It's pretty simple, actually. One is famous in the west and the other's game wont be released there.

simple. ness’s dad is a telephone. and lucas’s dad is chuck norris.

Anyone: Makes a video about Lucas The comments: “Haha lucas mom dead” “Haha game not localized”

“What’s the difference between Ness and Lucas” Me:Ness has a hat and Lucas looks like Rick Astley

I'm more of a Lucas person, but I really love both characters. Ness and Lucas is a great example of having a shared idea for a moveset but at the same time making them feel like 2 entirely seperate characters.

As a lucas player i thought i'd add a few things, - you can also cancel magnet with jump as u heal. - his down throw doesn't actually bury, you can set the opp to 999 and its still the same, and it isn't affected by mash either, its purely aesthetic. - Calling his uthrow nothing special isn't true, it kills midweights around 140 ish, making it one of the strongest uthrows in the game. - His fthrow is also a kill throw, although typically uthrow will kill a percents sooner, but will kill earlier on TnC. - His usmash has head intangibility frames 15-29 and full body invincibility frame 1-7. Also coined the strongest usmash in the game. Some more in-depth opinions on which is better Magnet - Magnet has much less combo untility compared to ness, only allowing really magnet to datk at 0. - magnet is the safest non-projectile move in the game (more so than Mario's atks, Lucario aura nair, shotos nair etc.). allowing for plenty of shield pressure. it is 0 on shield, so you can magnet the top on their shield and if they dont have an option oos faster than frame 7, u can uair them (which is also safe). - Magnet apparently can auto turnaround at times, I'm not too knowledgeable about how it works though. - when the opponent is airborne, the pull increases dependent on the opponent's percentage. Good for anti-ledgetrapping, reverse edgeguarding ( pulling them into a bair). Thunder - the term you didn't use was that it's transcendent. Its a much better edgeguarding tool but a much worse juggling tool. also when recovering it won't hit opponents and make you fall to your death. Pk thunder 2 also has trouble with all hits connecting too. Pk fire - when pk fire cranks with another projectile it actually explodes and makes a burst towards the enemy actually hitting them. Not sure if ness does that. - It also pushes lucas a bit in the air (similar to gunner fair, corrin bair). (also not sure if ness does that) - airial version has much more landing lag (as its meant to be used further away compared to ness's) - outside of playing idiots, it's mainly used as an edgeguarding tool (also tech chasing and jump callouts), and can actually kill decently early. Uair - While both have amazing combos, his is a single hit making it so they won't fall out (#fixmultihits). It has a decent disjoint on the back of the head allowing for his uair to actually beat palu's nair. - Although ness's uair kills a lot earlier than lucas's utilt - Lucas's is faster, acts similar to a zss utilt by being a quick get off me tool and putting the opponent into the air. - Although has much less combo ability, with the only combos being frame perfect fh uairs at low-mid percentages. - Ness's has a sour spot that may be hit against grounded opponents, while lucas's sourspot is the delay hit (meaning if you get hit by the horizontal hitbox while grounded, it will always pop the opponent into a sweetspot.) Datk - lucas's can hit under the ledge (but not all characters) Ftilt - Is pretty disjointed but isn't that long. - Solid 2 -framing move/extended ledge hang. - The sweet spot kills a bit earlier, but the sourspot doesnt really kill at all. (Although ness's ftilt is surprisingly strong). - is -8 when spaced, making link's upb the only move in the game that can punish it on shield when spaced right. (Ness's is -17) Neutral b - Ness can actually combo from his bc of the high freeze frame (if he lands it close). Fsmash - lucas's also reflects projectiles slightly sooner, although for slightly less duration. SH/FH time - It takes ness a lot longer to do sh, fh, shff, fh ff. one of the reason's why he can spam so much Other/Gameplay/Who should you chose - Lucas has: Better edgeguarding with all aerials being amazing(dair you don't have to time, bair spikes and is disjointed and lasts relatively long(good at reverse edgeguarding, nair is really good at dragging opponents, fair is really strong), and all specials being useful. Better recovery with tether and long upb. He typically plays more defensively (although he can play both very well), but he can't "spam as much", many of his moves has tipper so u have to space and his burst options are kinda meh (pivot filt > datk all the time and dash grab is kinda bad). Although technically his moves are safer on shield, but ness can "spam more" making them harder to punish. He doesn't have as many true combos, mostly mixups are harder techs like dair loops, nair loops, djcz loops, dtilt loops. In general, it's harder to close stocks with Lucas. Lucas's oos isn't as good with frame 10 nair, frame 12 fair, frame 1-8 invincible usmash that comes out on frame 28 (tank through spammers), while ness's nair is frame 8 and has a better hitbox and sets up for tech chases. While i don't think there is one that is exclusively better, as both has there strong points and it comes down to a matter of playstyle. (Although low-key, i think ness is better despite being a lucas player).

Lucas's crouch Pose looks like he's about to dash. In Mother 3, when you press the Dash button, it looks like the crouch he does in smash bros ultimate

For pk Fire, ness does the Dodon Ray while Lucas does the kamehameha

"Lucas' PK Fire is a single burst" Combo Counter: "That's two hits, my dude."

9:51 "As for everything else, they're nothing special" Lucas has 3 kill throws. THREE

*Ness' Starstorm meteors are stronger and bigger than Lucas' but Lucas has faster and more numerous meteors aside from being easier to control. Also Ness' Starstorm always begins at the middle of the stage while Lucas' always starts above him. This creates an interesting effect when used at a high height... *Lucas has the better recovery since his PK Thunder isn't as gimpable as Ness and PK Thunder 2 sends him nearly twice as much distance as Ness'. *Lucas' PK fire has actual kill potential especially offstage while Ness' can't kill at all except in mid-air. (without followups) *Lucas is not floatier than Ness *Lucas has faster base speed than Ness but Ness has a tad bit better acceleration. *Lucas' voice isn't as annoying as Ness' (imo). Edit: some corrections due to mistakes on my part (anything beyond this point are additional ones that I forgot) *Ness' PK Thunder moves faster than Lucas' *Ness has a stronger reflector (fsmash).

One psi user is a spammer of fire the other is a spammer of ice

Whenever i hear Lucas say "PK FIRE" it makes me wanna write a song about it...

“For PK Thunder, when measuring the distance, Lucas seems to go a little bit further” What do you mean “a bit further” he traveled like double ness’s distance

2:33 I love how lucas just absorbs the stick 😂🤣

Nobody: Lucas absolutely boding Ness: 10:36

Fun fact(s): Ness' PSI attacks (Nuteral Air/Dash attacks) are actually PSI Rockin', an exclusive PSI only obtainable for him. Same with Lucas, but with PK Love, shared with Claus.

3:05 "Lucas does three *E N E R G Y* blasts"

I was looking for a main but couldn't make up my mind, after several months of reflection and trying out I'm now a happy Lucas main 🥳

Thank you for showcasing how different these characters are to everyone who says they're the same.

7:32 Ness can also roll out of his magnet 9:53 Lucas has a really good up and forward throw, they’re both some of the best in the game

The most satisfying thing you can do online is using Ness and Lucas’ recoveries successfully.

“Lucas is just Ness without the drip” -my homie

Honestly Lucas' moves are so different from Ness at times that I have to wonder why they're even considered clones.

8:17 those screams lmao

They're completely different characters, but in general, Ness has a lower skill cap but a lower barrier of entry. Lucas as some wacky frame-perfect tech that makes him dummy good in a variety of situations

9:52 "as for the other throws, they're nothing else" dude, both lucas's up'throw and f'throw are kill throws.

My favorite series on your channel by far! There are more instances like this so keep it up until every clone is covered!

For up tilt, Ness does in fact have a sweet spot. The sour spot data is the old up tilt data from brawl. if you hit the sour spot you hear the generic punch sound but if you get the sweet spot a magic sound is played instead Lucas's magnet activates sooner. Ness can also roll after using magnet. His magnet hit box is magic based while lucas's is electric. Ness's magnetic repulsion also does not scale while Lucas' magnetic attraction increases with percent while airborne Ness has one very strong kill throw while Lucas has 3 weaker ones

something i really enjoy from a design soundpoint is that Ness’ generic PSI attacks (maybe it’s PK Rockin’?) are round, while Lucas’ generic PSI attacks (maybe it’s PK Love?) are hexagonal

Also you are one of my favorite channels. You just so good at that

should've mentioned the other throws they have. lucas' forward, back, and up all kill

What's between difference Ness and Lucas? EVERY MOVE

Ness: Hey Lucas how is your PK Fire? Lucas: Don’t even think about it *Ness’s Pk Fire is multiple hit and Lucas is double hit* Ness: You are only a doubl- Lucas: *I SAID DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT*

Lucas PK Fire looks like hes doing a Kamehameha.

When you were analyzing their up b's, what do you mean "a little bit of more distance than Ness" when describing Lucas'? His goes WAY further. I just though I should point that out

lucas can shift his momentum with zair using a tech called djcz (double jump cancel zair), and he can also use it to combo u across the stage. Ness's magnet hitbox has set knockback

simple, one has a nightmare life and one has a sad life

"Ness's back throw is pretty good. " UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE CENTURY

Ness has a 2x power multiplier on his bat reflection while Lucas only has a 1.5x power multiplier.

I love both of them,mainly because of recovering with the recover,it's just so satisfying

It's simple One has eyebrows and the other doesn't have eyebrows

PK Thunder (Lucas) has more angles when recovering and Lucas can recover from almost anywhere. It’s crazy how keep I can go below stage and still make ledge.

2:28 you forgot that both can reflect projectiles with F-Smash. When they reflect projectiles, the damage increases, although Ness makes the projectile stronger than Lucas does.

Alex.EXE: Their dash attacks Captions: tHeIr *-* AtTaCkS

I like lucas personally. Also another difference is using Pk fire in the air. Ness' will go diagonally downward, while lucas' stays horizontal

I’m not sure about Ness, but Lucas’ forward smash also reflects projectiles, but you gotta hit it at the right time. Really fun to use, and I love the little clubbing sound it makes when he hits someone with the stick lol

Me and my late brother Mained ness and Lucas and the differences between them for us was our strongest advantage.We we’re so in sync it was nuts.

Ness: hey Lucas, wanna hear a joke? Lucas: ok, what is it? Ness: YOUR MOM HAHAHAHA Lucas: dude that meme is so dead Ness: like your mom :) EDIT: Part 2 Lucas: well at least I’ve seen my dad Ness: well at least I can appreciate my sibling!

"Now let's talk about their smash attacks" *Starts Playing Smashing Song of Praise* You Mother-

Ness was a character I used to never play back in N64 and Melee days but he is now my main. Oh how the turntables

There’s a lot of really cool movement tech you can do, I know specifically with Ness you can do some double jump cancels with magnet or PK Fire to change trajectory, and Magnet is also good to stall for a second to mess up someone’s timing. You can also bounce yourself off the side of the stage with a PK Thunder 2 to do another PK Thunder as a recovery mixup

I think you should've mentioned that they have the longest traveling airdodges in the game

I play Ness more, but I've always have. I still play Lucas a lot though. One thing is I believe they gutted Lucas' down throw in this game. It sucks that in a game where they buffed all of the other characters burrowing moves, Lucas was the only one who got his severely nerfed.

It's funny to look at Lucas while he's doing Pk Fire and think he's about to do a Kamehameha :v

I love the thumbnail of this video!

Ness’s PK fire slopes downward when fired from the ground, and I don’t know quite how to phrase it, but the trajectory of ness and lucas feels different depending on the angle you hit them with pk thunder. I haven’t played either of the mother series characters much, but it might just be the speed at which pk thunder flies which confuses me when i play ness or lucas.

Well first of all, Ness has a bat Lucas has a very powerful stick

I rewatched this video 9 times now and i can’t stop i don’t know why LMAO

I think you understated just how much farther Lucas's recovery goes. Lucas's PK Thunder rocket goes almost twice as far, while he also has the option to recover using his tether (the rope snake), which has good range. Also this is a bit more advanced so I'm not surprised you have not talked about it, however Lucas has a character specific tech with his Zair called Double Jump Cancelled Zair (DJCZ). This can be used for combos and confirms and makes his combo game quite a bit better than Ness's. Overall good video which went over the basics.

Bro can't believe you didn't talk about Lucas having 3 kill throws.

5:15 at around say 30 on ridley lucas can combo 4 up airs into each other for 50 percent. You really underrated this move

"This isn't the type of move you'd want to spam." *My casual ass shuffles away*

It's so cool that Nintendo made these characters pretty different. They could've easily gone the route of so many other characters and just made them close to identical, with only a couple of differences, but instead we got two fairly distinct characters despite Lucas essentially having the same body as Ness. I do think that they could be a _bit_ more unique though. Mother 3 has a PSI ability exclusive to it - PK Ground. It would've been nice for Lucas to take advantage of it, most likely as a final smash seeing as it is pretty expensive and powerful in Mother 3. Now if only it had a more satisfying name... Even "PK Earthquake" would be better. Furthermore, the defining gameplay role of both Ness and Lucas in their respective games (as well as Ninten in his) is support. They can't actually use the offensive abilities that are PK Fire, PK Thunder, and PK Freeze. Their spell list mostly consists of healing, shielding, buffing, countering, and status-inducing spells. They have so many different ones that it's a pity none of them are represented. Either Lucas or Ness could have PSI Magnet replaced with something like Shield (a shield that you can move with?), Counter, Paralysis, Hypnosis, OffenseUp, DefenseUp, or LifeUp. Also shouldn't Lucas' PK Thunder be yellow? The visual effect for PK Thunder is yellow in Mother 3.

I did not know that up and down mechanic with Lucas's final smash.

These two have little in common. They are completely different characters unlike Marth and Roy.

Do villager and Isabelle next! By the good video. They're always pretty nice to watch :)

good job about What's the Difference between Characters with Ness and Lucas from Super Smash Bros Ultimate 2018

I've been playing Lucas more than Ness lately and I've discovered that sourspot combos are very useful

I laugh at those who think Ness and Lucas are the exact same. (Mostly my friends though)

Haven't played ultimate for a few months, and just picked up Lucas. Holy shit is this character fun.

Finally, a difference video between Ness and Lucas!

You mained Ness in Melee? God rest your soul...

Simple Ness has a coward dog Lucas has a dog THAT TRAVELS TO SAVE THE WORLD.

As lucas, if you have magnet and a progectile attack you behind, you can rotate magnet just pushing the control stick in the direction and absorbing the progectile

Omg i just realized that the background during lucas' pk starstorm is the battle background during the masked man fight

Sorry for pointing out this tiny detail, but Lucas's final smash i think has more attacks than ness, but does less damage and travels faster.

Lucas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>other super smash bros ultimate characters

Yay it’s here

Ness is doing PK fire and Lucas is doing PK burn

It’s kinda simple aerials are different, Thunder for Ness doesn't hit multiple times, Fire for Lucas knows you back and pushes Lucas if used in air (Little) Moves are different and B-Moves. Edit: Oh yeah sorry about Smash attacks and Tilt my bad.

Lucas has my favorite spike which is his back air

When I got brawl when I was 8, I didn’t know all the cool stuff, I really just liked Lucas because of the cool flashes, but now, I love Lucas even more because he is a high skill high reward character

Ness' can also dodge roll out of magnet when it grabs the projectile as well and both can jump out of magnet at the same time. Good for when they try to bait you into magnet then attack right after. Grab it, dodge roll at them because most likely they were going for a grab or dash attack then hit them from behind.

I've become a dead meme for the smash bros and undertale fandom, and Lucas has become a dead meme for the Mother 3 fandom. Any questions?

The difference is that Ness has a Mom.

WHY DOES THIS GUY HAVE ONLY 60k SUBS he deserves more

One thing to note about both forward smashes. They act as reflectors

Starstorm funfact: Ness always comes out the center of the map while lucas's is based above him

I just noticed that Lucas has eyebrows and ness doesn’t

Nice video!... but Lucas's voice in 5:44 xd

Lucas has three kill throws at varying percents. Backthrow killing earliest, followed by upthrow and then forward throw. Also good to mention that if Ness' thunder is hit offstage he'll die but Lucas can still recover.

maybe forgot to say that both fsmash reflect proyectiles

Ness has a family. Lucas does not.

This Is a Great Video, Btw do Pit and Dark Pit. PLS I want to see the difference between them

lucas's landing up air is a good combo tool

Lucas's nair can combo into a lot of his moves

Lucas get longer by pk fire in the air

Huh! Definitely thought these two were more similar than they actually are, interesting!

I found the sour spot of Lucas's fair to be useful. At low percent towards the ground, it can combo into neutral jab