Islam is not a shonen🤣

Lol

Haha!

Shafiq Sha we confuse ourselves if we dont face the facts

@@Yassine_98 it does have harems though

yeah I was thinking the same. It would then not only be a muslim conspiracy but a christian one as well. Why in the universe would they do that?

Arabia Petraea was a vassal kingdom of Byzantine ruled by Ghassanid, a Nestorian believers dynasty

@Siraj Haq your thinking is foolish and without credential value if it lacks the evidence and contradict the truth

Yes

@Siraj Haq Qureshis was a north arabian tribe , north arabians go back to a man called Adnan who lived in the time of Jesus , and the name Adnan was very common in the nabataeans civilization i think after the destruction of the nabataeans kingdom by the romans in 100 AD , many tribes migrated to Hijaz one of them was Qureshis that migrated to Mecca the Nabataeans were the descendants of Ishmael so no contradiction with the fact that the prophet is a descandant from Ishmael

lol, muhamed worshipers are irreligious people and you are a funny bot

@@worfoz "Pray to Muhammad" Lol yeah yeah lol false god jesus you never met a muslim dont you

@@AryaputraGemilang No, muslims do not exist anymore. Muhamedans pray to muhamed and hois associate alla, like the innovation shahada tels them Islam is about Isa´s God, muhamedansism is about muhameds alla. Jesus is the real god of 2.5 billion christians, you hate that, but I respect religions

@John Xina You know, it is really a good idea to just shut up when you don't know anything.

😂😂😂😂 he is lying in a diplomatic way

Dan Gibson investigated the early mosques and their foundation.

@monotfrommeccamonotfrommec1520 similar scenario to what it is now. A lot of mosques were built on the location of existing buildings. It was easier to convert an existing building than raze it and re build it. The Hagia Sofia is a prime example.

This is seen in places like the Hagia Sophia as well. In any case, many original mosques in Islamic lands aren't even fully oriented to Mecca. Premodern astronomical technique was good but not always perfect but has been resolved by aligning the prayer rugs with Mecca even if it makes the orientation within the building somewhat awkward.

@@adnaanu the Hagia Sophia verdict changed everything for Turkey 😂the almighty made nice turkey roast of turkey,, it was a joy.

@monotfrommeccamonotfrommec1520 not sure what you are referring to? What is the Hagia Sofia verdict?

I'm also an atheist, however, do not feel the same. Have you read the Quran, what do you think of 98:6, 9:5 or 9:29? Why should one respect a book that says such things against others?

Thanks I like atheists like you

@@theastronomer5800 context is a thing

@@theastronomer5800 You know, one day, you should grab a translation of the Quran and read it contextually, from beginning to the end. Instead of cherry picking verses that are part of a larger conversation and the point that the sura or that part of the sura is trying to make. None of the verses in their proper context say, what you think they are saying.

@@mrweirdguy5249 Of course, and I have three translations at home and have read the Quran twice, along with many hadiths and tafsir. Have you read what Ibn Kathir for example has to say about 9:5 and 9:29? The context seems rather clear to me.

Shafiq Sha noo noo we confuse ourselves with ignorance and close minds ! Thats our problem azhab 50 explain it to me plz in quran

The way muslims pray even that isnt in quran ! Who made it up we sont even know , probably the non muslim arabs way of praying! Allah is the same word as well !

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE back box? It's called the kaaba

@@cemasikoglu9597 trying to b funny eh....?

Eerie Von no your just writing to write something answer me with knowledge so we can discuss

Shame.

@@expressdotpc-on you😂🫵🏻

also a big mistake he made. Alexandrias books were not burned by muslims. It was by the christians. The muslim made great findings of the second great library in Persia when they conquered it. He totally flipped the history. the christians were having a war struggling to hold Rome when they burned the library saying they only need the bible, now he's saying the muslims did it. (check Dr.Roy Casandra's research for details) Im not trying to hate on any religion, just simply stating arguments and facts that were misinterpreted and altered.

@@fahmeedamohammad217 I was not aware that he thought Muslims burned Alexandria WHAT? No way is Dan reliable, this video proves that and also many other points such as battles fought around Mecca, and with graves, that date back to the prophet (PBUH) time.

Dan Gibson's theory can be easily disproved because he makes a lot of assumptions to fill in the gaps and TRY to reason with them. But mainly he fails because he has poor knowledge of hadiths and gets many references to be outright false. An arabic youtuber (who speaks english) refuted almost everything about his theory. From the hadiths he misinterpreted or got wrong, to the Qibla argument among others. kzfaq.info/sun/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_

@@AFGsultanZ Check my reply above, it will help toy greatly.

@@silentbyte196 I will look into it 🙏

The Byzantines make no mention of the religion of the Arabs. There is a Byzantine document saying Mecca was in Arabia Patrea. So yes they mention Petra

They tried everything. Even made up strange idea such as Prophet Muhammad was trained by church. Lmao

@@wamulyati3605 🤣 they’re literally stupid

@@RedWolf75 can u provide a link or source to that document u claim? or are u just spewing nonsense?

@@RedWolf75 The suggestion that it was Petra and not Mecca is still wrong. The Quran itself refers to the Nabateans of Petra and condemns them for their polytheism (Quran 15:80-83). Why would the Quran refer to the Nabateans as a different community than the Quraish? It's because they are different.

@dorderre with more followers comes more responsibility...

WELL, ITS ALL THE MAGIC OF ARAB MONEY! IT DOES WONDERS!! 😄😄😄😆😆😆😁😁😁😎😎

So in Indonesia

Become non muslim leave islam don't believe in child rapist Muhammed ✌️🪓🪓🪓🪓🕋🕋🕋

lol I find it funny that non-muslims find this misdirected qibla as "suspicious" and try to creates controversy over it, when us muslims are so accustomed to find carpets that set up at odd angle against the wall because the mosque was built in wrong direction.

Yes but early mosques analized by Gipson that pointed to the same spot(petra) that is not random. And that is the point and mistery of the research. Not that some face in other direction but that a group of early mosques faces petra. Why?

Memang dah ada pembuktian kaabah sebenar di petra

Dan Gibson is a Christian Romans 3:7 - The New International Version (NIV) 7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”

If you were conflicted and confused by Dan Gibson then I'm afraid you have very weak iman. How about you learn about your deen from Islamic scholars instead of shayateen

@GTGforever turn to Allah now as Jesus did and all the prophets before it's too late

@GTGforever seriously stop embarrassing yourself and STFU. Lying to yourself is a mental illness

Ok, that's fine but what he quickly glossed over is the fact that Dan Gibson went and did the research in person and no one else has he says it's because 'it's not important' but it's because no one dares question Islam. If you know anything about any of the research into this this documentary is worthless at best. He's just using anecdotal information to deny it. Most likely he is an arab Muslim and to them their religion is 100% pure from start to finish zero mistakes and they could never admit they were wrong. He is wrong, I'm pretty certain of that. Dan Gibson isn't an anti Muslim, quite the opposite he loves Islam and the arab countries almost more than anyone I've seen from the west. He would have loved to verify Mecca if his research would have permitted. He is just a historian.

mosques in islamic spain also did this. apparently they held on the opinion that the general direction of prayer was sufficient to make the prayer valid instead if actually facing it

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allah is the east and west so quran says dont border about directions, god is everywhere, you dont earn something in positioning your body in this or that direction...

Javanese Kejawen Hindu Suryaman chopping his penis and bowing to desert incestuous tribes! Shame shame

Perhaps

@@judicatorhurayth1927 The funny thing is actually a Flat Earther and Quranist Sam Gerrans actually believes in this Petra Theory 😂

That is the weirdest guy i ever seen!!!@@Saif_VAGABOND_Talpur

@@Saif_VAGABOND_Talpur what a fool

@@----f Who?

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

You're 100% right. For example, I'm a Christian, and I'm fascinated by Islamic history because I didn't learn much about it in school. I trust this guy a lot to give me an unbiased and genuine and scientific conclusion without letting his own religious views misguide his judgement.

@@shafiqsha9875 There is a refutation to this theory available on KZfaq kzfaq.info/sun/PLW1vycCEWR7EhexQWeJrw0701YITXjxZe I am not aware of any western leading scholar who has agreed with Dan Gibson's theory, but rather many have disagreed, primarily because he doesn't analise his sources and because he doesn't take into account how the early Muslims calculated the Qibla.

You are astounded much too easily!

@IIOO Im sorry what are you trying to say? I don’t understand

He has some liberal bias but that's fine

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE Masjidil Haram in Makkah was not the first mosque bro

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE ok

​@@bonar1211the first mosque was in Jerusalem.

@@Darkest_matter That's not correct. The first mosque was indeed in Makkah. "{Surely the first House ˹of worship˺ established for humanity is the one at Bakkah-a blessed sanctuary and a guide for ˹all˺ people.}" [Quran 3:96] (Bakkah is another name for Makkah)

@@thewanderer101sthere's the qibla then masjid in medinah Al munnawarah. They prayed towards Jerusalem, and then towards Mecca.

None. But petra does

​@@glennaraula6694no it doesn't. Have you seen Petra? It's a bunch of caves.

Additional objective information kzfaq.info/get/bejne/obejm9mTyammnpc.htmlsi=42XZNN2ZOrltfJWh

Although that he needs to assume a massive cover-up over a long time and a large and diverse area, with _all_ books mentioning an important fact being changed, should ring all the alarm bells that you can imagine. History doesn't work that way; if someone needs to claim something like that for their revolutionary new theory to work, you can usually bet that it's wrong.

@@varana yeah, I think Christians and Jews can use the same argument, how their books could be changed as muslins claim without anyone noticing it, and when that modification could have taken place..., But here we are talking about Islam, so I'm not bringing that here. I have my pros and cons, since the Muslim faith was relatively new and I don't know if in every corner of the empire people were well aware of all things,at least the common people those that weren't able to read arabic. But I'm not adamant about it.

This explanation is as bad as the explanation provided for why Mary is confused with Mary the sister of Aaron and Moses, and why the quran says that Jews consider Uzzair as the Son of God. It is called clutching for straws.

Actually a city in the North completing down plays how importantance the Hadj is. Your second point of rewriting history by later authors, draws into question the reliably of the recorded Quran.

tdwebste3 The Quran was supposedly revealed in 620, an entire Quran was discovered dating from 640 pretty much the same, twenty years is not a lot for the Quran to have been changed so much, and there have been Quran pages discovered at the time of Muhammad carbon dated back to his time, which are the same.

Agreed

m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fqyiZbR5lq7RZXU.html

m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNGHicafmMXKcp8.html

Well, dan gibsons theory is very good too, im convinced

@@braham_1137 kzfaq.info/sun/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Finally someone said it, I am an Arab too and noticed it myself

Yeah, u know that knowledge so speak up LOUDER bro, dont be shy.

Directions are determined by scientific approach not Arabic vowels 🤨🤨🤓🤓🤓

You can't change history, just as you can't say Mecca is the place of Adam and hundreds of prophets, whereas history never records that place existed before the 7th century. listen, there is not enough water source, there will be no civilization, period.

@@Martin-lv1xw for people who think earth is flat, it might

These "researchers" are explaining questions that nobody ever asked.

@Saad Bin Masud historical flaws?

@Saad Bin Masud you're free to publish your own scholarly works in that field, let's see your arguments and evidence.

@Saad Bin Masud Eww disgusting, go away.

@Saad Bin Masud Historical flaws like what ?! Can you give me examples

Arabs not muslims

you know the world is a globs right. so ultimately you would have been right. Just the longer way around lol.

The quran instructs us to pray anywere between the hemisphere which includes the qibla.

Taha Wasiq all muslims should face one direction but it has to be correct dont you think ?

@@shafiqsha9875 at this point you're just spamming the same thing on every comment. I dont think anything you say can be taken seriously

Yes bro exactly what I was tbinking

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

@OTTOMANS PEOPLE yeah ik only the sauds and some tribe in saudi Arabia are allowed to go inside

@Estex There are apps that tell you the directions. But as el muqqadima said, while qibla is vital, we usually tend to face a general direction that should technically make us face Mecca if I am in an unfamiliar environment. But for example, if you are in my home and ask me about qibla, I should know where it is since it is my home after all. Basically, it is the sense of direction that guides you.

@Estex what my school teach is muslim face mecca for praying but the actual kiblat is ur sincerity to face kiblat not the mecca itslef, mecca is kinda symbolization to help us show and rationalize our faith. I mean praying can take us at least a minute and many people more than 5 mnute, when praying on ship or plane we can't ask the captain to not making any directional change so we stay facing mecca

I have a question.... if you face the Kabah anywhere in the World and then turn backwards meaning the Kabah is in the back... You still face the Kabah technically...

@@CharDhue I mean you are metaphorically facing the place where god technically dwell but god dwells everywhere

Actually these missionary & atheists couldn't convince muslim. Now they are trying to confuse muslims with many things.

@@shafiqsha9875 There is a refutation to this theory available on KZfaq kzfaq.info/sun/PLW1vycCEWR7EhexQWeJrw0701YITXjxZe I am not aware of any western leading scholar who has agreed with Dan Gibson's theory, but rather many have disagreed, primarily because he doesn't analise his sources and because he doesn't take into account how the early Muslims calculated the Qibla.

@@TahaWasiq He said Muslim pray to Black stones. It said all about his knowledge about Islam.

@@shafiqsha9875 Virtually all of the western scholars, even the atheist ones disagree with Gibson. I just can't see a serious historian agreeing with such absurd theory

@Siraj Haq you make a pretty good point. Arabic was a backwater language just spoken amongst the Arabs who were tributaries of either the Byzantines or Persians, who know how much those dominant cultural influences seeped into the Arabs and therefore Islam unknowingly before the Islamization of Persia.

It's mostly conspiracy, it's the invite question paradox. There is no point in providing a sufficient answer when you will keep asking other questions its like talking with a kid.

Trust me, there were more than a few charlatans like Gibson who masquerade under the guise of academia but instead are missionaries

That's why you should look for professionals with no agenda to defend.

@@glasgowblackchigowski6117 Gibson spent over 25 yrs studying in arabia and living through it. don't tell me you know more about the culture than he does. u should credit him for doing what muslims r not doing at all: RESEARCH.

@@cuteawais Gibson's research is as good as my failed school project, there are countless other researchers other than him who are more competent and don't share his views at all, that's historically speaking. But if we come to faith, picking on myslims saying that they don't research their religion as much as the others do, that's big fat lie. Muslims are most knowledgeable about their religion more than any faith in the world, we know our religion inside and outside, unlike mr Gibson's faith that makes him a lot more biased in doing more speculations than real research.

@Saad Bin MasudI studied at Jesuit school, I know what I'm talking about

And many early islamic inscription flourish in Arabia.. And petra is very silent..

There is a masjid(mosque) in Makkah with a rock inscription slab dating back to the early 600s... I visited the masjid & i read the rock inscription.

@@yakmi1116 i don't know about that, but Hejaz is very flourish on islamic inscription..

@@ekadria-bo4962 because hejaz have huge mountains and big cities like in Taif & Thaqif & have large fertile cities oasis like Madina & it's close to Tihama & Yemen..... There's no doubt that nowadays Makkah is the same as the pre-islamic Makkah.

@@yakmi1116 there is no pre.-islamic makkah

can you show me where in the Quran mecca is described as green city?

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Where does Quran say that?? 👀

W r u lying dawg? Give the verse

Di Mekkah juga terdapat lembah hijau lol, namun bukan kota hijau, dan wilayah tersebut tumbuh tumbuhan selama musim dingin

In human record, there is one from 6th century. The charter of medina or medina treaty. There's also one from the beginning of time, the Quran 48:24

​@@wantrevize Ibn Ishaq's Sirah, supposed to be dated at early 8th century is the earliest source of the charter. But it is also lost writings, referenced by Ibn Hisham in the 9th century. Earliest attestable writing about the charter is then dated at 9th century. Same problem for the Abû 'Ubayda writings about the charter, referenced by Tabarî in the 10th century. How do you respond to that ?

So , tell me where is cave of Hira , cave of thaur in petra? How muslim goes to ethopia in first hejrat ?

The cave of Hira is mentioned in the new testament.

He didn't address any of the actual points of Gibson. Why do the mosques point towards Petra to within an error of only 2.9 degrees? Gibson's work is also supported by linguistic, epigraphic, numismatic and trade route studies over the last few decades - they all point to northern origins of Islam.

@@theastronomer5800 hmm. Good points. And given that Islam is highly influenced by Christianity and Judaism, it would not be surprising to have a Northern origin like the other two abrahamic faiths.

Regardless, just the fact that he's willing to explore this topic impresses me. Modern Muslim thinking is much too conservative, and this is on the border of sensitive as far as mainstream islamic topics go.

@@maisa5943 That is very true. I have seen too many Muslims dismiss any historical evidence as soon as it contradicts their traditional narrative. I find the history very fascinating. Have you read the books by Dr. Puin and Dr. Ohlig by any chance, super interesting! (Early Islam, and The Hidden Origins of Islam). They contain many contributions by scholars in different fields. I find the early Islamic coins very interesting myself! Jay Smith did a decent survey of them if you're have never looked into them (he's a Christian apologists, so you can ignore the few times he talks about Jesus, but his historical summaries are good to listen to). Cheers!

Dan Gibson has 120+ videos on this subject, (=EXTENSIVE RESEARCH) now muslims are all about WISHFULL THINKING concerning the DEMOLISHING MISTAKES IN ISLAM, but they should realize a 10 minute video, is really not going to answer the EXISTING PROBLEMS in this case about PETRA/Mecca....do more research muslims, get your brains active

Petra's photos on my Twitter! ASAP!

Al Muqaddimah I sent some over! :)

@@AlMuqaddimahYT If you Don't answer me then I am gonna Stop watching your Videos,my question is that did Aurangzaib regret Killing his Brothers ? Because he must have known that doing so was a Major Sin in ISLAM! Hence did He or Did he Not????? Please do answer don't be rude and arrogant!!!!!

​@@AlMuqaddimahYTjahnam is calling brother

@Al Mudarabah wow a biased video you yourself uploaded

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Patreon.

Shia religion was created in the third Islamic century. 😏

@@Irfan--Khan Without lies Islam dies.

@@worfoz • That's your personal opinion. 😏

Do you know that the Qarmatians stole the Black Stone for thirty years and transported it to Al-Ahsa, which is east of Saudi Arabia, and then ordered the Arabs to go on pilgrimage to it? What do you think was the response of the Arabs? The Arabs ignored their demands and made a pilgrimage to Mecca because the land is holy, understand?

Lol, Mecca is in Mecca, not Petra, since the Prophet was born in Mecca, not Petra, the Quraish have always been the rulers of Mecca, and the Prophet migrated to the north (Medina), Medina is north of Mecca, not the south, And Petra was under Roman rule, while Mecca was a tribal city state

Lol, Mecca is in Mecca, not Petra, since the Prophet was born in Mecca, not Petra, the Quraish have always been the rulers of Mecca, and the Prophet migrated to the north (Medina), Medina is north of Mecca, not the south, And Petra was under Roman rule, while Mecca was a tribal city state

And when establishing the state of Medina, the Meccans always wanted to attack, until finally they lost, and entered the territory of the state of Medina, then they came into contact with the Romans on the northern border,

And when establishing the state of Medina, the Meccans always wanted to attack, until finally they lost, and entered the territory of the state of Medina, then they came into contact with the Romans on the northern border,

tkasih!

@@fnulnu6 Sama-sama!

Quran 2:177 ?

Interesting can you provide the source 🤔

@@umaryusuf537 "Diodorus Siculus writes about Arabia in his work Bibliotheca historica"

@@adamroodog1718 interesting I wonder what city he’s referring to coils be Petra could be something else we have way to know. Also I looked at Dan Gibsons claims and there are a lot of issues with a lot of his points from him Mis translating words to using fabricated sources to not being fully fair according to his own judgement. With that his claim isn’t strong enough and I don’t by the fact that Petra was the first Qibla. What do you think?

@@umaryusuf537 to tell you the truth umar i dont know and i dont know if anyone truely will know now after so much time. the qibla of the early mosques seems like there is something to it. what that something is again i dont know. the saudis remove anything we could learn about early islam like aisha's house, now a car park and public toilet, the graves of the companions of the prophet, the contents of the kaaba and they were even going to destroy the green mosque during the first gulf war. the cave of hira looks man made to me. especially the roof. the etymology of the word mecca is something like in phonecian is ruined, old arabic is santuary, and narrow, which also seems to fit with petra. in the koran there are alot of traders and merchants. i think its described as the mother of all cities with roads leading north south east and west. that doesnt really fit with mecca. if you were going to jedda for example you would have to leave the plateau go down into the desert to get to mecca and then up again to get back on the road to jedda. ive often thought that if i was islamic and was on the one haj of my poor life would i go to mecca or petra? my answer to myself was i would go to mecca but i would also visit petra just in case. haha. im sitting on the fence dan gibson may or may not be self serving, or blinded by what he has found or even just plain wrong. alot of people who do things like this focus on their discovery and then see it everywhere in everything. but he brings up enough questions that need answers whether he is wrong or not. im interested in the truth. im not religious and not trying to say islam is wrong, im just trying to understand a very interesting part of history. all religions i have studied have this period after the main man dies and before the rules of the religion are set that i find fascinating. budha for example didnt want anyone to pray to him. he wanted the people to focus on learning from his teachings. but people being people made him into a god. at his temples which are called a stupas they paint the face of budha but without ears so budha can never hear the people praying to him. christianity was for jews only until paul returned from corinth with money from the new converts. and now maybe mecca isnt where it is supposed to be. or the inscriptions on the al aqsa mosque dont appear anywhere in the koran, whats up with that. its just something i find really interesting i hope you and your family are happy and healthy and you had a wonderful eid with them recently best of luck adam

@@adamroodog1718 interesting analysis you have. Yeah Dan Gibson does bring up some interesting questions but as far as I’ve seen most have been answered there’s a 30 part series on KZfaq by a Muslim KZfaq who address many of Dans points I cab link it if your interested in watching it

He is dumb I have also watched his video,, complete ignorance

What about his arguments and evidences?

That why some orientalist said Islam is actually one of branch of christianity, and some said that created by some christian priest

Did Meccans frozen in time,did they just go extinct hahahah The owner of this channel is Syawish who is atheist one side ,islam another. so that explain this nonsense. Hadiths mentioned all the details of Mecca,if Petra is Mecca,where is Zam Zam Well? Where is Safa Marwah where the Hajar wife of Abraham were running up n down with Ishmael in her hands,wheres this and that valleys? If Petra is Mecca why are archaeologists all affirmed the library located outside Kaabah was a house that Muhammad was gave birth at,and theres measurements of his house size and companions house sizes and nothing like Petra. Islam has seperate history on Petra,not Muhammads history. Hadiths are made by chain.of narrators.individuals who had history of lying or such and narrates a hadith will make the chain weak.So we take the chains that are mostly of holy ppl.and individually judged by the community no biasness. Kaabah was damaged not destroyed. Sauds will smack this Paki Syawish who is torned between being athiest n muslim.and being a wack ass historian.

I feel like there is an incredibly modern assumption in thinking it would be noticed.

@@Kuudere-Kun exactly. Not many original muslims to begin. No many maps existed. Many muslims died in war etc. The. Petra got excinct by earthquakes, nobody lift there anymore. The stone had already been moved to Mekka...

Dan Gibson's hypothesis is very weak. i right away dumped it when I learned about it. The language spoken at Petra is Aramaic. If Dan Gibson is correct the earliest quran should have been in Aramaic. Yet the quran had always been written and recitated in Arabic - with the dialect of Mecca.

Avi lipkin did much better works than him ,he's a jewish anti islam

@@inongbalee3092 Who's Avi Lipkin? What are you talking about?

@@NP1066 he's a jewish anti Muslims just like I said ..he wrote the book return to Mecca... he did lots of academic research for this matter and its far more convincing than Gibson one ..such as who built the kaba,

@@inongbalee3092 You're presenting him as an anti-muslim and you expect me to like or be interested with what I'm hearing? That's a turn-off right away. As a Jew myself I'm against people who are anti-muslims. I wouldn't dedicate my studies to Islam if I didn't like and respect muslim people and Islam.

@@NP1066 my emphasis is even though hes an anti islam he still presenting reliable academic reports on his research which later he compile into a books ..his research started from moses exodus so it's cover Petra, though his conclusions are differ with muslim stand point but it's not an issue

This is 100% the truth...the pyramids are spot on and almost every monument from that era all point to the four corners. I know there are some that dont and are believed by some to be pre the current poles but that's another discussion but a lot of them are 99.9% accurate. It's obvious from the start that this kid already doesn't believe and he is just presenting the facts as laze fair as possible to make them seem insignificant. You can't have some fat old white man telling the entire arab community that they are wrong. I've seen the dan Gibson documentary at least 15 times because I am western Muslim and I think his evidence is near irrefutable. The big hang up is that in Islam they consider their religion 100% pure from the moment gibriel or gabriel first spoke to Muhammad until now they say their text is unchanged therefore it is the only pure word because christianity which they acknowledge in a positive way still falls short because the original texts of Jesus were destroyed. So I get the hesitation but for non arab muslims we are open to any new evidence because we aren't tied down to dogma.. Dan Gibson saying they pray towards the black rock is nothing but colloquial at best, it doesn't matter... the kabba and the rock are in the exact same place.. I stopped watching at 5 mins because I can't stand the dance when it's clear someone is biased from the start.. they did a satellite linked study that showed all of the kiblahs pre the big change in 673 to 750 point towards Petra, not Jerusalem, not Mecca but Petra and it makes 100% sense

So I further listened to about half way and this kid is just reaching. It's just a pure hit piece. I get it I guess but what a waste of time to just be wrong... you have to say to yourself you're wrong and prove that the wrong isn't right before you can go with your final conclusion. This young man obviously can't do that..

There are alot of mosques around the Islamic world that have only recently corrected their qiblah people made alot of mistakes back in the day and specifically at directions i don't know if you read history or not but it was common for travelers to find themselves in a completely different area than they wanted to go while still using those tools

​@@isseabdirahmanweheliye9010 So did all those early kiblas pointing to Petra precisely, make a mistake too? All of them made the same mistake? Obviously they knew the direction and it was Petra

@Port Sap no it's not

@@daddydrphil17yearsago26 says the guy that didnt live in Jordan.

lol this is really not new thing for muslims... even many recent mosques points toward the wrong direction...., you'll find many of them having a carpet lined up in odd angle against the wall because by the time the mosque were built people wrongly calculated the direction of kaba.

Nah there people that early Muslims were Christian

This Theory of Dan Gibson only works if according to him and his ilks Arabs removed the mentioning of Petra Qibla from their Islamic Sources!

Allah itself is an outcome of conspiracy theory

@@adwaitvedant3297 wot?

@@adwaitvedant3297 this then leaves the Arab Christians then in a real dilemma? 🤔

of course not - how could a real muslim think otherwise... lol

The hypothesis aims to explain why the early qiblas face towards Petra - that is an archaeological fact. How would you explain it? Gibson's work is well supported by many other researchers over the last few decades. Linguistic and epigraphic studies for example show the likely norther origins of the Quran, numismatic studies show that early Islamic coins were minted in Jordan and Syria for ~100 years after, none in Mecca/Medina. Trade route studies show that Mecca was not know as an important trade city and is not mentioned until after Muhammad

​@@theastronomer5800 Islamic history is only about 1400 years old. That's not very old in historical sense. It was well into the time when humanity has started keeping written history. So, the idea that the name and location of a city-A was changed to city-B (which is 1200 kms away from city-A) seems far-fetched. With thousands of pilgrims coming to the city every year, even since pre-islamic times, such a conspiracy is very hard to execute by anyone. Then there is the medina period during life-time of Prophet Muhammad. Prophet migrated to medina on foot, crossed the dessert in 8 days. Thats doable for 450kms, but is it for 1250kms? Then we have battles of Badr, Uhud, Trench etc. Where armies are coming from makkah, and medina to fight in between. On this hypothesis, the non-muslim armies would be coming from Petra. Note that by the time of Ummayads, Islam has already spread much farther than Arabian peninsula. Persian and Roman lands were also already captured much earlies. So muslims were coming every year to perform hajj from as far as India, to Morroco. So would be simply impossible for anyone to change a city and relocate kaaba in all historical written records, and oral traditions.

@@silveriorebelo8045because it is stupid, Dan Gibson claims that early mosques face Petra rather than Mecca. But he compares the mosque orientations with MODERN directions of Petra and Mecca. He does not realise that historical qibla directions cannot be the same as modern qibla directions. In fact, the easiest mosque orientations were not calculated at all, but relied on astronomical horizon phenomena, not least because the Kaaba itself is astronomically aligned.

Nonsense...

Its not really a cover up. The Hadith show at the time, it starts always pointing to mecca.

Also ....all the different Islamic sects and empires who hated each other would have never agreed to the location of Kaaba being in mecca if it wasn't true .........I just find it hard to believe for every muslim sect to agree with this alleged "cover up" of Islamic history lol

Why would it be a cover up during those days? They just pray to the black stone... The black stone move and so they move the direction of the praying.... Today, they have an issue with the Hajj that you want to be the location where Mohamed was. But it might be no important for them.

Great comment.

kzfaq.info/sun/PLEJMLhtoQWIRXK9o-hv6eyNXxUpEeb5X_ Also 2nd century Mecca The historic consensus in academic scholarship has long been that "Macoraba", the place mentioned in Arabia Felix by Claudius Ptolemy, is Mecca.[24] More recent study has questioned this association.[25] Many etymologies have been proposed: the traditional one is that it is derived from the Old South Arabian root M-K-R-B which means "temple".[25]

Detective o will made a really good playlist for all of this. You should check it out and you should watch all the videos as it goes in parts of course.

The burden of proof is upon you and not upon those who believe it’s Mecca. It is totally impossible for Gibsons ‘hypothesis’ to be true.

@@AaronHafeezGFX Actually, the burden of proof resides entirely with Islam. They are the ones making outrageous historical claims. Dan Gibson challenges that, and the muslims don't like being challenged.

watch the channel "sneakerscorner" it will open up ur mind about easily islamic history. gem of a channel

@@cuteawais lier propaganda christen machinery channel

@@izharehaq it gives u facts with proof. That’s all I need. If u don’t want to believe it that’s ur weakness. U can’t accept the truth

@@cuteawais Don’t speak about truth when you write ‘ur’ instead of ‘your’.

The direction matters but there is a 45 degree tolerance. And if you totally miscalculate it even if you did your best, that is also tolerated.

​@@attilaseyfullah8522 The kiblas pointing to Petra are precise, no 45 degree bs tolerance

@@SaintSkanderbegus you call aan who fakes being a Muslim for personal gain a saint. Your opinion has no value.

Sufi merchants!

9 sufis from two periods of times I believe, started from abbasid era

How Islam spread in middle east is based on tyranny of Ummayyad and Abbasid. The struggling to bring back as Rashiduum Caliphate is impossible and still today!

Macca =petra bacca=Jerusalem The kiss of truth is occupied Jerusalem now, . Where is the Sacred Mosque? Reading Surat Al-Baqarah knows the location of the Sacred Mosque in the city of Jerusalem. This is the secret of Palestine

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

I love him for that

@khairularchi You don't seem to understand that Mecca is a theory, just like Petra is theory. If Petra does not work, this does not mean Mecca works. Both can be non-starters. Mecca being the setting for many of the Qur'an's surahs is impossible. I don't accept the Petra thesis, and I certainly don't accept the Hijazi Mecca either. This video does absolutely no discussion of 7th century history.

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

This video, by Al Muqaddimah, is not relaying the full account by Dan Gibson. Al Muqaddimah knows that many people, mostly Muslims will not watch Dan Gibson's videos and so won't cross check what is in this video. So, I'll try to give a short (full) view of Dan Gibson........There are over 100 mosques that face either Petra or between Petra and Mecca. (Not just a few like this video claims) The mis-direction of qiblas has been 'known' to the 'West' since about 1820s by German historians and archaeologists. At the time was also the start of archaeology in Egypt. Many times the direction of the mosques have been shown and told to Dan Gibson by the mosque imam or other mosque officials. They have also been measured accurately by GPS co-ordinates. Hajjaj fearing the Gods, purposely pointed his built mosque between Petra and Mecca, as he wasn't sure which direction is best. The scared city of Petra, or the scared black stone, which was by then in Mecca. So it keep it 'fair' he pointed in-between, ie Wasit. Finding out directions between cities was known by many in the region and for many hundreds of years before islam. This how they were able to travel on old caravan routes. It wasn't Zubair who took the Black Stone to Mecca as this video claims, no, it was supporters of Zubair who took it to Mecca for 'safe keeping' in a area which was empty, far and difficult to get to. Zubair stayed behind in Petra to continue fighting, where he was eventually killed. Mecca is not on ancient maps, not because it was not of value to Romans, like this video claims. Al Muqaddimah, is really twisting the truths here. Maps were vitally important to old empires so they can find out what is there or not, and if its worth conquering. Hundreds of years before islam and even before the Romans, the ancient Greeks had already sent geographers around the south arabia region to understand what is there. Again there is no mention of Mecca. Also not by the Persians, Egyptians etc, even though its right on the door step. You'd think if people getting up once a year to travel, walk, all the way to Mecca, who acoording to islam would have been pagans, there'd be some sort of map? Or written account of people going there? But nothing. There are maps by ancient Greeks showing the smallest towns in south arabia, along the coast right into Yemen, but never Mecca? Why? If people had lived in Mecca before islam, then were are the graves of these peoples? There should be hundreds of graves going back hundreds, of years. But nothing. And why is there no archaeology from this region? Its a dry dessert area, so it should preserve artifacts very nicely, but again nothing. Why was the early quran written in a Northen dialect, which was in use in Petra and not the Southern dialect? Why is there a building with the Kabaa building shape in Petra? With the same dimensions that early islamic writer Al-Azraqi wrote about? And which the kabba in Mecca does not fit to?

Why tho ? Can you explain

@@rohitmore3133 Why what? Explain what? .......be specific.

@@tsbkzwct2474 why its absolutely hilarious ?

@@rohitmore3133 lol

Apparently it was. There was some theory suggests that Moses the great Prophet of Jew once visited Arabia, studied under Jethro and most likely visited the Becca (or Ka'bah)

The Egyptians were happy to chop of the faces of previous Pharaohs.ie why is there a later head on the older body of the Sphinx?

Hahaha sure buddy.

Dan is fool

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Average muslim when facts are presented to him...Quran changed as Qibla changed

​@@anandgupta4298the Qur'an isn't the bible

According to him he said Quran exaggerated Mecca in that it dint possess agricultural land if that’s exaggerated what else is

you are correct. Do you have some material I can read on about Changez changing things

I perfectly agree. The Islamic Golden Age ended due to a reason. Hopefully we can overcome that mistake and go back to reason. And that’s coming from a non-Muslim (me).

@Saad Bin Masud I know.

The Islamic "Golden Age" ended because of the crystallisation of Sunni Islam. The Islamic world cannot "go back to reason" as long as Sunni orthodoxy breathes. So one might ask, why was there an age of reason in Iraq and Persia for 300 years. Well, it is precisely because of how cosmopolitan the society and the intellectual classes were. People then and there could actually read Ancient Greek and Persian (and in the 8th/9th centuries, Sanskrit too!!). Islamic legal scholarship was more of a cottage industry, which in today's Near Eastern Studies scholarship is magnified beyond belief. Once the Ulema moved out of their cottage industry role to become the dominant side-kick or dominant full-stop institution in the Islamic world, reason and creativity and culture/arts were soon to die out. There is a serious contradiction in calling this Golden Age "Islamic" given that Islam (whatever Islam often means) played the most central role in extinguishing free thought.@@kekkek2852

​@paulthomas281 Did you learn about this 'end of reason with Sunni Islam' from E Michael Jones? If not where, as I'd like to learn more. Thanks

i'd suggest experiment to sail on the sea & use night stars during nights & sun ascensions during the day for navigation, just like the ancient folks did. See if the techniques proven to be accurate to determine directions. If the ancient folks didn't have good technique, i'd expect some masjid would face eskimo or antarctic then. But no. Their accuracies were not bad afterall.

@@JoeJoe-qy2bb Exactly!

I don't know if you read his book, because he spends about 30 pages talking about ancient navigation. This is the #1 issue that seems to come up - "they couldn't determine directions back then/had no GPS". This is silly, because we know from early Arabic history that they traveled great distances though the deserts with the caravans (before roads existed) and there are references in Arabic texts that describe the methods and equipment that they used (some tools can be seen in museums). The star compass for example was accurate to about 2 degrees, and the average errors of the Petra-facing mosques is 2.9 degrees. So, as you say, very persuasive. Furthermore, statistics! The standard deviation is 2.1 degrees and the error for these mosques to Mecca is over 20 degrees, which is 5 sigmas. If you look up the probability of trying to face Mecca but hitting Petra with a sigma of 2.1, it's about 1 in 3 million.

@@theastronomer5800 Wonderful! Thanks for the info. Honestly, I have not read his book. I just watched the documentary of Dr. Gibson.

@@markpagente3665 Oh, a part of his book with the supporting evidence is available online here if you'd like to check it out: www.almuslih.com/Library/Gibson,%20D%20-%20Supporting%20Evidence.pdf

Lol this is a lie. We have very old masjids dating back to the time of the Prophet. Search masjid al qiblatayn in somalia. 2 qibla since it used to be towards Jerusalem but got changed to Makkah during the prophets lifetime.

@@duckgoat7570 Thank you for attempted rightmakin. Article in wikipedia doesn't say how the mosque was dated. All I know is that there has been much deception since the very beginnin so, without bein an intensive scholar on the topic, I have no way to validate nor to invalidate any particular statement I am not interested to spend much time findin details, but would rather see a finished presentation by someone else. Therefore, without bein willin to spend the time, I cannot discuss it with you in a way that might bring, to you, satisfaction. However I will warn you against "conformism" (which is horizontal or social) versus actually askin "God" for the answer (vertical), which he promised that he will give if we ask.

Dan Gibson dedicated a lifetime to these discoveries. The more astonishing thing is that islamists in the middle age (or whatever period that was) decided to change facts, erase evidence and started to live by lies ... and they still do to this day. Apparently to avoid the pain of being wrong and deceived and lied to and telling lies for hundreds of years. But is that the reason for the violent nature of islam?

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

Did you not watch the video? It gives a perfect explanation as to why that is

Simply not true. Makkah is a valley and is surrounded by mountains. The extended city is mountainous. And Makkah is not carved

BRUH THERE IS A MOUNTAIN IN KABAAH LMAOOOO 💀💀💀💀💀

You have never been to Mecca, have you?

there is nothing ambiguous about the history of women's fashion in Europe Headscarves stopped being worn far before 1900s in certain regions of Europe

@@sabrina1380m The point stands that what is considered ”primitive, oppressive, and backwards” by the west has always been something they themselves instituted as well not long ago

Doesn't matter whether or not the majority is "aware" of it - there is ample evidence of the fact. The example you give is not the equivalent of a systematic erasure of evidence. The American south is a better example of a deliberate attempt to suppress and erase history, with their attempt to literally whitewash the civil war and make it about a noble cause rather than slavery. They literally did rewrite the history books - and yet the evidence still exists that the civil war wwas about slavery. So the idea that the history of Mecca being Petra could so totally be suppressed - no, I don't buy that.

@@sabrina1380m you are comparing a cultural behavior changing over a long time to religious fundamental position changing overnight and yet no one reacted to it how is that even possible? People were coming to hajj every year from all over the world and changing the position would be a point of interest for them no?

@@isseabdirahmanweheliye9010 anything can disappear from the mind of the people with enough doctrine and fear, e.g: Tiananmen Square, Japan’s atrocities in WWII

True but still , 1- muhammed united arabs and never faced mecca but petra 2- Allah is the name of biggest god before islam( arabs god) 3-There was never any sect of islam during muhammed These are the facts we must face !

@@cemasikoglu9597 2 & 3 are correct. 2 is correct not in the way you think of it. And 1 is just plain wrong. Before the qibla became the Kaba the qibla was Jerusalem like the Jews

Ezaz Ahmed thank you for the info but which mescit were facing jerusalem ?? Can you show me one?

@@cemasikoglu9597 there is literally a mosque called Masjid al-Qiblatayn where we believe the Prophet(S) was ordered to change the qibla during prayer time

@@cemasikoglu9597 you will find Allahs name in Torah and old testament in Hebrew

Actually these missionary & atheists couldn't convince muslim. Now they are trying to confuse muslims with many things.

@@shafiqsha9875 It´s called scientific hypothesis. That is how we inch closer and closer to truth

I always thought it was weird that the Bible describes Hagar settling with Prophet Ismael by a well in the desert. There are a group of people who live in the desert claiming to be descendants of prophet Ibrahim's son Ismael living by a well and celebrating finding the well, the Christians are like no way they are actually children of Ibrahim. its like the British admit to losing a colony in North America there are people in North America celebrating independence from Britain and you come to the conclusion that they do not know what they are doing they should be celebrating independence from China and this is a massive cover-up

What reference to local agriculture you speak of? As for the Kiblah, the video was polite. Muslims, other than the first 30 years, never really had just one unified state. There was always small areas out of control. And during the abbasid period, there were two simultaneous states with equal influence and power - facing the same kiblah. As for the actual direction, it is simple. People were guessing. Here’s a story, Our local masjid was built in 1990s, and sometime in the mid 2000s, some one brought a compass and we changed the Kiblah. This is very common. As a matter of fact, because in the Quran there’s a verse understating the important of precision in terms of facing the Kiblah, Muslims historically were content with just facing the general direction of hijaz, the region housing the Kabah.

On point 💯

SALaM, SHLAMa, SHLOMo, SHALoM, NAMASTe, PEACe. Quran [Last Testament]: 15:80-83 The people of the Rock also rejected the messengers. We gave them Our revelations, but they turned away from them. They used to carve homes in the mountains, feeling secure. But the Shout struck them in the morning. Petra The Nabataeans worshipped Arab gods and goddesses during the pre-Islamic era as well as a few of their deified kings... A stele dedicated to Qos-Allah 'Qos is Allah' or 'Qos the god', by Qosmilk (melech - king) is found at Petra. Qos is identifiable with Kaush (Qaush) the God of the older Edomites. The stele is horned and the seal from the Edomite Tawilan near Petra identified with Kaush displays a star and crescent, both consistent with a moon deity. It is conceivable that the latter could have resulted from trade with Harran. There is continuing debate about the nature of Qos (qaus - bow) who has been identified both with a hunting bow (hunting god) and a rainbow (weather god) although the crescent above the stele is also a bow. Nabatean inscriptions in Sinai and other places display widespread references to names including Allah, El and Allat (god and goddess), with regional references to al-Uzza, Baal and Manutu (Manat). Allat is also found in Sinai in South Arabian language. Allah occurs particularly as Garm-'allahi - god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi - 'gods covenant' (Greek Ausallos). We find both Shalm-lahi 'Allah is peace' and Shalm-allat, 'the peace of the goddess'. We also find Amat-allahi 'she-servant of god' and Halaf-llahi 'the successor of Allah'.

And where is there mention of MIRACULOUS zam zam well in quran...both cities had well ,.. petra had many more wells just as hadith and quran mentioned

​@@anandgupta4298 exactly. zam zam is not a source of evidence. as there is no mention for it in Quraan.

​@@anandgupta4298the safari Marwa mountains, which are in Mecca and not Petra.. the documented trade between Yemen. (More likely to be Mecca than Petra) And the fact that Muhammad (pbuh) went NORTH to medinah Al munnawarah, NOT SOUTH.

@@Darkest_matter safa maria? Which is not even the size of two storey building lol u call that a mountain...they were written to be so huge that it surrounded the city and there was a crack in it through which people used to pass...it is in petra dan gibson also explained this

@@Darkest_matter muslims are blind folded when someone gives literally each n every proof...petra is mecca is not theory its proven through all means i.e, archeology,scripture analysis,historical mentions,etc