Most likely he has a kerenzekov a different type of cyber ware that provides the same effect slightly worse but is always active making reaction time and speed better same with the guy at 3:30 except his must have much worse quality

@@bionicalloy1619 A lot of people had reaction boosters in 2020. Kerenzikov boosters were always on and gave you +1 or +2 Initiative. Sandevistan were activated in bursts of 5 rounds, but gives you +3. By comparison, solos had a special skill that increased their Initiative. Running into street thrash solos with +5 initiative from that skill was nothing strange. If you whacked the players with a eurosolo with +10 Initiative from nothing but skill, experience and instinct they would wreck us chrome-thrash with only a sandevistan.

@@bionicalloy1619 No, he even says "A rudimentary implant." If he was running boostware he'd just say "Something along that line."

Probably because his is better installed

@@ilikeceral3 There was rules for surgery requirements for cybernetics, from popping in to the equialent of a complicated piercing at a tattoo shop to a clinic with weeks of recovery. Each piece of tech in the game was assumed to come in several different models. On top of that, street tech is often repurpoused from several different bits or customized. How much Humanity Cost an implant gave you was random. A Mr. Studd would give you two six-sided dice of HC, where every ten accumulated HC loses you one Empathy. This was the same regardless of surgery. Your physical recovery does not relate to how alienated from the human condition you get. In an optional rule you could splurge for therapy to better adapt to your new, dehumanized body. The orgs who sponsor a full-body cyborg often add therapy if they can, so their enormous investment won't just turn to an uncontrollable berserker.

Yup given time and actual experience he might have stood a chance. Smashers basically just human tank so his sandevistan, more of a focus on heavy bore weapons, experience and he might've had a real chance.

It doesn't make it very clear in the show but he is only 18 at the end of the series. He was still very much a kid risking his life facing down an (at minimum) roughly 50 year old legend of night city. Edited to add: if you read this and decide to try correcting me on Smashers age- firstly, you're wrong. He was a street punk in the 00s. He is *not* more than 80 at *max* and I've had this discussion at least 3 times in this comment chain alone.

@@Shadow-gc6le Nah, David stood no chance no matter what. The only people that can defeat adam are Morgan Blackhand and V, David is like a cyberpunk 2077 npc fighting against V for comparison

@@alexanderwidmar2850 he wouldn’t be a random npc, he was the leader of a famous group that every youth in night city wanted to join at one point. He’s a night city legend, but not on the level of V or smasher. Definitely not a random fodder.

@@draxelo6192 legend? sure fodder to V and adam? Also sure

They really could have used more enemies with it

Adam said it himself, to a Full Borg like him, the Sandivistan is just a "Rudimentary Implant", even one as Military Grade as David's.

my v disagree

Worst is that he considers it baby shit

@@realhumanbean7915 because it is in the world of high level mercs it's one of the most basic implants you have

He did, he was on the top like Adam Smasher was. Your death defines you

Well, he was void in that regard since the beginning of the story. He didn't have dreams of his own, but he actually never tried to find one. I think that the reason for that is that he always thought of himself as a nobody without possibilities... even when he said repeatedly that he was special because of the lack of Sandevistan's secondary effects, he never used those powers for his own direct benefit but for the benefit of someone else: he was a pleaser. And at the end, I think that is confirmed when Adam Smasher tells him that he could be a good Contruct, but David responded with "I don't care". Also, he was not a hero, he never cared about others, but just for the people that apparently cared about him, and even that said, he urged them to put their lives in danger... like he did with Lucy that retired from being a cyberpunk but he wanted to do heists with her. Why would he want to do that if his goal was to protect her? That's because he was very selfish. I think that David was a very interesting character but the reason for that is because he was just a tool for the story to progress. He was a chosen one for the plot's sake. He lived, progressed and died the same way as many other secondary characters. As if the moral of the story is that it doesn't matter how special you feel you are, life will be harsh and unfair for everyone without exception in Night City.

He could have easily gotten to the top he just reached above his station before he was ready Adam Smasher is the gatekeeper that separates the upper level mercs from the peasants

@@cristianestrada708 I agree with many of your points, but not all, for one, the way David is depicted is really resembling of the sort of society boys in the third world like south America (David's Origin) are raised. Precisely a mother who works hard for them to study, imparting in them wills that aren't days, leading them to live a life that's not their own, for the majority of their life, it is just 'cope'. Your placed in this shitty environment and you have to find a way to cope... David did everything he could with what he was presented, there was an enhancement, he could have sold it cheap but choose to implant it, choose to follow Lucy, was betrayed and choose to be of use to them and become a criminal, choose to use a gun despite his mother's teachings to survive, he did whatever he could to cope... until that became his reality. The scene with Lucy in which he says that a ticket to the moon is cheaper than he expected was a clear indication that he could have retired, but the city had already engulfed him and corrupted him, he didn't want to leave the city with Lucy (her desire), he wanted her to live that reality with him, in the end, they were just opposite sides, she wanted to leave (take him to the moon with her), he wanted to stay (be an edgerunner with her, he even said verbally that he preferred her over Kiwi). But none of the two wanted it without the other... Lucy knew she couldn't convince him to leave, so she protected him from the dark; David also stopped inviting her to participate in their crimes until he was asked to do so... they were in a stalemate of not moving forward but David was getting worse and worse and Lucy knew this but couldn't do anything, when she finally thought it was enough David was long gone and wouldn't stop using the implants. The whole shit is too tragic, in the end, the one to blame is the city, if CDPR ever makes an expansion in which you can nuke the whole damn place, I'll buy the console, game and expansion just to do that.

​@@cristianestrada708 We could even go as far as to place most of us in similar shoes, for us that live in cities, why not go to the country side? leave a peaceful life away from the fast pace and hassle of the capitals, the consumism, the drugs, always having the best phone and feeling bad if you don't, having the best shoes, looking the best physically... it is the same, not at the same scale, but the same, the city's corruption has already engulfed most and we just won't leave.

How so? The way he used it was always the same, he just got more competent with it with time.

He would've lived longer if he stuck with it only

He should have just got mantis blades or something not turn into a complete machine Maybe he would have lived longer

@@The_House_Always_Wins not maybe he would've bc as soon as he started to go fully mech he start to move towards becoming a cyberpsycho

@@TheUnknown-cz2hp I mean, he obviously had to get some upgrades for his body, since it wouldn't last long if he would continue using sandy

It sounds cool…

Not really when you have to implant that shit in your spine

Also kerenzikov for when your sandevistan is on cooldown 😂

@@RyukoKiryuin510 that too

I dont get it

I KNEW THAT REMINDED ME SOMETHING!

Za wardooooo

David lost because he wore yellow and Adam wore black.

The first hint that the Sandevistan is more common than believed amongst higher ups is when we first see the bearded cyber psycho at the beginning use one. If anything, after the opening, we were WAITING to see how many people were in use of it just because of how cool it looked.

🤓

@@Blast2224 The guy in the opening IS where David's Sandevistan comes from. That's one of the plot points.

@@smugcu3073 my point is that when he’s using it, one of the soldiers says he’s sporting “military grade ice” and the older soldier says “so? So are we.” My point isn’t that the cyber psycho is central to David’s Sandevistan. I’m saying the fact the soldiers weren’t intimated by the Sandevistan must mean it’s more common amongst the rich and elite. It’s like when a young adult discovers “whiskey culture” but to a weed smoker, it’s just another booze. Beneath them, possibly even.

@@Blast2224 Not really the rich, but the Military. The Cyberpsycho at the start was Ex-Military hence his Sandevistan. But then again, Maine was trying to buy that one via David's Mom. So very hard to get hold off and very expensive for Common People

It's not always "being at the top makes you respected by others", but instead, "being at the bottom always mean you'll be respected at the top".....something like that, maybe

his killer did not respect him at all, he even tells him that as he does it

@@riv2052 TF do you mean. He says he actually enjoyed it. Then tells him he would make a good construct. You don't say that to someone you have 0 respect for.

@@Dijitz23 I was just about to comment that to him but you did it for me😂

At the end of the opening you can see him being shot in the head lol

It's a tale of a man with a simple, and understandable dream. To live up to everyone's expectations of him, and to give the ones he loves a chance to fulfill their dreams. The fact that he's called "special" is no coincidence, the thing about wanting to live up to people's expectations for you is something that's highly relatable, and super common in people with unique talents, or "special" people. You feel that you're special and that you NEED to live up to everyone's expectations no matter the cost. It's something that I have personal experience with. And yeah, while I love Rebecca and support the meme of "Rebecca is the best character in all of Edgerunners". At the end of the day, David's story and motivations hit too close to home for him NOT to be my favorite character in the show.

Yup. It's the tragedy of Icarus time and time again. Had there ever been a myth more universally applicable to human nature? I don't think so.

@@Hi-Im-Gib David's up there but unironicly Becca is my favorite character and deserved happiness david

he did technically die sane

David took himself having a high tolerance as a sign he was just outright immune- that he was special. And while in the end he very well may have been special, being special doesn't mean you can just ignore all the warning signs and expect nothing to happen.

Immaturity is a deadly poison

Yupppp. David thought a high tolerance for cyberware meant he had an immunity to cyberpsychosis, but the reality is that he only had a high tolerance. He eventually broke that tolerance, and it led to his death.

The double jump 😤

Would he really still be alive? He’d still have to go up against Adam Smasher in the end

@@somedude3820 also cuz he already had pre-implant symptoms of psychosis so it's a matter of when for him

I like that a lot of the time it shows it slowed down from David's perspective and then shows what it actually looks like to everyone else.

@@shoobzy3431 yeah and that's so cool

@@shoobzy3431 yup and it shows that he's not stopping or slowing down time , he's just really fast

@@lukky6648 man is given a tool that makes him almost as fast as the flash. That's broken when you think about it.

@@imsentinelprime9279 Not only that, it also lets him break physics.

I love the sound effect, sounds like a high tech gear shift.

It’s kind of immature but I imagine there are afterimages in the game as well because it pleases me

Yeah it really hits different when you do the science and realize David is more or less mimicking the effects you would have if you were moving near the speed of light.

In 2020, cyberware worked by knocking off one Empathy point after another, the CP2020 equivalent to Charisma. People with higher starting Empathy obviously had a longer way to go before hitting 0. On your way down, you experienced losing one point of Empathy after another, each time making human interaction a tiny bit harder.

@@SusCalvin V is just build different. If’s David tolerance is a 10 and Smaher is a 100, V is like 1000

@@TipoIrritable There was no difference in cyberpsychosis resistance between characters. If you install a Mr. Studd it will give you 2 six-sided dice of Humanity Cost. So between 2 and 12 points. It's just luck. The more dehumanizing the chrome was, the harder it hit. One of the most HC-intense things you could install was a metal face mask. A necessity for complete protection of your brain if you wanted to be entirely coated in metal, but you were ripping your own face out and replacing it with inarticulate metal. 10 full HC means you knocked one point of Empathy off. Having high starting Empathy meant you had a longer way to fall until you hit 0. Each point knocked off made human interaction just a little harder though. People who have low Empathy to start with have less to give before 0.

@@TipoIrritable Its less so V and more so that Johnny was holding his shit together for him.

@@V-O-V Not that much too. He could canonically resist T-Bug, so that puts him ahead every Net and Merc

Kerenikov also drives you cyberpsycho much faster. I think Smasher probably prefers that and considers Sandevistan a 'rudimentary upgrade'.

@@dustinjones7458 not really, you just have to recondition yourself to a slower moving world. Silverhand had a Kerenzikov, it was mentioned in the 2020 book iirc

I would imagine the implant that is on 24/7 would be really mentally draining.

@@Saeiane777 Enough 'reconditioning' and eventually it's just easier to not be human, tho.

Makes me want to think "What If david had a kerenzikov instead of the sandevistan"

Not really, as the player using a Sandevistan you can do the same as David and if you improve it with heatsinks you get unlimited sandevistan uptime without going cyberpsycho or receiving health damage, the latter happens to David because he installed the Sandevistan without proper training, meanwhile the ripperdocs in the game won't install you the sandevistan if you don't meet the minimum requirements unlike David's shady ripperdoc who in fact wanted him to go mad or die from using it. V from the game would wipe the floor with David even worse than Adam Smasher did. Besides David's sandevistan is probably the mk2 at best.

@@abstractfactory8068Dunno about a mk 2 since the way it slowed down time it was more akin to the Warp dancer sandy

​@@abstractfactory8068 David literally had a military grade sandy

@@Deevious. The mk2 is the military version within game, it's the one max tac uses, I think this is also most likely the same version that David is using, the legendary and purple sandevistans are probably custom made and even better than military hardware.

@@abstractfactory8068 I feel like it’s not that simple though, it seems established that excessive cyberware usage will drive anyone insane eventually. by this logic some of the people involved in the cyberpsycho sightings probably shouldn’t have snapped, and in the tabletop game no one is immune from it, just a matter of time based on character stats. but I do think V is uniquely resistant to cyberpsychosis somehow, maybe because of how the Relic affects his brain. realistically though it’s probably mainly a gameplay decision that I can’t blame CDPR for

It's like the time he used the Sandevistan for the first time in episode 2.

I audibly laughed and shook my head in amazement the first time I saw this

Only that the observer perspective is wrong, he should be upside down and mid landing when he fires the wrist cannon.

@@johnsmith361 na he just built different, he flipped in the split second after shooting.

How am i just noticing this 😅

That’s more like Kerenzikov the Sandevistan basically stops time

@@goku8621 well in Max payne 2 it's basically as if you're using the sandevistan since max literally can run faster than everyone and can break the laws of physics

@@goku8621 plus I uploaded a vid of max payne 2 it's like he's the inventor of the the sandevistan

@@goku8621 In 2020, they worked the same way. Both were neural co-processors that improved your Initiative. A kerenzikov gives you +1 or +2, gives more Humanity Cost and was active all the time so you always felt like wading through mud. Sandevistan was activated in bursts of 5 rounds, had a lower HC since it wasn't always on and could give +3 instead. By comparison, the top of the line eurosolos have +10 Initiative from pure skills and instinct. The wits and experience of a solo is always faster than metal.

V dogshits everyokeb

rip David

my favorite scene of him using the sandy for sure

Such a sick scene

Seriously, I fucking loved that part.

Figures there’s competing brands XD

i think they have the same specs honestly , david won cause of the extra foot augment combined while he's in speed mode

@@Ramsey276one kerenzikov is like for a few seconds and it is activated automatically as a defensive chrome Whilst Sandevistan has different degrees and rarities,with unique extras to them additionally and it needs to be activated manually and lasts much longer.

@@universetrigger2316 nah The choom did not had Sandevistan as his reaction only last for a few seconds then his time dilutation changed back to normal.

@@attilakovacs5040 I am honestly behind on Cyberpunk, but I don't plan to be for long XD

LOL YEAH i love how he just slid in there

it was unsettling somehow

4) it is just as cool in the game 5) the sound of it in the game is cool 6) it’s so smooth. Gotta agree with that choom

Lmao

Adam has it too he would’ve died

He already installed the cyberskeleton sadly way before Lucy called him to tell him the truth. His limbs were all already ripped off too.

He was already going cyberpsycho, without the suit Adam would've curbed stomped him, assuming he even would have gotten there in time since there was a Militech blockade and she was in an aircraft.

nope, cyberpsychosis were already killing david, in the last mission david said to rebecca that he needed that rebecca inject in him the drug to stay alive, but the doc say to him that when he uses the last dose of antipsycho drug, he will became psycho forever, so david take the big work to pay the future of lucy and the others, it was his final work so he wanted to be a job with a pretty good payment to do it, and david almost were psycho because he had changed too many parts of his body to cyberware, he had legs with charged jump, sandevistan, mini launcher in one hand, and several upgrades in his body, in one time the doc said to him that he need to update his cyberware to a more recent and optimized versions because he were in options to develop cyberpsychosis earlier because usually older cyberware stress more the body, in the game is stated that V has minimalistic cyberware even if you put something on every part of your body, but he/she had not mixed cyberware, and he/she is used to have major upgrades because his/her brain were rebuild by nanomachines to let the brain be used by the engram of johnny silverhand, and to can upgrade him in more ways, it was the relic developed by arasaka for rich and powerful people so it was put in mind that those people were going to get more cyberware than any other people to live more time, that is why V did not develop cyberpsychosis when even chippin all his/her body, because his/her brain were able to support those changes because of the relic implant.

Heck.. even with all of the upgrades. If he took a break and had some mental health counseling. He could have easily prevented onset of cyberpsychosis. There are even dedicated psychiatrists to cyberpsychosis in cyberpunk universe

It is also possible that if he went to school, he would have been used as a lab rat.

Yes

@@benfromthesewers1688 Cyberpsychosis has a permanent mark on you even with therapy

@Ajit Adonis Manilal the psychosis was due to trauma, the creator said that having trauma and being heavily augmented is an easy was to become a cyberpsycho, like the ex marine at the start of the show or the homeless war vet half way in that kills Pilar

David's Kamina would've been V but sadly his story doesn't start until a year later

@@icey3495 His Kamina is Maine. Or do you mean like an older siblings type role model?

Even there, Trigger copied Gurenn-Lagann. Sad.

@@kiril10 copied? That's always been trigger's formula even as early as gunbuster.

@@kiril10 They might have used the formula as a basis for their story. But far from copied. It's like sharing a movie genre, but being even more closely related. Yet they're distinct stories overall. As OP nicely pointed out, there are parallels - but very deliberate differences that make it play out in a different way to make a point. The writers knew precisely what they were doing and why, which is the opposite of blindly copying stuff.

PGR lasted only for few seconds but bosses can overcome it Shame it can't be upgraded like Nier Automata where perfect dodge + time stop chips works like Sandevistan

And they even have a sort of Cyberpsychosis lore in PGR with the concept of M.I.N.D deviation.

man when I watched the show I knew the sandevistan reminded me of something, just forgot all about PGR after I quit lol

Yeah constructs

Huh... neat

Adam has a Sandevistine too, he just doesn’t use it because it’s below him. Once he realized David is using it he starts to use his too

Its more about efficency i guess. David had limit-breaking expierience, his last effort to fulfill his love's dreams and pushing himself knowing, he isnt going to make it. For Smasher it was just a bit unusual day at work.

@@TheNorthie Bro I get it and maybe ur right but also don't give Smasher any credit, he sucks.

@@jabe6078 David was just Adam's 9 to 5

David activated his first, so it took a second for Smasher to register this to turn his on.

“Hmm let me see if I can beat bioshock without using any plasmids”

lol

@Seggs Master but bro, jetstream sam

@Seggs Master Morgan Blackhand be like

@@kimshi2002 Jetstream Sam had a legit Nano-suit enhancing his already nano-machine infused blood. Not AS bad as Raiden, but a normal human would have no chance of using standard reaction speeds to even fight, much less equal, Raiden during their first and second conflicts.

True. But it was off screen as it focused on Lucy becoming worried over David following the large detonation Maine caused.

@@manofmercy1500 Very true, but the ones at 5:34 were as well thats why I pointed that one out :)

@@Zalingan Receipts😂🧾

Oh that's Explains why make Sense

Honestly most of us wouldn't survive using it for more than few seconds

Remember that if they have this in real life then only the rich could afford it, and this have heavy strand on your body, normally you only suppose to use this about 2 time a day if you don't want your brain to explode

you’d go cyberpyscho 😂

People shouldnt have that kind of power cuz my stuff would go missing from thieving sandevistan users

@@nootnoot3797 sadly it is true

Too bad 2.1 nerfed it so fucking much.

3:15 I assume the explosion part was cut out to avoid *completely* spoiling things

Broo the ep6 is the peak of edgerunner

@@gigaturboplusmega But this video shows even the final battle against Adam Smasher, is a lot of spoilers

@@theworldmaker1410 tbh yeah idk what i was thinking

In the game the max you can go for is like 30 seconds I think

That wasn't actual cyberpsychosis, that was just David experiencing an XBD where it makes it seem like he's a cyber psycho, hence the entire military and even Max Tac raining down on his ass

That wasn't his psychosis. He was living another psycho in a BD.

@@xyro9115 I think it was an altered BD to make David feel like he did it. Because the way Max Tac shoots him is very similar to how they got Norris.

Not exactly as good, but 2:46 (when he’s zipping around the drone) does a decent job showcasing it as well

Not quite, you can hear the “sandevi-Staaaaannnnnnnn”very very slow, but not quite a complete time stop

Wait you’re right

Oh definitely the only reason he lost to smasher imo is his use of other implants rather than just being a one trick sandevistan pony

Eurosolos disdain chrome. A sandevistan in 2020 gives some punk +3 Initiative while a meat solo with the right skills has +10.

Sustain/Decay

@@alphamonrx Thanks!

Could’ve gone for some leg upgrades

That’s the point of the story the city is plagued with addiction and chrome is one of them