when the NPC's stop, they rotate the camera around them self's to see if anyone is around them. So why bother ?

​@@stankobarabata2406I've had entire caves run too my location from deep in a cave whenever I have my coil lantern running. Like I'm just entered the cave and from way down the cave I got 2 Burning Men agro'd on me running in from out around a super distant corner- lol

Personally, with the rogue stealth passive, sneaking up is really easy, as long as you roll while crouching (you need to stop moving before rolling), the detection range is really small, and it's honestly hard to get spotted, at least from my experience. Additionally in coop, the backstab skill is twice as powerfull

I played stealth back in the initial release, and in all honesty it just required proper timing. You could easily with the movement speed and stamina perks swoop in on an enemy from the back. The rogue stealth bonus was insane and turned the range into a small circle.

No it is not. What Is best for one doesnt suit other. I search up for some builds but stil changed it to my preferences.

Glad you enjoyed it. I definitely enjoyed covering Outward and it was sad t leave the game as of it being the main content. But I made a guide for almost every aspect of the game. Not much else after that lol. Still love it to death though and will always be one of my favorite games.

@@SheenShots look forward to outward 2 then!

There is no objective fact here. He's ranking which trees he thinks are most powerful in his subjective opinion. It is good that he didn't play favoutires though, as that isn't the theme of the list. Maybe that would make a good video too though.

I still feel bad for my boy Kazite Spellblade.

And much better range. I don't use that combo often but it is one of the more interesting ones.

Merc definitely could be moved up. I didn't because its one a rarely use. Honestly all things considered I should use merc more than monk and still get the same stamina effect. I usually like to look at the top skills to make my final choice as well. Blood bullet and shield infuse force me into an offhand, while warrior monk can be used with any melee weapon. But then sometimes I don't even use those attacks skills often enough to make this matter. Merc having two really good passives is definitely a huge plus for it.

Thank you for confirming that I'm not crazy lol

Honestly, the chakrams should have been an additional skill tree. I agree that they don't fit with philosopher. Since that skill tree is sigil based. Chakrams feel very thrown in for no reason. Now they are already very strong, which means a lot of work would need to go into that new skill tree to balance it, but I think it would feel a bit better separated.

​@@SheenShotsChakrams are half of the philosopher trees, you will go one or other. The top skill for chakrams is waste of skill, and chakrams are just support weapon for hex and shaman mages.

I feel the same way. Its damage overall is not the best, and it doesn't mix the best with other trees. But man does it feel so fun to play. Me I hate gong strike but I will take elemental discharge any day of the week. Its melee, magic, and range all in one.

That increase tot he enrage boon alone is huge.

10% is nothing

​@memenazi7078 That 10% is alot. For example, if your using a Tsar Claymore. That 10% is the difference between being able to instantly stagger a Tuanosaur with a single hit vs taking 2 hits before it can be staggered by your hits.

Thanks! I think there is definitely some bias here and there which is unavoidable, but overall nothing that breaks the list or anything.

You arguably don't need Rune with Hex. I prefer going Primal Ritualist with Hex + cabal for AOE damage for large groups of enemies since the Hex Mage skill tree by default is single targeting. Primal Ritualist omits this, while giving you barrier and making you an absolute tank with its passive after breakthrough. For single bosses/unknown arenas I go rainbow hex blade. Everything else, chakram is your best friend with the sky chimes + ghost drums.

I didn't' think about it at the time unfortunately. But thank you!

@@SheenShots You’re most welcome. I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Huh, I've been playing Outward for some time and never realised it buffs discipline and rage boons too :D

Wind infuse makes monsters out of most weapons. But you have to bring extra tea or endurance potion for that double burned stamina. Also pairing it with Elemental discharge pops a projectile with immense impact. Add Mana push and you start a fight ready to juggle staggers and knockdowns without trading blows or wasted stamina dodging/blocking. It tilts all enemies who don't have immense impact resistance.

Ritualist is broken and should even be #1

​@@Druujnamed my cabal berserker Monster energy coz he's always chugging a coffee or stam pot

This is a very good point. Thinking like a new player you would probably never find the wind pillars for quite some time. Then not knowing that the boons are where your power lies means your missing out on your breakthrough.

I didnt find the cabal hermit till my third playtrough 💀

@@SheenShots Steam had this on sale for $13 bucks so I picked it up - there is A LOT to take in as a new player. I didn't want many of spoilers, but I have looked at skill trees - finding out I had to scour the map for some shrine or my skills are worthless immediately made this tree a no-go for me. I get exploring is part of it, but if I drop money on skills, I want to use them now, not after roaming around for hours dying who knows how many times, lol. I haven't even left Chersonese yet, that's how new I am.

​@@sharkbaitoohhahha I'm new too, although I liked Cabal Hermit as a new player. The Chersonese Wind Altar is just south of the Hermit's House, so you can unlock it right away (although, hard to know that as a new player). Once unlocked, you can use the Sigil of Wind / Infuse Wind in the entire area of Chersonese, including in the dungeons. So they won't cost you items to activate them like Sigil of Fire (so no need to farm the mats). You can also get Brutal weapons in Chersonese, like Brutal Knuckles and Brutal Greataxe, which are really nice with Infuse Wind + Enrage + Shamanic Resonance breakthrough to boost their Impact damage. You can get Enrage for free from the Cierzo gate NPC if you first talked to him with a weapon like Cloth Knuckles. Knuckles hit twice for each Basic attack, so with Infuse Wind + Enrage + Shamanic Resonance breakthrough, they actually do a ton of Impact damage to stagger / knock down enemies, which is pretty fun early game, lol.

​@@sharkbaitoohhahhaYou do realize the cabal totem is right next to the hermits tower you are able to use it right away you don't have to spend hours searching for them

My philosophy on builds in this game is that it takes about 3 tries to nail it. One to mess up the trees. One to figure out the gear with the corrected trees. Then the third to build an "op" character with the playstyle, gear, and faction choices all lined up. Unless you follow a "guide". Experimentation is way more fun though.

@@AhkmedTheLiving The only thing I would change is the hunter tree cause after a while, I really don't care much about predator leap. Maybe I'll use more later? Idk, it eats weapon durability and doesn't impress in damage. The health from the breakthrough is good at least

Outward has a lot to offer and the community is indeed great. I have had a fantastic time making videos for this game.

@@SheenShots you should make a magic guide or tier list

Lol I was wondering if anyone noticed. I was dealing better yesterday, but the voice wasn't 100% back yet 😂.

Spellblade build in combination with trickster for maximum cooldown reduction is insane. You can spam elemental discharge and melt enemies :)

The two best for any build. While Primal is so good, its the only one of the top three that can get in the way for some builds.

Honestly though, that tier one skill for stamina is extremely good. Before the Soroboreans DLC is crazy to think we didn't have that. Glad you enjoyed the video!

True, but Infusions are really convenient and help with weight, so it's better if you rely on imbues in every fight opposed to bosses :D

@@MrProboina that’s true. I’ve just grown accustomed to carrying around 40 varnishes for every occasion lol

if any infuse was mana instead for ethereal, it would gain at least 5 spots in the ranking XD

I think the reason rune and cabal hermit got there places for me is the practicality. On paper they aren't quite as good as hex and primal. But in actual practice is harder to get those stats. Hex requires you being tired, not that hard but still something to worry about. Primal requires totems and placing them down. Again, not hard but still a thing. Cabal hermit merely requires casting the boons you should already be using and you get more out of them. Runes cost such low mana that getting that little bit out of them feels easy. So ya I think you are right. Although, often I try to play more comfortably and still get a good damage increase with nice defense. But totems really are a bit too strong. I think people would use them more if they weren't worried about losing them.

Honestly a really good idea. But then it would be the best skill tree by far 😂. Ethereal damage is king.

Would love to see the breakdown honestly!

@@SheenShots well i guess it will have to be my next video xD

@@pentagram4872 Looking forward to it!

@@pentagram4872 just make sure you are the one to actually finally get it right 😂😜

@@sk0omaalters96 i am litteraly about to make it, want to do it together? XD

gep blade passive . you can get it with some enchants on virgin weapons too

This is from the sword called Gep's Blade. It is over in Caldera and this guide here tells you everything you need to know about how to get it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ac6Xes6E0MfDdKs.html

Now that you pointed this out it makes a lot of sense. So instead of some extra stats you are really getting a bunch of mana. Considering spellblade uses a lot of mana this turns out to be a useful breakthrough. Never looked at it like this.

​@@SheenShots Me neither, until someone on Discord pointed it out to me. Now it's one of my favourite breakthroughs 😅

I have not, but it would be relatively simple to do. Cabal Hermit Primal Ritualist Hex Mage White Wide Hat Red Clansage robes Gold Lich Boots Boozu Hide Backpack Place down totems and get your enemies inside. Have your boon buffs active. Hit the totems while activating torment and rupture. You could use other weapons on top of this that apply hexes for even more damage, but since the totems apply hexes you can go very simple an effective if you want. Use the ghost as well since he gets some more defense in your totem range.

Qol is really big in the game I agree. Often if I go for a heavy magic build I just grab philosopher. Not worrying about mana in battle is too convenient for me.

Brace is easily the best skill in the game. I can't believe I didn't' mention it here. I always say that because its so good at staggering enemies you can end fights right after using it sometimes. Runes do get buffed. This was a change in DE that I didn't realize happened until after the video. This also works with pressure plate traps which can make for some funny encounters if you up you damage high enough. I can agree with you changes on the skill trees. Its hard to really nail this down 100%. I will say one reason I still put cabal hermit at number one is the passive buff effects enrage and discipline as well. Which massively increases your impact and physical damage instantly. I also think the wind sigil is the best sigil if we are talking easy of use and raw power. It is very useful for the entire game and spark has such a low cooldown its kind of crazy. Hex and primal are so darn good though. Primal in fact just buffs you more than anything else I think.

Yeah Ritualist can be tedious but its the best for literally any fighting. Totems are just insane +barrier +protection +more barrier.

Everytime you use Spark on a revealed Soul u get 50% of your total mana back.. i.e basically infinite mana.

Definitely a plus. Having more than one options is always nice for builds that vary in many different ways.

Glad you enjoyed it! I have played a ton of Outward an used every skill tree more times than I can count. Some when it comes to ranking them there are some pretty easy picks especially cabal hermit. The middle section there is hard because once you get into the top 5 each is so strong. But overall you can't beat cabal hermit and primal ritualist for damage, and hex is a beast for multiple reasons.

The closest thing I have is this build video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdWId8-JuteVqX0.html. Or this stream series here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ntV8d7h106_LaIE.html I don't remember if the skill trees are exactly the same, but I did end up using a two-handed mace with totems for one of my favorite builds ever. Cabal hermit Warrior Monk Primal Ritualist Obsidian great mace That would be an awesome way to play off the totem's abilities. or just use manticore great mace and a fire varnish. Same result but a better weapon.

It is called the boom build. Actually I made a guide for it as well which makes use of the geps sword. Fun as heck.

@@SheenShots I will take a look. I mean I am new in this game but with your Videos I can beat it😊 This Game give me so cool vibes because I Love old school rpgs

1 Person: Cabal Hermit, Hex Mage, Primal Ritualist Your job is to get down the totems and wind sigil. Apply hexes and deal damage with the totems while debuffing the enemy. 2 Person: Warrior Monk, Cabal hermit, Hex Mage Your job is to be aggressive with your melee combat, use spark in the wind sigil, and activate hexes to keep the enemy on you and not your ally. Using Hex mage is always good teamwork and Primal Ritualist is a must as it drastically buffs both you and your teammate if you take the full skill tree.

@SheenShots thank you, we're waiting for the definitive edition to be on sale, this will be a big help for then.

Well I didn't go into descriptive detail, but the summary gives you a good idea of why each is good. Hex and cabal hermit for example are amazing on almost every build.

Yes this is an outlier. Serpent Parry is really really strong, but with opportunist stab being much easier to use and almost better, most people don't bother with it. Which means you don't need the tree at all. I Usually take it regardless because it fits really well with daggers. Also congrats on not spending the points! Daggers can definitely let you do that since they are so strong on their own.

Blocks projectiles, provides much better defense, weakens enemies to ethereal and lightning, sends out damage if you hit them. They completely trivialize anything that stays mid range and allow you to be aggressive or passive and still do damage. The ghost drum alone is super fun for that Aetherbomb.

I would still like to, but its quite a long video if I do it so I need to map out everything. Ill look into it.

It's still very mediocre compared to other other skill trees.

@@SeventhheavenDK Well, mediocre doesn't mean bad, so... I'll take it. Even bland oatmeal can have things added to it to make it better

Definitely something I should have brought up. Makes it more of a magic focus tree than it looks.

I hadnt even considered that

@@gamesux420 Some extra utility you can squeeze out of spellblade is that Gong strike (despite the ludicrous 30s cd) can apply Extreme poison if you use the humble Poison rag on your weapon. With a fang shield+shield charge you can apply bleeding (or extreme bleeding with Legacied fang shield) and the Ice imbue (Cold potions are very cheap to make) can slow your opponent enough to secure win by attrition. And all that, right at the start of the game. Easy access to common but super useful debuffs. Too bad bleed and poison become less useful the further you go in the game. Noone should be completely immune to the extreme versions of those debuffs. Sad.

@@SheenShots Something extra, Mana recovery 3(the highest) is 0.25% of your mana, whereas the Philosopher passive is 0.34 flat. You have to have more than 136 mana for the food buff to give as much as the breakthrough passive. Since casters go for 40-60 mana and lots of mana reduction, Leyline connection restores double the mana they would get from food. Which is why it feels sooo powerful a passive. But with hex mage and the dead tired debuff synergy, Philosopher feels like a wasted breakthrough if you dont use chakrams or the ice sigil.

This works very very well. Now I haven't tried the exact set up, but I did run the Ornate chakram with that enchant. That alone is very strong, and then totems are honestly too strong on their own. Combine them together and you are unstoppable. Chakrams work great with totems since they can hit them, and not needing jinx is always a plus. Jinx is actually a really "lame" skill once you get into hexes because its so unreliable. The chakram, totem, hex combo is like the ultimate sandwich. Squishing everything that has good synergy into one powerful build.

​@@SheenShots Glad to hear we have the same opinions. I've run it myself and managed to recently finish the sirocco questline and cleared the game with it, and I have to say the only downside I have is running into the last boss (no spoiler here) where I found that rainbow hex works better than Sunfall Axe because it applies hexes a lot quicker for torment/rupture rotations and drums required too much kiting considering the bullet hell esque fight. All in all, I ran 60-70% of my game with 5 hex no jinx, and I have to say that there are 0 qualms except that I preferred to take shamanic resonance over leyline connection (blade dance skill from breakthrough is not that good when you can use the other two t1 chakram skills, and it allows an extra slot for your drums/mega healing pot) just for optimized elemental damage with Shamanic resonance's boon buff & Infuse Wind for quickly applying hexes on a single target as your secondary weapon with the Rainbow Hex sword. The antique garb enchantment for mana reduction really makes a difference where taking leyline connection isn't considerably THAT worth it. Shimmer Potion + Brains Passive + Alchemical Experimentation + (if you want you can use Lockwell's Revelation Passive) makes your elemental damage skyrocket to the roof. This was by far my most exciting playthrough, and probably the best optimization of 5 hex no jinx + rainbow hex for the average player.

I've been thinking about a Primal Ritualist, Cabal Hermit, and maybe Philosopher, with Fire Affinity. Using pistols, Gep's Blade, and maybe Ornate Chakram for Musing of a Philosopher. With this build you would have - 50 Fire resistance, - 50 Lightning resistance and - 50 Ethereal resistance, and always doing light fire and ethereal damage. Even is a MOB got 100% resist to one of the three ,that only going to be 50% resist to a third of you damage.

so you become the gunslinger of the wind Im just going to write that down as a character idea

That is one of my favorite builds of which I will link down below. Hope you enjoy! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdl6ddB5tdendas.html

Blue and Purple are often not on my hotbar if I am not using the trap. Protection is a one time use anyway so its not really needed mid fight usually.

Wind Sigil doesn't come closer, it's way better than Sigil of Ice, I would even say Sigil of Ice doesn't come close to Wind Sigil. Sigil of Ice's only real good spell is the Frost explosion, Lightning Spark is still better because of its immediate cooldown. And I totally disagree with your opinion on Conjure, Conjure+Wind Sigil is REALLY, REALLY good. You can cast it outside of the Sigil, so it's very easy to cast it from range and way before the enemy can even reach you. It's very powerful, and again, it's not that slow, especially when you can cast it from range and plan it ahead. Neither Frost ball or the Frost Kick compare in any way to the spells offered by the other Sigils. And, more importantly Wind Sigil is free, unlike Ice Sigil. I am not saying Ice Sigil is useless, it's functional if you want to use it, but there is no contest, Wind Sigils is far superior in any way and even has great synergy with Fire and Blood Sigil.

@@SeventhheavenDK what's your argument opposing my claim: "Ice Sigil is most damaging Sigil in the game" ? Do you have numbers ? I do. 1) Sigil of Wind has no cost - that's a manipulation. It's the only sigil with cool down and it needs active Totem in the location. Good luck with positioning of the wind sigil in the right spot, where any other sigil you can place multiple in different positions. 2) Sigil Synergy. Ice and Blood sigils main attack skill is Mana Push. No Spark synergies. Mana ward is a big Frost explosion and Frost, Physical and Decay damage buff. 3) Lightning Spark is a close range explosion, where both Frost push and Blood Tendrils are long range. 4) Good luck casting Lightning strikes vs bosses. Especially those who kite you from a distance or with fast attack patterns.

And slow down is actually really good. You don't notice how useful it is until you are not using it. I think Spell Blades main problem is the breakthrough. It offers a little tease but nothing major.

Ignore me just saw your runic guide holy smokes

Lol I got ya. Geps blade is among the strongest weapons in the game. If you want my list here is a rough off the top of my head thing: Skycrown Manticore Greatmace Dreamer Halberd Gep's Blade Tokebakacite I have a guide for each of these except the manticore greatmace of which is in my monster hunter build. I know you didn't ask for it, but in case you were interested there are some other amazing options you might want to look into.

I actually just realize the damage bonuses were for frost lmao so skycrown and this seems amazing paired up with the infuse frost skill unless there's a better weapon I can shoot for over skycrown

That is Gep's Blade. I actually made a video on how to get it if you are interested, but this effect is on the weapon by default. Which makes it both really strong and really cool. Glad you enjoyed he vid!

I agree this would have made more sense and looked a lot better. Unfortunately I just did not have the footage at the time.

I know it's a dead discussion but if you consider full trees and how powerful they can make builds without making your life too painful: 1. Cabal hermit - one of the best passives useful for every build and infuse wind is one of the best general purpose infusions. It increases swing speed by ~20% while other infusion will give you around extra 25-35% extra damage (it's not so straightforward when you account buffs). It also doesn't require any boons - just a bit of mana. 2. Philosopher - Specifically cheap chakram skills. They can stagger anyone giving you free hits on ~8s cooldown. This is good enough to kill bosses and mobs alike. But I agree that post breakthrough skills are mediocre 3. Hex mage - Blood Leech alone will take almost 50% of any enemy HP. Apply it 3 times to kill any boss in the game. And constant HP/Stamina/Mana regen trivializes dungeon cleaning and traveling. Then add rapture and revelation. 4. Mercenary - specifically pre-breakthrough skills. Shatter bullet with any 2h weapon (or mace) trivializes everything except few bosses. 13 pistols with frost bullet can kill almost any boss as well. Armor training is an amazing extra. 10% speed is ok and marathoner is redundant late game with good food and water. Shields are mediocre overall and blood bullets destroy your guns. 5. Engineer - again it's so high due to cheap dagger skills and in some cases traps. Traps can kill any non-arena enemy. They are expensive without breakthrough, so you should use them only for some harder enemies. Dagger skills have high damage and stagger so they are good against harder enemies. Sweep helps against simpler mobs. ---First 5 trees are so powerful that they arguably don't need any other breakthroughs to easily finish all content 6. Warrior monk - video describes it in details. It's one of the best secondary trees 7. Rune sage - Runes require a lot of mana while giving mediocre DPS. Mines are slow and hard to buff, summoned weapons have poor stagger potential. They do trivialize easy mobs but so can do any good halberd, claymore, hammer, greataxe with infuse wind. Basically spells like extra defense and healing are the best parts. 8. Speedster - it's a pain to maintain alertness and requires other skill trees in 90% of the cases. It also harshly limits weapon selection. It's still a very powerful option if you are ready for challenge 9. Hunter - Extra HP and good skills with slow cooldown. Nothing special but also nothing bad 10. Primal Ritualist - Yes it's a good option for extra defense IF enemy wants to come close to you. It also can give you extra DPS IF you can attack your enemy while also hitting instruments. But cooldown is awful, instruments take space in backpack, you can easily loose them if you die, it takes time to set them up. And if you don't use instruments you only get measly 7 barrier from this tree (90% of the time worse than 40 HP from hunter). As you can see it has a lot of extra IFs and downsides compared to other trees 11. Spellblade - Shields are mediocre and varnishes are usually better than infusions it provides. If you want to have infusion 100% of the time - grab cabal with wind infusion. Elemental discharge destroys your durability and has very slow animation. I treat it as a noob-trap tree

​@@Dzimko-rc2io. Mmmm, no, I still prefer Sheen's list.

@@SeventhheavenDK that's fine. I won't say that his list is outright bad. It's just based on his feeling and preferences. If he checked math on stagger and dps, checked how many ranged bosses and enemies you face in this game, compared sustainability - he would get a different list.

Hex mage, cabal hermit together already give you load of power. I think you have two solid options. Philosopher if you want nearly infinite mana. Or warrior monk if you want some more defense and stamina to work with. Both greatly benefit mage gameplay overall its just how you decide to play it really.

Gep's blade is a unique sword that has that ability tied to it. Its really strong and fun to use.

That is actually a sword called Gep's Blade. It is one of the best weapons in the game and if you want to know how to get it, I did make a guide for it. Somewhat tough to get at times, but an extremely fun weapon.

@@SheenShots oh damn ok cool! Thanks for replying, been watching a lot of your vids to learn stuff

That is Gep's Blade from over in Caldera. It just does that blast on hits and is awesome.

3 i think

before breakthrough you can pick skills from all trees, but you can only break through with 3 per character

That is a weapon called Gep's Blade. It can be looted in Caldera (I have a video on how to get it) and it normally does those blasts. Probably one of the best weapons in the game.

@@SheenShots Can you access Caldera pre-main story completion or do I need to complete the main story line first?

I love the skill because it also deals some good impact letting you get in and stagger quickly after it goes off. Unfortunanlty you are correct and the damage isn't as high as we might want. They really went all in with the skill being Spellblade. It works very well in sync with other things but on its own can't match up with magic like sigils.

Yes. It is called the BOOM build. Here is the link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdl6ddB5tdendas.html

@@SheenShots thanks man

Search of geps blade on youtube. Takes some effort to get but extremely powerful.

All in a playlist in the channel "home"

True, I honestly didn't think about it at the time, but it would have been an excellent opportunity.

If your PC can run it go for pc. Load times are way faster on PC and you have a lot more freedom to mod ad stuff like that. If you end up wanting to.

NineDots has stated they are done updating Outward. At this point they have added a few updates here and there to fix things and it is unlikely they will do much else with it.

That is Gep's Blade. I have a video on my channel on how to get it and its one of the best weapons in the game. That effect is just on it.

@@SheenShots Thanks You. Lately, My verified methoth for check a guide is good is if it is made by you.

I just made the build video if you are still interested: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdl6ddB5tdendas.html

Gep's Blade. One of the cheapest endgame weapon, or is the cheapest.

Gep's Blade. Go ahead and search it up on KZfaq for a guide that I made to get it. Actually one of the more unique and interesting weapons in the game that also has a lot of power. Does require the thee brothers DLC or Definitive Edition but well worth it.

Most people do choose kazite spellblade as it is the first one you find. If used correctly it is still extremely strong and good when paired with other skill trees. However gong strike is in fact one of the worst spells in the game. I always see people using it when they first start out, but its just not good. Much lower damage than other options and gets rid of the imbue. You also have a longer animation time when using it which means getting hit often. I much prefer elemental discharge.