pre veterinary animal science student and I work on a farm with large animals.

@@pri.sci.lla. Well then, you're experiencing cognitive dissonance. There is a hole in you're logic. Statistically you're likely to ignore everything i say at this point because I'm going against your world view. But non the less ill explain what's wrong in your logic in happen chance that you are an open minded person. Forcing a pet to breed is not the only form of exploitation, we just went over this before. Things like having an animal carry weight, act as a work force, complete a task, or controlling them via riding or how they live is exploitative. When you have a pet you're forcing them to live with you, to abide by your rules, to have a human integrated experience. All things that wild animals aren't known to want to do. They require training to get to this point. Which is basically the equivalent of brainwashing. Using their natural resources like food, clean water, shelter, ect. you create a demand that they must answer with what you deem is positive behavior. Therfore you're acting against your animals natural instincts. Against nature, *regardless of the outcomes.* that's a key point. Nature is not alway about positive outcomes. Remeber that just because an animal is rescued, doesn't mean it should've been. Not speaking in terms of human caused scenarios here, but that an animal in the wild would've been met with the disassociated consequences of nature. The natural law. Some organisms must die so that others can live and evolve to survive better. This is nature; if you care about some organisms you should care about all of them. Otherwise you don't really care about animals; you just have a bias for the cute and or fluffy ones. Animal companionship is inherently exploitative as i just explained. But furthermore it also leads to damage to pet animals over all. Just because you take good care of your pet doesn't mean others will. Some animals will be abused, others over bred to feed demand, many slaughtered to fight infestation and over population. Giving anyone the ability to own animals will have a guaranteed result in more and more people wishing to do so. Even with a legal requirement, a black market will always exist for people who want to do what others have the ability to do. The only way to curb this is to use social pressure against owning pets. Seeing as we dont require legal consent. If we give you the right to own pets without obtaining any, then we must equally afford that right to everyone. As we do. Notice the word consent, that is not only applicable in your life, its applicable in the animal's. If you believe there is no consent unless explicit, then the obvious question would be how do you get consent from an animal who is bred and trained to be subordinate to humans? We cant. If you were to ask a slave born in America in the early 1800's why they do what they do, they would've told you is because they were born a slave. In a similaf sense your animal is born a slave to humanity. It doesn't know freedom, and so it can't consent to not having it. This all assumes you can read your pets mind in order to recieve explicit consent btw. Which i think we can agree on is impossible. Anyways, this has been a short lecture on the broken logic that befalls many people who claim to care about animal exploitation and animal rights. Take care and be safe. Treat your animals well and with respect... Which I'm sure was something all the propper well to do white Christian plantation family's said about what they did with their slaves. Have a good one!

Priscilla How about a pet elephant, a companion. I mean the one like that of the mahout in the video.

Alexandra Ogden I think it’s pretty balanced. They’ve interviewed everyone from a researcher to a mahout. Maybe elephants are domesticated in Thailand as dogs are, and they are conditioned like how we train dogs

Biased as in it doesn't claim they abuse elephants? Sounds like you only want to hear what you want to hear, not the truth, which is that Thai people love their elephants and would not abuse their livelihood and family members. The elephants are their family members.

Alexandra Ogden Those Asian groups are similar in spirit and ideology as their Western counterparts. The only thing Asian about them are merely their faces, but not their spirit or practice.

The professor doesn't work for a sanctuary. Now as for that cold-hearted Karen mahout only thinking about his fat profits! Listen, I've met many a traditional Karen mahout and unscrupulous businessmen they are not. They are amazing elephant carers who should get 50x what they earn and should be revered for the love and care they have for their elephants. Take care of the good mahouts = take care of the health and well-being of elephants.

Comparing animals and slavery is pretty vegan bullshit. Some real exslave should appear and explain to you the diference, you dump.

they even interviewed a scientist and doctor which is their job to ensure the elephants health is in good condition so why would they lie about that ? don't be stupid

@@nocturnalwolf7559 Education does not always lead to knowledge, ignorance does not always mean you are necessarily lying. Take the research the vet quotes for example, it is based of tests done at one observation venue. how does one observation venue reflect the stress levels of all venues?

@@slowvisuals8957 It is a study so unless more studies are done that take account of more observational venues it is the science for now. As we have seen throughout the pandemic, following the science is forever changing. However, as an indication it is valid and certainly would run counter to what most people (especially in the West) would imagine. It therefore reveals the complexity of the issue if nothing else. And that alone is valid.

I'm curious about your opinion on horses

snooopert the same. Exploitation is bad.

@@pri.sci.lla. The science shows that domesticated elephants are physically and mentally dependant on humans. Where do you go from there?

snooopert I know what the science shows. I am a pre veterinary animal science student about to graduate. I personally support rescues and sanctuaries. I think that’s the only ethical way to sustain animals who have a “purpose”, whatever that may be, until the end of their natural lives. Since we brought them here, it’s our job to care for them. However the issues arise when you have animals for the purpose of making money, or exploitation. I think conservation is important but it shouldn’t be at the price of that animals sanity and or happiness. Most animals will go extinct at one point or another, most animals on this planet at one point or another have gone extinct however humans are greatly contributing to their increased extinction which is awful.

Priscilla Humans going extinct is the only solution I see. They are probably gonna be, as to how we are currently responding to climate change. When nature provided us with everything we need, we instead turned to greed. We took much more than we ever needed, we became colonialists, imperialists, industrialists, capitalists, etc. I think it’s a long way from going back, and probably our doom is pretty much nearing

Yes, people should learn about culture. That doesn't mean they have to agree with you.

Animal cruelty should never be a part of anyone's culture. And if it is, it should be called out as being wrong and not condoned under any circumstances. If a "sanctuary" is allowing stupid selfies with the elephant then it is not a sanctuary, it's exploitation.