Brutally Honest Review on NU1XA Review - Is This Hybrid Piano Viable Alternative to Acoustic Pianos?

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Akira Ikegami

Akira Ikegami

2 ай бұрын

This is an review on Yamaha's new AvantGrand NU1XA hybrid piano by a pianist/piano teacher. In this video, I'm going to talk about good and bad of this instrument while demonstrating its ability with actual musical example, then sharing my opinion whether this can be a good primary instrument for learners.
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@dr.punjab6046
@dr.punjab6046 2 ай бұрын
Very Helpful video Akira!! Thank you for making!
@MertOzdag
@MertOzdag 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for doing these informative and fun videos
@jojo212
@jojo212 Ай бұрын
A wonderful review. I never heard of this keyboard. Thx!! Very insightful!
@scottfisher3486
@scottfisher3486 2 ай бұрын
I recently upgraded from a CLP-645 to the NU1XA. I have no regrets. The NU1XA has really nice bass.
@rharrisondev
@rharrisondev 2 ай бұрын
I've been searching for months and yours is the first review of the NU1XA that I've found that *isn't* from a piano dealership! A fantastic review, and very realistic in terms of both the benefits and the compromises. I was originally certain that I wanted an NU1XA but after trying it in store I wasn't so sure anymore. It feels fantastic to play, but it sounds too pristine (like you mention in the video!) and something about it still feels too digital. For me, I've shifted back towards searching for a true accoustic piano, possibly with a silent system installed, but you really nailed the overview, and I know a few people who would love this piano. Thanks for the great objective review!
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
I guess not being sponsored by the manufacturer is a good and bad thing :)
@rharrisondev
@rharrisondev 2 ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel Haha, well it's good for us, at least! The world needs more reviews like this. Maybe some mysterious third party will pay you for your altruism
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I got an offer for a mini chainsaw review the other day, but they never responded after that. I was looking forward to destroy this bench with a chainsaw...
@carlosazambujayt
@carlosazambujayt 2 ай бұрын
Wow, what an amazing and helpful video! (And funny, also)
@karlkarnadi3165
@karlkarnadi3165 2 ай бұрын
Holy shit, I started watching with very low expectations (not even thinking about buying a hybrid piano), but I ended up watching the video entirely, learned about imperfect octave in acoustic piano, differences of pedaling in real piano vs not, sound of natural piano keys, etc. Nice work! I’m a new subscriber!
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! I try to share information people are often unaware of. Check out my other videos, you may find more things yo udind't know about piano and music in general.
@vling4312
@vling4312 24 күн бұрын
Wow, a real, unbiased review! Great job!
@R.Williams
@R.Williams 2 ай бұрын
I have a Yamaha CLP 645 which I love. However I had to buy a new adjustable bench. I got a nice Roland that matched the finish of the piano and I like it a lot. I agree that a non-adjustable bench was a cheap move for pianos that cost thousands! My piano needs serviced, probably cleaned. Sometimes I'll be playing along and a note will suddenly sound way too loud. I swear it's not me! I got rid of my acoustic piano because the constant tuning bills were too much. I'm an amateur so I only need "pretty decent" which my Yamaha fulfills perfectly. Your new piano is very beautiful, plus you gave it a great review. Thank you!
@gautrstafr
@gautrstafr 2 ай бұрын
I do agree a perfectly tuned sounds weird, I do hear a difference!
@whiteshiftracing
@whiteshiftracing 2 ай бұрын
This is my first video of Akira’s. I’m 2:53 in and he’s my favourite piano KZfaqr.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Welcome to the channel. Check out the other videos, too!
@WutipongWongsakuldej
@WutipongWongsakuldej Ай бұрын
I think they could add a 'detune' feature. Thing's like ... a timer that gradully detune all the key in different rate over time, and a button to tune up all to standard 440. Combining those two, it'd be more close to a real piano futher. Oh and to make it even more close to a real piano, the owner should not be able to turn it off, and the button would require certified piano technocian authorization. On a serious note, I think some of the VST have this kind of detune built-in to it, especially the sampler-based one (because it's recorded from a real piano). Maybe there're softwares that samples each string on each key separately, and make them go out of tune in a different rate (but very close to each other). Again the sound espect is just a part of the instrument, I think :).
@EdmundHeng80
@EdmundHeng80 2 ай бұрын
Love your review. I have the NU1XA too and love it. Btw you look abit like Bruce Lee! =D
@peterhibbert14
@peterhibbert14 Ай бұрын
Very helpful review - thank you. I would be very interested to know what you think of the Yamaha N3X Avantgrand.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Superb. I only tried briefly at the dealership, so don't take my word for it. But if I had the budget and space for it, I would have definitely considered it.
@catherinepruettpianist4971
@catherinepruettpianist4971 5 күн бұрын
I love your sense of humor!
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 5 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@rarsenio1
@rarsenio1 2 ай бұрын
I just subscribed. I am 59 years old; I just retired and decided to learn how to play the piano.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! Check out my tutorials and other videos. They may be helpful along the way.
@Oliver-uh5ze
@Oliver-uh5ze 2 ай бұрын
@@tomschaffner9704 No it's not, tom. He never said he wants to be a concert pianist. One can learn to play a musical instrument for personal enjoyment at any age. Don't discourage people like that!
@PianoNotion
@PianoNotion Ай бұрын
Great video, my friend! Your new studios look great ! Talk to you soon. 🎉
@tylercollins9323
@tylercollins9323 Ай бұрын
​@@Oliver-uh5ze I agree. Age doesn't matter, I mean there is age restrictions for stuff, sure, BUT, playing a piano is for anyone and everyone no matter who you are. Like I'm 18 and I'm thinking about playing as an exmple
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@thashalorin4949
@thashalorin4949 Ай бұрын
It’s amazing…I bought it today and it Feels superb! 👌🏻
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Congratulations. Enjoy!
@kuroneko9270
@kuroneko9270 2 ай бұрын
I remember seeing instruments from this series around music stores before, but dismissing them as rather gimmicky keyboards. Glad to know that these are more than a regular digital keyboard instrument. I ultimately arrived to the same conclusion as you. I think that while the MSRP of the NU1XA makes it a tough sell against similarly priced upright pianos (or better if there's a good second hand market), specific use cases might mean that this instrument is a decent buy. Being able to practice with headphones on during odd hours might be worth that price for someone on a tight schedule who can justify the price to themselves.
@embrown23
@embrown23 2 ай бұрын
The moments where you just stop and put reverb on your voice is so funny and weird. Good job.
@embrown23
@embrown23 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing both wisdom and humor.
@vonscorpio
@vonscorpio 2 ай бұрын
I have a U1-TA2 which shares the synthesizer with the silent piano and I believe the NU1XA as well. The TA2 does support custom tuning of the digital sounds so you could basically de-tune the digital sounds.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
That is interesting... Maybe I should look into the manual. This may be able to do that through the fancy touch panel on the left.
@TheBmontalto
@TheBmontalto 2 ай бұрын
I bought a Kawaii CA79 which came with a proper adjustable piano bench and a professional headset/headphones. The piano itself seems identical to your Yamaha. Cost me €3500 (~$3800). I couldn't be happier. I get the advantages of an acoustic piano and a digital one together. Best of all, no one hears all the mistakes I make when playing!
@thearm95
@thearm95 2 ай бұрын
I have a very similar CA97 and have recently tried an NUX1A. I still think the CA97 both feels more real and sounds better.
@StefVR
@StefVR 2 ай бұрын
Good and helpful review for people. Had one myself and then bought an acoustic. Especially the pedaling on any electric piano is pretty far off. The thing is: you can play great on any digital piano if you practice on an acoustic but not the other way round. For beginners I recommend an acoustic (doesn’t have to be a grand) and then a lNord Grand to practice in the evenings if you have neighbors.
@MrLeBatave
@MrLeBatave 2 ай бұрын
Anyone wondering, the soundless playing at 3:26 was Fantaisie Impromptu op/66 by Chopin 😅
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Yes, indeed!
@acme661
@acme661 Ай бұрын
I have the N1X with the grand action and i am very happy with it. The sound reproduction while using headphones is unreal compared to using the onboard speakers.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Speakers are chosen specifically for the purpose, but there is countless choice for headphones. I think open-back headphones with natural sound (no heavy bass or sound augmentation) will make it sound the way it's intended to sound.
@reallynotpc
@reallynotpc Ай бұрын
Yes, I also have one of those and I agree about the headphones. Mine lives in my shed in the garden - we don't have space in the main house. Yes, a lot like a beach house. The environment would be terrible for an acoustic grand. Would I prefer a full acoustic piano if I could accommodate it? Yes, definitely. I managed to get a deal without the standard bench and bought separately an adjustable bench. You demonstrate the features beautifully!
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
My old office before moving was an insulated shed in the backyard. I originally wanted this piano there, but just as my personal toy wasn't strong enough case for purchasing it, especially when I already have 2 perfectly fine pianos :)
@vicmartinez4532
@vicmartinez4532 2 ай бұрын
hola akira...id like to know your opinon about the pha 50 action (roland fp90x & lx series, RD 2000)
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
I don't have access to that, unfortunately.
@DrSmithSJA
@DrSmithSJA Ай бұрын
this is so endearingly wholesome. internet, we have to protect this man at all costs.
@homeone4054
@homeone4054 Ай бұрын
My Kawai MP10 (now quite old) has all sorts of selectable tunings and adjustable stretch settings. Presumably using midi with a vst with those settings you can get the same effect
@gautrstafr
@gautrstafr 2 ай бұрын
Have you ever tried the Kawai keybeds? I think something like the Nord Grand should be easy to try out.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
I haven't had a chance to try out Kawaii ones, but I heard they have similar products. I'll be happy to try it tout if @kawaii sends me one :)
@hwaldman6479
@hwaldman6479 2 ай бұрын
I spent quite a bit of time checking out both the Yamaha AvantGrand and Kawai hybrid pianos. In my personal opinion the NU1X wasn’t quite up to the more expensive models. I like the Yamaha’s, but with the exception of the N3X, I didn’t feel the touch or sound was as realistic as the Kauai Novus series. I found the Kawai touch a bit more to my liking, but both companies produce good hybrid actions. To my ears the Kawai NV5S sounds better than the more expensive NS10S, possibly due to the NV5S having a real wood sound board. I’m sure the acoustic piano purist will cringe, but at the level of these upper tier hybrids I would think they could easily be substituted for an acoustic piano for many even more advanced pianists, especially if piano maintenance, need for additional sounds, or playing with earphones is an issue. I think this was born out by blind testing where experienced pianist and piano technicians mistook hybrids for acoustic pianos.
@hcho8164
@hcho8164 Ай бұрын
I appreciated the valuable insight into how close this hybrid can get. Maybe in following they can add a super knob to adjust the action weight or resistance as well as simulated string resonance feedback. Something tells me yamaha had reasons to leave a little bit off of the table.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Weight of the action is weight of parts, so I don't think you can adjust that. I don't think adding a kind of "break" to 88 keys and keeping them even is feasible. There is always something you can do to make digital piano closer to real pianos, but I don't thing they will be exactly like a real piano for a very long time (they've been trying for decades already).
@hcho8164
@hcho8164 Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel You are probably right. I was thinking between an upright and grand piano there are different amount of leveraged used to affect the key response. A moving pivot might changed the leverage.
@DonswatchingtheTube
@DonswatchingtheTube 2 ай бұрын
Does it only have one sound? Does it have a more worn-out preset? Parts wear out, so what are the maintenance and repair services like?
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
It has more voice than just piano sound. I haven't really explored any extra features yet, but I'm sure the lovely touch panel on the left let you control tons of things for fun. That is a good point. Like any machinery, eventually hammer action will wear out. But from my experience with acoustic pianos, most maintenance work is to adjust the action so that hammers hit the strings properly, and not so much of keys and hammers physically not moving properly. Since the actual sound is not coming from the hammers and strings, I would expect this instrument to be maintenance free for years or even decades to come if you take good care of it. But if it does break unexpectedly, I'm sure you'll hear from me on this channel :)
@thearm95
@thearm95 2 ай бұрын
Looking for a replacement/upgrade from my Kawai CA97 I tried an NU1XA (and the N1XBT - based on grand action) and ended up going for the Yamaha U1SH3PEQ Silent Upright Piano - to me there was still no comparison - these hybrids still feeling too much like digitals. Is it just me... both the NU1XA and N1XBT felt even less close to a real piano than my CA97, to me still the most realistic digital/hybrid I've ever played.
@TheSunlight74
@TheSunlight74 Ай бұрын
Greav video! Can you recall the previous model, the NU1X? I am not yet able to afford the 1XA but have seen the 1X for around £2,500 (about £2,000 less than the 1XA). Do you think this is a good deal? I am fairly advanced (Fantasy Impromptu level) and action is the most important thing to me. I know there is a 'loud note' issue but I never came across it playing the NU1X in stores. So I guess my question is - is the action about the same on the two instruments?
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I only payed the older version NU1X briefly at the store, but that was impressive enough to make me buy NU1XA without ever playing it. So as far as the touch goes, I think NU1X still feels like a real upright piano. Of course technologies are always evolving and just like any other electric devices, it's ultimately up to you to decide if the saving from purchasing used older model is worth giving up some of the new improvements. If you are satisfied when you played NU1X at the store, it may not be a bad choice to get it used. There are differences between the older and newer models, but you may not even notice many of them unless you compare them side by side.
@TheSunlight74
@TheSunlight74 Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel Thanks for this reply!
@borkdude
@borkdude 2 ай бұрын
I'm currently playing a Yamaha Clavinova CLP-220 but when I have piano lessons on a real piano, I always have to adjust. I can't buy a real piano since it would probably be too loud in my apartment. If it is possible to adjust the volume of this piano, it may be the perfect solution to have the same expressiveness of a real piano with the benefits of an electronic piano!
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
It's very similar to one of the situation I described in the video. The feel of the keys is much closer than any other keyboard I every played. If your budget allows, there is a grand piano version (with grand action) called N1X.
@Barrelhousekjell
@Barrelhousekjell Ай бұрын
I have tried «them all». It certainly can’t replace an acoustic, but some are pretty good. I have to say Kawai’s best digital models outperforms Yamaha’s best models because of the key action.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I have yet to try Kawai version. I hope I get a chance in the near future.
@jisyang8781
@jisyang8781 Ай бұрын
I enjoy tuning my acoustic piano. It's a feature to me.
@busterdoggy5389
@busterdoggy5389 Ай бұрын
Yamaha NU1XA or Kawai NV5S? I have to decide between them
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Tough call. I haven't experienced Kawai counterpart yet, but I would love to one day.
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 2 ай бұрын
I definitely agree with your conclusion -- a standard acoustic Yamaha U1 is far preferable to any digital instrument and can be had for even less than the cist of the NU1XA. I' actually a bit surprised that you even considered the digital instrument -- the only advantage I can see is the tuning, which you pointed out. I'm even wondering at that -- is the tuning authentically stretched as it would be for an acoustic instrument, and if so, to what model? To what extent would that be noticeable to a violinist. You make a valid point about having it as a second instrument for some situations -- especially like a beach house, etc. Those who need to practice quietly could also consider the Yamaha SH2 Silent piano series which are an actual acoustic instrument with action and strings, but which can be switched to a digital silent mode.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
This wouldn't have worked as a primary instrument for me, but again, this is in my wife's violin studio that doesn't require authentic piano experience. It's an upgrade from a portable keyboard she used to have in her studio. The sound is recorded from Yamaha CFX grand. I'm not sure what you mean by tuning being stretched, but as far as I can tell, it sounds good (too good to be true, in fact). Silent pianos are excellent choice. I've owned one before. They are more for people who wants real piano, but also needs an option to go silent. It all depends on what your priorities are.
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 2 ай бұрын
​@@AkiraIkegamiChannel That makes sense - the hybrid is definitely a step up from the P-series keyboards and should be adequate for accompanying lessons. Since the sample set is from a CFX it likely includes the stretch tuning of the instrument it was sampled from. Stretch tuning (you can Google it -- it's rather involved) is where the notes throughout the instrument are altered just slightly beyond their perfect mathematical even temperament values (12th root of 2) to better accommodate getting the upper partials in tune -- it's what makes a piano sound at its best in-tune with itself. But you are correct -- the digital instruments always sound " ... too good to be true" -- they are missing that gentle warm celeste that comes from ever-so-slightly out-of-tune strings. Perhaps some day the digital instrument makers will provide a parameter in the settings to add (or remove) some degree of "out-of-tune strings celeste".
@user-fr4sv1hl7y
@user-fr4sv1hl7y Ай бұрын
I study at a music school. There are two acoustic pianos in my office. So their sound is more different than that of an acoustic and digital piano. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldeRnJWYseCWdZc.html
@katrinabryce
@katrinabryce Ай бұрын
Does it do sympathetic vibration? Hold down a note until it decays to silence, keep holding it, play the note an octave higher and let go. On a real piano, the string one octave below that you are still holding should vibrate at the 1st harmonic so you are still hearing the second higher note you played. Most electronic pianos I've tested fail this test. This is one of the reasons that playing a note with the pedal down sounds different to playing it with the pedal up, because it isn't just that string that responds to you playing the note.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I didn't think about that experiment. And I'm happy to report IT DOES!!!!
@55Weixiang
@55Weixiang 2 ай бұрын
18:55 The infamous "Loud note" issue from Nu1x. It's surprising that Yamaha hasn't fixed it in the latest model.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
From what I heard, it was pretty consistent before. But it only happened to me a few times and I couldn't reproduce it for the video, so at least I think it has been improved.
@reallynotpc
@reallynotpc Ай бұрын
I love "Yamaha didn't sponsor this video. But they could have!"
@rolexmarcelo3218
@rolexmarcelo3218 2 ай бұрын
A person filled with humor and it shows. A fart is NOT a mistake! Haahahha
@DihelsonMendonca
@DihelsonMendonca 2 ай бұрын
It still sounds very electronic to my ears, mostly because you're not recording with the piano connected directly to the sound mixer, so, it may sound excellent when you play, but from here, from this side, it's like we are listening to a loudspeaker playing a recording. But the touch, mechanism should have be outstanding. I would love to purchase one of these. I'm a pianist also, but I don't like heavy mechanisms. My touch is very light, and I don't like to employ much effort in fast passages. I like pianos that helps the pianist. Currently, I own an upright acoustic, which is very good, and a Roland RD2000 with several VSTi pianos. 🎉❤
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Wire-connecting it to the mixer will get a very pure sound, but I wanted to show how the speaker sounds, because that's how majority of people use. But if I was to record samples for dictation or something, that'll make the recording process much easier and noise-free! I have the luxury of having 3 different pianos to practice on now. Each piano has different characteristics, but as a pianist, it's important to be able to adapt to different pianos on the spot. I find it easier to control lighter piano once you get used to heavier touch piano. I like your set up of an acoustic piano and a keyboard. I used to practice on keyboard with different voice or even turning the power off before performances to test my memory/stability.
@enginerdy
@enginerdy 2 ай бұрын
This generation of piano’s speakers are pretty convincing in the room, with the advantage that you can turn it down a bit and not blow everyone out of a small room like a piano might
@user-fr4sv1hl7y
@user-fr4sv1hl7y Ай бұрын
I watched the video. Unfortunately I don't speak English. I enabled Russian subtitles in the settings. Of course I would like to compare the NU1XA with my Yamaha CLP-785 instrument. I studied the technical characteristics of both instruments. In general they are similar. Except that the CLP-785 has a significantly more powerful speaker system. Indeed, my CLP-785 produces such powerful bass that I turned the bass to minimum in the equalizer settings. I am also sure that the semles of both instruments are the same. With closed listening, no one will be able to determine what the CLP-785 or NU1XA is playing. Interesting question, does the NU1XA cam mechanism have the same problems as an acoustic piano keyboard? It also requires maintenance and repair. Although those who are interested can read it - the CLP-785 keyboard is also not easy. Engineers worked a lot on it to bring the tactile sensations closer to those of a piano keyboard (the length of the key lever, different weights of the keys....) Again, close the pianist’s eyes to see if he can feel which keyboard he is playing on - NU1XA or CLP-785. In general, I consider these tools to be equivalent. Although NU1XA is much more expensive. I am an amateur and rarely have the opportunity to play an acoustic piano. If in life you have the opportunity to seriously play the acoustic piano, it doesn’t matter. A few weeks of practice and your hands adapt to the acoustic instrument. This will also be necessary after playing on NU1XA. After all, even after moving from one acoustic piano to another acoustic piano, it takes time to adapt in order to learn the character of the instrument. It's like changing from a familiar car to another - it also takes time to adapt. Even two acoustic instruments sound different. I take lessons at a music school. And in my office there are two acoustic pianos, their sound is more different than in this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldeRnJWYseCWdZc.html I apologize for the inaccuracies in the text, I am writing through a translator Посмотрел видео. К сожалению я не владею английским языком. В настройках включил русские субтитры. Конечно хотелось бы сравнить NU1XA с моим инструментом Yamaha CLP-785. Изучил технические характеристики обоих инструментов. В общем они аналогичны. За исключением того, что у CLP-785 существенно мощнее акустическая система. И действительно, моя CLP-785 издает такой мощный бас, что в настройках эквалайзера бас я убрал на минимум. Так же я верен, что семлы обоих инструментов одинаковы. При закрытом прослушивании, никто не сможет определить, что играет CLP-785 или NU1XA. Интересный вопрос, а кулачковая механика NU1XA имеет те же болезни, что и клавиатура акустического пианино? Так же требует обслуживания и ремонта. Хотя, кому интересно, могут почитать - клавиатура CLP-785 тоже непростая. Над ней очень много поработали инженеры, что бы приблизить тактильные ощущения к клавиатуры рояля ( длина рычага клавиши, разный вес клавиш .... ) Опять таки - закрыть пианисту глаза, почувствует ли он, на какой клавиатуре играет - NU1XA или CLP-785 . В общем я считаю эти инструменты равнозначными. Хотя NU1XA значительно дороже. Я любитель , мне редко когда выпадет случай играть на акустическом фортепиано. Если в жизни представиться возможность серьезно поиграть на акустическом фортепиано, не беда. Несколько недель занятий и руки адаптируются к акустическому инструменту. Это так же будет необходимо и после игры на NU1XA. Ведь даже пересев от одного акустического пианино, за другое акустическое пианино, нужно время для адаптации, чтобы изучить характер инструмента. Это как пересесть с привычного автомобиля, на другой - тоже нужно время для адаптации. Даже два акустических инструмента звучат по разному. Я беру уроки в музыкальной школе. А моём кабинете два акустических пианино, их звучание отличатся больше, чем в этом видео kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldeRnJWYseCWdZc.html
@radima263
@radima263 2 ай бұрын
Thats why I always think what if digital piano manufacturers came with tuning setting feature? We could actually mimics the natural tuning imperfection of a real acoustic piano!
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
It requires simulating over 200 strings going slightly out of tune over time in different ways, but I don't see why that would be impossible with modern technology. I guess not enough demand for that from consumers?
@aBachwardsfellow
@aBachwardsfellow 2 ай бұрын
​@@AkiraIkegamiChannel perhaps if they sampled each note of the CFX rather than generating sounds from sampled notes they would capture the authenticity of the actual piano. I'm not sure what their sampling and final production process is, but it does not portray or present the actual sound of an acoustic piano. Even if the piano was perfectly tuned, there are interactions between the strings -- sympathetic vibrations -- affecting each other that is missing from the digital production of the sounds.
@pc2nite
@pc2nite Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannelThe ability to use strings slightly out tune is available on some external computer piano libraries. Some also have higher note polyphony than the one you quoted. For example, one called Pianoteq allows adjustment of especially many parts of a piano’s mechanism. It’s forum has posts from users combining it with keyboard modules like yours.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure they sampled from multiple keys, but not sure how many.
@pc2nite
@pc2nite Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel Pianoteq physically models a piano instead of sampling one. The free demo may surprise you.
@floring67
@floring67 Ай бұрын
Considering to buy a N1X, that's CFX grand real action. For now I have an old Clavinova CLP-230 and the action is worn out, makes me feel uncomfortable cause the touch response is not even (octave 5 only plays mf and f, for example). I know that digital piano sound is too perfect for feeling real; there are alternatives; for example Pianoteq uses full synthesis based on mathematical model of the real instrument, so you can simulate a real Steinway (or most of great brands) and adjust the tuning unison width, soundboard age and all you want about; it sounds more realistic but it's resource hungry and it seems it's tricky to get rid of the sound latency in order to play in real time.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I would have gotten N1X if we had enough space, but it still is a violin studio and N1X's footprint was a bit too big for the purpose of the room. We can try to create real experience digitally, but so far, only real instrument can create real experience. With real piano feel, I can play these instruments like a piano. Although they are not real pianos, that's not necessarily a bad thing. But if you want a real piano experience, you buy a real piano :)
@floring67
@floring67 Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel I am "convicted" to play a digital, I can only find time for practice the night, and I have neighbors, so using headphones 🤭 As far as I know, the only thing as close to a real piano sound as Pianoteq is Vienna Synchron Player piano library, much heavier in resources and more expensive, but both are resource hogs and hard to use for real time playing.
@crisoliveira2644
@crisoliveira2644 24 күн бұрын
9:49 Maybe you can mess with the tuning in the configurations? I know Pianoteq has an option to "wear out" the sound, from brand new to a piano thrown in the dumpster. You can even pick different random seeds so the piano wears out differently each time. Maybe the NU1XA has that too, even if not as complex. At least different temperaments and stretching out, I'm sure it does that.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 24 күн бұрын
I haven't used the fancy touch screen yet. I'll experiment with it.
@Scherbakov
@Scherbakov Ай бұрын
Sometimes it seems to me that the music starts from the correct height of the pianist's bench))) (Apparently Gould knew a little more about this than the others)
@RapEye
@RapEye 12 күн бұрын
I had a U3 later replaced with a NU1 (before X) for noise problems in the building. There is no way any hybrid replaces a true acoustic piano. It’s a nice remedy but never as close. Plus the NU1 first release had tech issues with a couple of keys playing randomly louder than others. Sold it. Still undecided on the next choice.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 12 күн бұрын
If you must go electric, I definitely recommend these hybrid piano series. I wish I could get the grand version, but unfortunately it didn't fit the violin studio and our use case didn't justify the cost.
@RapEye
@RapEye 12 күн бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel If I go digital, then it’s the new Roland LX9. Beautiful piano sounds. Don’t like the Yamaha CFX sample
@southpark4151
@southpark4151 2 ай бұрын
5:14 - nice vid! But when playing consecutive notes, I don't think we can actually use 'arm weight'. Eg. for scale runs, arpeggios etc. Arm weight only works when you're like pushing down multiple notes at the beginning of a piece -- eg. to start a note softly, or start a chord softly. And also - once again - digital pianos are REAL pianos. Just as acoustic pianos are real pianos. Both are pianos. Acoustic pianos are 'acoustic pianos'. Essence of piano is 'piano forte' - soft loud control of independent notes on harpsi keyboard layout. Piano forte - shortened to piano.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Arm weight can be applied in any situation. Check out my video about arm weight. That may help you gain a new way of controlling the instrument. At the end of the day, you can call whatever you want a piano, but my definition of piano is an acoustic piano with real strings and hammers. I'm not saying keyboards are bad though. I like keyboards and they excel in different ways from pianos. I own one myself.
@southpark4151
@southpark4151 2 ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel Thanks akira! Just keep in mind that the reason why the word 'piano' seen in the words 'digital piano' and 'acoustic piano' are because - they're both pianos. Real pianos. Back in the old days, they didn't have any other means to achieve 'piano forte' (independent soft loud control of notes) - shortened to 'piano'. So that's why they had only the mechanical way - due to not having the technology do it it any other way. The word piano in acoustic piano and digital piano is the give-away -- in that they're both pianos. This is something that many people didn't realise before - even though it is actually obvious.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
This is a very interesting but endless discussion :) I'm just an old school person whose concept of piano is what I grew up and learned to play. Again, not saying keyboard is not an instrument. I'm also the kind of person who thinks you are not driving unless you are driving stick shift. Just out of curiosity, do you consider "vegetarian burger" a real burger because the word "burger" is in it?
@southpark4151
@southpark4151 2 ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel I know what you mean Akira. I grew up on acoustic piano too, and probably been playing piano for equally long as you, or even more than you. But realised that essence of piano is in piano forte. And - under the umbrella of 'burger' are various kinds of burgers, which are all burgers - such as hamburger, vege burger, chicken burger etc. All are burgers. Hamburger is a burger too. Just as digital pianos and acoustic pianos are under the piano umbrella - piano category. Real pianos. And - the highest performance cars these days are a combination of mechanical and digital elements, including paddles or something for gear change, instead of stick.
@davederrick9431
@davederrick9431 Ай бұрын
Hi, does that have headphone jacks. I looking for an alternative to my grand piano when we move to a retirement village.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
It sure does. You can see it at 7:48. But if you are switching from a grand piano and using it as a primary instrument, I highly recommend considering N3X or N1X. I believe they have grand action and feels much more like a grand piano.
@davederrick9431
@davederrick9431 Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel Many thanks
@tehroflzcrisp
@tehroflzcrisp Ай бұрын
Yamaha makes a lot of good products, some great some bad. When it comes to pianos, they are truly hit or miss for me. The NU1X is pretty nice! though for me personally, I prefer the Kawai Novus better. the NV5s has a spruce soundboard just like an acoustic piano, and it has Kawai's Millennium III Action.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I haven't had a chance to try Kawai yet. One day I would love to.
@ngmoling334
@ngmoling334 Ай бұрын
The NU1XA PIANO IS VERY GOOD
@lavigeriemathieu1294
@lavigeriemathieu1294 2 ай бұрын
While I think those high-end actions are worth the money, I do not find value in anything that tries to replicate the acoustic sound with fancy transducers. Digital pianos are now fantastic practice tools but they do not cut it as performance tools. I only play my Kawai with the headphones, and switch to the acoustic piano when I feel I have practiced enough to not be a nuisance. Nothing comes close to the real thing.
@georgivelev77
@georgivelev77 Ай бұрын
Different strokes for different folks. If you are a concert level pianist, you’ll never be happy with any digital piano. The NU1XA is for the advanced pianist, the ones who play Fantasie Impromptu or Hungarian Rhapsody 2 for fun. The model proves to be very popular and I am very sad I’ll never reach playing at advanced level (for example, I can play Maple Leaf Rag at a moderate tempo, the speed it is actually meant to be played). It is also good for composers/players who want to record their music. Hit a button and off you go. Try to record from an acoustic, you’d rather rent a studio for that, whereas with the NU1XA you can do it conveniently at your home. It is also great if you live in an apartment building and do not want to perform free concerts for your neighbours every time you start practicing. Years ago, I had the chance to play one of the predecessors, the NU1 or whatever it was called. It felt like I was playing a piano keyboard and the hammers hit some metal plates. Have no idea how the NU1XA feels in that regard because it is not available here in Bulgaria. (The local store does not cater high end because playing the piano, or any other acoustic instrument for that matter, is not popular here but this is a topic for another conversation) I’d like to thank you for sharing your point of view. I play digital pianos from Yamaha, too, but I have got accustomed to their shortcomings to the extent they don’t bother me. Rather play a digital than acoustic whose keyboard is not regulated, needs tuning, is loud and etc. Unless you are a concert-level pianist or purist, the digitals offer a 99% good alternative. Finally, remember, it’s just a computer that produces sound. I would not call it a proper musical instrument. In 10 years’ time there will be newer technology, whereas an acoustic Petroff will stay the same for decades, especially if you take care of it.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I agree with you. Keyboards are instrument of its own kind. They have their unique advantage and fits certain use cases like you mentioned. While they are not real pianos in my view, that doesn't mean they are inferior instruments. But pianists at any level can benefit from real touch. It creates connection to the instrument and help you learn sound control. From my experience, students practicing on real pianos tend to advance more, and it's definitely easier to teach because they have same or very similar experience at home.
@georgivelev77
@georgivelev77 Ай бұрын
I agree with you. When playing an acoustic piano, one feels the connection from the touch with the strings, the resonance, the sound. For the very same reason I like playing the Viola because the touch between your fingers and the strings is real and not trough an elaborate mechanism.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Oh yeah. Other instruments are a lot more direct when it comes to generating sound.
@kitsuneneko2567
@kitsuneneko2567 Ай бұрын
My roland rd-700nx is not a hybrid, and this piano would probably be better for feel. But for feel it's about 95 percent there, and the sound is as good as any piano, at least this one's equal. I think there is a niche market for this piano, but it's not for everyone, and other, less expensive, and more portable stage pianos are plenty good for most purposes.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
At the end, you have to choose an instrument that fits you with your budget. But the dilemma is that it's commonly thought that beginners or amateurs do not need high-end pianos. You could be limiting your enjoyment and development without knowing, but the only way to know it is to regularly play quality instruments. But at the same time, I understand why people need cheaper, smaller piano. Even mine are not full-size grands for space/budget reasons.
@kitsuneneko2567
@kitsuneneko2567 Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel I think this is an interesting debate to have, but ultimately I come down on the side of "don't let perfect be the enemy of good". There is a place for cheaper or less authentic pianos, and the technology is good enough now that it's very difficult to tell the difference unless you've already reached a place where that becomes important. I'm a high intermediate to low end advanced player, and while I see the benefit of having a high quality instrument, I can get nearly all of what I need out of my stage piano. I'm considering buying a real piano at some point in the future, but injust don't see the need to spend that kind of money at the moment, and besides I couldn't fit it in my office even if I wanted. The ability to pipe the sound directly into my audio setup is of high use to me and that's nearly impossible to do in the same way on an acoustic piano. I think we're generally in agreement but I don't want to get into the mindset of discouraging beginners by placing the instrument out of their reach, and there are things you can do with a digital piano that are impossible otherwise. It all comes down to the right tool for the job.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
I hear you. As a teacher, I want all of my students to reach the point they can tell the difference and it matters. But in my experience, students are far more likely to get there if they practice on that kind of instrument. It could be just a commitment thing, but I think it's more motivating if felt the connection with the instrument and if your instrument reacted precisely to your control every time. That is not to say you will never advance if you have a keyboard. It also depends on what you want to learn. this is a very important discussion and I want to make a video about it. I have yet to find an effective way to describe this without confusing people. But it has always been in my mind to make a video about my view on keyboard v. piano.
@kitsuneneko2567
@kitsuneneko2567 Ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel I think you kind of hit upon it when you said that it depends on what y9u want to accomplish and maybe a student should have to answer that question first. What isnyour goal? There are some goals which are accomplished absolutely fine on a stage piano and maybe even better, mine are kind of in that direction. There are other goals that really are better served on an acoustic piano. When you knownwhat your goals are you can invest your resources in that direction. Maybe talk about the different motivations people might have for learning and playing piano, and which instrument is better for those end goals?
@dr_ned_flanders
@dr_ned_flanders Ай бұрын
I prefer the Steinway.
@tomarmstrong1281
@tomarmstrong1281 2 ай бұрын
Perhaps it is my device but it sounds a little on the 'tinny' side, and lacking in the deep sonority of a quality acoustic. However you still have two grand pianos.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
It is speaker sound recorded with condenser microphones, so it's a little different from what you actually hear. But you are right, it is not same as an acoustic piano.
@Ambidextroid
@Ambidextroid 2 ай бұрын
There will never be an electric piano that replicates a real piano to a satisfying degree. The nuances available on a real piano go beyond what an algorithm can reproduce, unless we manage to create completely accurate physical models of pianos down to the air they vibrate in and the physical mechanism behind the pedals. I have no doubt that this piano feels like a real one, but they will never sound like a real one. For one thing, the strings in a piano are essentially a bespoke dynamic speaker designed to create exactly the tone required of a piano, and an electric speaker just doesn't have the capability to produce the same sound. It makes me wonder, if you are going to replicate every element of a piano except for the strings then what's the point? The only advantage I can see is being able to practice on a real feeling instrument without making a sound, but then if you are practicing the subtleties of touch you won't get an accurate response from the instrument compared to a real one, so not even that seems like a valid reason.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. That's why this is an addition to our studio. Technology still can't replace real acoustic pianos. But like I said in the video, it's good for certain use cases like when you live in a remote place and can't find a piano technician to maintain an acoustic piano, outdoor venues, etc. In our case, in the violin studio to accompany during lessons. But we still use piano studio with real pianos to prepare violin students for performances.
@JoshLemer
@JoshLemer 2 ай бұрын
Here's a question, why don't you learn to do piano tuning yourself? It seems that that would be a very profitable investment of time for you since you have so many pianos to tune! :-)
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Good question. It's not just "tuning" that a technician does during each visit. There is just so much to maintain these instruments in good condition, and you need tons of experience to be competent. Check out my videos about tuning and an interview with my piano technician. It's like not servicing your own car you drive, or repair your own house you live in. Some people do, but I just don't have time to train myself enough to be a competent piano technician while teaching, playing, making videos, etc.
@velcroman11
@velcroman11 2 ай бұрын
I ordered a Yamaha YUS5-TA3 to be delivered before Christmas 2023. It is now end May 2024 and I still don’t have the piano. Yamaha have failed 4 delivery dates so far. If you want a Yamaha piano don’t buy one unless it is in the store. I gave my spinet piano away in readiness for the Christmas delivery. I now don’t have a piano for 6 months! Thank you Yamaha for stabbing earth in the back. Don’t trust ANY promises Yamaha make. In my opinion thet are not trust worthy.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Sorry you had a bad experience. I'm not sure if it's Yamaha or the dealer, but I agree with you that it's better to purchase a piano that's actually in stock. My usual dealer didn't have it in stock, so I had to shop around.
@gabi.coroian
@gabi.coroian Ай бұрын
Never!!!!!!!
@andybarker8787
@andybarker8787 2 ай бұрын
Saying a digital piano is a keyboard and isn’t a real piano is just wrong. It is a piano it just has a different way of producing the sound. The keyboard is just the key set you depress. It’s like saying a flat screen tv isn’t a real TV because it lacks a cathode ray tube. An acoustic piano is a technological tool just as a digital piano is. Great video though.
@Ambidextroid
@Ambidextroid 2 ай бұрын
I disagree, I think if you are talking to someone about your instrument and you specify that it's a "real" piano, they will take that to mean an acoustic instrument. Unless you are talking about a model piano that doesn't actually make any sound, that's really the only reasonable use of the term "real piano" without being pedantic. There are electric pianos and acoustic pianos, both of them are certainly pianos and they're both certainly "real" as opposed to imaginary, but of course of those two options the term "real piano" refers to the acoustic as opposed to the electric because that just makes the most sense. It's not an insult to electric instruments it's just a practical use of the English language to communicate what you mean. I don't think your flat screen TV analogy works because people don't actually talk about "real" TVs. If you told someone your TV is "real" they would probably give you a funny face, because nobody considers a flat screen as an imitation of a CRT - unless someone produced an LCD TV with a fake glass bulge and a fake boxy housing that was actually trying to look like a CRT, then you could say I have a "real CRT" and they might not give you such a funny face. But if you tell someone you have a "real piano" they will know exactly what you mean, because that's just how language is used in this specific case.
@ElikemTheTuner
@ElikemTheTuner 2 ай бұрын
You must realize that when LCD TVs were produced, they COMPLETELY phased out and overtook CRT TVs. Another example: sheet music used to be printed by hand. As soon as composition softwares were created, the former were COMPLETELY phased out. You cannot say the same for digital pianos vs acoustic pianos. And there is a good reason why. They are simply not in the same class.
@andybarker8787
@andybarker8787 2 ай бұрын
@@Ambidextroid how would you picture a ‘real guitar’? Electric, acoustic? Or like the TV has the question no value because they are both real in the sense the TV is. Saying ‘real piano’ is no less pointless than saying real TV and the only reason this term is viable is because of historic snobbery for acoustic instruments over digital (electric pianos are a totally different beast). Ultimately we can disagree all we like it doesn’t mean anyone is right. All this is subjective anyway.
@andybarker8787
@andybarker8787 2 ай бұрын
@@ElikemTheTuner I’m not comparing them to each other. Each does things better than the other. You’re right acoustic pianos still exist and always will but digital instruments probably outsell them by 20 to 1 and for good practical reasons. Acoustic pianos are incredibly impractical for most people these days however a smaller overall market does lead to higher quality instruments for those that can justify/afford/accommodate them.
@ElikemTheTuner
@ElikemTheTuner 2 ай бұрын
@@andybarker8787 Right 👍
@keithcitizen4855
@keithcitizen4855 2 ай бұрын
The purchase price is the stumbling block , that margin where its all or nothing from $2k
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
I hear you.
@kenpeters9807
@kenpeters9807 Ай бұрын
Will YAMAHA ever stop copying KAWAI?
@johnbrereton5229
@johnbrereton5229 Ай бұрын
'Its a real piano with a proper hammer action but without strings or soundboard ' ??????? How can it be a real piano without any strings or soundboard ? Its just a fancy keyboard, nothing else.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Did you watch the whole video?
@PeiwenTanbassoon821
@PeiwenTanbassoon821 2 ай бұрын
It's capitalism. Yamaha want you to pay extra to get a better piano bench. lol Btw the perfect tuning from NU1XA and keyboards is gonna bother me so much now. 😅
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Haha, You cannot unhear it anymore. You are welcome for ruining all the keyboards for you :)
@PeiwenTanbassoon821
@PeiwenTanbassoon821 2 ай бұрын
@@AkiraIkegamiChannel 😂😂😂
@Guidussify
@Guidussify 2 ай бұрын
"This is basically a real acoustic piano minus strings and soundboard.” Sorry, but then it's nothing like a real acoustic piano.
@pianowhizz
@pianowhizz Ай бұрын
He said ‘strings and soundboard’ - not ‘strings and keyboard’. Extremely big difference. The keys and action are almost identical to a Yamaha U1J (they improved the repetition speed on the NU1XA so it is easier to play than the U1J).
@Guidussify
@Guidussify Ай бұрын
@@pianowhizz Yes, now corrected. Thnx.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
Yes, it's not a real acoustic piano. I think it's as close as it can be, but of course it's not a real acoustic piano.
@BillBarber1957
@BillBarber1957 2 ай бұрын
Hogwash. Let us know when concert pianists start requesting these Yamaha toys over a 9ft. Steinway, Bosendorfer, etc. Yeah, they're great to move, great to practice on, but you'll never find one at a recital or concert, and I mean never ... that's how good they sound.
@garypotter1985
@garypotter1985 2 ай бұрын
How can you compare a £6,000 Yamaha to a £200,000 Steinway or Bosendorfer ?? That’s like comparing a Ford focus to a Ferraris 😂😂 course there’s gonna be huge differences 😅. And these sorts of pianos are mainly used in flats/terraced houses as to not disturb the neighbours etc.
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel 2 ай бұрын
Venues around Philadelphia actually uses grand piano version of this for outdoor concerts where it's hard to keep acoustic pianos in tune. But @garypotter1985 is right, this is not to replace those kinds of pianos in those venues. However, Yamaha 9ft grand is one of the choices for pianists for the famous Chopin Competition, and it does get picked.
@antoniomonteiro3698
@antoniomonteiro3698 Ай бұрын
no, sorry, I don't excuse you for poor technique.
@user-tc6hp5ch3h
@user-tc6hp5ch3h Ай бұрын
최고다 👍
@AkiraIkegamiChannel
@AkiraIkegamiChannel Ай бұрын
감사합니다. 한국말 코멘트는 처음입니다 :)
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