+Krzysztof Zamorski the 64g is awesome!

+Trajan Augustus that's awesome!

Coming very soon!

+Thomas Christoph Thank you Thomas. Although the existance of a 64CR seems to be debated by various people.

+RetroGameCouch Looks like you had a pretty real machine to me! I would believe it, as building "cost reduced versions" was always an objective for Commodore to maximize profits. No reason why they wouldn't have further built the 64CR that you showed. The 64c was after all a "cost reduced" version as well when they made the short board for it. The 64c creation was in fact two fold. One was to bring the styling up to date to help build sales, and cost reduction was the second implementation in that. That they went one step further I could completely see that!

Thanks. I will do a new video soon, as I have acquired a lot of new models.

RetroGameCouch that's great...👍🏻

Die zijn het mooiste!

Thanks. I have since this video acquired a Silver Label, A Drean and a C64 DTV. I'll make a new video soon.

+The Fun Bros thanks :-)

I can confirm this.

There are also short vs tall versions of the VIC-20 breadbin cases in the original 2-prong / 9vAC powered variant, as well as a later version of a compact VIC-20 variant that uses the round C64 power adapter and is notably smaller than any C64 variant I've seen. They all use the same basic (interchangeable) keyboard with different keycap variations, most often the mustard vs dark gray F-keys.

I have acquired a bunch of new ones. I should really do a follow up video!

+RetroGameCouch yes you should!

Yes you should. I made a video of my C64 collection if you'd like to take a look on my channel. I love wierd and interesting C64 variants...

They first got rid of old stock.

Ik moet snel weer een video-update doen, want ik heb ondertussen een hoop mooie nieuwe modellen verworven :)

RetroGameCouch Gaaaaaaf!!!

It was a predecessor to 64, but the first to use the VIC-II and the SID.

@@wisteela: Maybe so, but that doesn't address what I'm talking about.

+Ruud Terzijde thank you

+Patrick von Massow For me the 6581 has the sound I remember as a kid. So that is my favorite. It's probably also the reason why I prefer the breadbin.

That would be amazing! Send me an email at info@retrogamecouch.com

You no longer have it?

+Phil Rodgers let me join your club.

Of course! All are welcome. To my shame I got an Atari ST in the early 90s and the C64 was forgotten. I often think about it ...

Ha! Funny you should say that, because I've done just that. I picked up an absolute bargain on ebay a week or so ago. £26+pp! It was a bit of a gamble and in need of a good clean, but it works well. I've got 5 litres of hydrogen peroxide and a UV bulb arriving tomorrow, so it's going to get *clean*. I've got so many plans for this little beauty, I can't wait!

pp = Postage and Packaging which was an extra £10, so £36 all in. And, yeah, that was damn cheap. This was a 'no returns' sale, but it had been switched on and briefly tested. When I was looking there were untested or not working machines going for £50-£70, so I don't know how I managed to get mine so cheap. The SID chip is worth more than £26! Around about the same time as I was buying mine, there was a "new, old stock" C64B that sold for £304. I also managed to pick up a 1541 MK1 for £40, but I haven't tested it yet as it was sold without cables. I'm waiting for my new cable to arrive from China. You should check out JanBeta's channel. He's got a video about getting a MK11 working. I think GadgetUK164 and The8BitGuy probably do, too. Good luck!

+R Moocher2 I see muliple C64s being offered for sale every single day where I live. I end up buying too much of them because of that.

+bwack That totally sounds like Commodore. They'd first get rid of their old stock before inserting the new shorter mainboard. Thanks for that additional info! And breaking the seal really isn't a big deal for me personally. I just like having one with the seal in tact for informational purposes. And yeah, the 64G wins the beauty prize, for me at least.

Could have been several stepping stones in the cost reduction process. I totally respect people who want to preserve things as they were. The C64G is now taken a part. I have cleaned all the keys and keyboard chassis.. Case looks nice, has some black markings (possibly from wrapped cables). Not sure how they come off. Do you know if the C64G has a cream white color iwth a hint of yellow ? Just wondering if I'm going to retrobright it or let it be as is because it does like nice..

+bwack It really shouldn't contain any shade of yellow, that sounds like UV-damage. Mine are pretty white as is, and I don't think retrobrighting mine would gain me much color.

Might be. Might be smoke also. Now I tried the pencil eraser on it.What a difference. I had washed it with mild dishwasher soap. Not the dish washing machine soap, because I've seen a guy ruin his case that way.. I've bought hair blonde product. Will try tonight :)

I think it's lighter weight

@@wisteela: That's different from meaning that it feels like it's made of plastic.

Yes, you are absolutely right.

Believe it or not, I bought an ALDI C64 at ALDI, which was NO ALDI C64, because it had the large board BUT a 8580 with very bad sound from the beginning. I put in my 6581 from my broken C64 and it worked fine. Sounds stupid? Well, this were the last days of Commodore where they sold out the shit off their floors.

+AxemaN Racing sounds like Commodore for sure.

Also I believe the redesigned shorter motherboard was only used in PAL regions. NTSC C64s always used the larger motherboard.

@@axemanracing6222 That can be mostly because of the voltage differences: since the 6581 needs +5 and +12v (what is probably delivered by your large board), the 8580 only needs +5 and +9v.

What do you mean? A c64 in a Vic-20 coloured case? I have never seen one of those ever.

RetroGameCouch No, not the colour, just the size. I can post some pictures on Google+ :-)

+Arrayzable yes please

All links you supplied give a 404-error :(

RetroGameCouch OK. I'll try to post tonight via my own G+.I will sent a link. :-)

I have found an Australian and a Silver label too. And an SX-64. Even a GS. I should really do an update video. :)

Oh wow. Nice collection indeed :-) SX is my dream some day will come true :-D

Probably, yeah. Or it was switched when it got a repair or something.

You still have it?

I sold it in about 1992. However, I bought another one about 10 years ago since I realised what a fool I was. Yet how could I've known that my C64 was cool when my new computer had a 20 meg hard drive? All this space must have clouded my judgement. I repent.

My story is almost identical

Koester dat ding! Ik heb mijn oude C64 ooit weggedaan, samen met mijn zelfgeprogrammeerde eerste BASIC programma's. Nog steeds spijt van.

+RetroGameCouch ik moet toch echt eens testen of de bandjes het nog doen!, misschien morgen eens proberen? 😎

+1walkgirl let me know

Haha ja, V&D had die dingen staan inderdaad. Klein BASIC programma'tje intikken: eerst een counter van een minuut of zo, daarna sound on/sound off (ben de pokes even vergeten) en dat laten herhalen. Volumeknop helemaal open draaien, programma runnen, en dan rustig weglopen. Tegen de tijd dat je bij de uitgang was kreeg het personeel een hartverzakking van het kabaal dat dan losbarstte. Dus bij dezen dan mijn enigszins late excuses aan het personeel van de computerafdeling van de V&D te Leiden 😉

Epic! Hahahaha

+Thomas smith so cool!!!

lol it was nothing special honestly. I think the cases cost like 30 dollars in the 80s. I don't even know why I bought one? I think the same people were selling Jiffy dos and that case came with a couple of extra holes in it for a reset button and jiffy dos?. I'll look for it today, has anyone seen pictures of the box? I know where that is

+Thomas smith keep me posted!

Me too, I still have mine as well. I had the breadbin C64 with the orange function keys. It was 1988 when I bought the aftermarket case one of my mates had bought one before and I thought it looked so cool because it looked a bit more modern like the new C64Cs that were on sale at the time. As far as I can remember the plastic cases were injection moulded in South Australia and distributed around the country.

+Quessir yes, true. I have a Pet noe. Not an educator64 though

Nice! If I had room (and the money) to spare I'd fill a room with old computers of all kinds. The PET's are such sweet machines, and the CBM-II successors with their lovely curves.

I love my PET. The shape is fantastic. The rounder ones are amazing as well. Here is a video I did on my PET. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/er6Ae8Z5m7qpZ40.html

Will give it a watch, thanks!

Hahahaha, greets from the edge of the IJselmeer (we live very closeby)

RetroGameCouch yes we do! Hey you should do a game room tour video sometime!

+Ian Noah I always figured nobody would care.

I have one in my collection now. It's cool. 👌🏼

@@RetroGameCouch Actaully when I received it, I was 12 y/o and I hated it, because I felt it spoiled it..It should have said Commodore 64 and now it said, Drean Commodore 64..Grrrrr

What kind of mods?

RetroGameCouch At the very least an internal sd2iec, dual SID (switchable 6581 / 8580 setup), and possibly an internal power supply (I've got some ideas for that).

The newer C64's have the shorter board leaving you with more room for stuff like an internal psu.

Can you show me a picture of that C64 Compact? Not sure if I have that model :)

+Darkson Dap very nice!

They all turn brown when exposed to too much UV light. :)

Thank you! I'll do a follow on this video soon with all the input other like you have given. And I have acquired a number of new models in my collection, like a Silver Label and a Drean!

I have acquired both long after filming this video. :)

+ChickenBG 7 I do cover that model in the video

The computer wasn't supposed to launch onto the market that year, commodore didn't gave drean the permission, long story short, commodore find out the fraud, and break the contract with drean

Very interesting, thank you!!!

+David Wilson I can do that for sure!

You can modify a 64 by connecting/disconnecting the J2 bridge inside the VIC chips metal shielding, if you add a flip switch you can switch between PAL and NTSC. I looked it up and it may or may not be present on your motherboard revision, i was able to do it on a breadbox version of the C64, newer machines may require a swap of the chip itself. The jumper itself can be seen in the top right of this picture, in the top right where it says NTSC OPEN and PAL SHORT: www.vesalia.de/pic/csg8701ntsc.jpg As for the display, you can probably find an original monitor more easily than a PAL TV since most analogue TVs in Europe are being replaced by digital ones and are heading to electronics scrapyards.

I am pretty sure it's the exact same keyboard.

True, I have that too!

Yeah, I have one, and it's pretty interesting! I haven't hacked it yet, though. One of these years, maybe.... :-)

On my to do list as well, yeah

The G is probably my favorite too. How did you acquire the red replacement case? Sounds awesome.

RetroGameCouch The red casing was from a Kickstarter using the original moulds of the C64C. They had different color choices.

I've read about these. Sadly I haven't been able to get one.

+Mayhemers I love how you submit me with new info, and in return you got something from the video as well. Great addition, thank you! Didn't know about that Japanese breadbin.

Send me a message!

I have since the video acquired one. Thanks for this info. Any more info on this?

I don't have any known facts on the C64c engraved, I believe they were some of the last in production in China. Strangely though the cost saving would have required a new mould for the case housing lid manufacture, unless they used maybe a shim in the location of the logo. As for the replacement cases, I managed to find an advert for one of the UK companies at the time (Evesham Micros) that sold them. www.zzap64.co.uk/cgi-bin/displaypage.pl?issue=021&page=122&thumbstart=113&magazine=zzap They were produced in South Australia by Micro Accessories of S.A. Adelaide Injection Moulders Peter Barker Tooling. I am guessing then exported to a number of countries in Europe, Evesham Micros being distributors here in the UK. Image of it here. www.richardlagendijk.nl/foto/cip/computer_c64_australian_01.jpg

+figurehead1971 i have one of those units in my collection. Thanks for all the info. Will use that in my next c64 video.

Great cases the Australian replacements. I have a few Also the rare engraved 'C' model.

+freddy astairs awesome!

Yes, that thing looks stunning!!

+Ray Pope i will!

Zeker, de silver label is prachtig. Ik heb inmiddels (bijna) alle modellen.

RetroGameCouch Vind de Fat breadbin variant meer een Commodore 64, dan de Slimline variant. Moet toegeven de C64G heeft een mooiere uiterlijk qua kleur en pas meer in deze tijd. Dan de grijze of de bruin-grijs achtige breadbin. Leuk, dat je bijna je Commodore 64 verzameling compleet hebt.

Na 4 jaar komt deze week de C64 Aldi naar me toe. Ben benieuwd hoe, dat mij bevalt. Sinds dit jaar koop ik me suf van ZX Spectrum 48K’s en de Toastrack’s. Zelfs ZX Spectrum clone moederborden koop ik volop. Van de Vampire V4 Standalone word het bij mij minder leuk. Steeds, die Beta updates en kleine stapjes vooruit. Mij zwarte AMIGA 500 met de zwarte keycaps is eindelijk klaar. En moet mij AMIGA 1200 nog afronden voordat ik verder gaat met de Commodore 128. Af en toe koop ik C64 clone moederborden zoals de C64 Reloaded MK/MK2, Ultimate 64 Elite en pas de unieke EVO64. En heb behoorlijk veel uitbreidingen ervoor.

Je hebt een flinke verzameling inmiddels!

Ja, het word een grote verzameling vooral met de originele dozen erbij.

That is the CR version of the C64C I show.

Do you mean the Compucase?

RetroGameCouch It was the SX "portable" with a second drive mounted in the empty compartment.

+Weird Dude because a couch allows friends and family to join the fun!

+Finn Renard no, that is the C64 Aldi. Different machine

Ok, thanks.

Actually made for the German market, hence the G at the end to mark C64 German

Yes, the Educator 64. I don't have that.

+Ray Pope yeah, I sold my original breadbin too at some point. Including my first programming stuff. :(

any history on a commodore 64 gold going to auction that you know of?

yup a computer that came with a manual that taught you how to program it! unheard of these days!

i remember a simple loop program and my neighbour knocking on my door asking how i did that :)

I know of one that occasionally pops up on ebay that is located in Australia, although many doubt it's the real thing. It looks pretty genuine.

I didn't really play around with it back in the day. My first computer was a C64. I always considered the Vic20 the weaker predecessor (without hardware sprites etc), but again, I never really used it.

+unebonnevie hmm yeah

Awesome!

+dandapanda no, The Netherlands :)

+RRW not to me, though it can run in c64 mode

yes type go 64

+AltheOrphan a plus4 is not a 64. Do you still have it?

You mean the Educator 64? Yes.

You are correct. I need to make a new video as I have almost all models now.

A 128 has a 64 mode, but is not a model of the c64. And CBM just means commodore business machines. There is no CBM64

@@RetroGameCouch a cbm is a 64 basic! But always a 64. And the 128 was more a 64 than 128, the customers used the the 128 in 64 mode almost all the time, here we consider those machine all 64 in different version, but exist more version of classic 64, you have not all of it! (Sorry for my english)

The Netherlands!

RetroGameCouch Aii ik ook ik heb alle nintendo consoles. Eindelijk een retro kanaal met een nederlander !!!

Baska Biceps Hee top! Keep in touch!

+tinial007 The C128 had a C64 Mode, which is not the same as being an actual C64. "In C64 Mode, the Commodore 128 operates exactly like a Commodore 64 computer, allowing you to take full advantage of the wide range of available C64 software. You also have full compatibility with all C64 peripherals."

+RetroGameCouch I know what you mean and why you didnt enclude it but you could technically say its a c64 as well :)