Death is also healthier than meth.

If you consume the same amount, sure.

Good fact to know, thank you 😁

Indeed

RAN_ doomer lol every hp counts lmfao

Don't forget that Toyota owned scion

BimmerMann It's not a GT86

Its badged as the GT86 in foreign markets. Same car though.

Well this aged well

agreed, the bumper doesn't translate well on camera but looks really good in person. Looks way more aggressive than the old one imo and less of a "ricer" look.

More torquey indeed :P. Honestly it felt faster but wasn't that much faster, assuming you're using the right gear in the 86. If I had to summarize the differences, I would say the FiST is more direct (better turn-in, more aggressive brakes, big torque) and more fun while the 86 feels more natural and rewarding (better ergonomics, RWD, low CoG, etc). I made a little post on reddit where I try to explain the differences if you're interested: www.reddit.com/r/ft86/comments/6wcfq5/traded_the_fist_for_an_86/

Yes It had lift-off oversteer. It made some interesting moments at the track, it was fun for sure! But if you try to foor it mid-corner, it will understeer a little.

The fiesta has a noticeably worse ride than the 86 believe it or not :P, because of the rear twist beam, the tire profile and the suspension setup. And the seat are way more aggressive than those in the twins.

A little worse than the frs, and I have lowering springs on my 86! lol but it isn't a deal breaker, they are comparable. I think the biggest difference is the independent rear suspension in the frs vs the twist beam in the FiST

me 2

I dont really like it too much i like the 2013 version a lot better but a mix of both without those fang things would be neat

It looks like typical corolla lol

yeah it does some people like the frs but i like the 86

HUGE JACKEDMAN same

"actually"

HUGE JACKMAN cause the 2017 86 reminds me getting a AE88

TacoTom it has I just wished Toyota has thrown the inline 4 instead or even a reworked 2ZZGE with DI would kick ass on this car.

Literally

the exact opposite for me :D

Mike it's a tough trade off if you can find a unmolested bone stock great.

Vanneker *hideous* would be a better word to describe it

Probably

angry fish

@@bradenmchenry995 beautiful even better

Thanks, that section was filmed for my standalone review of the 86 that I posted last week.

I agree they could have kept going with it

archinuk417 go eat some more crayons, fucknut.

The 17's front end revision looks much better in person. With a small lip underneath the bumper, it really pops.

I agree. Especially the front. Also the opposed pistons is cool. Please don’t eat crayons.

You prob like fat chicks too

Well it depends where you live. Most of my local roads are quite windy so a great handling car is a lot of fun. Anywhere in the middle of the country with all straight roads the 86 wouldn't shine. If you're looking for something smaller that handles similar to a BRZ with more power, consider the BMW M2. If the muscle cars didn't exist, there's a good chance I'd own one of those.

Matt Maran Motoring very true, I forgot to mention that I really just wanted to test drive the BRZ just to experience it not to trade my camaro, I love my camaro however I agree with you regarding the M2 such an amazing car. Thanks for replying.

86/brz in Europe comes in higher trim levels. They are also more expensive

did that ever happen?

I'd do the 2018 and the 2015 but unfortunately I don't know anyone with a stock 2015 nearby.

amazon fish

Both of the ones I reviewed were from out of town, so getting them together at the same time is always tough. This one was easy to do since I had the 86 for a full week and my friend lives locally and owns the FR-S.

Heard anything? Thinkin of buying that for my sis

@@consciousa6145 I ended up holding off and got a 2018 BMW m4 instead and a 98 integra gsr, and an Acura TL 04 within 3 years. I do have friends who have the car and it's reliable as long as you're on top of maintenance. But for a daily I'd recommend getting a Honda/Acura for peace of mind as it ways easier to work on and maintain and you can beat on it. I daily a Honda CRV 2021 fully loaded and I put 20k miles a year on my daily cars. Like you, I have a younger sis too, so its best to get them something more safe as all. All Hondas now come with standard safety features as well. If they want a more "expensive car" in the future, I'd say they should start off with a Honda first to gain more behind the wheel experience as well. No matter what a 2013 is still a good option but keep in mind its a 10 year old car with barely any safety features and is less modern now. When purchasing a car always keep account for maintenance records, do a test drive, and inspect the whole car. Good luck on the search for a car and stay safe!

@@markyazurin6304 Whoa bro just whoa, Those some nice of some cars..Thanks so much for this input took it all into consideration&landed her inside a SE Camry 2018 I soon would want to see her ina sports of some sort. so tempted but don’t not know how she’ll treat th

as far as i know the AT remains unchanged, except for the cosmetics

Automatics don't get any of the engine improvements, just the styling and interior changes. I'm guessing the auto might get the suspension changes but I'm not even sure about that.

Depends on preference, but I still love the BRZ the best.

Why is this so hard to understand?! Scion didn't make the FR-S! In 2012, the Toyota 86/Toyota GT86 and Scion FR-S were released to the whole world. But why were there 3 names in 2012? Because Toyota gave the U.S. and Canada the bootleg name, Scion FR-S but gave everyone else (Japan, China, Philippines, Russa, India, France, Australia, you name it...) the Toyota 86 or Toyota GT86 name. Toyota created the car and designed it both in 2012 and the refresh in 2017. Scion had nothing to do with it's design. It was all Toyota! The design of the car was by Toyota.The Scion FR-S was a Toyota designed car, ...with a Scion badge.

people never agree with me on that

ChowDownDetroit [Seoung Lee] *old gt86, because frs basically are toyota gt86

Wut

hachi roku no, the Fr-s was made by Scion (which was owned by Toyota), and the 86 is a Toyota

They're all made by Subaru in the same factory.

Justice for NA you need to get the 860 SE version while Asia, Europe, Middle East gets those standard.

Well they address different things. The BRZ Performance Package only upgrades the brakes and dampers. This 86 I drove had the TRD exhaust, lowering springs and sway bars. Personally I never thought the BRZ brakes were awful, so I think the TRD parts on the 86 made a bigger difference and were more useful on the street.

Matt Maran Motoring the beauty of the 86 is how little you really need to do to enjoy the car messing around with the suspension really kills the fun of the car unless your hardcore tracking it.

Thanks for the input, Matt! I wonder if TRD brake pads are worth it? Hmmmm

Samuel Wu prices for the FRS on used market is really reasonable for what your getting the BRZ's are staying in hands of more matured responsible owners. For refinements BRZ is where it at.

SpyderRios it would've been justifiable if they gave it a 2.2 displacement at least it would improve overall powerband of the car. Honestly it was the final drive of the MT that made a better difference.

oyurcha1 some chassis stiffening on areas of the body for less body flexing, suspension wise minor tweaks into shocks and springs that's not as harsh as the 13-16 models more liveable for DD.

Yeah, Thank you Rain Santiago, I was hoping to hear exactly where those chassis stiffening points are. If I would to start thinking about using a car for the track, chassis dynamics and strength is one of the most important things to consider. Reinforcing the chassis is not fun. :)

oyurcha1 yep but I wouldn't rule out getting a used 13-16 models the aftermarket for suspension on these cars is massive though I would choose reputable companies like Eibach, Bilstein, Cusco, Ohlins.

Jake Kennedy the car is literally a throwback to how sport compacts performed during the late 90's 2000 that gave you analog response in handling and overall interior simplicity. I grew up with those cars during that car and of many that drive or own these cars it's enough. Well the FA20 motor itself is from the XV/Impreza with DI

which the subaru brz has too so.. id go with the brz

P4K - League Shorts same

Probably the 1,000 people that are buying them, along with everyone else that's considering whether it's worth buying new or getting a used one.

A year later, but 62,000 views, so apparently a few more than a 1000 haha. Nice vid, thanks. Purchased a 17' 86 last July and love it!

No one replied but it’s the 86 logo

@@sugiishappy4455 thank you