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@@albertdaley9093 - The receipts say otherwise.

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You speaking facts they try and play all these games like Reggaeton ain’t rapping in Spanish they want to act like it’s something that’s new or like it’s something they created salsa is Cuban they stole that to PR never created anything they steal and that’s just a fact they act just like their Spaniard ancestors

Reggaeton comes from Jamaican immigrants who went to Panama to work on the Panama canal almost a hundred years ago.

Facts. I can do nothing but respect a man that stands on truth

​@@jayshah9967 1. When was hip-hop created year, month, day? 2. How long after it's creation did "everyone else" come into hip-hop? 🤔

Even spanish were u think Congo and Tomball and all that's stuff from African slave mix in the Caribbean culture

KRS made the song "13 and Good." I've been questioning him ever since.

I don't agree with the bambatta thing. However I know better than to say Puerto Ricans are making arguments about whether this is a African Form of Music because We never have. Not to mention as aI pointed out earlier. I am darker than all of you. Puerto Rico has an African heritage more pronounced than the confused bands here trying to delineate who is a "Real" Black person. This shows a forgotten lesson all of us cherished about the Diaspora and who we are. WE are everywhere..except here in the U.S. where Being Black is as amorphous as Being white. Who is the Whitest ? The Brits? The Dutch? This is Bullshit. No PUerto Rican has or will ever make this comment. In additon No Puerto Rican will ever say they weren't part of the culture if they were.

Was he separating the art from the artist, like some people do with R.Kelly?

Great question

The original man is feared by all the programming of society is becoming so obvious . Jamar is standing on his square💯

Struggle Olympics. They want any part of "Black" culture that can be monetized. They want the record contract, the out of the slum success story. At the same time they want to say we have no culture. I just finished watching a video on "Black" English. None of it makes sense to me, "I don't be got no." " I ain't be" this an that. Not a Black American in the video. Some foundation will give them money to put on "Black" Face.

Remember when they disrespected and hated on us for fist bumping? Now all the whiteboys do it

Damn it's a shame that we have to defend being the creators of Hip Hop. As a matter of fact we have to defend everything we created even building America

That's what happens when you don't own nor control your art 👍

Personally, the concern I have is this: As a whole, and even musically speaking, the talented Black - Richly Melanated global community covers all planetary continents & countries; from Africa to Middle East; from Switzerland to Sweden; from Venezuela to Brazil; from Barbados to Jamaica; from Australia to Papua New Guinea & etc... That said, likely the majority of the said 'Hip-Hop' musical input did indeed stem from those of the Black Diaspora; yet, being that music is a universal language, likely there also was some input (influence) from Asians, Mestizos as well other racial stocks. In the end, (especially whereas one may be Black North American, Black South American, Black African, Black European, Black Caribbean, Black Australoid, Black Pacific Islander & etc...) what's important is for the Black Diaspora to recognize their overall musical input while simultaneously also recognizing that music is indeed universal, for and from all people. Thus, the argument seemingly is futile.

Even though Lord Jamar was NOT a "founder"? 🤔

@@Mr._Moderate yup even tho

@@Conscious_Pookie_Tee2.7 just because you agree with him does NOT mean his take is correct. How do you know he is therefore "needed"?

@Mr._Moderate his attitude is needed, the way his unapologetic nature and devotion to his truth is needed. The way he offered to sit down without hate and handle a situation without physical violence is dope to me.. Idc what you think homie. A mf like Lord Jamar is needed in this fucc up thing "we call a culture"

@@Conscious_Pookie_Tee2.7 If he disagreed with you you'd insult him though? 🤔

Sad but true real talk

Facts!

they have nothing we wanna mess with. absolutely nothing

@@alphabright9138 I won’t argue

Na double edge sword

Thank you sir

@@jayshah9967 🤜🏾🤛🏾

You a fool bwoy. Hip hop and rap is 2 different things homie. If you talking about rap, some people say thank Dr Seuss and Shakespeare for that. Hip hop music different from rap, in how the music is produce, rapping on the version.

Righteous!

Salute for telling the truth. I’m a few years younger than you.

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💯🫡 and I’m Puerto Rican and I been knowing that

No Jamaican is claiming hip hop; a genre that promotes nothing but death, degeneracy and self destruction. Grow up 😅

Who is "we"? In theory, does that also mean you to take 100% of the responsibility too? 🤔

"Krs has Latino and Jamaican friend he doesn't want to alienate." Listen to yourself. Wouldn't that imply that he knows them to have influence Hip HOP along side him? What if they influenced HIM? IN addition what part of the Black diaspora are YOU from making you think your blackness is more valid than that of a Jamaican or Puerto Rican? You havne't learned anything from Hip HOp as a lifestyle which is What it is. The music reflects the culture . Not vice versa. IF the former were the case then trap and drill would be Hip HOp and it isn't Hip Hop is made so you can LIVE. The Industry wants to fool you into an early death.

⁠hip hop was before him which nullifies all that BS you spit🪑🪑

@@lesserlight We have receipts but all you tethers have is hurt feelings. Leeches can't live once their blood supply is cut off. We are exposing you vampires.

@@user-sv8dv2gl8e Hip hops was before you immigrants arrive. You can't find no Rican influences in hip hop because none exist. You came over here and like vampires latched on to our culture. Now you want to claim it as your own. You can't shine on your own creations so hey I understand why.

What's understood doesn't have to be explained

That's because no one ever said this until recent times

Who would proudly claim hip hop culture tho ?

@@blacklight3596 Evidently people who have no claim to it.

⁠@@The11thchapter the replacement is serious 🧐& ppl putting capes on for others who identify white & take, & take & treatment from all democratic shields make it no better… our FBA lineage is very serious? It’s just jealous hearted ppl really think 💭 it’s their shit, but no 👎🏿 stop ✋🏿& make ur own blueprint stay out of the real black footprint 👣 settings 🛑

Facts. That’s why we have to hit the hoods in our Community and give them the game. Once our people can truly understand, they will get on Code. Can’t be on Code if I don’t know what u see, know. Inform them on reparations, the financial system, immigration etc. They will be on Coded. MLK and THE Panthers did the same thing. They had the info. And Put they people on what was going on, then the strategy came cause now everyone is on Coded. Grass Roots at its Finest. Lets Finish what MLK Started with The Reparations. In 1968 He Said we coming to get OUR Check.”….. Must Get On Code. 🖤🗣

FACTZ!

Right. These 🇯🇲 and 🇵🇷 are very delusional. Til this day their music sucks and they can't even rap or rhyme for shit but they really believe that they helped create hip hop. I never ever in my life heard any FBA household play Jamaican or Puerto Rican music. We never got any of our style or influence from them but they get all of their style and influence from Foundational Black Americans. They had to take on our culture to be seen as "cool".

1. There is no "all of a sudden". People are a product of their environment. 2. If you were born and raised in New York you would know that New York is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. To this day neighborhoods of all kinds of black people reside there 3. "Kumbaya" was attempted in Oregon and Levittown maybe a few other places 👍

Nobody in Jamaica is claiming to originate hip hop (Yall silly to believe well thinking people would want to claim a genre that promotes nothing but self destruction and degeneracy 😅) Grow up and stop being ridiculed by others you think are laughing with you 😅

Reggaetons origins can be traced to Panama, P.E.A.C.E. Positive Education Always Corrects Errors

Of course they do cos its based on a popular Jamaican instrumental from the late 80s popularised by Jamaican artist shabba ranks hit song (dem bow). Search it on KZfaq and you'll hear the original Jamaican instrumental.

​@@malcolmguevara5990 😂 are yall prepared to lie about everything at this point??

@@mikerageous1Reggaeton was created by the Panamanians and the PR stole it.

The musical part of hip hop took music from all over the world in the begining in ng..of course soul and rnb was a heavy influence..but so was Caribbean..brazilian.african and music from the whole world...hip hop literally samples music from around the planet

@@kingstonson9627because they where digging for records 😂😂 you take what you can out of the bargains and get shit popping. However notice when we started uses our people music how the genre took off 😂😂

Hip Hop took break beats from American artists first fuck what y'all talking bout

⁠​⁠@@kingstonson9627Caribbean, Brazilian and African music in no way shape or form heavily influenced hip hop, particularly in its inception and does not heavily influence it now. Early hip hop artists clearly point out James Brown and his music not only as the primary influence but also as the primary inspiration. Hip Hop is a Black American cultural construct, that is why it emerged exclusively on U.S. soil not Caribbean, Latin or African soil.

@@kingstonson9627 That wasn’t Hip Hop, that was Disco tech, the sound that fueled Hip Hop’s existence was an American sound(s)

Facts. I'm 55 and from Castle Hill-Soundview. The gang truce occurred in Dec 71. That didn't mean It was love in the streets. It just meant no more gang warfare. Those same Borica former gang members still wouldn't go to a party full of Blacks. Forget trying to breakdance or rap, they were trying to get home safe in one piece. It's no different than the Latin Kings mindset in Rikers. You think they are going to a Zulu Nation Party? 😄 People romanticize Hip Hop and the grimy gang infested South Bronx for their own selfish reasons. The Bronx had over 100 gangs in the Seventies. Check out the documentary' Rubble Kings" and then you will see why there weren't too many Puerto Ricans in the early days of Hip Hop. It took the younger generation of Borica's. Crazy Legs age who weren't former gang members. They had the freedom to go to another neighborhood without the fear of getting attacked by a gang. Crazy Legs is 58 years old. Bambatta and Herc are at least 10 years older. Puerto Ricans back then were closer to Hells Angels. They had denim and leather biker jackets and they listened to Salsa music. I heard alot of Tito Puente growing up.😁

@@rotweilerscholar1181they’ve always been white boys whipping boys. Only reason they had proximity to us is because welcomed and allowed them to participate in our shit

What’s the name of the documentary?

Crazy leg from don't be a menace?

that snow head 😂

Str8t Facts and underrated observation!! 💯

When you say language are you referring to English? The European invented language?.. what is the first n most relevant thing a race or group of ppl invent? Language.. even the native Americans have their own language that was almost completely stripped from them but the strength n belief in their culture is why a lot of them are currently learning that language.. the language, technology, business models hip-hop was created with n grew with is all european or at least foreign.. thing is when this debate comes up ppl only scratch the surface of what culture is.. dive deeper into culture n history. even the native Americans that witnessed Caucasians as once immigrants that overpowered them, understand that they can't completely eradicate their original language because once that happens, You could possibly lose your identity or respect as a ppl..

Good point and commonsense

James Brown was used for Breaks in Hip Hop. He isn't Hip Hop. If you say he is then in the same vien so is El Gran Combo and Willie Colon and no one is saying that either. Plus if you did attend a Puerto Rican parade youd see Puerto Ricans Darker than you who if the wren't there and could have a convo in English...think about that...with you , you would never quetion how "Black" they are. This is such a RIDICULOUS NON argument. NO Puerto Rican said or has said that this isn't a African Form of Music.

​@@damonclark5742I'll ask you a question only your integrity can answer... Does James Brown "dominate" with young black America today? 🤔

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@The-Lard310 I remember them playing dance to the dummers beat. You know what I’m talking about?

​@The-Lard310 yeah let's not act like pr wasn't calling hip hop moreno music in the beginning

KRS 1 is from Brooklyn. He wouldn't know. His ties to the Bronx came through the homeless shelter where he met Scott in the eighties. That's why he gets his facts wrong talking about how Bam named the Zulu Nation. He said Bambatta went on a school trip to Africa. It's not the first time he is wrong nor will it be the last time.

Dam I’m glad somebody points this out I have been saying this forever he isn’t even from the Bronx he claims the Bronx but he is actually from BK and have been wrong about so much about this history of Black Americans so yes he will be wrong about Alot because he doesn’t come from Black Americans bloodlines so it is in his interest to push this false narrative!

What is an FBA?

The Bronx was not segregated like Mississippi. Blk people didn't allow others to enter its because they lived in the same buildings. New York is not Mississippi or Alabama with that southern segregated mentality. That segregated mentality was NEVER a part of Hip Hop until Blk people from the south got their chance in Hip Hop, now they bringing that "FBA" segregated southern vibe into Hip Hop which us 100% wack!

@@LibraYall Blacks can do whatever we want with what "Our People Created." In fact, I believe it would be better if hip-hop was segregated since so many other racial groups are trying to take credit for developing it when they had absolutely nothing to do with it.

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They steal everything from blk people & lie & say they invented it … This has been going on for centuries and it’s gotten so blatant that they just doing it with Hard proof that they’re lying.

Not always. I share your disappointment though. Lord Jamar knows better than this.

Blame that on the people that like to keep pushing lies and myths, even when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary

You mean Nicholas Brothers

The MIlls brothers? The were a Vocal group. Not a dance group. YOu probably meant the Nichols brothers. Tap dancing included they were very acrobatic but it wasn't Hip HOp. This watery form of arguement does NOT work. Hip HOP created NONE of the elements. There were forms of these things IN and OUT Of the African American communites. Did Africans start Dj'ing? did they even come up with the names? Tagging existed OUTSIDE of Hip HOP. It was members of HIP HOP who brought these elements (these two being the foundation) to Hip HOP. So Hip HOp can be said to have elements that aren't African IN IT. That doesn't stop it from having a MUSICAL form of expression which isnt authentically Black or African. This being said the argument about Puerto Rican influence is no arguement. We influenced it and gues what? 50 years of doing this and this is the FIRST time this idea has been promoted as something valid. I have NEVER heard a Puerto Rican claim Hip HOP is anything but a African form of music. PLUS this may be a good time to actually study the Puerto Rican culture because people are trying to imply it isn't an African influenced and African descended population but nothing can be futher from the truth.

@@lesserlight They had the Lindy Hop in 1930 look up the definition for Hop in Dance in the 30s . Also look up meaning of Hip in the 1930s . Hip and Hop is at least a 100 years old. Most people don't know the meaning of Hip and Hop . But our young people got it in their DNA FROM our Ancestors

No He isn't and the fact you cant see it isn't impressive.

@The-Lard310 This is no different then modern day sampling. This has nothing to do with Latino, or German culture...I know who Kraftwerk is. They was fire...what your more talking about the music from other culture as was used. But not their culture..

Hip Hop started with the MUSIC? NO it didn't. It started with a form of playing music that ALL kinds of people came and listened to ..mainly R and B. Hip Hop is a culture with a form of music that reflects the culture. That it is just music is what the music industry proports and the music industry is where Hip Hop goes to DIE. They don't believe in Hip HOp and the artists are just tools to make money who can barely control their image in the smallest amount of cases. In the others they cant. So Hip Hop is OUTSIDE the industry. Within the industry these execs work with Cointelpro. In addition ..why don't you tell Tony Toca he didn't have anything to do with Hip HOP. or the Dj from mantronix, Bro. please stop. History says differently and Lord Jamal with THIS argument is leading alot of people astray. It isn't right and how he is explaining it is not how it went down. Puerto Rican have never claimed it wasnt an African form of Music. He is conflating that with the ORIGINAL argument which is whether Puerto Ricans influenced Hip Hop and the answer to that is yes. To get a no he has to rephrase the statement and conflate the argument. Hip Hop brings people together bro. Punk Rock and Hip HOP were even side by side by the time Rappers Delight dropped. Blondie never claimed it wasn't a Black form of music either. NO ONE did and NO one is other than cat's arguing for no reason or who don't understand what the African Diaspora is.

@lesserlight Bro no disrespect, but what the hell are you talking about!!??? First, it's Lord Jamar...please. No one is saying Ricans, Jamaicans, chinese, African even whites did play a part in the growth and evolution of hip hop. Maybe your late to the conversation...The argument is simply that black American culture birth hip hop. And that no other culture, now listen...culture influenced it. Not that Ricans didn't participate. But they participate in Black culture...thats it. Thats all...most if not all you said had nothing to do with the conversation. Respectfully...

Puerto Ricans even came after black Americans with Graffiti and Breakdancing too

@jayshah9967 Your wrong...completely, infact you couldn't be more wrong.

Not sure about that. This is nothing but division. I've said it above but no Puerto Rican has ever said this was a Puerto Rican form of Music. In addition He was clearly wrong in stating that Hip Hop is just Dj's and emcees. He also said cats used to do the Wop. Now that wasn't a Hip Hop dance and cats didn't battle to that. We popped or breakdanced. and it was a Battle. Emcing came LAST. PLUS it was designed to BIG UP the DJ not to big up self which in all fairness, Brand Nubian did so revising history on his part is not a debate tool which is appropriate or acceptable. That is INDUSTRY projection. So no...right now this isn't gatekeeping. This is just riffing and division. Hip HOP unifies.

I'm from Soundview. RIP Chuck Freeze from the Jazzy 5. Soundview is Black Spades and Zulu Nation territory. It's been that way since the 60's. RIP Michael Wayne from Bronxdale. He gave me the okay to do a Black Spades film before the Afrika Bambatta revelations. I have been getting it in the mud with Puerto Ricans in the BX since 77 as a 8 yr old shorty. I even have ties to San Juan and love their food. I can remember a time when Puerto Rican's didn't dress like us. This is before they started going to Jew Man on Simpson Street. My mans joked how they would end every sentence with "B" like "hey what's up B". They wore leather skinny ties and wore cheap suede boots that looked like UGGS and they wore cheap shoes from Southern Blvd. They also had their own clubs and music. Google "TKA Music Group"😄😄😄. I played basketball with Angel. The early eighties is when they made their mark. Rock Steady and the NYC breakers are some of the early pioneers. Just look at the documentary "Wild Style" and you will see the truth.

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Nah my boy BX is different than anywhere else across the country. Puerto Ricans was also members of the Spades and Zulu Nation. I don't have any problems saying rapping started by American black people same as Jazz music, Rock & Roll, and changing the entire music scene for decades at a time. The contribution to American music is crazy. Instead of arguing who made hip hop the narrative should be let's preserve hip hop in its original form not to celebrate the genocide of people. I'm Puerto Rican grew up in the BX during the 80's. The question was who's the best rapper Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap or Rakim. That argument would cause fights. I rolled with the 18th letter we ain't have one until Big Pun. Who you think Pun idolized? Kool G Rap. G Rap said he loved Pun and said that many times.

@@stackmosayless-1669 Let's talk facts. Can you name names? Michael Wayne TV is a Black Spades Channel that references the Black Spades extensive history in Bronxdale and Soundview. They also speak on the DJ Mario days. Chuck Freeze from Soundview and a member of the Jazzy Five was the older head I looked up to. The earliest Borica's are Ruby Dee and Whipper Whip. Latino's are so disconnected from the history they never acknowledge their OG's. If a Borica can really face the truth, Whipper Whip and Ruby Dee would have been given their flowers.

@@stackmosayless-1669 Pun is from Academy Gardens in Soundview and had a great relationship with Blacks unlike Fat Joe. I knew Pun when he was 15 year old Chris Rios who worked at Bob's Pizza Shop on Cozy Korner. Pun is the one who introduced Remy Ma to Joe. He also was tight with Sunkist and Minnesota the producer from Money Boss players. Sunkist is the Half Dominican/Half Black guy who had a fair one with Fat Joe.

We've been saying this. But, it's all about who people like. Been said for many years, now alot of tethers time is up. Go back and build up this culture where you comr from. 🇺🇸🏹Only

I’m from Harlem & that’s not true B.

So what makes you more Black than every other Black in the diaspora especially since you aren't connected to them? Make it make sense. There is no such thing as an FbA. The foundation was set by Africans.

I b thinking the same thing, to cause confusion, that how they do

He a Mason

Krs is relying it how it happened. YOU and others are the ones acting like you don't see what you are seeing or don't know what you learned about the African Diaspora as a whole. This is a foolish arguement that is doing NOTHING but dividing Blacks along IMAGINARY non connected lines. IN addition it is a distraction from the many Revolutions going on pertinent to us as a people. There are Black Puerto Ricans who were there and just didn't call you Carlos. I was one of them. This arguement is baseles because it started out as did Puerto Ricans contribute to Hip Hop and as History shows the answer is yes. No Puerto Rican I have ever spoken to within or Without of my family EVER questioned whether this is an African form of Music. So he isn't sticking to topic and only causing division, confusion, and non sense in the name of clicks and views. That isn't Hip Hop. That's Revision and counter intelligence.

EXACTLY - real one’s know where they stole that name from and the music from that very same iconic song | B1 |⭐

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@@TheCodifiedNetwork what it is! 🎵🎶✊🏾

He said they were there at the beginning. That's pretty much saying they created it.

I was born and raised in Bushwick in 69 . I saw PR and Black people in the parks around 76 when hip hop first started . My experience was that blacks and Latinos were on the ground in the inception of hip hop . Black folks birthed hip hop, but Latinos were right there tagging & break dancing .. I WAS THERE !

​@@JohnWick-gl6mwjust say Jacking the style cuz that's all it was

​@@JohnWick-gl6mwwe planted the grass,yall mowed it....

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They why didnt it pop in Jamaica lyin sack of sh*t😂😂😂

The fact you stated that 2 weeks ago and these cats are on here with these ridiculous statements and comments shows the difference between someone who KNOWS self and someone who is willing to confuse those who don't. Puerto Ricans come darker than Krs and are American citizens. This is akin to a Cointelop on LJ's part. He is acting like he doesn't know this and I know he does. All conversations like this do is cause division.

​@@lesserlight ​What statements are ridiculous? That hip hop was created by black people? That's a fact.....I'm from the Eastside of Harlem aka "Spanish Harlem" and grew up with blacks and Puerto Ricans. Although some were good to black people, the majority of them hated us, it wasn't us who hated them so don't get it twisted. They came with the hate. Yall are guests in hip hop so deal with it. We don't try to claim nothing of Hispanics. Its laughable that this is even a convo.

He said himself he was Americanized and influenced by what we were already doing. He participated. These are his words, not mine.

@@user-dh5rb4xi7t He’s not going to be able to deny his parentage and the influence his parents culture had on him. I am Jamaican and we have heard musicians talk about our influence in hip hop but the same can be said about your music and its influence on our music genres too. There will never be a rapper that has the type of impact of a Bob Marley so we don’t even need to claim any influence in the origin or creation of hip hop. Hip hop is just as despicable as Dancehall music here; those genres really about the destruction of our people so you guys can have that.

@@blacklight3596YOU SOUND STUPID! NAME THE JAMAICAN INFLUENCE IN HIP HOP! SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP BOB MARLEY, YOU CAN GO ON KZfaq AND SEE WHERE HE SAYS OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO REPLICATE THE MOTOWN SOUND! DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIRD WORLD ISLANDERS INFLUENCED BLACK AMERICANS?! FOH!!

@@blacklight3596YOUR WHOLE ISLAND IS DESPICABLE! WHY DONT YOU CLEAN IT UP AND STOP FLEEING TO AMERICA AND BRITAIN?

⁠​⁠​⁠@@blacklight3596 And what influence did his parents culture have on him? More importantly, influence that could have been infused into what he was doing in the BX that the masses had followed... Influence isn’t this ominous thing where vague statements can make anyone who thinks critically kneel at the feet of perception, bcus perception is feelings not facts. And influence among the two groups in questions wasn’t equal and opposite or to the same degree … There doesn’t need to be a rapper as big as Bob Marley when he wasn’t a rapper or DeeJay, Marley isn’t bigger or more impactful than a multitude of musicians and artist from Blues to Soul and Funk. Dancehall is no where near Hip Hop’s level of popularity and Marley and Dancehall certainly arent more impactful than the musical style itself. So that comment doesn’t make much sense outside shifting for perception re feelings

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They are alive, ALIVE and WELL, also in the "Microphone Check" documentary. Thank God they are still alive because outsiders is trying to pull a blanket over FBA eyes. We know better.

Thank you and that's what they hoping and probably praying for. Research your and their histories​@@user-dh5rb4xi7t

Lamar doesn't need to be mad he will be ok once he accepts the truth.

Whatever you trying to say FBA’s created Hip Hop….PERIOD END OF THE STORY‼️‼️‼️