Comparing the PRO’s and CON’s features of using an Alcohol Stove, or a Canister Stove
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@thriftysurvivor61172 жыл бұрын
great video. Personally, I prefer cooking over either an open fire, or using a wood burning stove. When it comes to weight, they can't be beat, but they also have their disadvantages. If it's raining, or if I want to be stealthy, I'll use either a canister stove, or an alcohol burner. I don't have to worry about a wind screen when the only time I use either an alcohol stove or gas stove is when I'm forced to cook under my shelter. I will say that I really enjoy an open fire, and that's my favorite way to cook, and since you don't have to carry fuel, the weight of the stove is the only thing that comes into the weight factor. My favorite type of wood stove is a light weight titanium gasifyer stove. They tend to handle wind pretty well. Just my two cents.
@Oldsparkey5 жыл бұрын
I only use denatured alcohol or food grade ( everclear ) in my stoves. I have canister stoves ( really loud ) and also white gas stoves ( again loud ) and they normally stay home. They are nice for when a hurricane hits and the power goes out. Then there are the D.I.Y and Commercial made alcohol stoves , nice and quiet and really simple to use , no moving parts or anything to break down when being used. My favorite is the Evernew titanium Appalachian stove kit which is both alcohol or wood burning. I go backpacking/camping to enjoy life , do not get in a hurry and enjoy just slow going and being out there. That is the reason I like simple , quiet , easy to use stoves or cooking meathods. Here in Florida I can enjoy some really simplicity camping. ( Providing you can do this in your area ) By using a small backpacking grill and a small trench fire. Usually on the 1st night out there I will do a steak ( over the coals ) on that grill to celebrate my freedom from having to carry fuel with me. I hammock camp so locating small sticks for a cooking fire is not a problem.
@SpiguyverBackpacking15 жыл бұрын
Try the Spiguyver stove with a little bigger gap (taller inner sleeve). I’ve played with it quite a bit and have found around 11/16 or 3/4” being the best for burn and efficiency.
@onetimeoutdoorsdj13945 жыл бұрын
Great information I do use a BRS stove but I also want an alcohol stove for when I go by myself and I just want to enjoy nature and I'm not in a rush
@memathews5 жыл бұрын
Good review of the two different methods, I agree with your conclusions. The alcohol stove is fun to make and play with, it takes some skill and there are variations to try; it's kind of like making a fire. The canister stove (or white gas stoves) are consistent and generally faster to fix a meal. As you said, the weight is about the same once you reach a 3-5 day trip. The alcohol stove is great for a day-hike/overnight or emergency use, while the canister/gas stove is the answer for multi-day and mountain (snow-melting) use. But the major difference here in the West is during fire season when any open-flame, non-regulator stove becomes illegal in fire-restricted areas, which happens with alarming regularity these days. If you can't turn off the stove, then you cannot use it under the regulations because of the fire danger. This may or may not be true elsewhere in the States.
@brettallenthomas5 жыл бұрын
good comments. especially regarding alcohol stoves being considered "open flame" versus "contained flame" .. In Texas we get a lot of "burn ban in effect" days (pretty much all summer, which would technically include alcohol stoves... I've got both , and really love the DIY aspect of playing with alcohol stove designs.. but the canister really is fool proof and simple.. just a bit more costly to run...
@effyleven4 жыл бұрын
This video is just a discussion point.. which never got to mention that you can't really COOK on a micro canister type stove. The heat is too intense, and too localised. Boiling water is all they are good at but only because water don't burn. Try frying a sausage with the BRS, especially in a thin titanium pan. You can't! You'd be better off boiling it in water! Same with an egg. This is where alcohol scores. You can actually cook a meal from ingredients, even in thin camp cookware, instead of just pour hot water into a bag full of powder.
@terryshrives83224 жыл бұрын
I tried using a stove like the BRS but just couldn't get along with it. I always end up back at one of 5he many alcohol stoves I've made. There's just something about them that I love. They are fun and they just a have a satisfactory factor to them. Great video thanks for sharing.
@jeffreycarman21859 ай бұрын
I was once on a two or three night backpacking trip and when I went to make myself some noodles for lunch (about 6-7 miles down the trail) I realized that I had forgot my alcohol stove. I had brought all the fuel I would need but not the stove. As I was hiking I decided I would try and find a beverage can to be able to make hot food. Sure enough at my first campsite I found a beverage can and made a simple stove using the scissors on my pocket knife. If I had only brought a fuel canister and no stove I would have been totally out of luck.
@pgpagaia Жыл бұрын
I don't think they serve the same purpose. If you are going more than a one nighter, and what to make coffee a couple of times per day, plus cook other meals, you're going to need a a large amount of alcohol. While a canister, even 100 grams, will easily give you plenty of boils. For day hikes, an alcohol stove and a 100ml bottle will even fit in your pocket. They are also more set and forget than canister stoves, freeing you to do whatever you want while they silently work. I like both. Both have their place. Alcohol stoves are perhaps more grassroots. Also worth mentioning that a slightly larger canister burner plus a proper stainless still wide pot, allow for a proper cooking experience well beyond just boiling water.
@totoroben Жыл бұрын
Canisters are about the same cost as alcohols such as heet when you consider energy density. Windmaster stove is super quiet if noise bothers you and absolutely does not require a windscreen. Those of you saying boil time doesn't matter will know it absolutely will if you want to share your stove with a group. The canister itself will add 100% down to 47% more weight penalty compared to the fuel contained within the canister depending on which size you get (bigger canisters will weigh less compared to the fuel they contain) and this is why greatest weight savings are realized when you split a stove system with a group. Canisters are fully recyclable if you punch a hole in them.
@TheHawkeye613 жыл бұрын
If you winter camp you must sleep with your canister or it probably won’t start in the morning and you must also keep it from freezing throughout the day as well.
@twinfin85712 жыл бұрын
So. Besides weight and burn time, what about disposable? Is the giga refillable? Or are they collecting in the garbage pit? Aren’t hikers somewhat concerned about the environment? Just asking. I don’t hike and cook. I just go out on occasion to enjoy a trail in a bit of nature. I have a trangia for use during power outage, but it would concern me to be disposing those canisters all the time if I were out on a trail.
@surfandstreamfisher57495 жыл бұрын
Never understood why 3-4 minutes longer to boil water matters. Use a fancy feast type stove and you'll eliminate waiting for a bloom.
@xenaguy014 жыл бұрын
3-4 Minutes longer for each time the stove is used. If there are two of you, you can carry one large pot, and boil water for two coffees, two dehydrated meals, and purify two water bottles, all in one pot, taking about 10-12 minutes with a canister stove. An alcohol stove could do all that, but would take about 45 minutes to do the same thing, boiling two cups at a time for 8 minutes each (plus 2 minutes cool-down after each boil). Don't get me wrong, I believe strongly in alcohol stoves, but I know their limitations also, and when to use the canister stove instead.
@surfandstreamfisher57494 жыл бұрын
@@xenaguy01 1 person, twice a day, 6-8 mins, means nothing time wise to me. both stoves have limitations. the advantage of knowing exactly how much fuel i have left is a advantage i like knowing it'll work in all temp conditions. the only time i'd personally would use a canister stove is if there was a burn ban....YMMV
@xenaguy014 жыл бұрын
@@surfandstreamfisher5749 I tend to agree. Canister stoves (and white gas stoves) are for burn bans. Too noisy for daily use.
@surfandstreamfisher57494 жыл бұрын
@@xenaguy01 and to be honest, that noise drives me crazy!!
@m.hernandez14043 жыл бұрын
Agree. You can boil water in 2 minutes. Then what? You chug down boiling hot food, then run off?
@twinfin85713 жыл бұрын
Can the canister be used indoors during power outage?
@m.hernandez14043 жыл бұрын
No
@VictorCopeland2 жыл бұрын
Yes provided you have some ventilation as for any stove.
@LaurentGouzouAKALynx5 жыл бұрын
Interesting thoughts but i think it would be relevent to mention few points not included. First the difficulty to evaluate the amount of fuel in the canister compare to an alcohol bottle. On other hand the difficulty to evaluate the amount of alcohol to pour in the stove to acheive your need to avoid waste. Finally one point that important is the environmental aspect of discarting those canisters. Even if some tips And tutorials exist on the possibility to refill them it's still an hazardous task. You can also consider the Trangia alcohol stove that can allow you to enought fuel for 2 days or the pathfinder one for even more. And the silence of the alcohol stove allow to enjoy the sounds of mother nature 😉😀😀😀
@clintonlindsey43913 жыл бұрын
Yeah agree with this. Something that I don't think has been discussed a lot is having to carry around a flammable liquid substance in your pack that could leak and get all over food or clothing is a big con for me.
@Sokol102 жыл бұрын
Here in Brazil an accident with refill canister that blow up, severely hurt the knee of the guy.
@ronaldren55815 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to refill that canister with lpg
@mdefiel4 жыл бұрын
ronald ren yes there are instructional videos on KZfaq