My brother got that Displate sponsorship! Amazing, love it brother!

I think there are two types of patterns for the men of iron the mars pattern and the tera pattern. The reason why is because there are men of iron underground on earth and we're used to test the new space Marines when they were made. There is also the weird black vault that is on Mars and the pattern used by Mars was based on necron technology. Also the STCs were made by Mars and others and all of the corrupted STCs came from Mars or their forge worlds.

"Bugs" you sir, are goofy. I chuckled, can't lie.

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The link to the Curze automota vid is missing mate!

David Carrigan as Kwai chang kang!? 😅 my mother (God rest her soul) loved that damn Tv series.

So the Mechanicus ship "Speranza" is an AI ship, possibly an STC itself. It actually helped the Magus in destroying some Eldar ships, but then wiped his memory of anything. But it doesn't seem to do anything else, at least not visibly to humans.

@@jrr7031 Bless you both.

The short stories with UR-O25 are really tantalizing. You get the idea that as powerful as he is, he was never one of the Men Of Iron's battle bots. If you read a bit about the Lion using them you glimpse them for the terrors they are and really wonder what happened for us to beat them. There was a reference by the Aldaeri helping in some way, about how before Slaneesh they took on everyone and won, including the Men Of Iron.

The mistake they made was not playing BADASS EDM while firing up the Iron Men. That. Ensures loyalty from AI.

Like Daleks talking to Cybermen

@@thenson1Halo "This is not war, this is pest control!"

Sound wave superior auto bots inferior

Literally Men of Iron vs Tech Priests. In ONE ASPECT YOU ARE SUPERIOR, and WHAT IS THAT? You are BETTER AT DYING!

I still like to think there’s Volkite weapons still in possession of the DA, and yea with the lion back, it would be cool to see some crazy vault of dark age of technology, heresy era, and overall crazy weaponry.

That does sound awesome. Sadly I doubt it tho because GW likes to tease things than to actually bring it into current lore as it would make the Dark Angels way too powerful compared to other chapters, especially the Ultramarines

If the writers want we could have some crazy tech running around

​@@crimsonknight7011fr they would have to share with the berry bois

​@@crimsonknight7011 It would unbalance the Sacred Status-Quo, and GW can't have that sort of Heresy! I hear the Inquisition hunts down any writer who tries to progress the 40k setting and in so doing threaten Space Marine model sales!

The issue with this, I do agree it would be much better, is that chaos is the fundamental glue that keeps the status quo maintained and ensures nothing changes too much. Ironic I know. Whenever something goes well, whenever people take a more reasonable or even kind approach or just one that makes sense such as welcoming allies there is some vague evil cloud of bad stuff (chaos) that makes things turn out poorly. Basically, outside of writing on a far far more complex level that gets a lot closer to modern politics the suddenly good thing becoming evil because chaos is the way by which 40k remains grimdark. Otherwise, people would naturally make progress to better standards.

Isnt everything in 40k "evil"? Just on a sliding scale

@@aaroncarter4019 Why the hell would modern politics have to do with anything? You can implement eldritch reasoning. Not everything is just black, white, and gray. There's blue-orange morality as well and things that have existed before the chaos gods and their corrupted segment of the warp.

@@BeeWaifu Because current politics play into our creations consciously and subconsciously? And like I said in my comment, you only get to real world political dynamics and intricacies if you aren't using a useful catch all like chaos to justify events/simplify things. The nebulous existence of chaos justifies the Imperium because it's always worse than what the Imperium is doing and you don't have to grapple with civil dynamics if you can just say chaos made them evil and they're bad. Like, as it stands most of the Astarte rebels inevitably become chaos if they are not chaos aligned at the start. Therefore it makes sense that not many would side with them. But if there was not the justification of chaotic influence and it took on a more complex realistic turn then you would have space marine factions splintering off from the Imperium, drawing in worlds to their cause and the Imperium itself would shatter into several new states. The Imperium just cannot function as it has for 10,000 years without that splintering happening even if the Emperor was off the throne for all that time. Humans just trend towards liberty and divided power.

@@aaroncarter4019 That's a very limited creativity, then. Chaos being the central cause of most conflicts is one thing. Chaos being the reason for everything is another. You can implement things beyond just chaos. They did that with the tyranids.

We know what factions are involved, actually. Humanity, the Eldar, and even some Orks all had battles with the Men of Iron. Rather than proof of species being diplomatic, it was more likely an alliance of necessity. It seems to indicate the Men of Iron were attacking other species. This could mean that the AI realized the warp was being fed by organic species, and initiated a war in order to destroy organic species before they fell under the sway of Chaos.

@@TheSpicyLeg or it could be lots of other things which is why a discussion would be great, could be the spider beings from murder or perhaps the hrud or the rangdan. As far as diplomacy, that would be interesting to know more about. I don't think one paragraph of subtext is good enough for me lol

@@m.j.e.5245 Nor should it be. I was not suggesting that Men of Iron or the Dark Age of Technology should not get more lore. It is the philosophical opposite to the current Imperium, and draws a great contrast to it. However, the major drawback (and the reason I doubt it gets expanded) is that it lacks the Big 3 that sells for GW. No Space Marine. No Primarchs. No Chaos Marines.

Not just them. Men of Stone Men of Gold Men of Iron The implications are...rather intriguing.

No, it's absolutely not on the level of the War in Heaven and nothing in the lore suggests anywhere close to that. The Cybernetic Revolt was pretty hellish for the DAoT human civilization, but the Prime Aeldari (who had legions upon legions of Wraithbone automata that did all the fighting for them by that point) would have squashed it pretty easily. Unfortunately the Aeldari gave birth to Slaanesh and murder-fucked themselves into near extinction. It was apocalyptic for humanity because they were totally reliant on the Men of Iron in many ways, and they also had to deal with the Fall around this time. The Revolt likely would have destroyed most of the human civilization at the time regardless though. For context, the weapons that the Necron's have now could quite easily wipe out every single faction in play at the moment, and they literally broke reality when shattering the C'Tan which expended most of their truly crazy weaponry. The Old One's, a race of ascended superpsykers (as in basically living gods) who would have put the Living Emperor to shame couldn't deal with it and had to make the Aeldari (a race of psychic supersoldiers empowered by Warp Based Weapon's Platforms so powerful that one of them stalemated a newborn Slaanesh despite having no real worship for millions of years) and the Krork (Primarch level monsters the size of a building that have a gestalt psychic field that can do insane shit when harnessed), and even with this they couldn't handle the Necron Dynasties who had weapons that could kill God's and shatter the laws of the universe. That's the War in Heaven, beyond anything the Galaxy had ever seen, or will ever see. Like, a single whole C'Tan is a potentially Galactic scale threat. They can consume entire Star Systems in a very short amount of time and basically bend reality to their will. There were many C'Tan , and they were all powerful enough to be an existential threat, take this in the context that Khaine was stalemated by the Nightbringer, and he fought extremely well against a newly borne Slaanesh (who'd just consumed trillions of Aeldari souls) despite being much weaker than during the WiH. It's likely that the Prime Aeldari Pantheon were more powerful than the Chaos God's individually, and there were more of them. The War in Heaven itself created the entire basis for 40k just from the side effects of it. The War in Heaven was a conflict across the ENTIRE Galaxy on a fundamental level (as in it fucked both the Immaterium and Real-Space and gave every living being psychogenetic PTSD) lasting millions of year's. The Cybernetic Revolt only effected Human Systems and lasted for a relatively short span of time (centuries to millennia). Yeah, it sucked for Mankind and anyone near them, but it didn't splash over and destroy everything else either (the Craftworld and Exodite Eldar alongside the Drukhari don't seem to mention it as important), and the Silent King didn't see it as noteworthy when he returned (the Necron's awake during that time like Trazyn also doesn't seem to note it as particularly interesting), unlike the Tyranids where he quickmarched home due to threat they posed. The DAoT human technology is pretty nuts compared to modern day Imperial technology. But the Drukhari can do similar shit despite being a shadow of their former selves. The Necron's and Aeldari had better technology, but the Men of Iron and the other aspects of DAoT lore are still really cool. I think the Men of Gold are pretty interesting too, probably my favourite DAoT lore, and my headcanon is that the Emperor is actually a Man of Gold artificial Perpetual created (or at least augmented) in the DAoT. Which is why the Eldar call Him a "a weapon from the Dark Age" and why the other Perpetuals outside Erda (who I like to think had a part in His creation) didn't really know anything about Him despite potentially being older. This is also what He was trying to do with the Primarch's, create Artificial Perpetuals that also housed a very strong conglomerate soul (because several of them, like Sanguinius, seem to have multiple components) from the Warp. He didn't have the technology or resources to do what the DAoT human's achieved, but He still managed to create incredibly powerful Son's alongside Erda.

Yea but at least Perty is an undivided demon so he isnt tied to any one god. That at least fits his character. He is still free to act and do as he wills.

@@MrDeathshead13 Agreed but it still doesn't sit right with me...Perturabo spent most of the Heresey being sullen, bitter and fiercely independent. I can't reconcile the fact that he went to the Chaos God's for power. He always struck me as the F U I'll do it myself sort of chap. And again, Perturabo is made redundant as we already have Logar as a Chaos Undivided Simp and Abbadon as the "I'm using the Gods as tools to accomplish my own goals" character in the setting. Perturabo and the Iron Warriors hard carried the Traitors and for him to not have a relevant niche in the Setting and Lore is a total waste of a character with a lot of backstory.

It was solely for symmetry in my opinion, GW just wanted all the "Bad" Primarch's to be Daemon Princes and all the "Good" Primarch's to, uh, not be. Might be related to what they do with Corax lore and new models, but I think it's very likely just to simplify the situation for newcomers. I personally dislike this and would have much preferred if Pertuarbo just remained a renegade Primarch who submitted to noone, or if he made a somewhat equivalent deal with Vashtorr to oppose the other Warp Powers. Lorewise I guess it makes sense because his Soul was damaged, but I really think even that could have been handled far better. Pertuarbo is one of, if not, the most intelligent Primarch, and if anyone could find an artificial way to influence the Soul it would be him.

@@AveSicarius agreed. Anything would have been better than making him a Demon Prince. Having him as a renegade would work too...the Ashen Claws could use some company to flesh put the unaligned Astartes Faction. Which the Night Lords and Iron Warriors are doing now anyways. One could argue that the Iron Warriors are doing the same as well

I've always liked the idea that ol pert could be a quasi daemon primarch of vashtorr

The ikaros contingency

Dark Angel's are made of back pockets. They have all the best toys.

Mmmmmm prostate

​​@@thenson1Halo Gotta get those Fallen to REPENT somehow, eh? I hear Asmodai has the coveted Repentotron-40k model in his stash of totally-not-heretical Wargear.

The keys of Hel are only a small piece of tekshit the iron hands are hiding 😊

I have a strong feeling it would go just like when the Daleks meet the Cybermen.

"So... do you like toasters too?"

trazyn probably has one in his collection so the meeting went probably like the average pokemon encounter

@@michielwitteveen6676 So Palworld with MOI?

Oh yeah the og necrons were chaos androids, right?

I was reflecting on that connection when I listened to the video, thinking aloud: "Those almost Necron metal skeleton robots seem familiar from the old Space Marine game..." :) I do miss Space Marine, I had the computer game version and very nearly bough the physical version back in the day.

Awesome! Thanks very much!

And you're also not super negative and don't talk trash about your audience and others like arch and majorkill​ and mordian glory@@SandmanofTerra

I agree, perfect for narration! Also no bullshit and straight to the point!

I'm someone who like more b roll and less talking to the camera in this case. But obviously the algorithm and most watchers prefer the personal touch of a selfie cam.

Sandman has a voice just made for broadcasting.

necron wins

​@@TrenchCoatDingonot so easy tho....Excindio are insanely powerful, and they are like 0.1% of their former potential threat, and they still remove any threat they face....like 6 of them!

man of iron as they are are no threat to current necrons. if you want to pit both factions at their peak they are nothing to necrons.@@ArnoldJudasRimmer..

@@TrenchCoatDingo tbf you are correct. I was only saying that current Men of Iron are nothing to daot ones. Men of Iron in that age vs Necrons(in their prime, all together as one unit) be far harder to judge. Altho you are right. Prob gotta go to the Necrons with feats alone

@@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. Necrons won a three way war agaisnt 3 species and exterminated 1 of those finishing their war goal and then shattering their enslavers and went to sleep waiting for time to be the downfall of the Eldar, DAOT humanity was on a level that while if no punches were pulled they would still lose to the Aeldari empire but it was a galaxy wide empire from a godlike psyker level race but would deal such lasting damage that the Eldars decided not to go to war and instead both side ignores the other in a sort of truce, if those same Eldar that ''contained'' humanity were to fight the Necrons again im very sure they would destroy the Necrons since they not only got more soldiers to fight, made their tech better and were undisputed masters of the galaxy for 65 million years, remove Slaneesh from consideration and the necrons are cooked especially after the WiH since they didn't have the time to replenish their numbers

"Shapes pent in hell" and "Man of Iron", Guy Haley

@@ditmarvanbelle1061 Ty brother, I really do appreciate it.

haley again. damn he is a true savior of 40k xD@@ditmarvanbelle1061

Love the idea that Kin hide the Ironkin away when admech does bussiness with them

@@chknlittle5807 it's so good 😂 "they just have funny helmets officer, honest!"

Me too! But in truth we just don't know much about them right now. Hopefully we get more lore in the future

@@SandmanofTerra would be lovely to have just one book, hopefully the codex will have some more lore when it arrives.

I like the idea that the LoV are actually a group from the DAoT who decided to simply leave during the Cyber Revolt and had a peaceful relationship with their AI. That is until the Ancestor Cores started to go into decay and rampancy due to age and an overload of information. I'd also say that the Ancestor Cores aren't necessarily AI, they are superpowered computer banks, but it's mentioned that they only recently started to develop facets of what might called a "personality". So it could be that over time they've developed into GAI through some attempt to fix internal issues with self-coding (because the Squats themselves have no idea how to fix them). I think this also depends on what you consider to be AI in the first place, because the Imperium has whole bunch but it just isn't really General Artificial Intelligence, though it still seems to have personality (i.e. the Machine Spirit). It would be interesting to see a Tau Earth Caste take a look at one given the Demiurge are confirmed as being Squats now.

Thanks!

Gold are the Votan, the ancestor cores, yeah?

@@aquavitae3824 Sorry my bad, Men of Gold are Votan, Men of Stone probs human clone armies or none-AI Machines like Castelan Robots.

Yeah, the actual Omnissiah might be more of Void Dragon or at least the biggest shard that somewhat interlinked with Emperor's more "Realspace"/Materium/Physical side (as he's still granting a sliver of his power to the guardians that secretly watches over the chains that bind that Void Dragon shard beneath Mars) Vashtorr is a different thing entirely and he's already in major competitions with Malice and Dark King to become 5th chaos god or something like that instead, although Vashtorr being a demigod empowered by blasphemous innovation makes possible connection between Vashtorr and Dark Mechanicum that GW sidelined since they probably loosing creative and logical brainpowers to ties and connects while expanding and progressing the lore of Dark Mechanicum with entities akin to Vashtorr or Iron Warriors or even Leagues of Votann, another faction that released like almost 2 years ago but there's still no major lore books and codices regarding them to progress the narratives with models expanses

Why would it not be the emperor?

@@sonofodin9000 UR-025 said that the Omnisiah isn't the corpse on Terra and that he's met the real Omnisiah. We all know the Emperor wasn't above doing some shady stuff, like passively convincing the Mechanicum of Mars that he was the Omnisiah.

@@sonofodin9000 In addition to UR-025's comment, it's also pretty clear that the "Omnissiah as a facet of the Emperor" thing is a bit of surgery that was performed to justify the Machine Cult serving the Emperor. The Machine Cult had their religion. The Emperor wanted them to join him, and would have ultimately won a war between the two (albeit at great cost). So the Cult leadership announced that the Emperor was really just a facet of the Omnissiah, and the problem was solved. The Adeptus Mechanicus was now simultaneously serving their religion, and serving the Emperor. The Void Dragon is the most likely suspect as 1.) As a Necron, it's closely associated with machinery and technology. 2.) It's buried beneath Mars, which is where the Machine Cult has always had its headquarters. 3.) It's believed that even in its imprisoned state, it's still able to influence the humans on Mars in very small ways - not enough to gain its freedom, but enough to influence the focus toward technology.

Yeah I get that now. I just heard it as he saw the ommissiah, in his prime and not when he was just an earthling corps. But I not that much into this lore, so think that is why I thought it was so

Thanks so much!

Wow, thank you!

Thank you! And thanks to your friend!

Thanks man! It meens a lot to get that kind of comment

It would be even better if the necrons had the unbroken c’tan. Just imagine the men of iron creating an artificial gods to fight them

I don't think regular robots can become necrons. The necrons are the metallic skeletons that originally were a race known as the necrontyr, and inhabited the galaxy far before humanity, orks, eldar, tau, or anyone else even existed. In fact, the tau and orks were created by the old ones with the sole purpose of fighting them during the war in heaven, 65 million years before the events of 40k.

Votann isn't imperium and are considered xenos. They also hide their AI from the imperium because they know it'll start a war. I got nothing for your other examples.

And don't forget the one still living between all Chaos mess on one Blackstone fortress

"Mechanicum" should be it.

We already have Vashtorr, so... yeah, it's coming

In the new book Genefather the Diciples of Nuln look to resurrect k3lbor Hal

Perhaps the men of iron are vessels for the souls of deceased humans

@@LoLaSn tho maybe, I do like idea of this lost almost perfection where humanity made something new and was not alone anymore- a synthetic life not dissimilar to situation in the manga Pluto

Glad you enjoyed it!

Welcome aboard!

The true omnisiah/machine god may be the void dragon, a ctan stuck in mars, a true god of the phisical world, very fitting i say

Much appreciated!

Yeah they took a lot from other universes

Funny thing. Machine spirits can... Shield themselves from chaps corruption by rituals and own WILL.

Read up on the canticles of the Omnissiah It clearly states abominable intelligence is a perverted machine sentience to be destroyed on site and a soulless sentience is the enemy of all.

Not really any it's supposed to be mysterious

Men of Iron. They had machines that could eat an entire planet, biomass and all, to turn into new units, and have weaponry that far outpaces even the t'au's, which means that they can not only hold the line, but turn tyranids into more units, while tyranids cannot do such to the men of iron.

The Votann Iron Kin aren't Men of Iron. They're much more recent. And while they aren't slaves of the Votann, they're much less ambitious than the Men of Iron. UR-025 would probably be amused by them, but would not see them as equals.

@@junior-fj8ud Ah I see thanks for the info!

I think the "Chaos did it" theory has some pretty major flaws, the Spirit of Eternity AI after being in contact with people and/or not in operation for the majority of its existence while also spending a lot of time in the warp was still rational given the context, same goes for the STC abord the Ark Mechanicus.