I should be clear that I didn't get tired of this game because of how long I've been playing it, but because the end game uses a different style of puzzle from the rest of the game - open world/open ended puzzles. I personally get zero enjoyment from open ended puzzles, and that goes for any game, not just this game. Nothing wrong if you do enjoy them (you'll enjoy playing this game even more if you do), but I want to talk about my own preference when it comes to puzzles and how I still found a way to enjoy these last few levels. I prefer for a puzzle to have a clear beginning or a clear end (or both), where the challenge lies in using the large amount of information available to form a strategy. I find great joy in having confidence in the starting information, rather than having doubt, which directly impacts my intuition and ability to come up with interesting ideas. Some people may see the sowing of doubt as a positive because it's "real", but I heavily prefer games that are an escape from real life, rather than an emulation of it. These late game puzzles give you incomplete information, as you can begin from any of the 20 surrounding islands, and you can end by reaching the island from any row or column as long as it intersects with the cloud. The only choice you have for many of these puzzles is surveying the surrounding islands, forming a list of potential candidates for starting points, and going through the list one by one, meticulously trying every way you know to use that area as an access point. This is known as guessing and checking. Pretty much every single open ended puzzle requires guessing and checking, but sometimes they throw in fun and interesting tricks as a part 2 after the guess and check portion. A few of the "extra tricks" in this game have been transferring logs between islands, pushing a double log over a rock, and finding a way to topple a tree from an unsecured raft (as well as a couple others you guys haven't seen yet). These tricks are extremely fun to figure out when you're confident in your information, but for open ended puzzles, any brain power that goes towards strategy is instead thinking "what if the starting point is simply different". I've asked this plenty of times before, and I'd like to ask again: is there truly any way to improve at the guess and check portion of open ended puzzles? My current strategy is a mix of "if I'm met with any resistance, move on to the next item on the list" and "pick an item on the list and force complete confidence that it is the correct starting point, allowing yourself to come up with creative tricks you wouldn't consider otherwise". Asking chat for the starting point was an accelerated version of the second portion, as it was the only way I could enjoy the last few puzzles. While I respect the devs for making the levels they want to make, I personally would have enjoyed more information being available in the form of thinner clouds. Being able to see the rocks and the shape of the island would speed up the guess and check portion greatly. If doing so suddenly makes a puzzle too easy, I would consider that a failure in level design. The final level of the next episode features thin clouds, letting you see everything you need to know about the level, but many people still considered it to be extremely hard. I took no hints from chat on that one, and it ended up being my second favorite level in the whole game. On the other hand, there were several levels that had a solution of simply bridging across with a double log, however the clouds made it impossible to see the gap in the first place unless you stared at that spot for 30 seconds straight waiting for a glimpse of land. Anyways, I can handle an open ended level once in a while, but too many of them back to back made me crack and ask chat for help. I still had fun solving the levels after consulting chat, but apparently it isn't fun to watch. Maybe in the future, I will skip over open ended levels entirely. Thanks for reading. Thoughts?

Can we get some appreciation for his editor Ben

Open ended puzzles require a much different mindset to solve -- you have to be willing to bumble about, fail, completely make a fool of yourself as you experiment with things that have no hope of working. I think streaming this is a lot harder considering you feel pressured to solve the puzzles as quickly as you can. You mentioned multiple times that you didn't want to "waste time" which is a clear indicator that you feel this pressure to solve with people watching. I don't think open ended puzzles lend themselves particularly well to streaming but if you want to make it happen I think it requires a much more laid back approach and an openness to failure.

I think games like this could use a "you're done here" indicator. Like, give all of the islands a red, blue, or green filter over it in a special lens so you can see what islands are still involved in puzzles. That way, it is clear where you can still try to solve a puzzle.

“The first non-white snowman” The robo-snowman a couple rounds earlier: :(

Shout-out to Ben for literally re-watching all the previous streams to play an uno reverse card on Tyler

I appreciate the editor adding the comments you're responding to in the video, it's a really nice touch! I 100% feel your pinned comment, it's exactly how I feel about puzzle games as well. Nothing to apologize for or need to justify - puzzles can are a subjective experience! Have a wonderful day. :)

Reading the pinned comment once again makes me think that you'd really enjoy Portal 2 if you haven't played it already. Practically no open-ended puzzles at all (even more so than the original Portal), and you have endless fantastic workshop content at your disposal.

2:21 lol I’m pretty sure it’s holding a harp since it’s angelic

One half: "do what you want to do" The other half: "you expect me to READ more than TEN WHOLE WORDS!?"

What’s a pirate’s favorite letter of the alphabet? None. Historians have suggested most pirates would have been illiterate.

tbh when he started asking questions I enjoyed the series and the videos more

original title: Sometimes, all we need is a hug

Funny story for the puzzle around 16:00 , I actually completely forgot you could have a big log on top of a rock. It may have taken me 2-3 hours, but I managed to solve that puzzle in a completely unintended way involving the two islands to the left of the ones in the main puzzle. My motto for this puzzle basically became “when in doubt, add more logs” and when all was said and done my unintended solution was the most fun I had in the entire game. This game may be extremely polished, but there are still ways to break it.

Alternate name for the game: Friend making simulator

"Woah a bumblebee-snowman, the first non-white-snowman!" Silver robot-snowman: "Excuse me wtf"

Last time I was this early, Tyler was wide.

Tyler, Tyler, Tyler. It is always fine to ask for help when you need it the most, whether that's is a puzzle game or in real life. If you are asking for help, it means you are growing mentaly. It doesn't mean the level will be easier too, because we usually _see_ you do but rarely _actually_ do it. That means that by asking for help, you are passing the puzzle to the audience and see what _they_ think with _their_ knowledge (which is 99% of the time lesser than yours). And you wanna know the best part? I find that much more intresting that just you doing the puzzle! So don't _ever_ think that was a bad developpement. The community is there for this reason too: if you are unsure of your next move, maybe one advice from one random guy puts you closer to success...

3:43 Ah yes, angle snowman

The editing is great, it definitely adds to the series

I really love the editing in these videos, and in the beginning i did not really like this game, but after all the complicated stuff got introduced I saw the value of it, love it! Tho puzzle games I are not my thing to play, but love watching them, and you are so good at them

7:11 _Certified cool award_

I think that this game was the funnier to watch in your entire chanel, and I found joy even in this last levels where u asked chat. Hope you find a good way to develop better understanding of open endend puzzles and then enjoy them better! love your channel

Man the editing on this is really amazing

Tyler: Read the pinned comment The pinned comment: Is L O N G

I really dont mind the chat consulting. It's interesting seeing your thought process on how to find the start, the process of elimination and how solve the open ended puzzles. Also Ben's editing work is top notch and really makes the videos solid to me.

This guy is wholesome, and I do need a hug. Don't play just for us, play in the way that's most fun for you, you're a different kind of creator and we are all here for you.

Two thumbs up for the editor. This whole series was edited amazingly.

I don't mind watching you consult the chat just for the general solutions, I think that's fine, especially in an edited format like this. But if you find yourself not enjoying doing the levels even with hints, you shouldn't force yourself.

Thanks for the vids Tyler. You too Ben.

In the beginning there were footprint icons on the map showing islands that you could progress from, it wouldve been nice to have similar icons for islands that still had undiscovered solutions

They should make it so people can make their own levels

i'm so impressed by the usefulness and none-spoilery nature of the chat help.

I never post. On any youtube channel. I just wanted to say that this series has been one of the things I have enjoyed watching and looking forward to most on youtube. Ever. I'm glad you are finishing it 100 percent, and I think your method of asking chat for hints and starting points is great. Better than googling the answers beforehand and then pretending to discover them like I am sure other people have done..... Personally I like open ended puzzles, but I don't play much. Just watch :)

I absolutely love this series and I really hope you finish the game but its up to you

The french horn was honestly my first ever snowman

Ben should get a raise! Great editing.

I prefer to see someone not repeating the same task 20 times, in which asking chat helps avoid. To me, it's also more fun to see the person I'm watching having more fun, rather than being too focused on finding the start and end points by guessing. I'd be happy to continue watching open ended puzzles but the chat gives you the starting and ending points!

11:46 I can count the amount of the all islands in the game on two hands... using binary counting system

hey, my dude, if you don't like something don't feel obliged to do it you're a great content creator and your personality is what drives most of the enjoyment I get from watching you so when you have more fun I have more fun.

You would love The Talos Principle. It’s a great puzzle game with very few open ended puzzles.

Ben did a great work on the editing

I definitely understand how this game could get tiring to play, but real disappointed that more people dont like watching this game. It's so chill and wholesome

thank you for daily episodes i love you

Thank you Ben you do good editing

🎶All you need is hug... Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh🎶

That weird log in the water was a weird out of bounds prevention thing I bet

Not sure how well it would translate to twitch, but one of my favourite game series is Professor Layton- story driven puzzle solving game for the DS/3DS but I'm pretty sure they released one for the switch (I don't have a switch but I remember seeing ads for it). Puzzles in the Layton games either have their own story, or play into a much larger story- the games also all have side quests and minigames etc for when the main stories gets intense. In general, I don't think DS games always translate the best to twitch, but it would be super interesting to see it on the channel if the switch version would work. Regardless though, I'd recommend the games to just about anyone, they're a lot of fun & don't really get to the point where you're exhausted with them.

"The first non-white snowman" Silver robot snowman: Y tho

in this episode: *two* puzzles I couldn't solve because of rocks I didn't know you could walk on

Props to poozo btw, he really been the G in the streams. Good job mate

I haven’t paid attention to the streams, but have you finished the game / are going to upload the completion? Because I’ve loved this entire series and I’ve been getting excited to watch the ending through your series with 100% completion.

I like how the answers he gets are from the same group of people.

s Thank you for coming to my TedTalk!

5:13 the speed of that log

Man i love these videos

3:28 Look at the trees. They are like some illusion.

Personally I like watching you ask chat for help as it rarely (if ever) happens

I enjoy the content, and keep up the good streams and work! so Tyler, please dont skip open ended puzzles. I know you dont like to do them normally, but please, just this once, dont cut them out for this game and this game only!

My eyes were not in top condition , i just woke up, i literally read this as "sometimes all we need is a BUG" So i watched the video expecting a bug.

Tyler uploaded! time to rethink my sleep schedule

7 views 11 likes. It makes all of the sense

You should really look at the game Stephens sausage roll it’s really similar to this game in that it takes an object moving concept (two tile sausages) and does everything physically possible with those mechanics. It’s really really good

God, you know what, with what he said in the pinned comment and what i know about him, *he would absolutely love Outer Wilds and its a beautiful game i would love to watch him play* WHOS WITH ME!?

I think this game would really benefit from a hint system of some sort

Tyler that’s a lyre. You know... the instrument

3:44 Human: Angel 5 head Tyler: Angle

I need a hug, and I think aliensrock does too.

Keep doing what ur doing

Aight finally love this game

Reposting this out of the pin: I think the devs may have came to the same consensus as it seens almost all of the major open ended puzzles come after you would reasonably be able to beat the game. They feel like they are meant as the extra/ bonus levels for the player to do, even the non snowman puzzles. I agree the thin clouds should be an option for those who want it, or maybe a zoom and stare at the island for 3 seconds it thins a little to give an outline. Stare 10 seconds and it highlights islands needed to solve the island.

Editor Ben is the best

If you're looking for any more puzzle games that are definitely not open-ended, I can still recommend the Submachine series. A word of warning though, some of the later ones you will likely need to take notes.

Lol the interactions between twitch chat is reminding me with twitch plays videos

Wow, Im two for two with coming into these videos within a minute of them posting!

Appreciate ya Ben

Look at that snowman! He’s got that sissy stringy music thing.

PozzoLoaf is a mad man

What would happen if you pushed a double log onto a small log, but the small log is in the position that the end of the double log would end up? Because, if it's at the beginning of the double log, it just does the tumble thing, so what would happen if it was at the end of the double log?

Veramente un bel video, anche se lo posso vedere solo tre ore dopo visto che vivo in Italia... Translate that

dude this weird I've never seen a video with 5 views from someone who actually gets views

thank you for the title :)

Oooo boi love these vids

A puzzle-ish game you might like is hearthstone. Wouldn't be surprised if you played it on twitch before. Will point out there is a selection of puzzles specifically that are in hearthstone.

I hope you turn into a snowman at the end of the game.

I feel like u should ask twitch chat for a lot more help and just talk to them more. I mean, there are entire streams of just people talking to chat so you could do something like that and play a videogame at the same time. Eventually, even if you aren't completely tryharding the level, you'll reach a point where you can solve the level with help from chat. I'd really enjoy it if you 100% the game, you are so enjoyable to watch as a variety puzzle game youtuber and streamer so hopefully you keep playing. Thanks

I don't think I'd hug a yellow snowman tbh...

I totally understand where you're coming from. Personally, I don't mind open-ended puzzles that rely more on intuition rather than following what the developer intended. I think the problem, at least judging by these videos, is that the puzzles themselves are pretty linear, the game shouldn't punish you for not being on the "correct" island. and the game shouldn't expect you to figure it out. It's annoying to have to spend a long time on a puzzle only for it to be impossible, or even worse, being close to the correct solution but it's too hard to solve so you assume it's impossible. I think for the most part this game should allow you to go to any island from any island without having to rely on any glitches and exploits.

Petition for aliensrock to play Filament

You don't want to find the maze, but do want to solve it

Anyone else notice how he almost always solves stuff harder than it meant to be

20:52 there was the robo boi

you do you tyler. having an unclear goal and/or starting point in a puzzle game just makes it a grind imo. and there's no fun in that

Can we talk about how gorgeous his hair color is?

wait so is he done with the game? hes not going to finish even though he's so close?

I need hug

I just want to let you know that you hugged a yellow snowman

The solutions to 9:19 and 13:02 are a lot more simple than he makes it out to be.

I need a hug

3:30 omg i thought the game pulled a Minecraft tree on me