I always thought that it was because of the degraded state he was in.

That was such a great dialogue

*sarcasm detected*

The old voice was great, but I honestly like this better. It sounds just as evil, but more broken and damaged. It fits really well

This is one is way better IMO. Old Hades' voice was alright but this? It's just _dripping_ with malevolence and hatred. The way he calls Aloy deluded, taunting her whereas old Hades simply spouted generic AI voice lines to "ELIMINATE THREAT. ENTITY MISCALCULATED" which is something Hephaestus would say more than Hades, given his more robotic nature.

Yeah. Plus it makes sense in Hades decrepit state?

Why did they change his voice? Not the VA, the audio affect put into the voice that made it sound so malevolent. It sounded closer to what it was during the focus recording of it and sylens than when aloy spoke with it.

Didn't even notice it lol I liked it

Wait, so he killed life 3 times already?

@@samcochran8203 yes.

@@samcochran8203 Yes, as he was supposed to. Gaia had to be cable of emotion to be intelligent enough to terraform the earth, but actually having emotion means attachment and love. As Travis Tate put it in the last game, Hades was meant to override Gaia's access to the system in order to give her a clean slate... and probably piss her off to do better haha.

or that Hades has to hide in this virtual desolate wasteland ... it's his "happy place"

He is Plankton when SpongeBob was helping people on the beach. “It’s too cute! It’s DISGUSTING!” “Neeeed Hatred.” Plankton and Hades would get along until Hades decides to destroy him along with everything else lol.

@@PrestigeLearning Hades is the ultimate Edge Lord in this series.

@@zerosorigin8387 I mean he was created for the purpose of ending all life so it makes sense

Aye, part of me wished the game would let us pick an option to pity HADES but he's such a petty asshole even when he's fading 😂

@@eventua8474 He used to be part of something good... I guess it counts for something.

@CrimsonCowl Really?

@@sf7376 Yeah it's a datapoint you find in Sylen's Horus Workshop, it's really funny.

@@theexurian1079 I scanned it but never red it. 🤣

Imagine Hades' voice coming out of a Reaper. Now that would make the player shit bricks.

Once again, this series is showing that it's effectively this generation's Mass Effect (blockbuster science fiction game with dialogue wheels and third-person gameplay about ancient AIs). And honestly? I'm here for it. Someone's gotta fill in the niche as BioWare has...not been doing so hot since 2016.

There's still that Hades backup in the place aloy got the Gaia backup right?

That's why Hephaestus exists

​@@noctemluxarmigerHephaestus doesn't want to eliminate humanity or other life, though. Just wants to stop them from killing the machines.

@@EclecticallyEccentric What I meant by, "That's what HEPHAESTUS was for", is that he was filling in the gap story wise that HADES was supposed to fill. With the whole unfeeling and focused on its task of being essentially GAIAS mind and it's subfunction it designated for itself i.e protecting the machines. But in a way HEPHAESTUS does want humanity to be culled to stop them from killing machines. So in a way it is kind of killing people and it is malicious in intent. I'd say it does want to kill people just not in a worldwide scale. It wants to kill enough people to deter anyone from harming the machines that keep them alive. HEPHAESTUS is also malicious towards Aloy and CYAN when they were in the Banuk territory in the Fobidden Wilds. HEPHAESTUS had no problem subjugating CYAN a weaker AI to It's will to get it's job done. HEPHAESTUS will kill anyone and anything that gets in it's way. It doesn't attack other smaller animals because they don't bother the machines. It's only humans. So as long as they don't do anything that will kill or severely damage the machines HEPHAESTUS feels indifferent or just flat out doesn't care about them. They don't pose a threat to him or his task. But like I said before I believe HEPHAESTUS aims to kill people. Because as CYAN states if even a few people stopped killing machines it wouldn't deter HEPHAESTUS one bit. It wouldn't care so it would continue to make more and more machines of a highly chatotic nature much like itself in it's currently deranged state-killing more people. So while HEPHAESTUS'S main goal isn't to kill people it surely has no problem doing it and will continue to even if everyone or almost everyone across the world stopped. Simple beause it doesn't care. That's why I think HEPHAESTUS wants to kill people and if everyone dies then so be it.

It’s not even completely Hades’ fault. He was literally built and programmed to be like this and the Signal that was sent by humans is what made him rogue to begin with.

@@zerosorigin8387 I agree imagine being a hollow of your former glory. I'm too forgiving and understanding. If your built to destroy then you destroy. Which literally was programed in him.

It could be that the original earth was biosphere v1.0 and then hades destroyed V2.0, V3,0 and V4.0 which makes the biosphere the games take place in be V5.0.

It's actually Anthony Ingruber, the guy who did Joker in the Batman Telltale game. But saying he's similar to Dee Bradley Baker's performance as Gravemind is actually quite a compliment, all things considered.

Eh, he still is responsible for the majority of shit in ZD, kicking off the Eclipse and such. And given the fact that includes the death of Rost, it's understandable she sees him as a threat and wants him dead. Dude has the wrong attitude for almost destroying the new world in the name of "I wanna know about de old world!"

Of filth

But why tho

He's my favourite character in the games. He's smug as hell, but he honestly has the right to be - he's smart as hell and was (probably) the first person to ever figure out why the world is in the state it's in. Without him, Aloy could have never succeeded in either game. He does it for selfish reasons, sure, but that doesn't make it less true. Heavy spoilers for FW ending: without him, Earth would have also been 100% wiped out by Nemesis, with no one even knowing it's coming. Because of him, they have a chance.

Unfortunately, no, Hades is not also voiced by Lance Reddick, as cool as that would be.

HADES was needed in the early stages of the terraforming process, incase GAIA produced a non-viable biosphere (this happened three times). It was vital that HADES reset her these times, otherwise life could have never happened properly; these resets prompted GAIA to do better the next times, and is the reason we have Earth as it is in the Horizon games. Once the biosphere is actually up and running in a functional state - which it is in the games - HADES is mostly redundant, as its function (killing everything) is suddenly detrimental, and not helpful. So no, apart from increasing GAIA's overall capabilities and intelligence, HADES is not needed anymore. Spoilers for the rest of the game ahead: the game also touches upon this by mentioning that Haephaestus is the most important function, since it's what brings the ideas/designs of aether, artemis, poseidon and demeter to fruition, to actually permanently have a good atmosphere. As such, in present Horizon, these are the most important functions when it comes to having a functioning earth with life on it. Then there's categories of the functions that minerva and hades fall into: if they didn't do their early work, none of the other things would even be possible. But once earth is up and running, they are no longer needed (although having them implemented DOES help a bit, by making GAIA's capabilities more advanced, which is also the reason we needed to find a function before being able to boot up GAIA). Then there's eleuthia, which already did its job - make sure humans are born. This happened, and again, apart from making Gaia overall smarter, it's no longer necessary. The biggest example that not all the functions are necessary is APOLLO. The version of GAIA that restored earth after zero day never even HAD apollo in it, but everything was completed either way. Apollo was immensely important for human society, but was almost useless when it came to actually re-creating earth (from a terraforming view). Having it, though, is very useful, but not a necessity. Although (going into heavy spoilers here if you haven't finished FW yet), Apollo, with the sheer amount of knowledge it has, might work as a sort of substitute to other functions if necessary, as Beta theorizes ways of permanently stabilizing the biosphere after their failure to capture haephaestus. I imagine its knowledge will also help them defeat Nemesis. Going back to your original question, though: If we assume GAIA never needs to create an atmosphere again, then no, HADES is not needed anymore. However, if you need her to recreate a biosphere again, you need to be insanely lucky and have her do it right the first time. Otherwise there's no failsafe (HADES) that lets her try again. Going into heavy spoilers again, this is also why the zeniths' plan was very risky. They only had one shot, with no way to try again without Hades. Though I guess they technically could try again, but on a different planet. The existence of the Instinction Signal also means it can be braodcast again at any time. As such, it's way too risky to re-implement HADES into GAIA again, even if they could - this is the reason they never even bothered trying to search for HADES in the early stages of reforming GAIA. Sorry for the long reply, I like this game's story too much.

That was the wreck of the Horus Titan. Hades per se is just Software, to interact with it Sylens needed to install it on something and since he found Hades in the core of such a Titan before he knew that was the best shot. The "Orb" Aloy finds Hades in is the part that Sylens removed from tat Horus to install Hades on it and while instructing Aloy on ow to build the Igniter to get rid of the Firegleam Sylens tells her that he used something like that to separate the orb from the Horus.