Love having new routes but hate loosing the old ones.

OMG, thats soo true!

Know that feeling yes T_T but a tthe same time after 30 mins in the new set I already forget about the old one and got a new project and feel like a little kid with new toys hahaha

That's why I know the resetting schedule of all my gyms lol

correct I stg I went through the 5 stages of grief when a comp set on the bolder walls was removed.

That and people who are in fall zones and walk passed under being on their phones or sitting under being on their phones. Too many times I almost fall ontop of some random person by 3" away from them.

That's actually my only pet peeve

I've definitely dived in some crazy directions to avoid absolutely destroying a 6-year old exploring

@@erraticbro Yeah right, you just crush those wandering little ones. :)

I once recognized a kid was playing right underneath me climbing. I told him to go away, it's dangerous. His mom was there and told him "No it's fine, keep playing" and looked at me as she wanted to kill me for talking to her son...

bruh yes. 3 1/2 month now in Germany😭

I hate COVID. I understand and respect the lockdown. Crush COVID, get me my vaccine, I wanna go to the gym!

@@error.418 lucky if you can walk after that vaccine.

@@ClimberinChrist You do realize it's been tested and many people have had it now and it's just fine, right?

@@ClimberinChrist whys that?

Especially boulderers ;) (I'm one myself, so don't blame me, you know it's true)

Lol

SO TRUE!

Number two: "cooling down"?

Truuuueee

This happened to me as well. Very small gym. No matter where i picked up and put my chalk bag these kids would run over and use it. They were very young though....the type to do the cave adventures in some of the gyms and not actually follow proper climbing routes. It was annoying but i buy the cheapest chalk possible and was once a kid like them. What are ya gonna do 🤷‍♂️

@@Jagknorr I was definitely more irritated by the parents encouraging it. Lol

yeah, a grown man used mine once... during the pandemic no less! So gross!!!

I honestly sad how much this happens to me because I have a 8b+ chalk bucket so people always want to touch and stuff and it’s kinda weird

@@thearter12 Actually, there's not much to worry about there. Studies have found chalk inactivates the infectivity of the virus.

Or when the tape marking a hold is gone lol

Had this happen yesterday. "there's no way I'm supposed to make this...". After trying and falling a few times I finally spied an extra hold around the corner that would have helped

...and then comes a 7 year old girl and flashes your project at first try, skipping two more holds :)

...because it was a black hold completely covered in chalk.

One of the rare moments when beta spraying is acceptable imho

happened yesterday. I was trying a 6C boulder which needed some cheecky technique, then some fella came, flashed with hands only and left :(

@@alexanderhandjiev2845 I feel you, happens every time

@@TheCookieMansion a bit of an update. Today I found out, He is Bulgaria's best climber, Peter Ivanov

@@alexanderhandjiev2845 ohhhh that's a completely different story lol

@@alexanderhandjiev2845 happened to me today was working a problem the whole time and someone flashes it like nothing then moves to the next wall.

or when they make a crimpy route virtually unclimbable by setting another one across it with huge holds just where you should be as close to the wall as possible

that.

@@cogitodubitoamo Why do gyms do this! Everywhere I've climbed this has been a problem and it drives me crazy, they never consdier how new problems affect preexisting ones when they set

@@cosmicreciever they probably don't test the whole route, which is pretty messed up considering how much a membership costs

This but with slab. I love slab, I climb slab, its great. Except when I gotta trust a move with a gigantic hold poking right under my face/chin. I'll happily fall off a wall on any other part of my body on the way down but grinding up my face ain't cool

We need this

For me, the most annoying thing about "new" climbers is when there is a group of them, and they are super psyched to climb some problem together, and completely ignore that other people may want to climb in the same area (especially when these people were there before). Nothing is more annoying than to have a good rest before what could be the send go of your project, and then a group of 5 people comes along and projects the V2 that crosses your climb. So just check regularly if you're blocking someone else's climb, and give other people access to the wall in between the attempts of your group. Otherwise it's relatively simple, just apply common sense and be respectful to others. Brush your climbs after you are done. Don't make people feel bad about their climbing, and avoid words like "just" or "only", as in "you just have to commit". Everyone is trying their best, if it were easy for them, they would have done what you tell them to do already. Don't make people feel bad about their body, for instance, don't act surprised when your shorter friend can't reach a hold you easily can, and don't laugh at someone who is too weak to hang on to an "easy" overhang. Be humble about your progress and answer compliments with compliments. The list could go on, but really, there point is that there are no secret rules, just be a decent human being and you'll be fine.

Id say that a lot of new climbers don't respect kids- i get 20 year olds coming into the gym climbing v2's and expecting me to go for the v2 aswell, and then get offended when i flash a v6. Im not trying to "show off", i don't care about you. Im training for my next competition you idiot. (Aimed at the people in my story not you) Im 15, forgot to mention. Iv been climbing since i was 3

I agree with@@martinr113 tldr version -be wary of fall zones -be mindful that the gym is a shared space, don't hog a wall/don't start a climb if your route is near someone already on the wall -use chalk, helps avoid greasing holds -no climbing shoes in restrooms and no outdoor shoes on the mats/holds

Stay off the mats.

I feel like everything in my gym is downgraded

The setter who hates me dropped a 7a to 6b+ because I flashed it. 🤷‍♂️

@Matthew Masek It's still a v9, good job !

never forget to INSTANTLY downgrade your projects the second you send it. Especially if there are other ppl around trying the same problem (mumbling somthing like "7a max, probably only 6c+) while you are hopping off.

Lol one of my pet projects was rated a v2 (I have been climbing for 2 months) but it had a massive campus or heal hook on an overhang that I am still trying to complete. After a week they made it a V3 because the setter made it a V3, which was a huge confidence boost. It is still kicking my rear though. Lol

Its also self defeating. How is your gym going to stay open if no one new joins? Just go build your own setup in your garage where you can be the king of the castle.

I just don't understand the mentality of it to begin with. At some point, everyone was the newbie.

May just be the area, but I’ve honestly never once seen this in like 18 years of climbing...

@@danielbeall7725 Oh no it's never happened to me, nor have I seen it thankfully. I've read some comments online before and it was because of it being mentioned in the video and my experiences with it when it comes to other things

I never understood gatekeeping. I practice a couple of martial arts in which you are welcomed in and you learn the etiquette on day one. And the more senior people are required to teach as part of their advanced learning. This means everyone is on the same page and friendly. I think a lot of coldness from more experienced climbers comes from a love of thier comfort zones and forgetting what it's like to be a newbie.

Shit I think I'm that guy, I'm sorry, gonna be more careful from now on (Sorry in the name of all chalk addcits >_

That guy who buys a bottle of water to dump it on his head instead of just drinking it. And then shakes it all over everyone.

@@Robert_McGarry_Poems That cant be a thing😂

There was one time when I crop dusted someone with a fart as we were climbing adjacent routes. He was not amused. Sorry bud, I couldn't hold it off much longer.

I just started climbing 2 months ago and holy crap are some people either willfully inconsiderate or ignorant of their surrounding. One particular time I'm sitting on a bench and this one dude standing inches from me basically claps a plume of chalk right into my face. I'm talking like actually making visible coverage on me that I had to shake off in an obviously noticeable way. The dude didn't even give a quick "sorry".

I experienced once spilling someone else chalk... it was quite embarrassing and an uncomfortable situation..

@@twariik8550 That usually happens because the bag was in bad spot to begin with. Chances are the owner felt bad too, so don't worry too much :)

free chalk

In some cases ppl just dont realize that they are "hogging" the wall especially if its a group of 3/4 then your not on the wall all that much and its easy to focus in on a problem. You will find that ppl are usually very accommodating if you just ask if you can have a go at a nearby problem or even that one hey maybe you have a slightly different approach and you can beta share without spraying ofc :). Anyway that just imo and of course sometimes there will be assholes but hey if thats the case then maybe its best to find a different spot for that session

I'm one for those shy people. When I see groups try a problem I want to try it too but get too nervous to ask and cut in :(

@@viviannguyen4226 same here most of the time I feel too awkward to ask because they’re like all trying a boulder on the wall and i don‘t want to interrupt

Just go in and campus their problem ;)

Yo just ask even if nervous. Even if you dislike the ppl hogging there. The more often you ask the more natural it will become. Shy people will see your behaviour as guidance to dare and ask.

Brilliant

I mean they "usually" don't block your project and if they see how I'm falling off the wall they surely won't stand below me as I try to send my project ^^

As a kid climber i hate that too. Im 15 but when i was like 13 i constantly got shit for other kids running everywhere even when i was just training. Its ridiculous, you're here to climb. If you want to play, go to a playground. Climbing is fun enough without running

Climbing is a playground. It’s playing for everyone. Kids should climb too. Many of the greatest climbers grew up climbing. That being said, children and parents should be aware of the dangers in the gym. That also being said, I’ve seen far more adults not respecting boundaries and being unsafe than small children. I say let them climb, but be good models for behavior.

@@lolaharwood4702 its not even the 13 year olds, its the

@@jana31415 honestly the ~6 yr olds are often better behaved than the 13 yr olds in my experience as they're better supervised

Do you still climb and if so how’s it going??

If you didn't know by now that's kinda your own fault.

He didn't even mention the fact that quirrell has voldemort on the back of his head. Wait, dumbeldore dies?

I just started recently as well! And I agree, the community is like nothing I’ve experienced before and it’s just so fun and uplifting, matter how much experience you have :)

@@elanaszahn4092 Cool! Forgot about making this comment, little over 8 months in now and still agree. Have made some really good friends and know all the regulars that climb at my local gym. Half the reason i climb is to sit and chat with everyone at the gym lol

I'm the newbie in my group, and everyone constantly says it is just as fun to watch me learning as it is for me to watch them. (While I doubt that's genuinely the case, because watching the rest of them is crazy and inspiring, it does really make me feel great having that support. And even having random folks at the gym give a "hey awesome!" is just the best. Climbing is such a great sport specifically because we can all enjoy it together regardless of skill level.

@@badpopmusic I enjoy seeing people progress, improve, and enjoy the thrill of finally completing a route that's been challenging them. So it's definitely enjoyable watching new people, and I've only been at it for a couple of months

Kind of a similar thing happened when I sent my first V7 at age 14 when I was at a comp. I tried the route like 9 times (tech start with a huge dyno finish) and finally got it. The adrenaline literally blinded me for a second but everyone was cheering and it was amazing :D

Yeah, like when you are skipping holds and people point out the problem is easier when you do use them :-)

My gym is very small, so im always trying to find ways to skip holds, eretes or volumes to make a route harder than it needs to be because there arent enough routes at my level to keep improving. About once a session someone will point out a hold im obviously skipping on purpose or remind me the volume is on. Yes, i know this v2 wasnt intended to be massive dynos with an inverted bicycle hold at the top, and you watched me climb a handful of v4 and v5's, so you should understand that this route is nothing more than a warm up for me as it was set.

Yeah, the amount of times i have been told to use the jug instead of dino'ing past it is frustrating to say the least

Same thing happened to me; I was projecting this V8 and a ~40 yr old guy was struggling on a V5 to the left of my project and was tryna gimme beta. I was like “my guy, I know you THINK you know what is the right beta, but there’s a different between knowing something in concept, and actually knowing what it’s like to execute in practice”. The thing is that when you see someone doing a hard problem that you haven’t tried, you think you’re seeing with clear eyes and that you have something to offer, but like 97% of the time they know far more than you do because they’ve been trying it and can actually do the moves

Can't agree more. One time, my friend was helping me work out a move and this person who clearly just started climbing not long ago abruptly walks up to us and proceeds to explain to us the difference between our beta before the crux move...yes random person, we are clearly in need of beta on moves that we can both do instead of the actual crux.

I’m 5’2 I feel your pain.

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I'm a 5'2 guy and I feel you. Tall people who rely on their height should not be setters imo

Weirdly enough, I have the opposite problem. None of the setters at my gym are tall (maybe 5'8" max), so a lot of betas feel really claustrophobic and ultimately the taller guys can just reach past some crux moves, making several boulders pretty boring. We can generally still do the correct beta, but it flows much worse than what was intended

One of the gym owners in my hometown is a badass lady like this. Short, but loves powerful, wildly overhanging big move climbing.

Hate that. It's basically the same as one surfer dropping in on another that's already on the wave. Just wait your turn, and if you're the one already climbing, I'll wait mine.

This one feels more important than any of the other ones albert put on his list

I was about to send a route and a guy just hops on right in front of me

Overlapping happens more often in crowded gyms. Since people are impatient or just lack the foresight to check if their route intersects with another climber.

My friend or dad always tells me if I am going to far over so I have to go the other way

As a pretty strong climber (absolutely bragging here) I do that all the time, warming up on people's projects or doing circuits on them, I actually feel bad for them and I know how they must think I'm just rubbing it in their faces but what am I supposed to do 😬

@@etiennevandamme3566 I think it's fine actually. I say this as an intermediate to weaker climber, who's been on both sides of this plenty of times. I often find it inspiring instead of discouraging actually. If I don't want to have the beta "spoiled," I'll look away, but if I'm feeling stuck, I'll watch and take mental notes. Watching stronger climbers is a really good learning opportunity.

I like when that happens because it gives me motivation to complete the route or problem and see how someone else overcomes it.

@@etiennevandamme3566 lol I often ask the guys to do that specifically so I can study them and ask about tips or specific parts when they come down.

Oh no...my PTSD :c Not only did he flashed my project without projecting it for a second he also flashed the black one (hardest difficulty in my gym) beside it where even a regular climber who climbs on this lvl struggled...That was nightmare fuel...

Oh man. I’ve had nightmares of that for the last 13 years.

Why are kid climbers so good + so confident? One of the workers at my gym assured me they'd been climbing since like 3, whereas my fatass had only a few months of experience. Still makes you feel disheartened when they're just hoisting themselves up without a care + I have to reassure myself my hands are strong enough for that hold for the fourth time haha

Only made worse when they do eliminates or campus it

As a team kid i gotta apologise, most of the time im doing flash training for comps but i hate it when i obviously make other people feel bad, makes me feel shit that i had to make you feel that way too :(

Yeah me too, i'm very new and i just say stuff like oh trust your feet or you had that it was so easy, and i've said that to climbers several levels above me and one of them seemed annoyed at me and walked off after i was beta spraying. I feel bad now, i like encouraging people like saying you were so close or that's light but i should also not try to give "tips" to people obviously better than me knowing damn well that i can't do the routes they can.

I just got into climbing and probably would like advise if I struggle with a problem for a longer time. I guess it depends on the situation, tone and how good of a climber you are.

You just have to ask if they want the help first. Don't just blurt it out!

Him : "Hey want some advice?" *Me, holding by a single pumped arm, in the middle of a barndoor, about to be yeeted to the next gym, red like a tomato and sweating like it's raining inside* "WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?"

I also don't mind a little help and I do help others tho 2 things: I never advise above my level (I am a a little better than a complete beginner) and only if I can tell the person has been struggling for some time. I guess it's because I don't mind advises from better climbers, it helps me grow :3 People at my gym help each other a lot and I never see anyone being mad about it.

If you ask before and they want help, thats okay. I like to get technical advices, but I really hate when someone spoilers the route to me.

Lol when the gym invests in new holds. And your fingers are just bone and blood after one session hahaha get grated boii

I've only ever slab grinded once, and it wasn't even on a slab 😂🥲 It was in the cave at my gym, I went for a reach that I didn't make, and scraped my index finger on the wall most of the way down, taking off several layers of skin and almost exposing a vein with how deep it was. I was just glad it waited to start bleeding till after I walked away so I didn't get blood on the wall or holds 😂

@@katelynplatt9044 That sounds like it hurt! My worst was climbing a crimpy slab V6, both my hands and feet slipped off when there was a big volume directly under my chin. Suffice to say, I have a neat little scar there now 😄

Outdoors it is called cheese grading as well. I've never heard of the term "slab grinding."

Knew a guy who admitted he was bleeding one time but decided to give it another go before getting a bandaid like it was him being badass and not just gross

I bled on a hold for the first time after not realizing I knocked the shit out of my knee and felt fucking horribleeeeee

and they need ur chalk, and want to know what leading is, and want to belay, and want to learn how to self belay.

In my gym the problem is more the groups of kids, we only a have a "small" bouldering area and when a group of kids come, forget about trying anything where they are u.u

Kids actively want you to kick them during a dyno or crush them as you fall off the wall

Under 16s are banned from the boldering rooms at my local gym. Which I find a shame, but apparently there were too many accidents.

@WungusBill in my gym, there is a birthday area in the back with a bunch of easy holds to deal with this.

@@Pshady Maybe if they have several rooms they can have one only for the kids? We have a kids climbing room on the second floor, but it's for kids below 4. I mean when they are around 10 they start to understand, I think 16 is a little bit too much...

It's always easy to just ask, "Hey, you want some advice/beta on that climb?" This sidesteps everything annoying about beta spraying. Also, you really shouldn't even really be offering any advice unless you've climbed it before and you've seen them fail quite a few times. I don't even consider offering unless I've seen someone fall on a single move 5 times or more. Giving people the answers, even if they're willing to hear it, makes them worse climbers in the long run. They should actually try to solve the problem themselves.

I relate. Sometimes screams happen unintentionally because holy shit you're pumped and holding onto those tiny crimps at the near finish of your project hurts like hell and you're literally using every last ounce of strength to get there. But the guy that's grunt screaming like he's powerlifting every move on a 10a starting from the very first hold? Now that's just attention seeking, imo.

Yes

I feel you i love when i hear loud grunts or power screams from across the climbing gym or even in a regular weight lifting gym, i feel like it gives it more of an atmosphere and real gym vibe

I usually direct people that complain about power screaming to the Planet Fitness up the street.

I relate and in other sports like weightlifting it is crucial for most athletes to be able to push through tough challenges

Some of my "tops": You always know the routes will be dry! There's almost always somebody at my level (or better) if I need advice, or just some moral support 😅

Coming in to an empty gym with fresh routes just set 😍

Who kills him?

@@ownedinc4274 Harry

@@ownedinc4274 crookshanks

Yeah it's pretty dumb

You can find out who kills him!

Not sure you can blame anyone else for that 🙂

@@diabl2master it was a pet peeve about what he hates in gym climbing, not something about any other people

trusting your feet just isn’t an option 😭

There's a classic spot near me that's sandstone that has been climbed on for around 50 years or more. High traffic, local, easy access near a big climbing community. I often wonder what the problems were originally like because ik they were nothing like they are now. Kind of sad and also ego destroying when you're crushing 7s and 8s indoors and can't do a V2 because the grading hasn't changed even tho the problem has changed over decades. Lol still fun tho.

I think the idea is to ask if someone wants help without giving it. This is a good rule of thumb for life tbh. People having problems aren't necessarily looking for advice, and there's no harm in checking first

It huuurts!!! haha, I justify it by them being only 80 lbs and having ALL the energy in the world. Still feels bad though

Outdoor climbing is way more satisfying than gym climbing. Especially lead climbing. Don't you agree?

@@riccardoscalisi8942 Absolutely but I dont wanna hear someone talk shit about my truck cause they drive a ferrari

@@zyther96 Outdoor is actually cheaper than indoor

plastic pullers aren't actually rock climbers....how can you be a rock climber if you never even touch rock? but here we are, living in modern times where everything is shit and climbing has become mainstream enough to where gym climbers exist.....all good things are ruined by the masses.

@@riccardoscalisi8942 it depends if ita nearby sure, but if not definitely not

..it's not exactly a team sport bro.

@@two_tone_xlophone2630 Im not trying to say it is or should be.

"Coaching" is different from giving the solution to a problem.

Yep likewise, personally find it really helpful and makes me feel part of a community.

@@MrCmon113 it is not always about knowing the solution, but about putting it into practice. I have been climbing with the better climbers at my gym and frequently ask for help on what I should be doing. Often times I have the solution, I am simply not strong enough yet, or I am supporting my weight incorrectly. knowing I have the right idea and learning how to read the routes is the best pick me up I can get when it comes down to just my physical limitations.

This! Monstrous volumes at the bottom of the slab wall, shitty little foot holds on the last move, you know you’ll hit something on the way down 🤷🏻‍♂️

This is why I hate the trend of pseudo-slab by slapping volumes on vert. Despite sucking at it, I really enjoy slab. And there aren't enough opportunities to practice it because there's always something that can seriously injure me.

That´s funny cause I actaully prefer them to high lying volums. Espacially the ones on whom you can slip easily. Sliping in 20 cm and falling isn´t so bad but when you are already 2m up it cans really hurt.

@@leotastic5572 The problem isn't slipping off the volume. It's slipping off the tiny foot jib that's above the volume and having your ankle shatter when you crash into the volume.

How haven't you watched it 👁👄👁

I literally didn't know dumbledore was killed...

I'm reading the whole series for the first time before watching the films. As a kid only made it to the fourth book before the wait for the fifth lost my interest. I mean I've been avoiding HP spoilers for years but come on Albert seriously, right now?? lol just going to have to wait a few more weeks until I finish the books to watch Albert, something to look forward to I guess.

Yo if you haven't seen that movie by now it's your own fault

@@brittany3891 True dat

At this point I'm too afraid to ask what's wrong with this)

Lol how would they enforce such a thing bruh

@@Krushard shit and piss can be on the bathroom floor, you could step on it and then go to the climbing wall.

I live for that feeling, when big muscular guys are working hard on a problem and I just flash it in front of their eyes and walk away like its nothing. Gives me such an ego boost.

@@peacebuddha96 i get that, but I'm just a humble weekend warrior and it's a bit discouraging lmao. FYI my shirt always stays on

file down your calluses, that will help

I'm confused, isn't closing the gym what they are doing to try to control the pandemic? I personally think that the government shouldn't close gyms but people should just make decisions for themselves with whatever they are comfortable with.

@@kennyduncan7 Yep it is. But if you are opening stuff again without a plan to keep numbers low you will get a lookdown -> "normal" -> lookdown... loop.

@@kennyduncan7 woosh! not the point. you missed hard.

​@@hilemanluke I mean, from what I can tell, the country is doing what they can to control the pandemic. All my classes are online, I have to wear a mask pretty much everywhere, I constantly need to be tested for covid. What did I miss? If I remember correctly, it took nearly a year since covid started for things to get semi-normal again.

@@kennyduncan7 you are right! I have these things to! I agree! the internet and a comment section is no place to have a full convo about this. BUT, (and make no mistake covid is NOT gone, Delta is a real thing.) government didn't handle the virus early on and different states as well(depends on where in the world you live but America is a nightmare), although you can't dwell on that for we didn't have any sway in that. as I do agree with you that people should decide weather or not to go and do things, (the reason I found your comment wrong is that it is objective that the pandemic has hit the world hard and infrequently. that is objectively true. I am merely defending the fact that it did and is happening and that the closing of gyms early on helps the spread, especially since you are touching and sweating on the same holds) it's incredibly insensitive and stupid for me to comment something so pessimistic and short on a comment in a KZfaq video. so i apologize for not making myself clear and making a stupid comment.

Omg at least I'm not the only one. Took me until my third time there to notice that I was just stealing someone's chalk.

they've been closed for 3 months so far over here with no end in sight. I feel your pain

and now the government is like „schools should be reopened“ like WTF... how are the brains of those ppl working... if that happens we need to write 8 big exams in the next month without proper information about them nor good preparation bc of online schooling...

I started training at home since november to get a good start when they reopen. I tried outdoor boudering for the first time at 3°C outside. Damn I just want the gyms back.

They've been closed for over three months here, and we would've gone skiing but that's impossible due to Covid. I miss the gyms and fencing and also mountains (I live in northern germany, the highest "mountain" here is 167 m high). Well, maybe some stuff will reopen before I graduate next year, Covid can't last forever...

I think the most important part there is more experienced. Like they need to not just know the beta but also see that it is within your ability and let to you try it enough times on your own to see that you are just wearing yourself out without making any progress.

Meh, I don't think this culture should be reinforced. Like Albert said, pretty annoying if you're trying to figure it out on your own. If you're really having trouble, just ask. Climbers r generally friendly and open to sharing beta. And if you're shy, then just watch someone send the problem and steal their beta.

I think the difference is when they ask you if you want to have the solution. If they just give unsolicited advice to people there is a good chance the person doesn’t want it and it ruins their try off the route. I personally like advice after I couldn’t figure it out for a long time but wouldn’t want it in the beginning.

Yeah I never understood people being mad about beta being shared

@@cameronline3780 They're mad when people give it unsolicited. If I can solve the problems myself, that makes me a better climber. You're stunting my growth by just giving me the answers before I've had some time to think and try stuff out.

Had this problem for years too. Maybe you'll... grow out of it?? Haha I just had to learn to dyno and work on my finger strength, let me use the same beta atleast 70% of the timr

@@lolaharwood4702 lmao yeah

I like to see what I can do, probably spend 10 minutes figuring out what works and what doesn't, then maybe I'll ask the setter for beta just so I can test my strength, not my brain power

It's a spectrum. There are ways to do it that are nice, and if I'm just totally missing something obvious then I welcome it. But I feel like some people can be a bit obnoxious, and if it's something more subtle I'd rather try to figure it out myself.

I think that really depends on the Grade you climb. I feel like when climbing on lower grades its better for learning to figure out how to grab different types of holds on your own. While when climbing higher grades then I find that its most welcomed (in my case anyway) as I am clearly usually just missing something obvious or I'm over thinking it. But I can see both sides of the coin and understand if some just want to work it out.

Beta spraying is mostly annoying for me - especially when I fall off something and someone just HAS to tell me what they did. A lot of the time since I'm smaller, I may not be able to do the beta their way and I think generally I would ask someone who works at the gym for beta if I'm really struggling because they work there. 🤷 Personally am not a fan because it can come across as mansplaining (based on experience).

This is exactly my thoughts. id love to know how to climb the route. If i can do it, then i can learn from it. If im failing on it, i have no idea why im failing on it. I will assume its because “im not strong enough”.

what is gatekeeping?

the only people who worry about gatekeeping and things being toxic are the insecure and those who can't hang....i've been climbing for 30 years and the thing that irritates me beyond belief is my lifes passion becoming industrialized and sold to a bunch of twats in the city so they can come out to my backyard and crap all over everything on the weekends.........i'd rather not climb than be a gym climber. guess we both just have to live with the way things are. lol

@@two_tone_xlophone2630 bro why do you think anyone cares like im genuinely curious

@@two_tone_xlophone2630 some of us don't have outdoor rocks to climb on, and outdoor climbing is intimidating. I personally have never outdoor climbed, primarily for the first. I wouldn't have even thought of trying outdoor because the equipment and effort to go was to daunting for the high likelihood of not enjoying it.

@@adaelion3772 would you go to the local community pool and swim underwater then tell everyone you're a diver? that's what you're doing here, "oh diving equipment is too expensive, there's no deep water near me and i might not even enjoy it, but i swim underwater at the local pool so I'm a diver" is exactly what you lot sound like.....i'm not judging you for not climbing outdoors, i really don't care, in fact i think it's great, it's just less people in my backyard taking up routes, i'm judging you for claiming to be something you are not, i have more respect for the person who is self actualized enough and humble enough to know the things they are not than the one who self aggrandizes the things they do.....i ride my mountain bike down big mountains along trails but i'd never call myself a downhill mountain biker, the guys who do that are on a totally different level than myself, i'm a trail rider at best and i have no problem with telling people that, i'm confident enough and like myself enough to not have to pretend to be things i am not in order to impress other people or even fool myself into believing i'm better than what i actually am at something....i suck or am able to do a lot of things half assed and that's ok, if i only ever climbed in a gym i wouldn't call myself a rock climber, i'd just tell people i like to work out by going to a climbing gym instead of a regular gym and that would be ok for me too....i find it really strange how you lot get so injured by being told the truth....it's in the literal name, ROCK climbing, you have to actually climb on rock if you are to be one, a rock climber isn't a ice climber and a gym climber is neither....it's not rocket science.

Same🙃 Especially if it gets packed and a group of advanced climbers comes close to my route. But I guess I’m getting better at just focusing on myself and hope that they know I try my best

Just be nice and sty out of the way is all you really need to know!

I’m mixed on this. If they’re projecting something that they’re really close to getting, I totally understand. It is very rewarding when ya finally get that send. If it’s something way out of their league and they’re hogging the problem, then yea it can definitely be annoying. Worse case scenario, you can just stand really close to problem and swoop in like a vulture when they fall off.

In some cases ppl just dont realize that they are "hogging" the wall especially if its a group of 3/4 then your not on the wall all that much and its easy to focus in on a problem. You will find that ppl are usually very accommodating if you just ask if you can have a go at a nearby problem or even that one hey maybe you have a slightly different approach and you can beta share without spraying ofc :). Anyway that just imo and of course sometimes there will be assholes but hey if thats the case then maybe its best to find a different spot for that session

That's true Vesper there's always another side to it :) That's also a good point Nightseye. I have this group of people at my gym that always do it though and I'm sure they realize it lol.

@@climbingbird Yup there are always ppl that will do things even if they know its at best a little rude. I think it also comes down to a question of how many ppl is to many working in one area/ on a problem. Lets say theres a group of 3 more or less hogging a problem and you think it looks interesting and want to try so you are like well they are being rude hogging that wall. Now lets picture a group of 12 ppl working at a problem you come across that and think well theres a lot of ppl at this wall so lets go to another area. I guess it comes down to how many ppl you think should be allowed to work on a problem/ how long you want to wait for a go at it. IMO its a shitty situation when it happens but usually gyms are big enough that you can find a different area to climb in. I also know that this might depend on how the gym does its resets. I know that my gym use to reset one section of wall before and that area would always be crowded every time there where new problems. So they switch over to resetting a few problems all over the gym but that made ppl spread out more improved flow a lot more. Sorry seems like im in a ranty mood today.

@@WilliamBlack4 It's all good lol. I see what you are saying though :)

It's not tricky, unless someone asks you for beta shut your trap!

@@shanequastunningbrave5376 so apparently beta spraying is the worst but lack of common decency on the internet is completely ok. Got it 👍 How about you "shut your trap" until you figure out how to frase your thoughts in a way that's less rude?

@@shanequastunningbrave5376 speak for yourself. I've seen your comments in other videos and you honestly seem to have some anger issues. Me and my friends always appreciate some hints/beta on a problem we can't figure out. It's not that serious at all, and if it really annoys you that much, just tell them. One rule is though, that if someone is worse than me or has much less experience, i don't appreciate it that much

@@henrikblomqvist720 It's an astonishingly simply concept, unless someone asks for beta don't give it or at least ask if they want beta before offering it, not sure what the difficulty in comprehending this is exactly?

I got started in local small gyms where the main thing was community where the best climbers in the gym who can send 7a problems will cheer on a newbie climber trying to do a 5a. Since going overseas to more larger commercial gyms, I don't see the same kind of community, which is a shame.

Yeah I just started climbing in a small gym and have no clue about how the right behaviour looks like. And especially when it gets full with more advanced climbers that gives me a lot of anxiety bc no one shows you wehster your doing stuff right and all that.