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Don't forget, it didnt matter what Alicent thought, Otto and the small council ALWAYS planned to install Aegon. I feel like people put too much emphasis on Alicents role

"I am claiming Harrenhal" "Understandable, have a great day ✌"

The fact is, Alicent doesn't really have much power anymore. It's out of her hands.

This war began as soon as Alicent gave birth to a son. Alicent misunderstanding what Viserys said had no impact because Otto and the green council were already prepared to steal the throne.

daemon did not know how to deal with such a peaceful situation 😅

It was Erryk who survived. Him saying "forgive me Your Grace" is because he's about to take his life because he can't live with the fact that he ended his twin brother's life with his own hands. They were born together, they shall die together.

Everybody forget that Otto would’ve killed Rhaenyra and usurped the throne anyway. Alicent’s idiotic misunderstanding very likely saved Rhaenyra’s life. I’m no fan of hers, but this entire situation could’ve very well been much worse. This shit was going down no matter what.

It's never too late???what did you expect her to do ??tell Aegon that it was all a misunderstanding 😂...after his son had been killed😂😂

The fact of the matter is that it is WAY too late. Cole is on the march. Daemon is gathering an army. Aemond is ready for war. Aegon lusts for revenge. Jacaerys looks like he wants some for Lucerys. The Brackens and the Blackwoods have already started fighting. There is no peace now. Rhaenyra’s council is restless as they should be. The time to act is now. Now’s not the time for peace. There was a time but that time was lost the moment Vhagar ate Lucerys.

Other people have said this, but Otto was already planning to put Aegon on the throne even before Alicent came on board. So the misunderstanding was not the difference maker at the end, it was just a nice little bonus for Otto to go forward without any resistance from Alicent

Game of Thrones universe 101: STOP NAMING KIDS AEGON! 💀

For those who are shitstorming Fabien Frankel on social media: go and look up some interviews he did for the show, especially when paired together with Matt Smith. That guy is humble, nice and so funny, just the sweetest guy you could imagine - nothing like his character. So please leave him alone.

You guys seem to forget that Otto and the rest of the council where going to put Agon on the throne no matter what Alicent thought, she has really done nothing but try to keep Rynera alive in the long run.

"You've heard the stories of Harrenhal, Your Grace. It was built in hubris by Harren the Black as a monument to his own greatness. Blood mixed into the mortar. It is said to be a cursed place. That it passes judgment on all who pass beneath its gates." Daemon wasn't just having a dream.

Everything isn't a result of Alicent's misunderstanding. It's a result of Otto & the council plotting to put Aegon on the throne. It was always too late. There was always going to be war. If Aegon surrenders, Rhaenyra may not kill him, but Daemon surely will, because he is a threat to her claim. If Rhaenyra surrenders, she will be killed for the same reason. There's no peaceful outcome.

Y’all are forgetting Otto and his council already planned to usurp the throne. Otto never believed viserys changed his mind, but alicent needed that to agree with putting aegon on the throne.

Alicent has a point ...IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE

It's so cool to see the 3 dragon eggs, that Daenerys will get 200 years later. That was a pretty darn cool Easter Egg.

why ? because its very powerfull him standing up showing it al and not showing that he cared(even though from the inside he is broken).... unlike the bj scene this nudity was tackfull, emotional and very powerfull. amazing acting by ewan mitchell

Aegon is my favorite character. Dude is too entertaining. The conquerers armor was dope too

You guys are misunderstanding the whole war. Let's say Alicent doesn't go into Viserys' room when he died, do you think Otto and the black council wouldn't have crowned Aegon? He definitely would and he already sent the treasury for safe keeping with the Lannisters.

"what a hell is this place" it's Harenhall, you watched History's and lore, it's the cursed castle, people see things in it and also it always burns

Rhaenyra's face in the end: "To war then." 🤌

Daemon is The King Consort and should be reffered to as your grace At the Velaryons wedding they introduced Laenor as "The future King consort"once Rhaenyra became queen That makes Daemon King Consort by default since Rhaenyra is queen Not calling him ur grace would be not ackownledging Rhaenyra as Queen.

I despise Cole. But hes the only one thats been in real battle sitting at that table. Also, theres nothing more to be done. Its too late to turn back now. War it tis!

Im not sure if you noticed but rhaena was sent away with 4 eggs, 3 of which are the eggs daenerys gets

it’s never to late to change the title 😆😆

that title is so cringe dear god feel shame

Honestly the title of this video made me not want to click on it.

Rhaenys seems to be living her own queen fantasy vicariously through Rhaenyra at the moment. She clearly never got over getting what she saw as her rightful inheritance taken from her by a bunch of men. So now she creates a fantasy around her, of herself as a wise, patient and retrained queen putting all those rash hotheaded men into place. But in reality of course, those male advisors she keeps shutting down and accusing of disloyalty make very valid points, war IS inevitable and it IS important to act now. They're not advising action because "men just want war", they're advising action because the war has already started and there is no time for dreaming about impossible peace. She keeps encouraging Rhaenyra to not do anything as their situation grows more precarious by the day, and then goes off to Corlys to complain that Rhaenyra's council is in disarray, even though the main reason it's in disarray is because Rhaenys is on a power trip and constantly shutting everyone down.

who thought the title was a good idea

28:30 The woman who says You Will Die Here is Alys Rivers, a sorceress who can see the future, an important character.

Title super cringe ngl 🌚

I totally don't get what the actual f Rhaenyra wanted Alicent to do. Like go tell your son he's not a king and he will apologise nicely? Go kill your own family? Go do what exactly? Ofc that stupidity wasn't in the book

I love the fact that if it wasn't for Alicent, Rhaenyra could even be dead already, because Otto and the Council wanted to go to Dragonstone to kill her and put Aegon on the throne, but Alicent didn't want to.

Trust me when I tell you Aegon IS as fearsome if not even MORE than any of them

Please think logically. Do you expect Alicent to go and announce "hey everyone! I could barely hear my husband on his deathbed. He said something about Aegon the Conqueror but I thought he meant his son" On top of that Otto already gad a plan laid out for when Vicerys passed. They were putting Aegon on that throne no matter what.

Alicent is not stupid. She knows she fucked up. But what are you expecting her to do ? She has no power. She's only the dowager queen, she has no real power. You really think she can just go to the Small Council and say "you guys are not going to believe me but I was wrong, we have to give the throne back to Rhaenyra" ? No one is going to listen. It's too late.

Nothing alicent can do

Alicent has no power to do anything, no power over Aegon or Aemond. If she went to Aegon asking for him to make piece with Rhaenyra he would have her thrown into a black cell. Rhaenyra and Rhaenys are both incredibly stupid and weak. Why are they both trying to find peace when only them and Alicent wants it? Daemon wants revenge for his brother as does Jace, Aegon wants vengeance for the death of his son and Aemond his nephew. To think peace is still an option when armies have amassed and battles already fought is incredibly naïve and if anything it shows how incompetent both Rhaenyra and Rhaenys are. Rhaenys is trying to act like this cool headed girlboss putting these hotheaded men in their place, when the men are the only people in the room making any sense and giving Rhaenyra good advice. Rhaenys advice is making Rhaenyra weaker.

Criston Cole is not riding to harrenhal yet? He's going to the great houses that support rhanyra in the Crownlands( the area around king's landing) to turn them to Aegon.

You can hate Criston all you want but he's battle tested, he has fought in wars while a lot of Rhaenyra's knights haven't. Having him as hand during a time of war actually gives Aegon an advantage considering Otto was being too passive.

Hahahaha I was wondering when this would drop ❤ it was Erryck, Rhaenyra's knight, who fell on his sword. He says 'your Grace, forgive me'. Arryck would NOT address her as Grace, he had sworn his pledge to HIS KING Aegon...

It may been mentioned, but the opening tapestry is sort of based on the Bayeux Tapestry, which tells the story of William the Conqueror’s conquest of England.

This is the worst shoe-horning of Hawk Tuah I've seen. It doesn't even make sense in the title.

Rhaenyra is becoming very much like her father Viserys now: weak, indecisive, refusing to take action or listen to her sensible advisors who DO understand what's going on (except Rhaenys obviously who is equally clueless), and deluding herself into thinking this still can all be fixed somehow. Young Rhaenyra in Daemon's dream was a powerful image for her state of mind: trying to sew the head of a decapitated boy back on, as if that could undo what happened to the boy and restore him to life again. She refuses to accept what happened and would rather engage in magical thinking so she can tell herself what's done can be undone, than deal with reality as it is.

She means it’s to late as in two sons are dead it’s to late to go back now they can’t just sit and talk it out now

idk what people and Rhaenyra expect from Alicent at this point. Ok, it has been a mistake, now what? She doesn't have power over council or control, and even if she did? What, she convices Aegon to abdicate? Ok, what about Aemond, he gotta be killed, right, because otherwise he won't stand for this? So she would allow for her son to be murdered? And also expect Aegon to live as abdicated king, while still married, with a possibility of male heirs? And other councillors to live as well? People do realize, that no matter how indecisive and passive Rhaenyra is, which she is, no matter how Rhaenys seems to hype this crap style of rule, there are still more people in power, including Daemon, who would just slaughter all the greens given Alicent somehow recognizes a mistake and somehow, in this pipedream fantasy sunshine and flowers world, Rhaenyra peacefully ascends the throne. It is too late, too many things happened, people died already. It was a mistake, yes, but right now there is "no mistake".

"Otto Hightower would've never allowed this. " Otto was the one who ordered Harold Westerling to kill Rhaenyra in season 1 episode 9 when the greens were plotting to take the throne lol.

You guys should really watch the making of each episode, they are after the credits and after the preview for next weeks episode. You'd get all of your questions answered.

Alicent LET RHAENYRA GO AWAY FROM KING'S LANDING ....ISN'T THAT ENOUGH EVIDENCE THAT SHE DOESN'T WANT BLOODSHED?!

Alicent can't control her sons. Simple as that.

Daemon was officialy called “The Rogue Prince” in his younger years I think, I don't know how related this is but it's interesting that in this episode he didn't want to be addressed as my prince anymore. So maybe it doesn't have to do with him wanting to be King but is just him trying to let go of the immaturity or the “rogue” reputation that he 's had throughtout the years

"surely that's fake" XD

Daemon isn’t wrong for demanding to be called 'Your Grace.' The consort of the ruler is also called Your Grace. Alicent and Cersei (pre becoming queen in her own right) were called Your Grace and they were both consorts of the ruler.

My personal theory is that Viserys had dreams. He was known to have dreams, he mentioned this in the first season. He knew all of this would happen. That it needed to happen for the song of ice and fire. That's why he named our slayqueen the heir. Thats why he brought Otto back. Thats why he ignored his sons. He knew what they would become. He intentionally opened pandora's box. The eggs that Rhaynera sent to Pentos are the one's gifted to Danny 150 years later.

Wtf with the title? What fo you want Alicent to do? Say "Aegon, it was a mistake, give back Rhaenyra the throne, your son died for no reason"? That's the consequences of shitty writing. The show keeps pushing the narrative that Aegon's only solid argument is Viserys's last wish which is not the case. Aegon doesn't need Viserys's order, he bases his claim on tradition and precedent that made Viserys king over Rhaenys 30 years ago. But the show doesn't want to address this for some reason and puts all the blame on Alicent's misunderstanding. Even Pudgey and Spartan now start hating her because the writers didn't bother to give her and the green real motivations and backups for putting Aegon on the throne. It makes them look just stubborn and delusional for no reason. I mean they did give her motivation in ep 5 when Otto gave her valid argument that her children would be in danger if Rhaenyra took the throne, and Alicent indeed had this belief for 16 years, but apparently she forgot about it the family dinner in ep 8 and now only Viserys's wish is her argument. if Alicent can't say anything better than "he changed his mind" to back up Aegon's claim,then why would the audience believe Aegon HAS anything but this illusion? I hate this show change so much because it undermines everything: world building, motivations and the message of the story Ignoring the political arguments of the Greens harms the story not only as an entertainment work, which initially provided audience with an interesting conflict in which both sides have strong claims, it also leads to simplifying the political side of the issue. It weakens the message of the story laid down by both the author of the book and the creator of the show in numerous interviews and podcasts- criticism of the monarchical system and especially vague , uncodified laws and contradictions it brings with it. A system in which there are no clear rules, which ultimately becomes an excellent basis for interpretations in favor of one or another political party, from which the conflict arises. The point was that both Aegon and Rhaenyra had strong claims because the monarchy lets several claimants have legal grounds for inheritance based on different arguments. Now there's nothing left from it because the show pushes an idea that Rhaenyra is not only perfect ruler but also the only one with legal claim. How can you criticize monarchy and simultaneously push the idea that only one side is legitimate and everything would be fine if Rhaenyra became queen?

i like you guys but that title has gotta go.

Its is to late... Alicent has no Otto anymore and Aegon is a ruthless idiot wanting for war, while spiders whisper in his ear...

I clearly need to rewatch this episode again since i don't remember any "Hawk Tuahing" from Alicent.

It’s always the people on Team black thinking they’re progressive and then putting such a misogynistic title.

WHAT IS HARRENHALL ? Harrenhall is the largest castle in Westeros, much larger than any other castle in Westeros. Winterfell, Storm's End, Dragonstone, the Red Keep, all these constructions are small compared to the most gigantic castle in Westeros, built by Harren the black who enslaved all the Riverlands to build his fortress as titanic as his ego. When Aegon the Conqueror landed, Harren the Black refused to surrender, and Balerion incinerated Harrenhall, the flames so powerful that the stone melted like a candle, dripping into incandescent Magma. Despite its ruined state, Harrenhall remains a strategic asset, as it lies in the center of Westeros, at the crossroads between the Westlands, the Vale of Arryn, the Riverlands and the Crownlands. Despite its ruined state, its walls are taller and thicker than anything built in Westeros, and the size of the gigantic castle means it can house an entire army. After these few military defeats against Rob Stark, Tywin occupied Harrenhall to prevent Rob from going down to Port Real. This is where Arya serves as his cupbearer. Then after Tywin was forced to leave the stronghold to come to the aid of King's Landing during Stannis's assault and the Battle of the Nera, Rob occupied the castle (that's where they found Qyburn) and told Roose Bolton. It is therefore always in this castle that Jaime saved Brienne from the bear. In any era, the army that holds Harrenhall is a bit like the central pawn in a game of tic-tac-toe, the one that allows you to block the opponent and control the movement of the armies. This castle is also in such a state of disrepair that it is half abandoned, the lord who occupies it only inhabiting the least damaged tower of all. The restoration of this castle is such that even a Lannister would not be rich enough to achieve it. In GOT, it is this castle that Lord Baelish receives as a reward in season 3. It is also in this castle that the great council of 101 is held which we see during the introduction of season 1 of House of the dragon where Viserys is named successor to Jaehaerys. The old king held this council in this castle because it was the only one large enough to house all the Lords of Westeros and their entire household. This castle was the stronghold of Lyonnel Strong, hand of the king of Viserys and father of Harwyn and Larys Strong. It was in this castle that the fire which killed the first 2 took place, making Larys the title owner of the castle, even if he prefers to stay in Harrenhall.

Alicent is also family oriented. She has always cared about her family. I would even say that Rheneyra is more throne focused because she's actually in the position to attain it and was named heir.

The one who told Daemon that he would die is Alys Rivers, she could allegedly see visions of the future, and to some a witch. Harrenhal is also said to be cursed and haunted.

The reason BTW his dad Viserys didn't have a master of whispers is because he didn't need one due to the over 50 years of long lasting peace between most of the great houses on the continent

15:06 Ha, thinking Daemon has morals. Maybe time for a S1 rewatch

Had Rhaenrya had spoken to Alicent even a week prior then there might have been a peaceful solution. Alicent doesn't have much power anymore. Otto was fired as hand, and Aegon is showing he can't be controlled or "guided" as Otto put it. I don't feel sorry for Alicent or Otto in the slightest. They never prepared Aegon to rule nor did they have any idea of what happens after Aegon was put on the throne. When you stir up shit eventually you are going to step in it, Otto and Alicent stirred it up and now they are stepping in it. I loved the "I fucked up" look on Alicent's face when Rhaenrya said that Viserys was talking about the conqueror and not Aegon II.

the surviving twin addressed rhaenyra as "your grace"-- a title used only to address a recognized ruler -- identifying him as erryk, her sworn defender.

33:31 - No, there are definitely times when it is too late, and this is one of them. Aegon's son has been killed so he's all set for War now and isn't going to back down, plus the rest of the Green council have already put their stake in things. They've committed treason against Rhaenyra and will be punished if the Green's don't win and she takes the Throne since she obviously can't let them off. There's simply no going back at this point, Alicent is right on that. Some people will talk down on Rhaenyra for not just doing what her gung ho council says to burn everything calling her weak, but she was right to at least try to find a peaceful resolution even if their ultimately was none. As Rhaenyra said, when Dragons go to war, everything burns, their not something to use lightly and a wise leader knows to use them sparingly and she was also right the Greens would also be mindful of how they use their dragons too. Also it has to be pointed out your vastly overestimating Alicents influence and what she can really do, like say she tries to tell the Greens it was a misunderstanding on her part, what would that actually do? Would they actually listen to her and drop everything no? Obviously not. Plus theirs the big factor that Otto and the other Green members were already plotting to put Aegon on the Throne as was made clear after Viserys death, whether Alicent supported or not, the coup to put Aegon on the Throne was going to happen and things would likely have still gone this way. Perhaps it might have been possible at an earlier point, but at this point in time, theirs no going back on the War.

Alicent's words of Viserys decision were irrelevent from beginning. All the claims that Aegon has - Otto spoke in the 10th episode of the first season.

It doesn't matter what Alicent knows or doesn't know. The war was always going to happen, with or without her. She's just an easy person to blame for a lot of the audience. It really isn't on her.

The Greens would have usurped the throne anyway. The ending scene was confirmation for Rhaenyra that Alicent and the Greens do not care what King Viserys wanted. This was the plan all along. She can come to terms now that she will have to fight for the throne. No more trying to make peace and come to an understanding.

Rhaenys is the biggest hypocrite in the show. She is advising Rhaenyra to still negotiate with Alicent for peace when she was the one who killed tons of smallfolk during Aegon's coronation.

Not the title 😢

It does make sense for people to call Daemon "your grace", I mean Cersei, Margaery, Alicent, Heleana, etc have all gotten that treatment while simply being the spouses of kings so it stands to reason the same applies in reverse for Daemon as the queen's spouse

Rhanerya now has confirmed that her father did not throw her over in favor of Aegon, by what Alicent told her. I think this has been why she was hesitant on going into all out war. She knows now Viserys did not “waiver” at the end. Alicent misunderstood his meaning not knowing anything about the Song of Ice and Fire. But, is of no importance now, the dogs of war have been unleashed even before Viserys died. The Green Council had been planning putting Aegon in the throne anyway. So Alicent saying, “it’s too late”, is all too true. It’s past too late.

It literally is too late, though...I mean, what do you want Alicent to do? Walk up to her son, the king, and go: "Whoopsie! Soooo, don't be mad. I kind of made a mistake. Could've happened to anyone, really..."

Daemon seems like to be an example of self-sabotaging. Correct me if I’m wrong, English is not my mother language, maybe I misunderstood the word.

I feel like a lot of people are giving Alicent a pass just because Otto and the council were always going to try to usurp the throne and Alicent has diminished power now that Otto is gone and Aegon is listening to people like Cole and Larys. What can she do? She can admit, even if only to Rhanerya, that she has made a horrible mistake. It may be too late to walk it back but she can at least express some culpability and regret. I think we’ve finally hit the point where no one is blameless and these are all bad people to one degree or another with maybe one or two exceptions.

Nahh that title is crazy 😭😭💀

It’s not hard to understand that the twin that said “Forgive me my queen” was the twin that chose Rhaynera. He killed himself because he killed his own brother and could not live with that. I FUCK WITH YOU GUYS, but that was SIMPLE to understand!!!

Rhaenys using Jaehaerys as a example of why Rhaenyra should have power is laughable since she herself did not get crown thanks to Jaehaerys and he would not choose Rhaenyra to be ruler for sure

Gwayne is the guy demon tripped hos horse and smashed his face into the ground at the tpurney in season one

Aegon: I’m a fearsome as any of them Book readers: I mean he does pull his weight when the time comes

So many reaction channels have used the Hauk Tueh sound for their HOTD reactions its crazy lol

It's more than too late...she's right~!

That title is outrageous.

A lot of people are saying we don't understand that Alicent had no say ultimately, that Otto and the small council had plotted to put Aegon on the throne no matter what, and Alicent has tried to keep Rhaenyra alive since. I do understand that; Rhaenys has made it known to Rhaenyra that the men will do what they want, that she is no more responsible for Jaehaerys' death than Alicent is for Lucerys' and hotter heads prevail basically. But I think what people, myself included, wanted to see was some acknowledgement from Alicent that she made a terrible mistake and some attempt to even TRY to use her influence for good. She might try in a later episode but to hear that revelation and just be like 'oh no, nevermind nothing can be done' is insane to me.

Whoever wrote the title for this video needs to stop 🤦🏽‍♀️ Doesn’t even make sense in the context of this episode

Interesting note, at the start where the Bracken guy said his sword is going to be good for killing Blackwoods, actually ended up being the thing that killed him. That was his sword that was sticking out of his neck T^T

i think not going after Christan Cole will be a big mistake. She should have unleashed the dragons and burned the whole forest down.

Still haven’t seen the video of hawk tuah I just know it’s a woman. But it strikes me as something for the masses like hive mind comedy

If you call Alicent your grace because she was married to the King then Daemon is a your grace because he is married to the Queen.

It was sir Eric because he called Rhaenera your grace, sir Arric wouldn’t have called her that because Aegon is his grace.

The cringe title to attract views 😬...

the first scene the 2 houses are the same ones that wanted Rynera's hand and one of them killed the other in season 1 if you remember

25:41 I don't think it's a matter of luck. Moving without being seen was his plan from the beginning, there were woods nearby because he moved through the woods

Notes re Harrenhall: Harrenhall is haunted (the bats that flew out en masse reflect the Lady who lived there who bathed in virgin blood to remain young) Harrenhall is known to JUDGE anyone who enters. Daemon sees a weirwood as he approaches Harrenhall. when he first enters, there are weirwood roots growing into the foot of the crumbling walls, and the woman in the Council Room is Alys Rivers who is the bastard child reportedlly of Lionel strong and a commoner (perhaps woods witch). Alys is the one who tells him he will die there.

the whole Erryk & Arryk fight scene in the last episode ... they actually tell you before Erryk killed himself If you remember Arryk was above him talking to him about him leaving him and choosing the other side He mentions from S1 e9 how Erryk left him etc so that actually confirms it .. i didn't actually pick this up till later after watching so many other reactions I think Arryk was over top of him and said something along the lines of " You left me Brother ....ETC..... "