All Sim Racing AI Should Be Like This

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9 ай бұрын

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@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
Video reuploaded. KZfaq did me a dirty. Help cleaning it up with a sub.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
As a diehard fan of Nijigasaki High School Idol Club, GT7 SPEC II is absolutely the BEST especially the Sophy 2.0 (PS5 ONLY).
@darenlim1584
@darenlim1584 9 ай бұрын
hopefully, these will be expanded to all tracks and then into custom races.... and we get custom championships... pipe dreams...perhaps
@snoopy_peanuts_77
@snoopy_peanuts_77 9 ай бұрын
or even if they have a 1 v1 option and you can crank up the difficulty to the purple sophy
@flavisimo3593
@flavisimo3593 9 ай бұрын
With qualifying, we can dream.
@spencerwhitmore1896
@spencerwhitmore1896 9 ай бұрын
It's not a pipe dream. They are developing sophy for the purpose of implementing good ai throughout the whole game.
@leok3347
@leok3347 9 ай бұрын
for the GT8 :D @@spencerwhitmore1896
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
​@@spencerwhitmore1896Sophy 2.0 AI in GT7 also has more awareness level than FM8.
@hach1koko
@hach1koko 9 ай бұрын
I'm doing research in reinforcement learning and I had the chance to have someone from sony AI present their work on sophy to our research group a few months ago. Glad to see that it works so well
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
thats a really good story to tell
@ryantrudell4686
@ryantrudell4686 9 ай бұрын
I think the important thing here is that the GT franchise has always been about being a “driving simulator”. What they’re realizing is they also need it to be a “racing simulator” as well. Driving and racing are two different things. And too many of GT’s single player races feel like a Sunday drive, and not a race.
@Nathaniel_Wu
@Nathaniel_Wu 9 ай бұрын
Sophy can be really fast, as experienced by many players firsthand in the time-limited Race Together preview event, they could really put up a fight even in underpowered cars. They scaled it back for most people, especially the raw pace, a bit too much imo. I think what they aimed for was to tune it so that if you are half decent fast, you can catch the leader within three laps on expert difficulty. I hope they give more difficulty options in the future, maybe even the superhuman fast one that GTWS drivers couldn’t win against.
@darenlim1584
@darenlim1584 9 ай бұрын
I was surprised how much they scaled it back.
@117johnpar
@117johnpar 9 ай бұрын
Roflwaffle put it really well in his video about his version of GT. Where the AI would be as good as Sophy, but start relatively slower in the race. Gradually increasing their laptimes like the player naturally does. So the whole race feels paced accurately. And doesnt take you hotlapping and practicing just to keep up at max pace.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
​@@117johnparSophy AI 2.0 in GT7 is basically like Setsuna Yuki playing Gran Turismo 7.
@DaniMacYo
@DaniMacYo 9 ай бұрын
I really hope GT will allow us to adjust AI Sophy with a slider or number percentage to get the right difficulty level for all players.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
What about Expert Sophy AI 2.0?
@JoeyBagZ
@JoeyBagZ 9 ай бұрын
It’s always great to watch a video where the person is excited about the subject. Watching this made me actually open up GT7 and update it.
@anton41
@anton41 9 ай бұрын
Me too 😅
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
I also noticed that.
@117johnpar
@117johnpar 9 ай бұрын
Imagine if FM2023 had a quarter as good of AI as this. thats basically what they advertised.
@OZIPUG1970
@OZIPUG1970 9 ай бұрын
Even the normal GT7 Ai is better than forza.I seen a comparison last week when he parked the car in the middle of the track and the forza Ai didn't care and just kept smashing into him but on GT7 the Ai slowed down and drove around him 😂
@117johnpar
@117johnpar 9 ай бұрын
@@OZIPUG1970 Thats a pretty specific case. But both of their normal AI have very similar problems when racing.
@MonaKlisa
@MonaKlisa 9 ай бұрын
Well i tried FM8 race and i find similarity ai in FM8 and GT4 is have same behaviour they crashing to me when i stop on the line😂
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
​@@OZIPUG1970yes. AI drivers in FM8 never care about player's car existence in the middle of the track.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
​@@117johnparyes. Lack of awareness. In GT5 for example. The AI in GT5 constantly ramming into you for no apparent reason.
@rosaria8384
@rosaria8384 9 ай бұрын
This is honestly the biggest change ever, and I hope it continues to expand to enhance the single player experience. When that happens, the brain dead AI will be no more after 25+ years
@hyperion2502
@hyperion2502 9 ай бұрын
It's a really great feature. It feels organic. i'm totally hyped. Hope they will extend it to custom race and championship, with weather, tyre wear and fuel. For now it's quite balanced with road cars and gr if they are not tuned (stock tyres for road cars and hard compound for gr). This version of sophy is not that fast. One or 2 step more in the difficulty would be appreciated.
@vvs6433
@vvs6433 9 ай бұрын
Sophy is deffinitely balanced around stock cars, but even among these there can be a big diference. Race against Sophy in new stock GT3 RS is much much easier than race where you use stock 400R.
@hyperion2502
@hyperion2502 9 ай бұрын
@@vvs6433 because of its wing, the gt3 rs is glued to the tarmac. it's a great car. But try le mans with the porshe, the drs is almost not enough to follow those Bugatti^^
@vvs6433
@vvs6433 9 ай бұрын
@@hyperion2502 Sure GT3 has a lot of downforce, but that is reflected by its PP value, so Sophy driving a car with similar PP and lower downforce should smoke you in straights, lap times of cars with similar PP should also be similar. Some cars are just faster in certain performance levels than others, for example Countach is a beast in 600 PP (RH or SS tires) and 300Z is pretty slow in 600 PP (all tire compounds). Best experience against Sophy is with stock cars, but if you chose a stock car that is fast for its PP you will have much easier time. Some cars shine only if tune them to some extent and some are great even in stock form.
@macmartin86
@macmartin86 9 ай бұрын
Don't have a PS5, but I like the AI, looks very interesting!
@MeowtualRealityGamecat
@MeowtualRealityGamecat 9 ай бұрын
I think the options for this ai will come, this with the psvr2 makes for a amazing experience
@justinchin0
@justinchin0 29 күн бұрын
I love seeing the ai get angry when I pass them 🤣😏😬
@OZIPUG1970
@OZIPUG1970 9 ай бұрын
Sophy isn't as hard as the first time we seen it but it still is awesome and the fastest sophy will pounce if you make a mistake.
@R4ZORLIGHT
@R4ZORLIGHT 9 ай бұрын
We need a PC Version.
@olavofernandes7286
@olavofernandes7286 9 ай бұрын
Won't come to PC
@andreasmoller9798
@andreasmoller9798 9 ай бұрын
Gt spec ll update was a total gamechanger for gt7 in so many ways its really packed with content and quality of life inprovments
@driftvader8869
@driftvader8869 9 ай бұрын
Even a slower AI which is able to defend believable and somewhat intelligent can be so much fun as you really have to plan a good and clean overtake.
@SentinelOneLove
@SentinelOneLove 9 ай бұрын
Great content 👌🏽
@LeoDavidson
@LeoDavidson 9 ай бұрын
Man, I wish they'd do a PC release, or find a way to support ultrawide (and FOV/seat adjustment) on the PS5. I would buy this so fast.
@Flying-Fox19
@Flying-Fox19 5 ай бұрын
The AI in Project Cars 3 was the best Ive experienced for a console game using a controller honestly. You can adjust difficulty and aggression level to suit your skill level. PC2 didn't work out for me with controller so it probably has similar option/AI. The racing is neck and neck and it depends on the tracks. I will try GT7 again with the updates sometime and hope to experience that intense race against the AIs.
@santiagoremedi7385
@santiagoremedi7385 8 ай бұрын
I remember playing FLATOUT 2, SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO already, and there was a simple element to its hilarious AI that, paradoxically, made the game more complex, more unique than any other racing game: The AI reacted to your being near them, and their being near each other. Yes, they obscenely crashed into one another, cos flatout 2 had other objectives than sim racers now, but ive always wondered how the flatout 2 devs managed to do what so many other franchises have been miles away from achieving in terms of ai reaction. I don't know about programming, but the ai has a standard racing line, so how can it not change it when two things happen: other cars are less than x meters away, and their car is accelerating (cos that means the car is in a straight so it's safe to change racing lines). Hopefully Sophy becomes the way all the ai cars in gt7 behave, regardless of the game mode
@Tj930
@Tj930 9 ай бұрын
This version of Sophy is like a B rating (versus the A+ type of thing it was before). Definitely been 'detuned'
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 9 ай бұрын
Sophy 2.0 for the AI on PS5 is absolute deal breaker. Thats why GT7 SPEC II right now is the BEST!
@paianys
@paianys 9 ай бұрын
Sophy can work to train ppl work offline. I am hoping to develop my skills to prepare a race in the future. You can race with the same car with sophy and if you are slow you find places to improve by watching it. Right now it is slow, but first version was super fast. I hope to grt that version in future (maybe they can introduce it just for some categories like GT3 or GT4, even that would be awesome.)
@racer14glr91
@racer14glr91 9 ай бұрын
I think SOPHY is a big step forward. But, they don't fight you on e your pass them. Very fun racing them. I agree about the Audi R8 also
@Boostlagg
@Boostlagg 9 ай бұрын
The original Sophy was like Skynet, unbeatable. Glad they lowered the difficulty
@MroczMR
@MroczMR 9 ай бұрын
@randomcallsign The Audi drives so well because GT7 had huge "physics" update some time ago like in march or april. All cars are great to drive now in GT7
@EricBresil93
@EricBresil93 9 ай бұрын
Don’t forget about the drs on the 911
@mclarenf1gtr99
@mclarenf1gtr99 9 ай бұрын
Would like if it was less fighty and more speedy. Like if you get one axle along side they wont block or fight, just stay in their line. Would also like if one could randomize how fast cars are depending on driver, so we don't just expect ai to be of a certain speed with the same outcome of "this car is faster than that one, so it will win", it could even be dynamic, like doing 3 good laps and 2 not so good laps, not letting player by so easily, making big mistakes(like late brake into grass or wall, too much oversteer/understeer, too much speed into corner, etc), all depending on ai driver stats(consistency score, agressive score, speed score, safety score). This is good progress considering how bad GT ai is in this century, but it doesn't solve the main issue for me which is their lack of speed.
@gertinewoord1887
@gertinewoord1887 8 ай бұрын
I think when sophy as to do a longer race whith pitstops it will suffer.as i think it can not judge time and tactics .but lets hope it can in the future.
@charlesfragoso3932
@charlesfragoso3932 8 ай бұрын
They need to adjust the pp for the car you're driving. I have almost no stock cars.
@some_doofus
@some_doofus 9 ай бұрын
Here's hoping that eventually Sophy will be implemented on all tracks and custom races with the ability to adjust difficulty to your liking for increased payouts. I'm sure we'll get there eventually, but I have some ideas on how they could take the system even further. Instead of just having selectable difficulty levels for each race it would be great to see higher difficulty AI organically integrated into a proper career mode with a fairly linear progression. Unfortunately I doubt something like that will ever be added to GT7 at this point, but it's nice to dream nonetheless. Anyway, that would mean in lower level races (Nat-b, Nat-A) you would face a lower level AI which is slower and makes mistakes, and as you progress through the licenses and the career to higher level races the AI would improve as well. Not just drive faster cars like in every GT game prior, but actually improve their racecraft, attack and defend more aggressively, make less mistakes. This would more closely simulate the level of skill you would expect to see in GT3 and Gr.1 races and make them a proper late game challenge that you have to work for. This would give a real sense of progression as you have to improve your own driving skills to move up from doing Nat-B races in "reasonably priced cars" with regular weekend warrior drivers, to racing the toughest AI in a proper Gr.1 endurance championships. To add even more depth to the AI, you could give them all names, faces and backstories so you get to know who you're racing like in real life. Each racer would be a unique "person" with their own driving style, strengths and weaknesses. You could even develop rivalries with other drivers if you knock them off track or just barely beat them in a race, which could make them drive harder and more aggressively in the future. This would bring a sense of immersion we've never seen in a GT game and would take the single player experience to the next level.
@VC777
@VC777 9 ай бұрын
It's a good 2nd step
@cookiemonster2189
@cookiemonster2189 9 ай бұрын
Lots in the update but very disappointing that sophy AI is only in quick races
@Catterham_real
@Catterham_real 9 ай бұрын
Everyone hating the GT Ai until they played Custom Races
@SmartJulger
@SmartJulger 9 ай бұрын
hope ac2 has something like this ai
@kotarojujo2737
@kotarojujo2737 9 ай бұрын
kazunori cooked very well
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
He indeed did
@alnath01
@alnath01 9 ай бұрын
yep, but he forgot the desert (sophy everywhere and another track) 😇 - Anyway, it's still a good meal 😎
@XavierGoncalves89
@XavierGoncalves89 9 ай бұрын
I wish that my simucube was compatible with this, playing on a gamepad is nigh on impossible
@gjdriessen1
@gjdriessen1 2 ай бұрын
Interesting developments. Iracing is ai is also great but really expensive. Btw the reflections on GT are annoying to look at.
@akatsuki_silva
@akatsuki_silva 9 ай бұрын
bom video, abraço de Gaia 👍
@samihimas
@samihimas 9 ай бұрын
Does it run locally? because it would be a great technical achievement!
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
I dont think it does.
@Kainthereaper
@Kainthereaper 9 ай бұрын
Can you turn off those icons/sfx over the ai cars?
@vvs6433
@vvs6433 9 ай бұрын
Yes
@Supersicksimracing
@Supersicksimracing Ай бұрын
What track is this ?
@giogamer4825
@giogamer4825 9 ай бұрын
Is a way to reconise in the circuit menu the tracks that Sophy 2.0 is on?
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
theres a sophy icon on the right
@giogamer4825
@giogamer4825 9 ай бұрын
@@randomcallsign Thanks. Will test it this weekend
@skylinecar1982
@skylinecar1982 5 ай бұрын
7:03 Claiming gt sophy isn't the fastest while you are in second place with a six second plus gap on lap three of four with almost less than a minute to make that up????
@555cring
@555cring 9 ай бұрын
iracing ai is also really good but this looks better
@Hmonks
@Hmonks 9 ай бұрын
This is a real AI self learning
@msha1khy
@msha1khy 9 ай бұрын
its still meh leaves no space despite me being on the inside
@detonator2112
@detonator2112 9 ай бұрын
Assetto Corsa and rFactor2 are worshipped by all sim racers. Sure they drive well when you're hotlapping... AC driving feel is untouchable... but their ai is not great. Might be even better on GT7 now. Cheers.
@chilli-soup
@chilli-soup 9 ай бұрын
Sophie could make me sell my Xbox n G920 etc and go PS but ive got a ton of racing titles to re-buy if i do so I'll keep an eye on her progress for now.
@PodiumTuningRacing
@PodiumTuningRacing 9 ай бұрын
You really only need one, GT7 + VR2 = chef kiss
@HooXieBD
@HooXieBD 9 ай бұрын
I don't I feel that Forza has it better in single player
@bojador
@bojador 9 ай бұрын
From what I played they are nerfing the AI cars even when bop is on (gr4/3/2).
@1RolandG70
@1RolandG70 9 ай бұрын
Is this the answer, though? For starters, let’s not pretend this is REALLY AI, but human trained AI. That means, at PD’s usual glacial pace, we won’t see an ‘all tracks, all cars, all conditions, all distances’ artificial opponent system for about 20 years..! Plus it does nothing to clean up online racing, if anything, it will disincentivize players looking for a clean race to consider the online stuff. I predict that online will become even more populated with ‘car racing is WAR!’ mentality players. Sophie, if it becomes more standard offline, will force bad drivers (who won’t be able to get a cheap victory over the original GT AI) more and more to Sport Mode. That’s the exact OPPOSITE of what most of us online players want! The ‘proper’ application of AI should be better stewarding of online racing. Who hit who first? Who got pushed off through no fault of their own? Who dive bombed from too far back to make the apex? Who pushed who into a wall or the pit lane? AI could help answer many of those questions, and return online to those interested in a SPORT, not a combat simulator! But PD are not interested in making stewarding their #1 concern. Making offline the only place you can find competent clean racing against Sophy is a ringing indictment of PD’s development path…
@hithere2776
@hithere2776 9 ай бұрын
I hope they add events with the new Ai instead of three laps races.
@spacefacegaming
@spacefacegaming 9 ай бұрын
This game beat forza motorsport
@bobjames6622
@bobjames6622 9 ай бұрын
Is it possible to switch off the emojis and their "pings"?
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
As far as I know, no
@batou84
@batou84 9 ай бұрын
Emojis don't display for me (they are only visible on the driver list on the left, not above the cars). Maybe it's because I have driver names turned off above the cars.
@bobjames6622
@bobjames6622 9 ай бұрын
@@batou84 Ahh, that makes sense! Thanks for that. Cheers
@vvs6433
@vvs6433 9 ай бұрын
@@randomcallsign Yes you can, just turn off the driver/car names over cars and it will turn off the AI icons as well. I have the driver/car names turned off for more than a year now, the game looks so much better without it.
@androidadvanced5068
@androidadvanced5068 9 ай бұрын
No, sory! Sophy still not defends their positions well, still not good! Needs to receive more updates. Geoff Cramond did this in Gp3 and 4, and pcars 2 if not wrong. But its a good start for Gt.
@Leonidae
@Leonidae 9 ай бұрын
Sophy deserves properly tuned cars. Stock ones are holding it back too much.
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
in all due time
@brunosword
@brunosword 9 ай бұрын
It would be cool if an AI got punted they would be more aggressive and can attempt to hit you or overshoot corners.
@R0ndras
@R0ndras 9 ай бұрын
The emojis need to go. The improvement in AI is great, much needed, but idk why they have to make it like its for my grandma in 2010
@vvs6433
@vvs6433 9 ай бұрын
You can turn the text over cars and emojis off
@rosaria8384
@rosaria8384 9 ай бұрын
I think it's for visual feedback, like how reinforcement learning reacts to real world conditions. Think of it as a casual way to represent a change in the dataset
@leniekotze9697
@leniekotze9697 9 ай бұрын
All Sim Racing AI Should Be Like This (((( yes then the game can die as only pro drivers can play this good idea to kill of GT7))))
@JROD082384
@JROD082384 9 ай бұрын
Turn 10 is well over a decade away from matching what Polyphony has achieved with Sophy, meaning that all other devs are about 30 years behind the curve…
@matthewratcliffe1953
@matthewratcliffe1953 9 ай бұрын
They are far too slow
@niklas6467
@niklas6467 6 ай бұрын
Makes no sense. Stop trash YT
@magz9816
@magz9816 9 ай бұрын
Them emojis need to go
@HCPiet
@HCPiet 9 ай бұрын
But many Sim Racing AIs are very similar! Automobilista2, RF2, RR and the newer iRacing AI are not far off and often very close.
@Hmonks
@Hmonks 9 ай бұрын
All those Ai are driven by line and have a fix algorithm, where as Sophy is self learning AI, it’s limited compared to ver 1, but even pros couldn’t compete with ver 1
@howiekearney
@howiekearney 9 ай бұрын
They still aren't that fast
@cesarmuller8962
@cesarmuller8962 9 ай бұрын
They had a golden chance to revolutionize the game, and they wasted it! Only 3 laps? Wow... Disappointing! We want endurances with Sophy! We want to personalize our races!
@gerogyzurkov2259
@gerogyzurkov2259 9 ай бұрын
In their defense it's labeled 2.0 which means they're probably going to refinement it more with more versions and probably for more tracks and conditions. Just be Glad for the progress at least we finally getting better AI for now.
@cesarmuller8962
@cesarmuller8962 9 ай бұрын
I feel the normal IA its kind... better/smarter too, do you fell that too?@@gerogyzurkov2259
@cesarmuller8962
@cesarmuller8962 9 ай бұрын
I felt like the normal AI is better, did you notice that too?@@gerogyzurkov2259
@XxWarmancxX
@XxWarmancxX 9 ай бұрын
yeah fuck no. not everyone has a few thousand hours and few thousand dollars for a sim rig to be capable of keeping up with sophy.
@DV-ou1yu
@DV-ou1yu 9 ай бұрын
? I been on the controller this whole time. You'll be fine
@KikuraKun
@KikuraKun 9 ай бұрын
? Difficulty is there for a reason.
@CX1329
@CX1329 9 ай бұрын
You don't need a sim rig. I play on a standard PS5 controller and I can race Sophy just fine on the highest difficulty setting.
@BlvaKadavrah
@BlvaKadavrah 9 ай бұрын
you must have a skill issue to think you need a full-on sim rig just to beat an AI
@rosaria8384
@rosaria8384 9 ай бұрын
Skill issue.
@goldeneyegaming5439
@goldeneyegaming5439 9 ай бұрын
Acabei de me aperceber que és português, e para quem é de cá posso dizer que tens conteúdo espetacular! Também jogo GT7 e jogo GT desde o GT3, o meu ID é Goldeneye311, sou rank A S. Se por acaso quiseres trocar umas ideias ou fazer lobbies no GT, manda-me pedido, ficava lisonjeado Continua esse bom trabalho!
@JoeFiddle-ls5jh
@JoeFiddle-ls5jh 9 ай бұрын
Pc definitely inferior to ps5. 10x money for nothing
@randomcallsign
@randomcallsign 9 ай бұрын
wth you on about
@bigshow196
@bigshow196 8 ай бұрын
@@randomcallsign guy sounds like a sony pony. they make brainless statements like that
@maurociceri9858
@maurociceri9858 9 ай бұрын
Fake sophy super slow 🤣🤣🤣
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