Talking about the Reading & Northern Railroad and how they could possible run services from Reading to Scranton, and everything in between. All of my socials to find me on: linktr.ee/alanthefisher
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@streamlinedtransit7 күн бұрын
A family friend of ours is the owner of the R&N, yep, I know him. Next time I see him I can ask about the logistics of such a thing.
@Ostermond7 күн бұрын
I wish you luck!
@streamlinedtransit7 күн бұрын
@@Ostermond thank you!
@alanfisherextras7 күн бұрын
get me in contact obviously, I'll set a deal up haha
@ryguygaming067 күн бұрын
Keep us posted on what he says somehow. Maybe the discord?
@OldsVistaCruiser7 күн бұрын
Yes, please ask Andy Muller.
@FrederickJenny7 күн бұрын
Rural Passenger Rail is something we NEED. Out here in Utah we need to connect our smaller towns to the megaregion in Salt Lake City. I personally believe that all starts with the Rio Grande Plan and then the Link Utah Plan after that. Who wouldnt want to take a train from SLC downtown's (the Rio Grande Depot) to Moab to look at the beautiful red cliffs or go down to Vegas connecting to our small towns of Cedar City, Beaver, and St. George. Way better than a freeway. Also we need more steamtrains! I am heading up to the Wisconsin Great Northern Railroad they just got a steam engine, DM&IR 348. I cannot wait to go around their yards and see some trains in rural Northern Wisconsin.
@robk72667 күн бұрын
There's stuff outside of the Wasatch Valley?
@DiamondKingStudios7 күн бұрын
St. George, UT has never had direct railroad service by my knowledge. Most of their population growth has only been in recent decades (though they’ve grown massively in that time). The rail line the _Desert Wind_ bypassed it about sixty miles to the north-northwest, and I doubt the prospect of driving seventy minutes to middle-of-nowhere Modena would be appealing to anyone in St. George. In fact, that whole I-15 corridor would require a whole new right of way to be built.
@00Zy994 күн бұрын
@@DiamondKingStudios Cedar City at least has a branchline that used to be used for seasonal extras to the National Parks.
@a_pet_rock7 күн бұрын
I lived in a town of 15k that would get swamped with traffic because their main street was turned into a highway. They desperately needed commuter rail.
@DiamondKingStudios7 күн бұрын
I’ve always really liked the idea of rural passenger rail. Many people who think that such services are unnecessary because folks would just drive might not realize that a significant portion of our population, including rural residents, do not have a car at hand or otherwise cannot drive, and the older rail infrastructure often includes stations at the heart of those smaller towns (many of which the railroads helped build), which along with speed could make rural trains more convenient to passengers than coach buses, which are left to the mercy of traffic and in many places stop at out-of-the-way stations. If one is concerned that such services provided would yield little financial return, so does the Interstate Highway System (and at a much greater degree), and we rely on it all the same. Even then rural passenger rail is the one of few applications where I would think battery-powered locomotives or one or two DMUs would work well, as an alternative to locomotive-hauled trains which might be too inefficient. Maybe wires could be put up and the train becomes an interurban, however. If the United States had a system of rural passenger trains connecting small towns and parklands, I’d certainly use it over my car, even if it was a little slower.
@leek69276 күн бұрын
Honestly I think the best way to start would be to start creating larger and more frequent through running regional rail systems that extend out from cities to the country side also with circumferential connections. Start making these systems for smaller cities and also in smaller states start state wide, poly centric, systems. All the New England states could easily be covered in passenger service as it was in the past. I live in upstate NY in a town of about 5k people, most of the stuff I need is out of town and I have to drive as there is 0 public transportation. In the past everyplace I go to was not far from a train station with regular service that I could’ve gotten to with 1 transfer or no transfer at all. The regions population was less back then and the specific village I live in only had about 400 people (it’s like 800 today) but the station saw 40 people getting on a day. That’s better than some Amtrak stations!
@DiamondKingStudios6 күн бұрын
@@leek6927 One idea for regional rail I’ve started thinking of is this: where two or more smaller branches converge into a trunk line, run one or two MU units on each of the branches, and for inbound trains they converge into one train into the urban core, and for outbound trains they split off. Each unit will have different lettering to distinguish each branch, and auditory announcements will alert passengers when the train approaches the point of divergence. Barring any issues with punctuality or coupling reliability, this could be a useful way of reducing transfers and allowing one-seat tickets from the core to anywhere in the peripheral suburbs or towns, with railcars ordered in the consist based on when the branch diverges. When it comes to crosstown trains, passengers may need to move to a different car based on the specific destination, but the process should be made easy and convenient for the passenger, with timely auditory announcements and destinations on the car’s exterior alongside the origin, as well as diagrams of the train’s interior if applicable (which with modern electronic technology should be). For branches with significant passenger traffic (such as to airports) that might require their own full-length trains, separate trains could be run for them.
@chasespadavecchia64077 күн бұрын
In addition to the points you made, from what I heard many people onboard this train were not there for the steam or views but for the destination. Many of these people rode in deluxe seating cars, of which some have already been added to the "commuter" Pittston-Jim Thorpe service by demand from passengers. Perhaps adding incentives like this to regular rail travel again could be beneficial in ridership growth...
@HamSaladtv7 күн бұрын
I'm writing my MA thesis on passenger services for rural rail, studying the french context. It really does work if the station is connected to the town here. The ridership numbers would be a dream for American planners. And its something that should be done everywhere.
@bahnspotterEU7 күн бұрын
I don‘t know about France as a representative of rural rail service. France has pretty bad service for Western and Central European standards. Germany, more specifically northeastern Germany would‘ve been a better choice I think. It‘s quite sparsely populated overall, quite car-dependent as a result and yet it still has regional trains every hour on many lines, operated by small, inexpensive railcars.
@leek69276 күн бұрын
Check out Switzerland, they have great rural passenger rail.
@trainworms4 күн бұрын
after going to France I think uk has arguably better service in certain rural areas.
@erikgustafson93194 күн бұрын
Same for me. We need to talk about this
@austinb.77447 күн бұрын
Lost in yesterday for sure. It’s a shame we can’t travel our beautiful country without a car
@liamhodgson7 күн бұрын
Every little town the size of parkesburg, Elizabethtown, etc deserves the service that those two just happen to get from being between Harrisburg and Philly
@maxbenchip45347 күн бұрын
Hell yeah back to intercity steam baby
@matthews8797 күн бұрын
Jim Thorpe is a fantastic place to visit, but parking is a nightmare. Here's how I would help fix it along with helping the rest of the region build. New rail service on Amtrak: Harrisburg - Hershey - Reading - Lehigh Valley - New Jersey - NYC Philadelphia - Norristown - Allentown - Scranton this rout would likely go east towards the Delaware water gap not over R&N's main line. R&N could run trains starting in Allentown to Jim Thorpe and other stops in the rest of North Eastern PA and towards Reading. The idea of coming to see these eastern Pay towns and riding the train to do it could have a self reinforcing effect. If nothing else, it might help get some of the weekend day tripper cars off the road and out of street parking.
@watertowerguy5 күн бұрын
I live in Pottsville would love to take a train out of the renovated train station. They did spend millions of dollars tho fix it up. Reading & Northern just does holiday special out of there but it would be cool to actually take a train to then hope on Amtrak. Every time I want to go visit my friends in Philly I need to drive and when I go to visit my friend in NYC I drive to Elizabeth town to then take the train to Philly then up to New York it’s rather a pain because it adds an hour plus onto my trip. I refuse to drive in NYC it’s too much to park and to drive. Also it is rather easy with the subway to get around. I being extremely wishful with the train service out of Pottsville but let a man dream.
@dln977 күн бұрын
We definitely need more transit accessible nature. Beautiful mountains and trails and things shouldn’t be gate kept behind access to a car
@DiamondKingStudios7 күн бұрын
As soon as the _North Coast Hiawatha_ gets reinstated, there should be coordination with Yellowstone National Park to provide connecting bus service from Bozeman or Livingston, MT to the park, or maybe a rail spur for the more ambitious planners. I doubt Yellowstone would have even been our first national park if not for the Northern Pacific seeing the area as an opportunity for tourism in the 1870s in the first place.
@erikd26287 күн бұрын
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@brianhubert84187 күн бұрын
That is a great idea about such a a rural passenger rail service. I've thought that myself when taking their highly popular RDC service from Reading North Station to Jim Thorpe on a few family vacations. My experience is they always provided excellent customer service such as when we were delayed by an hour by a tree on the track they let everybody have a free soft drink and snack from the cafe and comp tickets for the Lehigh Gorge that let me just by luck ride behind 425 in the semi-open air car. I think the demand for this is really there and Penn DOT already gives them grants in the millions to fix the track for freight a little more and you could have regular rural rail passenger service. It would do so much for these old towns that have such good bones with the kind of walkeable downtowns yet access to nature and open space that so many desire.
@trainspotting_and_tech20237 күн бұрын
Congratulations for chasing this steam loco! Rail chases are fun indeed! 😊
@CoffeeOnRails5 күн бұрын
I forever love the fact that US steam locmotives (even smaller ones) dwarf the UK ones... Hi from the wet rock that is the UK!
@waynecopple3856 күн бұрын
Philly once had a relatively good regional rail service with local services provided by the Reading and Pennsylvania railroads. In the early 80's it was decided to tie the two separate systems together with the Center City Tunnel Connection. This allowed through running between the former Readings lines and those of the former Pennsy. It was a commendable plan, but with one one very unfortunate consequence. Being in a tunnel, the connection was not able to be used by diesel powered trains. Rather than run diesel shuttle trains to connect with trains on the electrified lines SEPTA eliminated all service outside the electric zone. This major retrenchment happened almost 40 years ago and ended service to Reading and Pottsville, among other places. Today, if there were any will to do so, through diesel/electric trains with battery back up should be able to use the tunnel without a problem. It would be nice if at least a pilot project could be started without the need for endless studies. One can dream I suppose.
@bjf107 күн бұрын
I got to experience a steam locomotive up close and person when I was hiking the Oregon Coast Trail last summer. There's a section near Tillamook where hiking on the RR tracks is vastly preferred over the other possible route (the narrow shoulder of US-101), and when I was doing so an Oregon Coast Scenic Railroad train pulled by a steam locomotive came by! It was so cool.
@J-Bahn7 күн бұрын
I’ve had similar thinking that R&N should run more passenger service. I’m with you Alan!
@jacobwhitecotton7 күн бұрын
I am SUPER excited to see big boy, twice, as it comes through utah on the 4th of july and thr 20-21st
@00Zy994 күн бұрын
The biggest problem that I can see is that R&N doesn't have any downtown trackage in Reading, and Amtrak will presumably use the long proposed combination of Franklin Street in downtown and Wyomissing on the west side (for the outlet shops there), which is nowhere close to any R&N trackage. The R&N's "Outer Station" is 3.81 track miles (roughly) from Franklin Street and about 4 miles from the probable site of the Wyomissing stop. The latter has the advantage of using (I think) lower-priority traffic, but misses out on the critical point of serving DOWNTOWN Reading. Here's hoping for some serious strong-arming on the part of Amtrak.
@paulw.woodring73047 күн бұрын
According to his former Vice President, the late Jerry Jacobson, former owner of the Ohio Central RR, was all set to start commuter train service between Newark and Columbus, Ohio. Then the bureaucrats at ODOT said whoa, we've got to do studies and put out requests for proposals and other nonsense. Jerry literally had equipment lined up to start service in a couple of months. I think a lot of good ideas and proposals die in the red tape. I was on that trip Saturday. The crew was outstanding. The best thing they did was have unlimited water on hand for anyone who wanted it for the entire trip, given the scorching temperatures that day. If Mr. Muller did want to run regular service, I think he has an operation capable of making it work, although speeds would have to be increased to make it competitive. I'm pretty sure we never got over 30-35 mph at any point, and that engine is capable of 70 mph.
@liammcgrath31146 күн бұрын
They generally keep the Rambles at 30-35 mph max, so that passengers feel as if they got their money's worth. Several stretches of the railroad are Class III (60P 40F)
@paulw.woodring73045 күн бұрын
@@liammcgrath3114 Amtrak runs under those conditions in Vermont on the "Vermonter". A possible reason R&N might not want to do regular passenger service is that it would subject them to having to install PTC on those routes.
@gashrff657 күн бұрын
This is a primary a freight railroad with weekend trips to Jim Thorpe
@MarioFanGamer6597 күн бұрын
Small reminder that there are generally two trains on hour between Wiesbaden and Koblenz. And yes, it's below wires.
@jeffteets945Күн бұрын
Seeing the 2102 for the first time in October 2022 was a life-changing experience for me. I loved trains as a kid and I love transit as an adult but that locomotive is damn near a religious experience and I chase it every single time I get the opportunity now and had the privilege of riding an Iron Horse Ramble excursion from Reading to Jim Thorpe back in May. I've seen about ten different steam engines run and nothing comes close. Also the RBMN is head and shoulders above any other railroad I've ever dealt with, I can't say enough positive things about them.
@PabloM2016 күн бұрын
Sounds like a great day of railfaning!!
@trainworms4 күн бұрын
come to the UK! we have mainline steam coming out of our ears! theres even the £15 shakespeare express! also as someone that uses our rural rail network (trains are usually every hour) a fair bit, there's nothing quite like combining bike & train. (also we need the tourism money desperately)
@trainking79737 күн бұрын
I had the pleasure of riding this excursion, agree with you that the rdc's would be a great way of introducing daily passenger commutes
@Trainman5135Productions7 күн бұрын
PTC is another hurdle for mainline steam. Some organizations are installing/fundraising for it, but it is an additional major expense. (ATSF #'s 2926 and 3751 are two mainline engines currently getting PTC)
@therailfanman20787 күн бұрын
In Maine, I hope that when the MEC 470 gets restored, they run it on mainline in Mains
@stephenkeever60297 күн бұрын
Great footage! It was worth the effort.
@willhazen95077 күн бұрын
Reminds me a bit of the Class III INER in OH, IN, and MI. They host two steam programs and have started restoring another depot along the line to host bike and train excursions with NKP 765. RN is definitely on my list next time I'm in PA!
@csxguy30027 күн бұрын
I've seen N&W 611 for 4 times and reading 2102 once.
@brucemastorovich44787 күн бұрын
Next time I play Monopoly, I'm putting on my monocle and correcting people's pronunciation of Reading Railroad.
@DiamondKingStudios7 күн бұрын
Older relatives corrected my pronunciation before I even learned that was an actual railroad. My father was born in Pennsylvania and grew up much of his childhood near Lancaster, so I guess that’s part of it.
@StLouis-yu9iz7 күн бұрын
Totally agree with what you're saying about rural places only being accessible by car anymore, like just put a few request stops on these countryside lines or something! ha Cool video thanks for sharing though :]
@27Blur5 күн бұрын
Great video man! Hopefully someday I'll be running out to Scranton to take a break from the corridor lol
@federicoviolino67847 күн бұрын
UP's steam program is one of their biggest PR assets, CPKS came close to match it with the Empress tour but Mexico accidents happened
@hoonami1397 күн бұрын
Great shots, I’ve been meaning to take a trip out to Pennsylvania and see 2102
@brandonbollwark59707 күн бұрын
Amtrak should conect the planned Allentown line to Reading then to Harrisburg, linking it with NYC and creating another connection to Philly in Reading. Possibly even a special express SEPTA line from Philly to Allentown? I really think the transit density from the NJ/NEC could continue into PA The infrastructure and the density of towns is really good.
@MarkLac7 күн бұрын
One Problem with that: Norfolk Southern Corp.
@samblensdorf73847 күн бұрын
Scranton to Buffalo to the lake shore can be rerouted earlier to make Chicago to NYC quicker
@Whatneeds2bsaid7 күн бұрын
Was that the unedited audio from the gorge shot!?!?! That thing was **BOOMING**!!!
@OldsVistaCruiser7 күн бұрын
The 2102 is so loud that she often drowns out her own Reading 6-chime whistle, one of the loudest steam whistles on the rails.
@harrisonofcolorado88867 күн бұрын
Never thought that Fisher would upload a video relating to Reading 2102
@RyanBreaker7 күн бұрын
I was thinking exactly this about the Alaska Railroad. They have stations and serve a lot of places but outside of freight are set up almost exclusively for serving excursions and cruise ships. We wanted to book them once to travel between towns but the schedule and pricing because of that made it not really an option.
@RailMan102_Productions7 күн бұрын
I still have yet to see Reading 2102, although I have seen NKP 765, and Pere Marquette 1225
@erikgustafson93197 күн бұрын
Just go to Germany and tell pendot to buy some second hand bonbardier talents
@themidlandconnection7 күн бұрын
Tame impala slowed and reverb? I see you Alan fisher..... lovely railfanning tho
@robk72667 күн бұрын
I heard the reason most freight railroads don't sllow steam is due to insurance reasons
@csxguy30027 күн бұрын
And that one Amtrak policy the in-famous Richard Anderson put up in 2018.
@williamhuang83097 күн бұрын
I've been saying this a lot but I really think that the US should get a successor to the Budd RDC. Cheap, reliable service for rural/less busy lines. See Victoria (Australia)'s V/Line system for example
@maas12085 күн бұрын
Only DMUs you can get Stadler Flirts
@gdrriley4207 күн бұрын
Thankfully not being a class 1 they should be able to run upto 12 passenger trains (in total so 6RT) on a route before they need PTC.
@FluridCube7 күн бұрын
yay liam
6 күн бұрын
Imagine if 2012 was your pleasure AND your commute. What a life! But steam was always being attacked not because it was messy but because it was beautiful. The decision to convert 2100 to oil was an act of hatred made by people who have too illegitimate money.
@hairypotter2597 күн бұрын
Pural Rassenger Pail
@Oldjohn522 күн бұрын
Owning and driving a car is becoming too costly for a greater and greater number of people. Public transportation might make a return.
@web_error7 күн бұрын
Outro song ? ^^
@alanfisherextras5 күн бұрын
Tame Impala - Lost in the Yesterday
@keith5615Күн бұрын
It all comes down to one simple thing. Taxes. And Americans constantly complain about them even though they are taxed much less than other OECD citizens.
@MarkLac7 күн бұрын
The problem in the center of this entire issue is Norfolk Southern Corp. and that is something you can’t ignore. While on the excursion even the conductors who were chatting with my mother had said NS is deathly afraid of Andy Mueller and his Reading & Northern because unlike Norfolk Southern’s “Scorch and Burn” business model that is Precision Scheduled Railroading; Mueller and the Reading & Northern have refused to adopt that model and have brought back a lot of customers that NS usually would drive away! R&N gets their goods to their customers on time and with a reasonable rate. It is why Norfolk Southern should just give up the Lehigh Line to R&N and if possible snatch the Sunbury Branch from Sunbury, PA to Binghamton, NY (and even the conductors echoed what everyone is saying about those two lines how NS is basically killing both lines).
@theriverurbanist7 күн бұрын
Hi
@davidsixtwo6 күн бұрын
KZfaq getting foamy
@ThePTBRULES6 күн бұрын
The thing is, subsidies mean it isn't self supporting, that means it isnt economical and tour taking someone else tax dollar to pay for another person's ticket.... That being said, we waste so many tax dollars, I'd rather see us develop passenger rail again and turn it over time to private companies. Any subsidies would need to scale so that it pushes companies to find a balance where a line could be independent. Secondly, Private Companies are better than public companies, because you can reason with a single owner and develop a long term plan, where stock owners and board members have to focus on profitablity. Id love more train service, maybe we would have ore today if the government had deregulated the railroads after WW2 rather than in the 80s.
@00Zy994 күн бұрын
Subsidies means that it isn't self-supporting DIRECTLY. The benefits go out to the larger economy as a whole. If I told you I had an investment with a 300% rate of return and a consistent 50-year track record, you would throw every penny you had at it, right? Well, according to a non-partisan report, that's NASA. Every dollar put into NASA puts three dollars into the national economy. (certain NASA advocates had claimed a 1700% rate of return, and opponents said it was a money-hole, so that's why the report was made) The same holds true for public transportation. We don't expect roads to turn a profit, so why expect the same for passenger trains? The benefits come in the form of increased mobility, decreased wear and tear on the roads, more job opportunities, higher real estate values, etc. A positive return from the farebox is nice, of course, but airlines wouldn't make money without massive amounts of direct and indirect subsidies either.