I mean it did...at one point.

No it's an epilogue to Shadowbringers. This is the Ending.

@@emadwolf10 I... what? That's sort of like answering a question of "Is that water he's drinking?" with "No, there's wolves in them there woods". You're either jumping past a ton of information there, or there's absolutely no connection between question and answer.

@@truthless4720 Nah sorry mate i was answering someone else here who replied to your comment and I replied to him and he/she delete it the comment and now we are left in this predicament.

@@emadwolf10 Gotcha, no worries.

Emet's VA is top notch.

Yeah. No theatrics, just you and him. Winner sees their ideals come to pass, loser fades away as the villain.

To be fair, we already knew his title, Emet-Selch.

@@pozziellen sure, but when you fight him, the boss title card just says "Hades" whereas the first lightwarden you fight is called "Lightwarden Philia." Every other boss in the expansion with a boss name card has a title listed before their name except Hades. That's why that moment particularly is cool

I always assumed it was him casting aside his political title/shedding the name Emet Selch and fighting us 1v1 with no ulterior motivation

Oh I totally took that one. Its a bit of the ol' banter!

I took that option too but not because of joke but I remember when Oracle of Light told us that not even the valiant hero can stand alone. So I've thought that was the right answer. To ask Ardbert for the one last sacrifice.

Same here, I took it as a joke. But knowing that we never really fight alone in any boss, I took it as bit of a meta joke.

A smile better suits a hero, after all.

I also picked that one for the same reason too. :D

Oooooo we are so close, I've just started 5.3. Ohh that's good to know.

@@Albsterz ENJOY!

Favourite character in shadowbringers if not top 3.

@@Albsterz Damn well-written character. No two-dimensional cartoon villain this, but a properly-fleshed out antagonist with his own objectives and desires, one for whom we feel sympathy by the time his story is properly told. We will remember him and the Convocation - remember that they once lived - not only because it is the very history of the Source and its Reflections, but because the Warrior of Light/Darkness carries the legacy of the Amaurotines now. For good or ill, we are now the stewards/wardens of the worlds. Whatever comes next, it's up to us to determine the course everything takes.

Huh, not really. Those were an extreme minority of people who already didn't have much to lose in the first place. It's easier for them to make a sacrifce when they don't have much worth living for other than that.

@@saintgeekSG Compared to the Ancients, whose plan was to use Zodiark to nullify their own sacrifices, the two still don't compare. Not to mention they eventually found hope and the strength to live once they realized their timeline wouldn't just disappear; they were comprised of highly-capable people who could possibly have even carved out their own future to begin with had Cid not done what he did. Sending the Tower back in time left their timeline completely untouched, it fixed NOTHING for the people there, but still they decided to rebuild.

@@saintgeekSG It's not just about the 8th Umbral Calamity though. We are the embodiment of the will of sacrifice ourselves. We come this far because of people sacrificing themselves for us since ARR to the present. I think their points still stand, that Emet-Selch is wrong on this case. We wouldn't even be here if there weren't people sacrificing themselves for the good causes and lead us to this point.

@@Aereist An extreme minority. Again, the entire race of amaurotians were ready to die for this. It's not on the same scale at all, and alphinaud pretty much agrees with this through his silence.

What the ancients faced was a global extinction and life as they knew will cease to exist meaning there will be zero survivors.

But his world is already gone. And has been gone for a long, long time. Whether you believe he is a bad guy or not, he is. Because he wishes to take away the lives of everyone who exists now. His actions have caused the death and suffering of billions, if not trillions across multiple worlds, and multiple generations. That's what sets him apart from us and the Scions. We're trying to save those who are still here. And those who will come after. We're not trying to bring back what's gone, at the cost of what lives now.

@@JustinStrife You're misinterpreting his motives. He's not looking to "take away" the lives across the Shards, he's looking to "make them whole" again by returning the world to its unified state (and thus, all the souls that go with it). And that's exactly why you're the same as him. He would see the worlds as they are "destroyed" (in the sense that they would not exist as they are) so that everything can be made whole and pure again; whereas you would condemn the worlds and all the lives in them to a shattered and "imperfect" existence for the sake of preserving what is. Y'Shtola herself says that she would do the same thing as Emet if she were in her shoes.

@@theeternalshade2981 Against their will. And still causing endless suffering over generations in the process. He has never given them a choice. When you remove someone else's choice to pursue life and happiness who has done nothing wrong, you are in effect, an evil person.

You fail to see the entire point of Emet’s character. I am under no illusion that he isn’t without faults, he has a lot as with the rest of the Ascians. The point here is the clashing of different perspectives. The Ancients were once a proud and powerful race of noble conduct and fearsome power, yet when faced with a situation that spelled the doom of their race and world, their most primal instinct to survive kicked in which led them to make choices that not so long ago, they would have frowned upon, which is a real and natural thing that happens in our world today. All manner of moral upbringing will amount to nothing once you're faced with imminent death and there's nothing left but that primal instinct to survive at all costs. Alisaie basically said it herself at one point in the MSQ. She does acknowledge the flaws in the Great Work of the Ascians BUT makes it a point to admit that if she was faced with the same situation, she would have done the same as well. Being morally right is a luxury for peacetime, something that the Ascians no longer possessed once Doomsday loomed over them. All I see really were hard men and women who had to make hard decisions. They didn’t do a lot of things right, no shit about that, but at the end of the day, they were nothing more but unfortunate souls who had to make do with the fate that they were dealt with. Dismissing him and the other Ascians (barring Fandaniel, atm) as outright evil right off the bat when the entire plot and theme of Shadowbringers makes it a point to tell to us that it's not always black and white or as simple as it seemed to be is a disservice to the complexities of his characterization, this also naturally includes Elidibus. "I shall not speak ill of the Convocation-they too seek only to secure the future of our star." -Venat

@@gnw_AstA No, I don't miss the point of his character. It's that I'm not blinded by his ideology. You are, and that's fine. I have certain morals that I'm not willing to compromise to bring back my loved ones. Mainly, anything involving innocent lives. I would never devastate worlds and countless generations of people. I would never cause suffering to others. It's really as simple as that. You can try and spin it as some complex ideology that fuels Emet, but it's really not that complicated.

Thank you😄!.

No longer a new player 😭

Technically speaking, the souls from the Source have already undergone seven Rejoinings, so the Warrior of Light/Darness is basically 8 souls combined already, and the addition of Ardbert makes the Warrior worth nine souls, which is apparently puts them over the top necessary to contain all the Wardens.

@@noppornwongrassamee8941 thats not inheriantly correct. The reason why the WOL is x8 rejoined is because we have the elemental crystals collected in ARR. normal people of the source are still fully sundered 0x rejoined

@@TheDaisukeMiyuki Really? because from Emet's explanation, I got the impression that it wasn't just the WORLDS rejoining, but everything in them too, souls included.

@@TheDaisukeMiyuki I'm afraid your wrong, every time a rejoining happens then everything returns to the source, souls included, our soul was originally the source soul plus the other 6 that returned before our character was born, the other 6 coalesced and merged with the source soul, then the soul from the seventh merged too, plus adding ardbert it is 9 souls merged into one

The journey has been so much fun, with the community. And we all have endwalker right around the corner.

His view is misguided. Every sineater will feed on humans. Most humans will not kill others though. So there are key differences between the two.

@@JustinStrife Of course it's misguided, the tempering by Zodiark thought subtler than say current primal tempering will most definitely make sure his viewpoint is twisted just enough for him to have those views especially after all this time.

@@savagehowler I think there are quite a few fans of the game who have been tempered by Zodiark too, judging by their support of Emet.

@@JustinStrife you can support why he did it but not how imo

Not long to go!.

Shadowbringers 5.0 is a masterpiece.

I actually just realized why, I too picked the 2nd and wondered why people didn't like that one. It's cos it can also sound like you're doubting yourself instead of the light hearted "let's get him together" vibe.

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Early squad!.