I like the backend of the new 86 a lot more than the old FRS. If they kept the old FRS front end and the new 86 back, it would have been perfect.
@toreclipsian7 жыл бұрын
All the differences are: Front bumper Steering wheel Alcantara dash board oh wait i forgot and +1 Hp
@skynation55387 жыл бұрын
RAN_ doomer lol every hp counts lmfao
@TheWProductions2225 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that Toyota owned scion
@647killa7 жыл бұрын
It must be said- the FRS had a better looking front fascia than the GT86. Everything else is better in the GT86. The BRZ is still a better buy than both if you want more 'toys.' Still hoping that either company gives this car at least 30 whp more and 30 Ft-lbs
@danmancino227 жыл бұрын
BimmerMann It's not a GT86
@TheStuntastik7 жыл бұрын
Its badged as the GT86 in foreign markets. Same car though.
@charlesz252 жыл бұрын
Well this aged well
@ZephyrCorsa7 жыл бұрын
I miss the tC, it was a cool little car.
@jeph03097 жыл бұрын
So much hate for the new 86 front bumper.. I honestly thought it looked bad when I saw it in pictures, but I just bought one and in real life this car is gorgeous (bright red with TRD springs and TRD catback). Of course you won't win any drag races, but the car is fun, rewarding and feels fast when you push it at the limits, and that is way more important in my opinion than straight power. Traded the FiST for this 86, and no regrets here.
@TienDaEditor7 жыл бұрын
agreed, the bumper doesn't translate well on camera but looks really good in person. Looks way more aggressive than the old one imo and less of a "ricer" look.
@jeph03097 жыл бұрын
More torquey indeed :P. Honestly it felt faster but wasn't that much faster, assuming you're using the right gear in the 86. If I had to summarize the differences, I would say the FiST is more direct (better turn-in, more aggressive brakes, big torque) and more fun while the 86 feels more natural and rewarding (better ergonomics, RWD, low CoG, etc). I made a little post on reddit where I try to explain the differences if you're interested: www.reddit.com/r/ft86/comments/6wcfq5/traded_the_fist_for_an_86/
@jeph03097 жыл бұрын
Yes It had lift-off oversteer. It made some interesting moments at the track, it was fun for sure! But if you try to foor it mid-corner, it will understeer a little.
@jeph03097 жыл бұрын
The fiesta has a noticeably worse ride than the 86 believe it or not :P, because of the rear twist beam, the tire profile and the suspension setup. And the seat are way more aggressive than those in the twins.
@jeph03097 жыл бұрын
A little worse than the frs, and I have lowering springs on my 86! lol but it isn't a deal breaker, they are comparable. I think the biggest difference is the independent rear suspension in the frs vs the twist beam in the FiST
@MattJ2417 жыл бұрын
I actually like the new front bumper! Lol
@victorandres_37136 жыл бұрын
me 2
@tastywatermelonhead49243 жыл бұрын
I dont really like it too much i like the 2013 version a lot better but a mix of both without those fang things would be neat
@righteousjuice24732 жыл бұрын
It looks like typical corolla lol
@JFXtreme967 жыл бұрын
Not a lot of people notice it, but the 2017 86 has a different rear bumper as well. It's has extra lines/curves
@flywithhuddy7 жыл бұрын
I would prefer a GT-86
@mindxshook7 жыл бұрын
Anything 86, I click
@3kbaby8236 жыл бұрын
86 looks so damn good
@victorandres_37136 жыл бұрын
yeah it does some people like the frs but i like the 86
@knifetoucher7 жыл бұрын
I actually think the 2013 looks better than the 2017.
@kyledillon21497 жыл бұрын
HUGE JACKEDMAN same
@chrispoland36377 жыл бұрын
"actually"
@Compaxius6 жыл бұрын
HUGE JACKMAN cause the 2017 86 reminds me getting a AE88
@RantTherapist6 жыл бұрын
I think you didn't notice that the newer rims cave out and are angled out, which looks way better, the older ones seem just more or less straight.
@sanjs57967 жыл бұрын
Love the 86 headlights but I would just swap that bumper with the FRS bumper
@JustACarGuyNamedTom7 жыл бұрын
My dealer pushed an 86 hard to me the other day since it's one of the very few cars light enough to be towed behind my 4 cylinder Tacoma. Toyota has come a long way since 2013 for sure (I have a 2013 Tacoma) and even farther in the last decade when it comes to making better, more exciting cars
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
TacoTom it has I just wished Toyota has thrown the inline 4 instead or even a reworked 2ZZGE with DI would kick ass on this car.
@ShepShepFT867 жыл бұрын
2017=All the cosmetic mods you would put on the 13 FRS.
@blvdes3 жыл бұрын
Literally
@situazionauta3 жыл бұрын
the exact opposite for me :D
@JR007x7 жыл бұрын
awesome, thanks matt...i've been waiting for this comparison...much needed.
@Randomguy862047 жыл бұрын
You would have to be an idiot to purchase a brand new 2017 86 when you can just get a slightly used 2013 model for about 50% of the price that is probably already modified.
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
Mike it's a tough trade off if you can find a unmolested bone stock great.
@Xehanortlw6 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda digging the 2013 86 look then the 2017 model
@szouftz7 жыл бұрын
Velocity Orange is gorgeous. Unless that orange is called something else in the states to what it's called in Australia.
@nikolaivargas7 жыл бұрын
thank you for making the intro better than last time
@doriangray23477 жыл бұрын
The overall ratio of the rear increased, plus the 5/5 hp and torque. It is noticeable if you actually have enough money to buy and own one vs 96% of the replies on here.
@gaivoron7 жыл бұрын
FRS will age little better, that GT86 bumper is little too aggressive.
@bradenmchenry9957 жыл бұрын
Vanneker *hideous* would be a better word to describe it
@newchangeunlisted_viewer55944 жыл бұрын
Probably
@j-maoh20863 жыл бұрын
angry fish
@geoffcarsten10313 жыл бұрын
@@bradenmchenry995 beautiful even better
@Nsmx-mr5rf7 жыл бұрын
Great comparo. I don't remember seeing you driving cars and talking about them while in motion, but section looked fantastic. You should consider that in future vids!
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that section was filmed for my standalone review of the 86 that I posted last week.
@adamfritz71387 жыл бұрын
Matt are you able to get your hands on the 860 edition? I would love to hear your opinion on that Vs the new 86. I just bought the supernova orange 860 and it's spectacular! Keep up the great work dude
@MrGaMeR777DP7 жыл бұрын
Good video! You should do more comparisons in the future!
@antidemonic8064 жыл бұрын
I agree they could have kept going with it
@arch417powersports7 жыл бұрын
2013 looks way better.
@leroyjenkins3007 жыл бұрын
archinuk417 go eat some more crayons, fucknut.
@MyGoToUserName6 жыл бұрын
The 17's front end revision looks much better in person. With a small lip underneath the bumper, it really pops.
@kryptkeeper4575 жыл бұрын
I agree. Especially the front. Also the opposed pistons is cool. Please don’t eat crayons.
@garyaesthetics Жыл бұрын
You prob like fat chicks too
@KevCo957 жыл бұрын
Super informative thanks Matt!!
@TheJosephayal6 жыл бұрын
Looks better than the boring nissan gtr
@victorandres_37136 жыл бұрын
i like the 86 better but its just my opinion
@aBMWEnthusiast6 жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that my wife’s 2014 86 (Japanese model) has push to start and digital A/C controls. Surely those features are available in the U.S. market on the 2018 models.
@Alex-bj7ot2 жыл бұрын
2015 and under is my favorite body style 🤷🏼♂️
@bishoygebrael70787 жыл бұрын
I test drove the BRZ and loved it, the problem is I currently drive a 2016 manual camaro ss and just wasn't convinced with the power the BRZ had. I think it just needs 50 more HP which I think is what this car needs. I know everyone says this car is meant for back roads and track driving. While that is true how many brz/86 owners use their cars at those places. So let's hope for at least a 50 hp upgrade.
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Well it depends where you live. Most of my local roads are quite windy so a great handling car is a lot of fun. Anywhere in the middle of the country with all straight roads the 86 wouldn't shine. If you're looking for something smaller that handles similar to a BRZ with more power, consider the BMW M2. If the muscle cars didn't exist, there's a good chance I'd own one of those.
@bishoygebrael70787 жыл бұрын
Matt Maran Motoring very true, I forgot to mention that I really just wanted to test drive the BRZ just to experience it not to trade my camaro, I love my camaro however I agree with you regarding the M2 such an amazing car. Thanks for replying.
@012_ljk5 жыл бұрын
My 2012 uk came with LED daytime running headlights, sat nav system, duel climate control, heated seats, keyless entry and push button start. The 2017 one in the video was lacking in most of these.
@philippe52494 жыл бұрын
86/brz in Europe comes in higher trim levels. They are also more expensive
@drunkpolack76127 жыл бұрын
i thought this was a doug demuro video for a second
@DUNEATV7 жыл бұрын
Nice review Matt
@JesseCarmichaelAutos7 жыл бұрын
Been here since the original BRZ vs. FR-S comparison
@dannyjr28046 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to get my 2018 86 next year when I graduate 😈
@GamingUser043 жыл бұрын
did that ever happen?
@RenzAzn2747 жыл бұрын
Could we get a same style vid on the 2015 wrx vs the 2017?
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
I'd do the 2018 and the 2015 but unfortunately I don't know anyone with a stock 2015 nearby.
@TheBTRGarage7 жыл бұрын
I had a 2013 FRS, loved the look. Not a fan of the 86 look, especially the front bumper. So, I bought a 2017 BRZ instead! Looks great :)
@JEgkt7 жыл бұрын
catfish vs arapaima look
@JEgkt7 жыл бұрын
amazon fish
@LnR4Humanity7 жыл бұрын
Really dig the 86.
@joshvaz007 жыл бұрын
still think you should make a video comparing the turbo and supercharged brz/frs. I'm sure it'd get plenty of views
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Both of the ones I reviewed were from out of town, so getting them together at the same time is always tough. This one was easy to do since I had the 86 for a full week and my friend lives locally and owns the FR-S.
@porschegt23467 жыл бұрын
Anyone that says the old model looks better than the new model owns an old model
@BRIANBOBCHAPMAN7 жыл бұрын
COOL All the Differences Between the 2017 86 and the 2013 FR-S!
@TuTioRafa Жыл бұрын
Is the front bumper convertible? Like a successful conversion?
@canto_v127 жыл бұрын
Those little underbite "fangs" on the 2017 are just too much. Otherwise not much to take issue with, and really glad that the US also gets the 86 name. It's just so much more appealing than Scion.
@markyazurin63046 жыл бұрын
Is the 2013 FRS reliable? I've heard many stories that they aren't and what are some things to watch out for, for the 2013's?
@consciousa6145 Жыл бұрын
Heard anything? Thinkin of buying that for my sis
@markyazurin6304 Жыл бұрын
@@consciousa6145 I ended up holding off and got a 2018 BMW m4 instead and a 98 integra gsr, and an Acura TL 04 within 3 years. I do have friends who have the car and it's reliable as long as you're on top of maintenance. But for a daily I'd recommend getting a Honda/Acura for peace of mind as it ways easier to work on and maintain and you can beat on it. I daily a Honda CRV 2021 fully loaded and I put 20k miles a year on my daily cars. Like you, I have a younger sis too, so its best to get them something more safe as all. All Hondas now come with standard safety features as well. If they want a more "expensive car" in the future, I'd say they should start off with a Honda first to gain more behind the wheel experience as well. No matter what a 2013 is still a good option but keep in mind its a 10 year old car with barely any safety features and is less modern now. When purchasing a car always keep account for maintenance records, do a test drive, and inspect the whole car. Good luck on the search for a car and stay safe!
@consciousa6145 Жыл бұрын
@@markyazurin6304 Whoa bro just whoa, Those some nice of some cars..Thanks so much for this input took it all into consideration&landed her inside a SE Camry 2018 I soon would want to see her ina sports of some sort. so tempted but don’t not know how she’ll treat th
@chrisorr40876 жыл бұрын
2016 FRS is the best!
@Buyetrain6 жыл бұрын
my 86 have a sport and snow additional mode and you forgot the rear view camera
@vcmusik7 жыл бұрын
I know only the MT version has the upgraded red intake manifold and revised final gear ratio, but what about the exhaust manifold? Is that exclusive to the manual as well?
@P4KP17 жыл бұрын
as far as i know the AT remains unchanged, except for the cosmetics
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Automatics don't get any of the engine improvements, just the styling and interior changes. I'm guessing the auto might get the suspension changes but I'm not even sure about that.
@GmoneyMozart7 жыл бұрын
And the name change finally happens.
@royalericc6 жыл бұрын
So is it better to buy a 13 Frs since it’s basically the same thing?
@timruskowski49237 жыл бұрын
I wish they had a bigger engine
@DawnDimension7 жыл бұрын
Which one is the best of the BRZ, FRS, and the TOYOTA86?
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Depends on preference, but I still love the BRZ the best.
@paulosicne58037 жыл бұрын
IDK what Toyota was thinking, but the new 86 styling doesn't compare to the Scion's styling at all. I'm looking for a low mileage first gen. Release series right now.
@dreamimage1736 жыл бұрын
Why is this so hard to understand?! Scion didn't make the FR-S! In 2012, the Toyota 86/Toyota GT86 and Scion FR-S were released to the whole world. But why were there 3 names in 2012? Because Toyota gave the U.S. and Canada the bootleg name, Scion FR-S but gave everyone else (Japan, China, Philippines, Russa, India, France, Australia, you name it...) the Toyota 86 or Toyota GT86 name. Toyota created the car and designed it both in 2012 and the refresh in 2017. Scion had nothing to do with it's design. It was all Toyota! The design of the car was by Toyota.The Scion FR-S was a Toyota designed car, ...with a Scion badge.
@COMEONalreadytaken6 жыл бұрын
Werent you the kid obsessed with the BRZ a few years ago?
@ChowDownDetroit7 жыл бұрын
The FR-S front fascia looks better than the 86
@Jeffehry7 жыл бұрын
people never agree with me on that
@kotarojujo27377 жыл бұрын
ChowDownDetroit [Seoung Lee] *old gt86, because frs basically are toyota gt86
@frs27686 жыл бұрын
Wut
@larmishing6 жыл бұрын
hachi roku no, the Fr-s was made by Scion (which was owned by Toyota), and the 86 is a Toyota
@ClellBiggs6 жыл бұрын
They're all made by Subaru in the same factory.
@toobaka4 жыл бұрын
I think the vertical bolt that holds the forward part of the front lower control arms are wider in diameter. Can anyone confirm?
@FallenJustice7 жыл бұрын
The 2017 is supposed to have the screen in the with the gauges near the RPMs...
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
Justice for NA you need to get the 860 SE version while Asia, Europe, Middle East gets those standard.
@aydrme89507 жыл бұрын
Nice Vid!
@raedhawili21645 жыл бұрын
can i upgrade from 2013 to 2017 front look and rear lights? it will fit?
@fastandfun63767 жыл бұрын
Rip subaruwrxfan
@smilebro1007 жыл бұрын
You should do this with the mustang
@jxn00103 жыл бұрын
Did they fix the engine problems with the 2017
@integrafreak17 жыл бұрын
Red in engine bay does increase HP
@TheSchnitzelable3 жыл бұрын
4.3 FD vs 4.1 in the old one in manuals
@dustyadams36384 жыл бұрын
Which one best brz or frs ?? Brz its have any issues or no .
@method5267 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid. I'm hoping someone will release a video about if the TRD parts are worth it/comparable to the BRZ Performance Package.
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Well they address different things. The BRZ Performance Package only upgrades the brakes and dampers. This 86 I drove had the TRD exhaust, lowering springs and sway bars. Personally I never thought the BRZ brakes were awful, so I think the TRD parts on the 86 made a bigger difference and were more useful on the street.
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
Matt Maran Motoring the beauty of the 86 is how little you really need to do to enjoy the car messing around with the suspension really kills the fun of the car unless your hardcore tracking it.
@method5267 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input, Matt! I wonder if TRD brake pads are worth it? Hmmmm
@SyndxHD3 жыл бұрын
can u swap the 2017 86 front bumper with the 2013 frs?
@Maxmotor20086 жыл бұрын
Man the Americans get a raw deal with the 86, in the UK climate control, the knee padding and just the general quality is waaay better than the stock 86 and FRS.
@NorthFloridaMan5 жыл бұрын
Greet video man
@saulespino25106 жыл бұрын
I thougjt I heard that the newer cars have different gearimg on the rear axle or something.
@cyberspd7 жыл бұрын
What the heck does 5 extra horsepower do lol?...My sons gokart has more horsepower than that.
@springsted4207 жыл бұрын
Genesis coupe vs special edition gt86?
@fungalex33435 жыл бұрын
what about final drive?
@samlung27247 жыл бұрын
One has a scion badge and the other has a Toyota badge
@VqVick7 жыл бұрын
You gotta start hitting the gym, man. That gut is starting to come through the shirt
@alexrain11883 жыл бұрын
The 5 hp and torque come from a shorter gear ratio.
@rashhh20242 жыл бұрын
Dose 2019 the side wing fit to 2014?
@usernamealreadytaken7707 жыл бұрын
I think the new 86 looks fine but IMO, the best looking is the BRZ. BRZ looks more aggressive with the different small details than the FRS/86. And the BRZ is surprisingly rare where I live whereas the FRS/86 are way more common.
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
Samuel Wu prices for the FRS on used market is really reasonable for what your getting the BRZ's are staying in hands of more matured responsible owners. For refinements BRZ is where it at.
@MikeJones-in3uk6 жыл бұрын
you have a mustang and the 86 ?
@garryibbetson99126 жыл бұрын
my new 86 has different fuel gauge to this new one
@kyledillon21497 жыл бұрын
What about the brz?
@schwesterharry7 жыл бұрын
Do you drive in Flip flops?
@ldylkr5 жыл бұрын
Geeezzzz, someone doesn't like the FRS. 😏
@abdullahahmed89835 жыл бұрын
Toyota nice brand all in the world
@SpyderRios7 жыл бұрын
I never really cared for the looks of the FRS but I never found the car ugly. The 86 though that's one ugly front end. A bump of 5 horses is welcome but laughable.
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
SpyderRios it would've been justifiable if they gave it a 2.2 displacement at least it would improve overall powerband of the car. Honestly it was the final drive of the MT that made a better difference.
@oyurcha17 жыл бұрын
What about chassis improvements, are there any?
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
oyurcha1 some chassis stiffening on areas of the body for less body flexing, suspension wise minor tweaks into shocks and springs that's not as harsh as the 13-16 models more liveable for DD.
@oyurcha17 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Thank you Rain Santiago, I was hoping to hear exactly where those chassis stiffening points are. If I would to start thinking about using a car for the track, chassis dynamics and strength is one of the most important things to consider. Reinforcing the chassis is not fun. :)
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
oyurcha1 yep but I wouldn't rule out getting a used 13-16 models the aftermarket for suspension on these cars is massive though I would choose reputable companies like Eibach, Bilstein, Cusco, Ohlins.
@0501marcos5 жыл бұрын
I’ll go both Scion and Toyota cause scion is from Toyota
@TheWProductions2225 жыл бұрын
They are same car and same company
@Pharaoh_The_Great5 жыл бұрын
It’s just so tiny and cramped inside the car though
@Jacobk667 жыл бұрын
Did they design these cars 15 years ago? There's nothing about them that's really modern. I mean nothing. Their engine pretty much is the same Subaru has been using for over a decade. The interior isn't as nice or updated as my '06 Legacy was and doesn't really have any tech to speak of
@iheartgs4007 жыл бұрын
Jake Kennedy the car is literally a throwback to how sport compacts performed during the late 90's 2000 that gave you analog response in handling and overall interior simplicity. I grew up with those cars during that car and of many that drive or own these cars it's enough. Well the FA20 motor itself is from the XV/Impreza with DI
@TheIrishPhantom7 жыл бұрын
The new 86 is ughhgly af. The only improvement is that sweet ass wrinkle red intake manifold.
@P4KP17 жыл бұрын
which the subaru brz has too so.. id go with the brz
@kyledillon21497 жыл бұрын
P4K - League Shorts same
@RyGuyTheAVGuy7 жыл бұрын
so much want
@topend22826 жыл бұрын
Frs looks better, minus the scion badge hahaha
@reptarthetrx24087 жыл бұрын
Matt, seriously Subaru sells maybe 1,000 of these a month so who gives a crap about the differences?
@MattMaranMotoring7 жыл бұрын
Probably the 1,000 people that are buying them, along with everyone else that's considering whether it's worth buying new or getting a used one.
@2781dricht5 жыл бұрын
A year later, but 62,000 views, so apparently a few more than a 1000 haha. Nice vid, thanks. Purchased a 17' 86 last July and love it!
@moe80247 жыл бұрын
At 1:36 can you spot the swastika on the corner of the headlights lol