@James Henderson ignorant pig

@James Henderson discussing comment shame on you🤨

@James Henderson well you sound like a thundering prick of limited sense.

@MrMervinJMinky yes we don't like the English too much 🇮🇪👍😁

@James Henderson The best way to reply to such a comment, in my humble opinion,would be to refrain from giving it the dignity of a reaction at all. 'Hopefully this will be the least reaction to such a comment.

@@antseanbheanbocht4993 aye it was part of the curriculum and we had to write an assay and do a test on it, we even watched the Micheal Collins film with Liam neeson lol it was a Catholic school so maybe that had something to do with it

@@antseanbheanbocht4993 Scottish curriculum has Easter rising and Potato famine. Scottish curriculum is very different from the English, English won't mention Scotland or Ireland once.

I'm English and the only way I properly learnt about the Irish Potato famine was through reading the Readers Digest book of Great Disasters. It was mentioned a fair bit and English people are aware of it, it just isn't in the curriculum (well it wasn't when I was growing up)

Terrorists you mean

@@shooterblaze1 Amadán.

Alan Gregg. ypu are absolutely correct .

The 32 County Republic was already functioning from 1919. The treaty put an end to it

An Barr Buadh that’s not true at all. The Government of Ireland Act 1919/20 gave Ireland a Republican government in Dublin and a Loyalist government in Belfast. It still kept the partition. The 32 counties have never been freed since Ireland was first invaded

@@footballireland3623 The All-Ireland Republic was functioning from January 1919, it had its own courts, police, all Ireland parliament, and army, the IRA. The government of Ireland act was December 1920 to introduce two partition parliaments to break people's allegiance to the All-Ireland Dáil. Republicans boycotted it and formed the 2nd Dail in 1921. The treaty put an end to it when the British got a section to support partition. The republian courts were suppressed, the republican police, and then the army was attacked by the free state one.

Collins was shot by his own people

His mother was a Catholic too

Both his parents were from mixed Protestant and Catholic marriages

maybe i am exaggerating things but maybe, just maybe, there would not have been magdalene laundries and industrial schools and while the church would have had its place, it would not have been allowed so much dominance-separation of church and state.

johnners clonkerbernard Killed by the greedy Brits and that coward De Velera who made Ireland unwelcoming to non Catholics.

No Martina, you are not exaggerating.

Yes you are exaggerating should never ever signed

@@61505 the laundries started in the 1800's

@Adam Marshall yep he was pretty crap!

@Enoch Power shhhhhhhhhh up Yeh muppet

@Enoch Power gud vid hehe good man

He's not a fan of Ireland,he's a ranger's fan a blue nose.The wind that shakes the barley is mostly bull shit.

@@AwRighttttt 🤣🤣🤣

+Jo Moreland me too . in fact, i couldn't stand the guy before i saw/heard this clip. ps i am english but we have the benefit of irish radio in the south west and it is so much better than bbc!

I was just about to write the same FairPlay to him.

Same here!

Mine has gone down.

A Rangers fan from a Glaswegian Protestant family, if he hadn’t been pushed out of ibrox for marrying his Catholic partner , his career and RFC history might have been very different.

You are also an intelligent and very smart man and you know fotball

Yes I'm a gunner but you can't disrespect someone like sir Alex, stand out manager of my generation without doubt

Fergie was different to every other manager. Can't imagine Pep Guardiola being this intelligent

Liam Gallagher No, I heard Warnock once give a passionate defence of Brexit but not sure of any other manager who can speak with the knowledge of Collins, De Valera, 26 v 32 counties and the subtle nuisances of Irish history.

Liam Gallagher pep is intelligent lad doubt he’d give a fuck about Irish history when his own home of Catalonia is going through something which he’d obviously be more invested in

@@WakaWaka2468 No, you are wrong. Pep Guardiola is, rightly, a Catalonia nationalist .. He probably knows all about Ireland ...

His Mother was an Irish Catholic from Enniskillen

@horseman64. I would question that. Dev had a tough time keeping McQuade at bay.

My dear father was proven to be completely correct almost time that he spoke, he was a gentle, kind and thoughtful man who lited lifted his hand to any of his 11 children all during his hardworking life, he was not a man to give his opinions very often but when he spoke we listened and remember, I recall what he said about De Valera and how he kept the people down by his own beliefs, Dev was not a bad man but somethings that he did and do not do helped to keep the poor and less well of poor and less well off

@@jamesbradshaw3389 I wonder what Collins and Dev would have thought about Ireland being sold out to the EU troika deal?

realistically, it would have probably worked out much the same. If Connoly had survived, both the firing squad, AND cancer, things would have been way different.

A profoundly ignorant comment that exposes your lack of knowledge. No one was under any thumb, they chose to do so. We had secret ballots and people could have voted for a secular party but they didn't want it.

Me to...Greetings from Ireland

Me neither.

No Surrender to IRA terrorists.

@@triestodrum2215 ira today are scumbags, but their rise especially after ww2 was justified. catholics simply had enough of the oppression and chose to rise up. the uvf were shite compared to the highly organised ira

@@triestodrum2215 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪

Collins was shot for taking Oath to the King and collaborated with the British government. He died a traitor

@@shredder9536 I was not aware of that. Was this ever proved or was it to cover the political jockeying within the IRA leadership. Perhaps my view of Michael Collins was to a large extent influenced by my grandfather who thought very highly of Michael Collins.

Definitely agree.

@@claddaghclare22 did you.know as the took his coffin on a ship to cork the met a British fighting ship and all stood to attention until it passed

@Twilight living well seemly not everbody there was a civil war over it

@Twilight living it was the cause of a civil war here in Ireland my point why did the not see at the time collins was made a scapegoat

@Twilight living it was in cork i was in the pub he drank in before he left a lot off Cork people believe he got shot by one off his own men in the ambush we never will really know

charlie hunter: Fergie is self taught, Irish history is not taught in brit schools that makes him a well read man

Alex Ferguson could teach us all something, he was in the Boys'Brigade as a lad.

@@johngilmore6688 what is that?

when are you people in the north are going to wake up and realise the english people want their billions of pounds back when ireland is united.

@freebeerfordworkers I went to school in Dublin in the 50/60s and the Boys Brigade were active in the protestant schools then.

Patricia Harte what does he really know a fckin royalist unionist.

If you are really interested in the history of Ireland the famine the Rebellion even up to 2008 people's property went right down the pan it's all on KZfaq you can spend a full day on I doubt if you remember it all go on KZfaq go back to 1880 's and to and really things started building young irish lads was with the British soldiers fighting in France against the Jerrys 1916 to 1918

Why Scotland avd Ireland are very similar

Not Really hes from Glasgow 🍀🍀🍀🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪☘☘☘

colman long ah so you can’t be a royalist or unionist if your to know irish history. Fucking read a book you uneducated twat.

He's a traitor to a lot of us

@@shredder9536 but this is Ireland.

@@robinclarke9978 what do you mean

@@shredder9536 so u would rather still Ireland be apart of Britain ? If Ireland fought on Churchill himself was prepared to bomb Ireland to a crisp I’m from the north and out day will come he’s no traitor

@@dylanmckibbin8822 6 counties still under British rule. The free staters were allies with the British and still are. The British army train the free state army and the RAF protect the skies above all 32 counties.

With you there Eamonn. Have to say I'm surprised

Most have just been taught to spray "UP DA RA" on community center walls.

Trev Moran where as the rest are sent to band camp to march in honour of a poof and murderers.

Gael na hÉireann wouldn’t have been taught in Fergie’s school

@Gael na hÉireann Well said

Collins was a traitor, which is why the IRA killed him.

@@MarkHarrison733 Érie would still be under British rule had it not been for Michael Collins.

@@FUNKINETIK Incorrect. World War I had already destroyed the British Empire.

Brian Boru deserves a mention as the Irish goat too.

Its not prejudice more that one gets headaches trying to understand people from glssgow. I often cant even read a text either

Mark O'Brien away and don’t talk shite and yer words only go to prove yee are a racist and anti Scottish av never heard an Irish man or woman say they struggle to understand a glaswegian or a Scotsman/woman for that matter mabey yee are just a wee bit thick / slow in the heed son fuckin EEJIT 🖕🏻

Christy Dolan yee are clearly a racist BASTARD with yer jock comment yer a thick bastard that’s what yee are and to try and educate yee a wee bit because a now know yee really are a thick bastard Glasgow Celtic is 100% Irish mabey play in Scotland but our great club were founded by Irish men for the poor impoverished Irish immigrants that fled to Scotland to help feed them and cloth them so do yer history before yee slaver shite the only club out with Ireland that commemorates the famine and the people that died and wear a badge every year in wur strips the only club out with Ireland that has always flown the tricolor above the stand wur whole history of players past were all great Irish men Celtic are 100% an Irish club playing in Scotland it’s as simple as that but yee will be one of those turncoats that family probably fought everything the English done to your country and yet support an English team fuckin EEJIT and another thing the Scottish have given more to the world than any other country so mabey know what yer talking about before yee open that stupid silly mouth of yours DOGBREATH 🖕🏻

@@luboo4034 lol, what a load of pish.

@@luboo4034 whoa! He is only winding you up! We Irish really like the Scots...chill out man

He was a terrorist and a traitor.

@John Wickes yes he was. Shister!

John Wickes wasnt a traitor

The MightyKid dev didnt agree with the treaty like half the population so stood against it he diddnt betray he stood for what he believed 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yup...I'm Glasgow born and bred, am a Rangers supporter but, like Alex, I've always been on the Irish republic's side...the Irish people have suffered for centuries under British domination...along with a cruelly corrupt Roman Catholic Church...but not anymore, they have shaken off both these "organisations" and are now a free and independent country enjoying the fruits that that freedom gives them. On your first point...I remember a conversation I had many years ago, when I was a teenager, with my Uncle Jack who had been a Commando during WW2.....I was saying how disappointed I was that Ireland had been neutral during that war...he angrily lnterrupted me saying "listen son, thousands of young Irish lads came over and joined British regiments in order to fight the fascist bastards"...those were his exact words and I've never forgotten them...a lesson well learnt.

"Dear Hitler, sorry for your loss,lol.THanks for not invading us, Dev"

De Valera also organized a minute’s silence in the Irish Houses of Parliament upon the death of Roosevelt the week before. There were also a lot of crash landings in Ireland during the war, with German pilots being interned in prison camps, while British pilots were allowed to “escape” to Northern Ireland. Dev also sent fire brigades from Dublin to Belfast to douse the fires after the blitz up there. History is often complicated.

@@WakaWaka2468 You're the second person to ask me that haha. They're good, the spirit world is alive and well, and that is 100% true.

Probably the greatest ever manager, certainly nobody better than him...

Niall O Callaghan yeah there is

Conor Beggs No there is not, he is up there with the greatest, let himself down big time in his book but as a football manager, his record speaks for itself.. Forget about club allegiances and think of a manager that you can clearly say is / was better than him...

Niall O Callaghan helenio herrera

Conor Beggs Great manager, but aint no fair to compare to Fergie, but your saying he was better, well thats madness, what fergie done at united and the teams he put together and the consistency of his success was so great that we never even think of what he achieved at Aberdeen...no mean feat to break the old firm, not been broken since i think...

It's ahistorical nonsense. De Valera told them to report back to Dublin before signing anything

@@shredder9536 why didn't develara go and nigoate the treaty himself then the jellyfish he was president it was his duty but he shirked it and wheather he meant to or not started the civil war with his noncence. Collins and Griffith were never going to get a republic and he knew it plus partition was more or less a foregone conclusion but instead of facing up to reality he made scapegoats of Collins and the rest of the treaty signatories.

@@Minime163 De Valera previously went to London and rejected more or less the same terms. And they were to report back to him before signing so it wasn't a set up. That tactic was to relieve pressure on the team in London. We already had a Republic declared by the Irish people . It had a parliament, courts, police and army. The free staters dismantled every institution and when it came to the army it meant war.. Collins started the civil war and was armed by Britain to do their dirty work

Because DeVelera knew that the British would never offer an independent 32 county Ireland and didn't want to take the blame. He was a snake who started a civil war which killed nearly every major leader of the time.

+bascet1 It is speculation at this point as to why De Valera did not go, but there are several possibilities. As president of Dail Eireann De Valera felt it was beneath him to be at the negotiating table as head of the Irish government. I am not sure whether he thought it was beneath him personally or if he believed it was beneath the office of the president of Dail Eireann itself ? He also said it was best that the British know that the real power to accept the treaty was at home in Ireland with himself and the provisional government, the plenipotentiaries could use this as leverage to get a better deal. It must be noted that even though the Irish delegation had been imbued with powers of plenipotentiary, they were under strict instructions from Dev not to sign without Dail approval. Many people dont realize that Dev had already been to see Lloyd George earlier in the year and he knew then himself that a Republic was not on the table. De Valera also had a huge ego, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would have went had he thought recognition of the Republic was on offer. We all know why he sent Collins, he even tried to send Collins to America to get him out of the way but Collins wouldn't go. Collins really was no match for De Valera in the political arena, De valera ran rings around him, and ultimately destroyed him.

+bascet1 first of all this talk of a 32 county republic had been off the cards long long before Collins ever held any position of power so the idea of that's why the civil war happened is hog wash. The civil war came about due to the fact the oath to the monarchy and dominion status. the six counties where unionist and that had been know since before the rising in 1916, carson ensure of that. So to the question of why did Dev send Collins, the Answer simply is Dev didn't want to be a signintory of the treaty. He knew fully that the republic was a pipe dream at that time. Dev knew full well people who'd been fighting a hard, harsh and bloody battle would not accept deminion status, thus why knew better than to put his name to it. Dev was a sly for lack of better words a fucking bastard, he goosed stepped many people into a civil war including my own great grand parents knowing full well he'd turn coat them too. Sure enough he did and in doing that created the most corrupt political party Ireland ever has had and still to this day corruption is rife within FF. So what does this mean? Basically I believe Dev knew full well what he was doing, he loathed the fact the Irish people looked at collins in such a shining light and was not afraid to go to seriously low levels to get rid of him. Why do I say this you might ask? first point is setting up FF. Second point he went after anti treaty IRA with more vigure than the free state ever did before, so basically Dev wanted Collins to do the hard work, then when the time was right, step out of the shadows and take power for himself, and he did just that.

+Crimhthan Mor no dev was just a coward who sent a gunman to do what he should have done

bdlb100 Coward ? He did fight in Bolands mills though, and was next in line for execution wasnt he? what say you of that ? Surely not cowardly.

Could you elaborate on this?

de Valera was also an American.

The northern unionists even today hate everything to do with Ireland with a passion nobody can lead or drive them because they mistrust and hate the British government too they just hide behind their false brand of Britishness to keep them out of a United Ireland in reality they neither want the Irish or British they just want their own statelette where they can have everything their own way and put everyone who disagrees with them under foot.

A man that won't take responsibility, just blame the English and the irish will forget we werent involved.

Great point. I think he probably would have stayed neutral regardless of that though if I'm being honest

Yeah but it wasn't just about fighting on the British side was it . WWII was essentially about standing up to the nazism and fascism that was sweeping across Europe crushing everything in its path. clearly that situation was a existential threat to everyone, including Ireland. It's naive to think Hitler would have left Ireland alone had he successfully invaded the UK. He would have invaded Ireland too without hesitation .

Neutrality wasn't a realistic option during WWII, you just have to look at what Hitler did to other neutral European countries like Holland etc,he didn't give a shit about their neutral status.

@@neilmccormick2064 Of course neutrality was a realistic option during WWII - as Ireland proved. Switzerland proved it too.

A point about Ireland and neutrality in WW2, after the end of the war the british government said that "Ireland pushed the limits on neutrality in supporting the Allied cause as far as it was possible while staying neutral"

How can you be a staunch Protestant *and* a pagan?

How was he done over? He could have said no

@@shredder9536 if he had said no the British threatened to do a full force invasion dev knew he wouldn’t get the answers he wanted and didn’t want to take the blame

@@l.carew54 That's an old wives tale. The delegates were told to report back to Dublin before signing anything and they didn't do it. Churchill admitted in his memoirs the threat of war was a bluff. That was De Valeras reason for not going. The buck would stop with him and the cabinet away from the gruelling negotiations which wore collins and Co down

​@@l.carew54I have no clue if it was a bluff but with time for re-arming and the backlash against a full-scale invasion I do think it was a bluff. He could have rejected the treaty.

Sir Alex's " love " of Rangers Football Club waned after he was made the scapegoat for their 1969 Scottish Cup Final 4-0 defeat by Celtic . He didn't kick another ball for Rangers after that match , but firmly believes that the real reason he was ostracized was due to fact that he had married a Roman Catholic , which was frowned upon by the pro protestant club .

Fergusons time as a player with Rangers ended because he wasn't good enough. No other reason. Rangers had several players around that time who were married to Catholics. Rangers were looking for better players than Ferguson and the fact his career went downhill after leaving shows that Rangers made the correct decision.

@@andrewmcmaster6364 name one

@@ThefightingCelt jock stein was a prod which is why the club was going to get rid of him but they were forced to rethink on that and kept him ,

@@andrewmcmaster6364 That's rubbish Ferguson said in his book he should have to rangers to get to fuck

Ronald Dunne O

Dev tried to stop the assassination but he hadn’t got the authority, with them being rivals on opposing side why would anyone expect Dev to call round to him and give him a heads up? The people who lived through these times elected Dev for two terms as president

Ye he had a part in it for sure albeit not directly as a Machiavellian character; he simply sat back and let events unfold which were ultimately unfavourable to Collins. Develera was also in the area on the same day.

ravi oli Scottish independence will happen in the next 5 years I reckon 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and Ireland will get there 6 counties back soon aswelll I believe! 🇮🇪

What about Cornwall??

@@geraldwalsh6489 go for it why not Cornwall and the north of England are not represented properly by westminister all they care about is london and the south!

What nonsense, the 32 County Republic wasn't sitting over in London for someone to bring it home. The 32 County Republic was functioning from 1919, the All-Ireland Dail, police courts and army. Collins went to war to destroy it armed by the British. A traitor if there ever was one

@@shredder9536 Functioning underground, with zero control over the unionist majority areas in northern Ireland. Fighting a successful guerilla war against the British army in areas that were Irish and nationalist was one thing, to do the same against the British army in majority unionist areas, heavily armed unionists I might add (the British never tried to prevent them from getting guns the way they did for the IVF), would have been a huge ask.

Alan Gregg Machiavellian! PS Check out backtobasicsradio.com- excellent Christian teaching!

@@liamb5546 and in the end you all fought in vain seeing how the EU has now ensured Irishmen and women will become a minority in their own country by 2050.

Boy Racer good god the ignorance

no Tom Crean was

He was a traitor

@@shredder9536 No he wasnt. He did more for Ireland than any other person did in centuries. DeValera set him up, he knew he couldnt win an election against Michael Collins so he sent him to sign the treaty to build resentment against Collins. Also if Michael Collins is a traitor for not getting northern ireland back wouldnt that make DeValera a traitor as well for not accepting Winston Churchills deal to join WW2 in exchange for Ireland getting Northern Ireland.

@@danielthevito9008 Collins was a traitor. He took an oath to defend the Irish Republic against 'all enemies foreign and domestic'and he ended up collaborating with the British receiving weapons to destroy the Republic. He even admitted committing treachery punishable by death by stating he signed his own death warrant and he was correct. De Valera was a traitor too, he joined the free state and ended up hanging IRA volunteers. Churchills offer in WW2 was a complete bluff. Nobody takes it seriously.

An Barr Buadh Compromise

agreeded

I find it very interesting how collins said the treaty gives us freedom to achieve freedom which is very true ireland is very close to unification

+Lauren Murphy yes I believe you are right. Collins realised it was best to accept what was offered as the alternative was nothing. the Zionists accepted a tiny state in 1947 whereas the Arabs rejected it. since then they in abba ebans words have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. the Israelis understood history. if De valera had backed Collins, all three objectives might have been realised in time.

Will you stop .FFS 😁😋

Freewheeling Frere just watched it on utube last night.. great film!

Its heart wrenching ... Sobbed.

Irish traitor he took oath to the king and empire

🙏🇩🇪❤️

@@albionmyl7735 respect to Germany 🇩🇪 👏

The only real leader Ireland ever really had R.I.P Mick.

@@Minime163 👍💚

All accurate apart from the financial offer. He increased his salary from Aberdeen when he started @ United.

James Henderson hope you have one for that comment

+Joan Collins i doubt you are an ancestor - you would need to be well over 100 years old! i will try to find hang out ur colours

+Freewheeling Frere why do you doubt she could be an ancestor?

+thecoolone82 Because an ancestor is born before. Joan means she is a descendant.

ShatteringIllusions1 i totally missed that one haha, thanks

+Joan Collins Collins in your name? Yep, an ancestor.

Danny Paterson Scots were never opressed but the Ulster Scots sure think they were by Irish Catholics.

Robert Kelly - not sure what your point is ?

The Scots rule the U.K as a union, it's not like their second class citizens or are being ruled by the English

seankinsellasean - the Irish were also in a union with Britain and by the early 1900's most definitely could be said to no longer be oppressed. Didn't stop them wanting their own self determination. You don't have to be oppressed to want independence. Independence for nations is the same as for people; it's about seeking your own destiny in the world under your own terms.

That last post by you is super and so well worded.Fair play.

Lies

Naaa

It's still there I hate the pro treaty traitors

It never happened because the Rising happened. The WW2 promise never happened because Ireland remained neutral.

I doubt it Collins didn't hate Churchill the way dev did .. Dev expressing is condolences to Germany on the death of hitler was as much to do with giving two fingers to Churchill as feeling any sympathy for Germany ultimately a bad move give what the world was at that stage beginning to find out what Hitler did during the war

What does "moving on" mean? To me it's a pithy phrase that some people say to excuse a lack of interest in, or understanding of, history. Knowing one's nation's history is no bad thing, doesn't necessarily make one hate citizens of our former colonial masters. Pushing aside our history for convenience sake in an attempt to appear more world wise and sophisticated is just sad, an abdication of our citizenry. Would you expect English people not to celebrate their history? French? American? Not likely. Is "moving on" simply a euphemism for "we're lesser than other countries, we should be ashamed of our past and denigrate it in order to be modern?"

@@ranica47 Well everything that lives will 'move on' to whatever future it brings. It was not a phrase that was meant to be 'pithy'. The founders of the Irish nation would be proud of how many young Irish people embraced education to make the Ireland of today.

@@nev7711 Fair enough, from your point of view. Usually when it's used it's in conjunction with "holding on to the past" "stupid republicanism" "we don't need to be united, let it go" etc. Too much kowtowing to unionism. I 100% acknowledge their right to their cultural past and preference but they are big time guilty of absolute denial of nationalists preference in the North. "A protestant state for protestant people" was often used as if a majority meant the absolute non existence of the minority. Tbh they're only the majority in Antrim, Down and Armagh, the east of NI, Fermanagh, Derry and Tyrone are majority nationalist even though that's not always politically obvious because of gerrymandering.

I could be completely wrong but I believe that Collins would have brought Ireland into ww2 he wasn't like develara he wanted to develope and industerilise the country and would probably believe that helping Britain and America in the war would have helped this idea. Develara had a romantic poets idea of Ireland and kept it backwards by making the church a partner in running this state which kept the people in poverty and brought mass immigration as my father often said develara ruined Ireland and he should have knowen most of his generation had to immigrate.