All About Inkjet Printers : Tanks, Subscriptions or Cartridges?

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All About Inkjet Printers : Tanks, Subscriptions or Cartridges?

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Buy printers on Amazon - lon.tv/5do24 (affiliate link) - This week we take a look at the many choices consumers now have to lower the cost of ownership of ink jet printers. In this video we'll compare tanks to cartridges and also look at the HP Instant Ink subscription program. See all of this week's mentioned videos : lon.tv/ww316 and subscribe! lon.tv/s
VIDEO INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
00:46 - Inkjet Printer Overview
01:13 - Ink Jet vs. Laser Printers
04:14 - Ink Tank Printers
07:30 - Epson SuperTank / EcoTank
08:23 - Brother Inkvestment
09:41 - Canon Megatank
11:14 - HP Instant Ink
15:29 - Suggestions for third party inks?
16:05 - Supporter Thank Yous
17:25 - Week in Review
19:18 - Coming Up This Week
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@GameplayandTalk 4 жыл бұрын

This was interesting. I picked up a cheap HP inkjet printer last year to print shipping labels. It worked really well for the few weeks I was using it, but then I was done mailing stuff and so it sat unused. Fast-forward six to eight months, and the damn thing wouldn't print anything whatsoever. I found out the hard way that if you let these things sit, the ink cartridges basically become useless, even after performing cleaning/maintenance. That set me back $60 or so to get replacement carts. I wish I had this knowledge sooner, because had I known I would have paid more and gotten a laser printer. I've made sure since to fire up the inkjet once every now and then and print a test page to keep things functioning, in preparation for those few times a year where I actually need to print something.

@stephenwabaxter 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly the right action to use the inkjet printer from time to time. There are Dymo and Brother printers available to just print shipping labels. They use thermal technology giving high reliability.

@WatsitTooyah Жыл бұрын

My initial opinion of HP's subscription system was negative but after seeing the pricing sheet it doesn't seem that bad especially with the free tier.

@jwmurrayjr 4 жыл бұрын

Very good and helpful Lon. I use third-party cartridges by EZ-INK in my Canon MG5520 ink jet printer and they work fine. I usually buy the 3-pack (3 sets) for about $15 from Amazon.

@gingerquartimon Жыл бұрын

I bought a more entry level Epson Eco tank printer. I was impressed with the cheaper ink advertising. Day one, I wasn’t impressed at how slow it was. Day two of using it, the thing wouldn’t even print!! It kept cancelling my request. My dad had just bought a Brother printer, and I was highly impressed at it’s efficiency! I replaced my EcoTank and bought a smaller Brother printer than my dad’s and DON’T regret it. I’ll take more expensive ink for an efficient printer that responds quickly every time.

@lucychillery-watson7861 Жыл бұрын

I live this printer, it came with 6 months free ink delivery which literally makes it pay for itself. So easy to use and the prints are crisp and clear

@bgregg55 3 жыл бұрын

We switched to a black-only laser many years ago & never looked back. I used to refill the toner myself(easy to do) but now just buy refilled toner cartridges. Screw HP.

@TheDMSCorp 4 жыл бұрын

Bought a secondhand laser printer 3 years ago that still has the cartridge I bought for it at the time. If the rare need arises I need to print in color I just go to Staples

@DOSBoxMom 3 жыл бұрын

I just ordered Brother's brand-new Walmart-exclusive MFC-J1215W at $89, and it should be arriving today. I also checked the price of replacement "Inkvestment" tank cartridges for this printer on the Brother website, and they were running at about $98 for a set of BK/C/Y/M cartridges. For a year's worth of ink, that doesn't sound too bad. The MFC-J1215W also lacks some features present on previous models in Brother's Inkvestment line, but those are features are ones I don't need anyway. There aren't many reviews of this printer on the Walmart website yet, so I will certainly submit my own review.

@MrKaido93 2 жыл бұрын

Good pointers. Over the years I found the HP old two cartridge (Multi Color and Black) Use lesser ink then the 3 color cartridges. The Brother Inkvestment series of printers look good however they still use an Ink cartridge system albeit larger with a higher yield that is relatively a more costly upkeep then compared to the (You Fill It Up) Canon and Epson models. It looks like these Tank Printers are the future.

@AABB-kh9eb 4 жыл бұрын

You'd think watching someone talk about printers for 20+ minutes would be like watching paint dry, but it wasn't. Great subject to cover on the wrap up!

@LonSeidman 4 жыл бұрын

Or was it like ink drying ? ;)

@geraldcates7785 3 жыл бұрын

It is more like watching INK dry! I do agree, though. It was a very good primer on purchasing printers.

@davidperry4013 3 жыл бұрын

I just got an Ecotank. Now I can do school work without getting ripped off with those overpriced ink cartridges.

@JeanLucCaptain 2 жыл бұрын

hahahaha ya you might want to check out how much grief those things give before you start to party. OH and they are literally built to fail unless used CONSTANTLY.

@SuperFredAZ 3 жыл бұрын

I bought an Samsung laser printer with a b&w cartridge. It works well and I use for normal printing. The laser printer costs about $50 and the cartridge is about $40, the cartridge lasts me 1 1/2 years. When I want color prints, I print online at Walgreen's for .$.25 each. I print a few photos a year.

@doughart2987 4 жыл бұрын

I have an HP ink cart printer and get my replacements on eBay. These are GENUINE and pass the HP validation. Never any problems and fast shipping. The costs are less than half of what I would pay at COSTCO.

@Dave--FkTheDeepstate 4 жыл бұрын

Did I miss Lon's great "full disclosure" (usually within the first minute of the video) ? --------------- So happy when I upgraded to a laser printer ! Like Lon, who rarely printed, my problem with inkjet printers was that the ink cartridges would often dry up before I was able to use it much. Getting a laser printer made it soooo much less expensive and infinitely more hassle free (than trying to refill those ink cartridges, etc) !!

@Hanuman120 4 жыл бұрын

He only places those on product reviews, which this video is not.

@Dave--FkTheDeepstate 4 жыл бұрын

@@Hanuman120 Lon is basically reviewing printers in this video. He has an Amazon affiliate link in the description for them. Lon's full disclosure makes him quite unique when it comes to KZfaq product reviews. He has earned my trust because of this. Almost every other reviewer seems to accentuate the positives and minimize the negatives... 😠👎😢

@1110111011101110 2 жыл бұрын

I think ink subscription will incentivize the manufacturer (HP) to keep the drivers up to date for a longer period of time. The large tank refillable printers will de-incentivize that.

@daveschmarder-1950 4 жыл бұрын

I've had a Brother laser printer for about 5 years now. I only print about 50 pages a year. I had a Brother previously, but this one had nicer features. I gave my old one to a small business. He used it so much that the drum needed replacement. I think he bought a new printer instead.

@redran03 4 жыл бұрын

Been using an inexpensive Brother B&W laser for years. Replace every two or three years (or three or four toner cartridges) on Black Friday for $50. Almost all of our printing is B&W. I have an Epson Artisan 1430 for photos and those rare instances when we need a document in color.

@robertfletcher 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks much for the video. It was very helpful. We've had both good and bad luck with third-party ink. Refilling bottles have never worked at all for us, but we have found a third-party store that sells cartridges for much lower than brand name. They don't last as long, but long enough that we do save money that way.

@dpt17 4 жыл бұрын

I agree with Lon re: laser printers. In fact he was the one that put the idea to switch in my head (thanks for that). My family prints a document or two every couple of days. Our new HP laser printer cost $100 more than equivalent HP ink jet. However, now I am no longer replacing color ink cartridges (for an arm and a leg) when I don't even print in color! Laser printer is super fast too.

@traviscunningham_1 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Lon. I know you’ve mentioned before that many of your printer videos have a higher and delayed view count, I find that so interesting. Thinking about buying a printer this month since working from home continues. This video will help me make that decision! Thank you!

@LonSeidman 4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help! I expect this video will have similar long legs - it'll be low for the first few weeks and then it'll take off :)

@abelstavrow 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm here 1 year & 1 month in so id have to agree with you Lon😂👍 Have a good day mate, & thanks for the printer buying advice :)

@computechct 4 жыл бұрын

HP does have a tank printer, it's called "HP Smart Tank"

@nickf3242 4 жыл бұрын

As a loyal viewer and one who has been entertained on your printer live streams, I love my Epson XP-820. It does everything I need including printing on CDs which is important to me. But just like you, I rarely print on it and the ink dries up. I've looked into getting a "continuous ink" 3rd party upgrade kit. It turns your existing ink hogging printer into a tank printer. I'm on the fence but wondering if you knew about them and would consider doing a review of one to revive your dried up printer. I've seen them on Ebay if you search for your printer model and contentious ink". I trust your reviews more than any other.

@LonSeidman 4 жыл бұрын

I've seen those but have been reluctant for a whole host of reasons - not the least of which are my children who knock things over :). The big risks I see with third party inks is that they need to very closely match the composition of the first party product or you could have plumbing issues.

@stephenwabaxter 4 жыл бұрын

I agree with Lon that third party continuous ink is unsupported by the manufacturer. That said for someone doing high volume and technical skills I'm sure it could be a good solution.

@SALUTE-INT-S Жыл бұрын

@@LonSeidman haha didn't think of that. It's not coming out is it, so you'd be up for the cost of replacing a whole room of carpet... not a good day

@billgraney 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the detailed and helpful review of the ink alternatives. I have had very good luck with third party ink cartridges and toners. I think there are good and not-so-good third party providers. I've purchased cartridges for both Canon and Epson printers from LD products (no affiliation!) who have been selling these for many years. The cost is about one third of buying from the printer's manufacturer. I also get HP toner from them. You can find cheaper products on Amazon from lesser known merchants, but I've found these less dependable if cheaper. The key is to find an established merchant with many bona-fide reviews and a money-back guarantee, not someone who simply buys cartridges in bulk from China and resells them.

@carter3391 4 жыл бұрын

HP also has a Tank Printer 'HP Smart Tank Plus 651, comes with 2 year supply of ink and ink refills cost about $65.00. I have one and like it a lot.

@LonSeidman 4 жыл бұрын

Wow I hadn't heard of that one ! Will check it out.

@kian8382 4 жыл бұрын

Been a happy Epson Ecotank L805 (6 colour) user for photo printing for two years, it's mostly just a WIFI upgrade from the L800 and it's probably only available in Asia, out of the box the colour profiles just don't seem right and it requires paper specifically designed to work with its ink but once you make your own ICC, it's outputting very nice colours for its price, the b/w is weaker though, and it clogs so I have to print a few times a month. Two years after I'm still only half way through its original ink.

@SALUTE-INT-S Жыл бұрын

Sorry, assume this is a dumb question, but was does ICC stand for? Cheers

@kian8382 Жыл бұрын

@@SALUTE-INT-S it's the file extension for colour correction profiles. ICC stands for INTERNATIONAL COLOR CONSORTIUM. You can google how to make icc profiles for your devices, or hire someone to do it as it's not the easiest thing and requires specific hardware/software. Tim from Hardware Unboxed has a dedicated video to this topic.

@SALUTE-INT-S 11 ай бұрын

@@kian8382 Thanks mate!

@mattsummers8807 2 жыл бұрын

I have switched to laser and always been happy with them I have a brother laser printer that I had for a good 5 to 6 years and still kind of works but I always have a hp color laser printer works great as well expect for the wireless part not sure why

@reggaemahn152 4 жыл бұрын

Great video again Lon. As a long time viewer, I do miss the old style of longer wrap-up videos but this is the next best thing.

@jalenorion2622 3 жыл бұрын

instablaster...

@OviaiMusic 3 жыл бұрын

What if i need printer for cd printing and there is no cheap laser printer? only expensive ones which i dont need

@claudegarmon2958 3 жыл бұрын

Hi. If you haven't found a printer that prints directly to cd/dvd printable discs yet, I have found that epson is still in the game with new printers. They have the epson expression 6100 and they have the expression 7100. I got the expression 7100. it has a feeding scan than scans double sided pages automatically and it prints faster and better in everyday use than a canon and an hp envy that i saw in comparisons. Since it was the only one of the two that printed directly to printable cd's, it was my obvious choice; pricepoint $199. I'm still waiting for it arrive actually, but I had to do a lot of leg work to decide what to buy when I had the same question as yours, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents worth.

@stephenwabaxter 4 жыл бұрын

In the UK the main Inkjet printer choices are HP and Epson. Availability of these Canon and Brother models is limited. The global pandemic has significantly affected price and availability (as with many IT and non-IT items). Its worth exploring all distribution channels including direct from the manufacturer who is less likely to increase retail prices and can offer good support packages at modest cost. Lon did a review of an HP Pagewide printer a few years ago and that still offers the best all round price, performance and quality package on the market. I should add that I'm an ex Quality Engineer with one of the largest Japanese printer manufacturers (not mentioned in this piece). I have evaluated a range of third party ink cartridges and the company in the UK I can recommend is Refresh cartridges based in SW England. Consider your printer warranty, the type of printing you are doing and how much printing to decide on using OEM or non-OEM cartridges. Rule of thumb is for HP stick with OEM only where as for Epson and Canon non-OEM are certainly an option. Until three years ago Dell presented the best value proposition in the UK Laser printer market but as they have now largely withdrawn this product line, choices include HP, Brother and Lexmark. HP has always been the market leader but Lexmark also has a strong product line. Beware of the significant cost difference between a monochrome and colour laser printer. Finally keep your printer(s) powered up as they are programmed to run cleaning cycles once in a while to ensure they are ready to print in high quality when required. Looking forward to your questions or comments.

@lukekelly9031 2 жыл бұрын

I've got an HP Deskjet 1010 and cannot keep it plugged in due to standby coil whine noise. We have our printer in our bedroom, as that's where the office space is located. I'm torn between a laser printer and an ink tank printer, as my current 1010 is absolutely horrid in its long term cost demands.

@stephenwabaxter 2 жыл бұрын

@@lukekelly9031 Things are changing in this market and the Ink tank products are now pretty mature so starting with Epson EcoTank ET-2710 Print/Scan/Copy Wi-Fi, Cartridge Free Ink Tank Printer, Black there is a range of models. We are also seeing refillable Laser toner cartridges from at least one OEM on the market but it's unproven technology. Regards, Stephen

@mitchellquinn 2 жыл бұрын

Any opinion / thoughts on the heinous "waste ink pad full" scam that many manufacturers seem to be running? I'm keen to buy an inkjet tank printer, something that'll last me for a good few years, but I really have no idea what to purchase as I don't want to get caught out by this issue.

@Craigdna Жыл бұрын

Excellent work and effort. Thank you for sharing.

@jamesbrother9597 2 жыл бұрын

love the antiques in the back shelf

@tylerdragonwizard3281 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the really informative video. Videos like this are great Lon

@NDViper69 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely great and thorough review! Thank you so much. Keep them coming.

@pfunkPT 4 жыл бұрын

I have a brother MFC-J4620DW and always used the compatible cartridges that cost 1/5 the price of the brother originals. And since I don't print that often, mostly use it as a scanner, often have to clean the print heads and now I've the Ink Absorber Pad Full problem. I've seen some videos that helped get the counter to zero and continue printing. Don't know if it was the compatible cartridges that caused this problem. I think I'll ride it out like this till it's end of life and the next one will probably be a laser printer...

@miss.phyllisreneefoster9547 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video an your input on printers An the best, an pricing, fordability etc thank you So much and this video you be safe and well.

@ThaexakaMavro Жыл бұрын

hp does have tank printer now .

@rvictor2402 Жыл бұрын

Jack, if I am a low user of printed papers and I am not fussy about color will a b/w laser be fine?

@douglaskbrown1154 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Lon. I have been looking for all this info for some time.

@PistolPete1980 3 жыл бұрын

Dude you need to schedule a full color print job once a week to your inkjet to keep the ink from drying.

@trey8072 Жыл бұрын

If the manufacturers would just sell replacement print heads at a reasonable price, that would be a solution to the inkjet clog problem. Most ppl do not print consistently enough to keep the inkjet head from not clogging.

@SinaFarhat 4 жыл бұрын

Great video Lon! Thanks for the info!

@DulceN 3 жыл бұрын

I’m looking for an affordable printer for very light duty B&W and color quality printing (for miniatures). What would you recommend? No outrageosly priced replacement cartridges either, please.

@markissboi3583 Жыл бұрын

Turn old printer/dvd parts in 3d printers Lev's up Hows that plastic chess set or warriors figurines made out of reycled bottles check mate!

@julievilleneuve5845 3 жыл бұрын

Love this...really helped me make my decision,

@ThisisnotTwitter Жыл бұрын

Absolute middle finger to the HP instant ink subscription model that stops you using your machine as soon as you stop the subscription.

@denodan 2 жыл бұрын

Trouble is they dry out, it's only cheap if your printing often. I am going for a colour laser as there is nothing to dry out, will keep going even after a year or more of non use

@LonSeidman 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I always recommend laser printers for people that don't print all that often.

@lovedfriend2020 4 жыл бұрын

Lon, you didn't talk about the XL link like from HP. Also, you live in CT and I think maybe that is maybe why you get clogs. I don't print that much so my HP link lasts months.

@ej_tech 4 жыл бұрын

Devil's advocate here regarding HP's Instant Ink. For $3 a month, or $36 a year, I can print up to 50 color pages a month--more than what we need. It's still cheaper than paying $70 for a set of cartridges that we would inevitably clog due to not enough usage. The HP 64 cartridge our printer uses also have the heads integrated so if it clogs, we just swap out the entire cartridge. Is it better than a laser printer? Hell no! I'll take a B&W laser any day. But we needed a color printer and thanks to "Human Malware" all the libraries are closed so I can't utilize their printing services. Anyway after the warranty period ends, I'll explore using 3rd party cartridges. The printer is a snitch and voids the warranty when a 3rd party cartridge is installed.

@enhompe2 3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see a similar video about laser and color laser cartridges and supplies, OEM vs generic. Certainly an important issue without a source of reliable guidance. Thank you

@bbgarnettTotallyNotABot 4 жыл бұрын

Keep up the great work

@cfischer691 4 жыл бұрын

Great topic, Lon!

@MM-fe9mz Жыл бұрын

Buying a new cheap printer doesn't work, manufacturers caught on years ago and now only include "initialization" cartridges that literally print 3 pages.

@Dan_Sightsandsounds 4 жыл бұрын

Hp has ink subscription drm... i guess i am never buying that one...

@SpeedbirdNine9 3 жыл бұрын

You can still buy ink cartridges in the regular way.

@wzk921109 4 жыл бұрын

I use color laser jet, I print color word documents everyday.

@gr8bkset-524 4 жыл бұрын

After bad experiences with EPSON printers, I swore I would never give them my money again. I bought a Canon color lazer printer 7 years ago and have recharged it once with toner powder and chips from eBay for $40. I had to buy a solder iron to melt a hole for the refill, but it has worked great so far. If I ever need to print photos I would likely print them at Costco. Ron should include Costco printing in the comparison.

@stephenwabaxter 4 жыл бұрын

All printer have moving parts so there is always the possibility of failure.

@foxglove9 4 жыл бұрын

I'm still running a Canon inkjet IP5000 from 2005 that never clogs up and still prints excellent photos. However, Mac OS dropped support for it years ago, so the usability of the printer is very limited, and also finding ink is getting more difficult. I definitely need to get a new photo printer, but I don't know if I'll get lucky with one of these new models like I did with that old Canon.

@axonis2306 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not. The IP 5000 was of the last line of printers without anti - features. After that Canon joined HP in ripping customers.

@foxglove9 3 жыл бұрын

@@axonis2306 that's too bad. The Canon finally died on me this year after 15 years of use.

@axonis2306 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry about that. Still 15 years is well above the manufacturer's life expectancy for such a model.

@Music-ve9nt 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

@zyborg47 4 жыл бұрын

I got myself a brother colour LED printer, one of the better things I done, but yes the quality for photos is not as good.

@JeanLucCaptain 2 жыл бұрын

DO NOT GET A TANK PRINTER, especially an EPSON or CANON for casual use, You will be wasting ink a lot of ink, require non-stop maintenance and THEY HAVE A BUILT-IN SELF-DESTRUCT FUNCTION! The Ink Pad gets clogged up without frequent use and is designed TO NOT BE REPLACEABLE. I've had an Epson 2720 for 4 months and I HATE IT, requires constant attention and now I know it has a self-destruct feature. I can't even figure out how to replace the damned ink! Edit: The HP Subscription seems to be the ONLY option that is actually honest about how much you are paying and WHAT you are paying for. I know that 10c per page is the same i uesd to pay to print B&W and the Hamilton Public Library.

@denodan 2 жыл бұрын

Trouble is they have waste unknown sponges, and when these fill up, shuts to printer down and becomes uses the waste sponge has a counter and when it reaches this and the sponge gets to soaked with ink the printer will no longer work. Cannon are bad and do a head clean everytime you use them and wastes a lot of ink compared to Epson. A laser printer has a waste toner tray and these are replaceable and can either recycle if your up to it, or buy a new tray, put it in and goes. unlike ecotank printers have a limited lifespan due to the sponge, so may still end up more costly than a colour laser in the long run. A cheaper option maybe to convert your cartridge printer to an ecotank system. The waste sponge method of the ecotank printers are a ripoff and limited lifespan. That sponge counter is at its full count then printer no longer will work.

@candrlesgrant8129 2 жыл бұрын

Tank vs. Subscription 3:58

@buhidef 4 жыл бұрын

Find a cheap (but, well-reviewed) cartridge-based inkjet printer, make sure there's (reasonably-priced) 3rd party ink cartridges available on Amazon & eBay, then go for it. I've had success with 3rd party ink and $aved money. Once in a while, you may get crappy quality cartridges, but if you buy from reputable 3rd party sellers with good feedback, you should be fine.

@nickf3242 4 жыл бұрын

Great tip. I don't think enough people do that kind of research on any product they are planning on purchasing and believe the major companies know that and love it. Social media has definitely made consumers more impulsive [by data harvesting and bombarding them with targeted ads]. Just me getting older and more cynical lol. I just commented about a 3rd party "continuous ink" upgrade and then read your comment.

@nickf3242 4 жыл бұрын

That's why I believe Lon is providing a wonderful service with his honest and fair reviews for real consumers. The info is there for the people who put in the time to research but they have to compete from the other shill reviewers. Lon.TV and Freakin' Reviews are currently my first channels I go to for product info/answers.

@buhidef 4 жыл бұрын

As an example, I've been using the HP OfficeJet 4650 for over 2 years and a quality 3rd party combo cartridge set (1 color, 1 B&W) can be had for about $16-17 on eBay.

@stephenwabaxter 4 жыл бұрын

I go direct to third party companies like Refresh from England and stay away from those on Amazon and Ebay. The reason is that Refresh give me great support where are these large platforms offer no support.

@briizcustoms9543 2 жыл бұрын

@@buhidef Can you please tell me where you get your third party cartridges?

@ByGraceThroughFaith777 2 жыл бұрын

Even if I got an HP printer for free, I pass it along

@TechTimeWithEric 4 жыл бұрын

What would prevent me from buying the Brother and putting the Epson of Canon ink in it?

@dougnykel7693 3 жыл бұрын

Different ink system, brother large cartridge for each color, Eason you fill a tank from a bottle, which is impossible on the brother.

@candronikos 3 жыл бұрын

I was the 20,000th view on this video. Should I get a prize or something?

@ronch550 2 жыл бұрын

Those ink cartridges have caused nothing but financial burden. Subscriptions? I wonder what marketing guy thought of that. What's ink anyway that you'd even need a subscription?? Ink tanks are the way to go. And it proves that all the things they've been saying for decades to justify the cost of ink cartridges are BS.

@netcrashYT 4 жыл бұрын

Just buy laser...

@JeskidoYT 4 жыл бұрын

hold up, hp instant ink just sounds printing with online DRM.

@gurutimes2 2 жыл бұрын

number one rule...... these company's never sell anything at a loss......never !

@LonSeidman 2 жыл бұрын

The House always wins!

@bijan148 4 жыл бұрын

Lon Tv!

@geraldcates7785 3 жыл бұрын

I have NEVER had a bad experience using 3rd party inks, and the ink supplier I now use (L D Products) actually saved me a huge amount of time when HP shut down several services on the printer when they changed the software in an update to detect third party inks. I find this reprehensible! After all, I paid for the printer, therefore I own it. And the warrantee is long gone. It is my choice whether or not I choose to use 3rd party inks in a printer I own. HP is not subsidizing the printer in any way! I will probably never purchase another HP printer. What is next? Are they going to shut off my Internet on my HP laptop because I purchased it from a 3rd party vendor?? By the way, L D Products was the entity which told me that rolling back the software would take me back to being able to use all functions on the printer again! AND, I have recently read that they are one of the best suppliers of 3rd party inkjet inks, while saving me a whole lot of money.